Posts by Melissa Rogers4

coastalwalker9 said:Quote : Mother of Pearl

You really ought to bring something along as a gift; you can't just show up empty-handed like that. 😁

Quote : Mother of Pearl

Honestly, looking back at what I just wrote, it reads more like a tiny little advertisement than anything else. 😁

Quote : Mother of Pearl

As for me, life feels incredibly peaceful right now. I honestly can’t see myself ever getting into a relationship... and let's not even get started on marriage, because that is simply not on my radar anymore.😁

It’s merely a placeholder until the right man comes along. 🙂

The woman is the prize, and the man should arrive with plenty to offer—her 🙂

Kids born out of wedlock?

Meeting someone truly special who changes everything just by being there... they bring a sense of magic and connection we never even knew we were missing.

hollowpuma762 said:I honestly don't see the point in these endless, vague tug-of-war debates. Especially when dealing with topics involving Philosophy and Spirituality, where most people aren't even interested in discovering anything new or grasping deep concepts. Instead, they just want to vent their own little impressions. They can't stay focused on the actual principles or the logic we've been discussing for ages. Every single time someone offers an input that doesn't align perfectly with their worldview, or asks for a deeper dive, they pivot immediately to "Me vs. You." It just turns into a circular, ego-driven shouting match about who's more enlightened or right.

There’s an ignore button for a reason. No need to waste your precious energy on stuff that clearly doesn't resonate with you.

Anyone sitting around just waiting to be convinced by outsiders about what the truth is—without any desire to build their own intellectual toolkit or develop their own way of seeing things—they'll be waiting a long time before they actually see reality for what it is. Honestly? Those are the exact kind of people who are just begging to be manipulated.

I kind of agree, though I don't think "new" ideas should be used as an excuse to shut down those kinds of discussions. It’s also not helpful to dismiss different perspectives by saying, "well, it doesn't matter what you think or what you call it." That feels especially hollow when you're talking about something like humility, since the person pushing the idea ends up contradicting themselves just by how they act...

Jamie Davis9 said:I’m not entirely certain on the specifics, but if I recall correctly, there’s a significant number of registered Catholics in this part of the country, isn't there?

And look, I might come across as completely clueless here, but I don't even know where you're located.
In my neck of the woods, you can barely find seasonal workers, let alone someone who would swear an oath on Capital.

Of course they can find workers. They just need to offer better benefits, but those big-shot tourism moguls won't budge. Now they're getting exactly what they deserve for being so cheap. Honestly, I'm kind of enjoying watching this play out...

David Vaughn75 said:What's your actual angle here? I was humble, period. 😠

If I ask you what day it is, the answer is Thursday—not a five-page dissertation on your personal philosophy regarding the concept of a Thursday.

I guess being sober is a Himalayan state of mind compared to being high. 😁

It’s funny how all you "humble" people seem to be constantly pissed off and so quick to lose it... 😁

Matthew Cruz44 said:Humility... It’s almost as if the soul is simply too lazy to grasp the conversation we're having here.

You see, humility is really just self-awareness, which, when you think about it, is two sides of the exact same coin.

It isn't an emotion at all.

Emotions belong to the physical body.

Yes, precisely that, and I've been dwelling on this quite a bit over the last week.

One should listen to that lazy soul with true humility.

Humility is being able to admit, for instance, that you have a material desire.

Like wanting a new Apple phone.

That realization right there? That is humility.

It is pure self-awareness and awareness of one's own state.

Stripped of all the extra fluff.

The mindset of "I want it all and I want it now" is definitely not what we call humility.

No, that's just saying, "I want A, B, C, and D, and I need them this very second."

That is merely logic.

Or intuition.

I don't get it. I humbly admit my lack of understanding and refuse to force the concept into my brain.

Humility is woven into everything around us, and I honestly can't wrap my head around why people insist on attaching all these heavy religious meanings to it.

Just look at that guy on the TV right now, claiming "Apple leads you straight to Russia." There's something interesting in that thought.

Here’s a cold virtual beer to help clear your head 🙂

Being humble doesn't mean you lack drive or ambition...

David Vaughn75 said:So you ask me a question and then immediately turn around and claim the question was out of line... classic. 😵

From what I can tell, whenever I’ve actually managed to be humble, that's when grace finally finds me.

Counted toward what, exactly?

Could you point me to where I said that question was misplaced? I don't think you quite caught my drift...

Quentin Tarantino:

I’ve found that whenever I actually stay humble, grace seems to find me...

Wow, that response was incredible. Were you actually being humble? Really? And how about now... I just don't get how someone can go from being so humble to being anything else...

It’s kind of like someone claiming they were once brilliant, isn't it? Sure, neurons might wither if you don't use them, but shouldn't humility actually grow over time? As you get a better grasp on life and open up spiritually, the ego tends to fade away... wouldn't you say...

So, does eating meat automatically mean you've lost your humility or aren't following certain spiritual principles, or is it just some specific rules you're following? I'm curious... How did you experience grace, what did that actually feel like, and why did you lose it? It feels like you weren't taught in school how to give a straight answer, so instead, you're kind of mystifying the terms to dodge the details...

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Maria Parker77 said:Melissa Rogers4, what part of this are you not getting?
I know a guy who rents out caves in the Himalayas for samadhi sessions. I can get you his info—he'll probably give you a discount. Once you actually experience samadhi firsthand, maybe then the whole concept of humility will finally click for you.

I just don't understand why you can't move past the fact that we aren't all going to blindly swallow your spiritual sales pitch and act impressed by someone trying to sell us thin air. You'd think you'd be used to the idea that we don't all smoke the same kind of weed 🤔
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Regarding humility, I'm genuinely curious how being "more tolerant than a tree" or "lower than the grass by the road" actually works in practice. It’s one thing to write about having an experience, but experiencing something isn't the same as actually being it... and that line from the book seems to be talking about a state of consciousness, not just a fleeting (and likely projected) feeling...

I know a guy who rents out caves in the Himalayas for Samadhi. I can put you in touch—he might give you a discount. Once you actually hit Samadhi, your sense of humility will make much more sense.

So, you need to rent a cave to experience Samadhi? Are you for real? And not even on your own terms, either—you actually have to pay a landlord for it!? Where on earth do you people come from... seriously...🤣

What have you all gone through? I wanted to start a thread about humility. Honestly, hearing about someone else's real-life experiences feels so much more meaningful than reading history books about eras we could never truly understand ourselves...

David Vaughn75 said:Be as patient as a redwood and as humble as the grass under your feet.

Honestly, without that kind of mindset, you’re never gonna catch God's grace.

Is that something you've actually felt personally, or is it just something you read in the Prabhupada books and now they feel like the same thing to you?...

Humility is just the passive mind calculating that being submissive will get you a better deal than haggling. Forget all that spiritual stuff...

Daniel Davis40 said:Fine, I'll admit it: I have zero patience for stupidity. I constantly have to remind myself that people aren't to blame for having limited cognitive abilities—since, clearly, we weren't all born with equal mental capacity—but it’s an instinctive trigger for me. I’ve actually walked away from solid jobs in the past because I couldn't stand working alongside idiots who just don't get it. But let's stay on track; this conversation isn't supposed to be about me.

You still haven't actually addressed my points regarding how your claims are completely baseless and illogical. I believe I laid out perfectly valid reasons why my words cannot be interpreted the way you’ve twisted them. Furthermore, other users understood exactly what I meant—so when you dismiss that as "wishful thinking," what kind of actual argument is that supposed to be? It makes no sense.

Like I already asked you—though you probably missed that too—what possible logic leads to the conclusion that wealth equals humility? Go ahead, explain that to me, seeing as you're so insistent that those were my words.

It's not about you, but it's about humility, and real-life examples tell us way more than just theorizing here...🙂
So, do you run into people who struggle to keep up quite often, and does it really get to you that much?🍿
You mentioned that you always have to remind yourself that not everyone is built the same way, which implies one thing follows the other, right? And the fact that there are more of these "clueless" people in your life than average, plus you've quit multiple good jobs because of them... is that really how it is? 😲 😁

Edit: I'm not claiming wealth equals humility (don't put words in my mouth!), I'm just saying that when life is going well and I feel happy and grateful, that's not necessarily humility...🙂

Daniel Davis40 said:Hold on—do you honestly believe that was my attempt at being humble?

The point is, did it even register that you were wrong—that you completely missed the mark here? "Just admit it; you won't lose your status just by owning up to it" ☕

It wasn't about acting humble, it was more about seeing what your natural reactions look like and how much criticism you can actually handle.

Quincy:

But did you even realize you were wrong? That you messed up? "Just admit it, it won't kill you." ☕

I didn't mess up. You still haven't explained why your sentences don't make logical sense—basically, why they belong in a fantasy novel rather than reality. Telling me that you understood but I didn't is just wishful thinking 🙂

You call this communication or coherent writing?
- you don't understand what you read at all
- you clearly missed my point
- I'm not changing my mind or being stubborn (not because of some random person with limited comprehension)
- I have no idea what you think you're doing
- acting like you wrote something brilliant
- changing my opinion because of you? Yeah, right...
- I wouldn't change my mind based on two empty sentences from you
- now you're trying to tell me what my own opinion is—sorry, but you'd need a bit more intellect for that
- you're way too confident without any basis
- my opinion isn't contradictory—it's just that you can't grasp it
- your response just shows you didn't get what I wrote
- I don't feel like going back and forth since you struggle with basic understanding
- I shouldn't have to waste my time defending myself to someone who lacks logic and reading comprehension
- I didn't ask for your input, yet you jumped in to claim my post couldn't be anything but wrong...
Arguments are maybe 1%, while the defensiveness is 99% and climbing...🍿

The tone of your response says way more about your warped idea of humility than any actual argument ever could 👍
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Daniel Davis40 said:Oh, please—spare me the lecture; you really think you’ve got it all figured out, don't you?

Where did I ever mention an actual axe or where it fell? Nowhere. I was talking about a state of mind—not physical possessions or external circumstances.

Look, everyone hits a low point now and then; that’s just part of being human. But even then, you can still maintain gratitude and find joy in the fact that you're actually alive—and from that foundation comes a genuine, effortless kind of humility.

The alternative is to spin this endless saga where you're the victim, where life is unfair, where everyone else has it easier, and where you have to fight tooth and nail just to avoid being eaten alive. If you choose that path, any sense of humility you claim to have is either fake or it'll just burn you out instantly.

Someone might feel unlucky or overwhelmed by life, yet they can make a conscious choice to be a decent person—to serve others, to set aside their own ego, and to practice true humility.

My whole point was that it’s much better to cultivate that internal headspace first—that sense of vitality and gratitude—so that humility follows naturally. If you try to force it when you're feeling miserable, you're just going to exhaust yourself. I felt it was worth bringing up because I know plenty of organized religions would disagree with me—they tend to insist that you have to start with outward behavior and discipline alone.

I simply thought if anyone was going to reply, I might actually hear a thoughtful perspective for once.

There. That's it.

You ask for an explanation and then call it being a know-it-all just because you don't like the answer...🙂

Where did I even mention an axe or anything falling? I was talking about a state of mind, not what you own or what's happening around you.

You weren't talking about a state of mind; you were describing circumstances that are actually pretty rare—being incredibly happy and content simply because life feels good and kind to you. Since you framed it as something to be grateful for and ultimately humble about, it’s impossible not to conclude you missed the mark completely.

Everyone feels down sometimes; it's just part of being human. But you can still be grateful and happy with your life and the experience of living, and that leads to true, effortless humility.

It's obvious you realized you messed up and now you're pivoting, because this paragraph totally contradicts what you said earlier. Just feeling bad occasionally while being mostly happy and enjoying a "good life" just puts the focus back on favorable circumstances, which isn't humility. If the situation were reversed and stayed that way for a long time, I'd be asking you about real humility that flows naturally...

You could tell yourself stories about how miserable you are, how you're a victim, how others have it better, or how things are unfair and you have to fight just to survive. In those cases, humility is either fake or it just drains a person instantly.

None of that is actually humility; it's just the natural reaction of an unconscious person who feels hurt and uses self-pity to find the strength to keep going.

Because someone can feel unhappy and think life is hard, yet decide they want to do the right thing, serve others, set aside their own needs, and be humble.

This is getting intense. I don't know how old you are, but you sound more like you're daydreaming about an idealized world than actually living in reality. You can't just decide to be righteous, serve others, suppress your needs, and be humble. That's just an ego-driven idea—thinking you can earn "spiritual" points that way—but it doesn't work like that. Spirituality doesn't respond to performances or acting the part.

Quincy:

In my post, I was suggesting that it’s better to first cultivate that kind of headspace—things like joy and gratitude—so that humility follows naturally. Trying to force it when you don't feel it just leads to burnout. I figured it was worth mentioning because I know many religions wouldn't agree with that approach, since they tend to focus on controlling behavior first...

I somewhat agree with your first point, but let's be honest about how you actually phrased it. You won't break if you admit it. The thing is, striving for that state of mind doesn't guarantee humility will come easily or naturally—it won't. That only happens for people who live out their stories rather than just dreaming them up. People like that aren't lying, and lying is easy. You're saying something that sounds "wise" and smooth, so it feels true, but you aren't living it because you're too caught up in this new narrative. You're basically an example of that exact mindset...

As for behavior, you're right that we have it wrong. Even though it feels like we can choose how we act, we really can't. We're driven by forces that are far too complex for our surface-level way of solving problems, so this idea of "free will" is mostly just a hope that one day...

Quincy:

I just thought if anyone responded, I'd want to hear what they think.

And then you get defensive when someone tries to help you refine your thoughts so they make more sense. You miss the good intentions and just see it as a personal attack...

So, yeah, 🙂

Daniel Davis40 said:Explain!

Just slapping a "facepalm" emoji on a post and claiming something isn't true helps absolutely nobody—it’s just noise. Do us all a favor and actually explain yourself—enlighten the uneducated masses for once...

I'm not sure what there is to explain. When everything is going great—we're happy, grateful, just soaking up life and feeling like the world is finally being kind to us—that's not humility. It's just pure satisfaction from hitting the jackpot. Not needing to step on others to feel better because we already feel whole... that’s just a byproduct of being in a good place.

So, based on what you wrote—it's basically saying when things are perfect, we can give freely without asking for anything back, which looks like humility, but it’s actually situational. As soon as the rug gets pulled out from under you, that "humility" disappears, and suddenly you're looking to use others to get back on top, expecting way more than what you put in...

Oh, boy, no 😁
The way you wrote that doesn't really come across as humble at all... 🤦

Sandra Morgan2 said:Humility—defined as being modest, unobtrusive, and seeing oneself as insignificant compared to others and God—has to come from a deep realization of how reality actually works. Otherwise, it’s just acting. It’s just a programmed behavior.

To me, that insight is captured perfectly by the Sanskrit term *nirmama*. In a loose translation, it means: nothing is mine, I own nothing, nothing belongs to me.

Only someone who truly understands that everything they have—their parents, spouse, children, all their property, everything they’ve built, everything they know, those diplomas hanging on the wall, everything they’ve acquired, including their very body and identity—is a gift, is not truly theirs, is temporary, and will eventually be taken away... only then can they be truly humble.

That realization makes a person non-confrontational and peaceful. They don't feel the need to be at odds with the world, other people, their loved ones, or God. Such a person won't be arrogant, boastful, puffed up, or full of themselves (all traits that are the polar opposite of humility).

But they won't be a pushover who just bends to everyone else either... because beyond seeing that they own nothing, they see that no one else owns anything either.

😲 🙏

(especially when you consider what she said about those fake saints that the world keeps falling for, despite all the information available out there...)

🙂