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The Power of Humility

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Elizabeth Castillo87 Elizabeth Castillo87 Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
So, what’s the deal with humility? I mean, where does it actually show up in the Gospels? Aside from when Jesus was washing the disciples' feet or basically handing himself over to be executed, where's the humility? Most of the time, he was busy teaching about love or healing people, sure, but let's be real—he was throwing threats around too. Since when does pulling off miracles count as being humble, right?
And where exactly did Muhammad show humility?
Where was Buddha being humble?
Sometimes I get this nagging feeling that "humility" is just an expectation placed on followers, especially women. I mean, look at Mary. The Gospels make it clear that while the apostles were busy scattering in every direction to save their own skins, it was the women who stayed by Jesus' side at the cross. You want to call that humility? Or is it something else?
Betty Chavez2 Betty Chavez2 Member
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#2 ·
Elizabeth Castillo87 said:So, what’s the deal with humility? I mean, where does it actually show up in the Gospels? Aside from when Jesus was washing the disciples' feet or basically handing himself over to be executed, where's the humility? Most of the time, he was busy teaching about love or healing people, sure, but let's be real—he was throwing threats around too. Since when does pulling off miracles count as being humble, right?
And where exactly did Muhammad show humility?
Where was Buddha being humble?
Sometimes I get this nagging feeling that "humility" is just an expectation placed on followers, especially women. I mean, look at Mary. The Gospels make it clear that while the apostles were busy scattering in every direction to save their own skins, it was the women who stayed by Jesus' side at the cross. You want to call that humility? Or is it something else?

Humility should first be an internal state where we submit to God's will—a state where our own will becomes God's will, where there is zero resistance and everything flows naturally within an inner current of bliss where two become one in Unity.
Elizabeth Castillo87 Elizabeth Castillo87 Active MemberOP
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#3 ·
Yeah, but honestly, every single religious leader I’ve ever come across—and I mean everyone from the local preacher to those high-priced gurus out in California—doesn't actually promote that sense of Unity. Instead, they just sit there letting people shower them with gold and expensive gifts.
Betty Chavez2 Betty Chavez2 Member
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#4 ·
Elizabeth Castillo87 said:Yeah, but honestly, every single religious leader I’ve ever come across—and I mean everyone from the local preacher to those high-priced gurus out in California—doesn't actually promote that sense of Unity. Instead, they just sit there letting people shower them with gold and expensive gifts.

That's an internal state, though. You can't exactly spot it from the outside.

...and not everyone is like that. The spiritual teacher Martin was the literal embodiment of everything Christ taught; he lived such a humble, simple life. Even as a kid, he’d always ask himself, "What would Jesus do if he were in my shoes?"
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#5 ·
If you seriously think Jesus was supposed to just play nice with everyone back then and cater to their every little whim, then you’ve got it all wrong. Like, what does humility even mean to you? It’s not about sitting there waiting to be handed stuff—it’s about being the one giving it away.

People need to show some damn humility toward Jesus, not the other way around. He’s the teacher here, not the student.
And at the end of the day, we all need to stay humble before God.
Elizabeth Castillo87 Elizabeth Castillo87 Active MemberOP
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#6 ·
Betty Chavez2 said:That's an internal state, though. You can't exactly spot it from the outside.

...and not everyone is like that. The spiritual teacher Martin was the literal embodiment of everything Christ taught; he lived such a humble, simple life. Even as a kid, he’d always ask himself, "What would Jesus do if he were in my shoes?"

From what I recall, that’s exactly how Mother Teresa used to put it. And man, she was the definition of humble. Another woman, I guess.

David Vaughn75 said:If you seriously think Jesus was supposed to just play nice with everyone back then and cater to their every little whim, then you’ve got it all wrong. Like, what does humility even mean to you? It’s not about sitting there waiting to be handed stuff—it’s about being the one giving it away.

People need to show some damn humility toward Jesus, not the other way around. He’s the teacher here, not the student.
And at the end of the day, we all need to stay humble before God.

But wait, shouldn't teachers lead by example when it comes to being humble? There's that story about the fig tree that Jesus cursed just because it wasn't in season and He wanted some fruit.
David Vaughn75 David Vaughn75 Regular
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#7 ·
Elizabeth Castillo87 said:From what I recall, that’s exactly how Mother Teresa used to put it. And man, she was the definition of humble. Another woman, I guess.

But wait, shouldn't teachers lead by example when it comes to being humble? There's that story about the fig tree that Jesus cursed just because it wasn't in season and He wanted some fruit.

Look, obviously—but let’s not talk about fake humility here.
When someone is actually out there sharing deep spiritual wisdom, they're holding a massive amount of influence, and they really need to own that reality.

It’s like if you aced a brutal final at NYU and then acted like it was no big deal.
No it wasn't! You busted your tail for that grade, and you deserve some credit for actually pulling it off.
neonfalcon99 neonfalcon99 Member
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#8 ·
Elizabeth Castillo87 said:From what I recall, that’s exactly how Mother Teresa used to put it. And man, she was the definition of humble. Another woman, I guess.

But wait, shouldn't teachers lead by example when it comes to being humble? There's that story about the fig tree that Jesus cursed just because it wasn't in season and He wanted some fruit.

Where is that story located??? I haven't heard it, so now I'm curious. Did Jesus really curse a fig tree just because it wasn't bearing fruit when he wanted some?
Sandra Morgan2 Sandra Morgan2 Active Member
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#9 ·
Elizabeth Castillo87 said:So, what’s the deal with humility? I mean, where does it actually show up in the Gospels? Aside from when Jesus was washing the disciples' feet or basically handing himself over to be executed, where's the humility? Most of the time, he was busy teaching about love or healing people, sure, but let's be real—he was throwing threats around too. Since when does pulling off miracles count as being humble, right?
And where exactly did Muhammad show humility?
Where was Buddha being humble?
Sometimes I get this nagging feeling that "humility" is just an expectation placed on followers, especially women. I mean, look at Mary. The Gospels make it clear that while the apostles were busy scattering in every direction to save their own skins, it was the women who stayed by Jesus' side at the cross. You want to call that humility? Or is it something else?


Humility—defined as being modest, unobtrusive, and seeing oneself as insignificant compared to others and God—has to come from a deep realization of how reality actually works. Otherwise, it’s just acting. It’s just a programmed behavior.

To me, that insight is captured perfectly by the Sanskrit term *nirmama*. In a loose translation, it means: nothing is mine, I own nothing, nothing belongs to me.

Only someone who truly understands that everything they have—their parents, spouse, children, all their property, everything they’ve built, everything they know, those diplomas hanging on the wall, everything they’ve acquired, including their very body and identity—is a gift, is not truly theirs, is temporary, and will eventually be taken away... only then can they be truly humble.

That realization makes a person non-confrontational and peaceful. They don't feel the need to be at odds with the world, other people, their loved ones, or God. Such a person won't be arrogant, boastful, puffed up, or full of themselves (all traits that are the polar opposite of humility).

But they won't be a pushover who just bends to everyone else either... because beyond seeing that they own nothing, they see that no one else owns anything either.
swifttiger75 swifttiger75 Active Member
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#10 ·
Sandra Morgan2 said:Humility—defined as being modest, unobtrusive, and seeing oneself as insignificant compared to others and God—has to come from a deep realization of how reality actually works. Otherwise, it’s just acting. It’s just a programmed behavior.

To me, that insight is captured perfectly by the Sanskrit term *nirmama*. In a loose translation, it means: nothing is mine, I own nothing, nothing belongs to me.

Only someone who truly understands that everything they have—their parents, spouse, children, all their property, everything they’ve built, everything they know, those diplomas hanging on the wall, everything they’ve acquired, including their very body and identity—is a gift, is not truly theirs, is temporary, and will eventually be taken away... only then can they be truly humble.

That realization makes a person non-confrontational and peaceful. They don't feel the need to be at odds with the world, other people, their loved ones, or God. Such a person won't be arrogant, boastful, puffed up, or full of themselves (all traits that are the polar opposite of humility).

But they won't be a pushover who just bends to everyone else either... because beyond seeing that they own nothing, they see that no one else owns anything either.

I really dig this. 👍
Elizabeth Castillo87 Elizabeth Castillo87 Active MemberOP
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#11 ·
neonfalcon99 said:Where is that story located??? I haven't heard it, so now I'm curious. Did Jesus really curse a fig tree just because it wasn't bearing fruit when he wanted some?

Read the Gospel if you haven't. Honestly, being able to read the whole Bible is just basic common sense at this point. I really can't be bothered to go hunting for stuff every single time since I don't have the whole thing memorized.

Sandra Morgan2 said:Humility—defined as being modest, unobtrusive, and seeing oneself as insignificant compared to others and God—has to come from a deep realization of how reality actually works. Otherwise, it’s just acting. It’s just a programmed behavior.

To me, that insight is captured perfectly by the Sanskrit term *nirmama*. In a loose translation, it means: nothing is mine, I own nothing, nothing belongs to me.

Only someone who truly understands that everything they have—their parents, spouse, children, all their property, everything they’ve built, everything they know, those diplomas hanging on the wall, everything they’ve acquired, including their very body and identity—is a gift, is not truly theirs, is temporary, and will eventually be taken away... only then can they be truly humble.

That realization makes a person non-confrontational and peaceful. They don't feel the need to be at odds with the world, other people, their loved ones, or God. Such a person won't be arrogant, boastful, puffed up, or full of themselves (all traits that are the polar opposite of humility).

But they won't be a pushover who just bends to everyone else either... because beyond seeing that they own nothing, they see that no one else owns anything either.

Does that mean Mother Teresa and Gandhi were more humble than all those various gurus out there?
Sandra Murphy33 Sandra Murphy33 Active Member
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#12 ·
Betty Chavez2 said:Humility should first be an internal state where we submit to God's will—a state where our own will becomes God's will, where there is zero resistance and everything flows naturally within an inner current of bliss where two become one in Unity.

Elizabeth Castillo87 said:Yeah, but honestly, every single religious leader I’ve ever come across—and I mean everyone from the local preacher to those high-priced gurus out in California—doesn't actually promote that sense of Unity. Instead, they just sit there letting people shower them with gold and expensive gifts.

We owe our humility to that greater force we can't always wrap our heads around—call it God, the Universe, or simply Life itself—but we certainly don't owe it to other people.
That’s how I see it, at least.
lonefox19 lonefox19 Newcomer
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#13 ·
Elizabeth Castillo87 said:From what I recall, that’s exactly how Mother Teresa used to put it. And man, she was the definition of humble. Another woman, I guess.

But wait, shouldn't teachers lead by example when it comes to being humble? There's that story about the fig tree that Jesus cursed just because it wasn't in season and He wanted some fruit.

https://www.bitno.net/vjera/pitajte-...sus-proklinje/
Betty Chavez2 Betty Chavez2 Member
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#14 ·
Sandra Murphy33 said:We owe our humility to that greater force we can't always wrap our heads around—call it God, the Universe, or simply Life itself—but we certainly don't owe it to other people.
That’s how I see it, at least.

A human is just a human, and God is God.

That’s what true humility is all about.

We're just a single drop, and He is the entire ocean... and that's never going to change.

There's this massive, infinite, indescribable love in that realization... honestly, the word "humility" doesn't even cut it anymore... because once you dissolve into that Unity and bliss, there is only Unity.
redpilot37 redpilot37 Active Member
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#15 ·
Elizabeth Castillo87 said:So, what’s the deal with humility? I mean, where does it actually show up in the Gospels? Aside from when Jesus was washing the disciples' feet or basically handing himself over to be executed, where's the humility? Most of the time, he was busy teaching about love or healing people, sure, but let's be real—he was throwing threats around too. Since when does pulling off miracles count as being humble, right?
And where exactly did Muhammad show humility?
Where was Buddha being humble?
Sometimes I get this nagging feeling that "humility" is just an expectation placed on followers, especially women. I mean, look at Mary. The Gospels make it clear that while the apostles were busy scattering in every direction to save their own skins, it was the women who stayed by Jesus' side at the cross. You want to call that humility? Or is it something else?

My take on this is that humility pays off because I link it to peace. It's a state where the ego isn't in charge. If you aren't ruled by ego, nobody can crush you. The only thing that can crush you is your own ego, suffering because it needs to prove itself or because it clings to negativity when it gets hurt. Being humble means being at peace. It means other people's actions don't touch you enough to cause endless suffering. You realize that if you act with peace and humility, you're doing good for yourself and setting an example. Treat others how you want to be treated. That's just how it works.
As for certain religions treating women as inferior or submissive—giving them fewer rights—that feels more like a power grab through hierarchy than actual spirituality. The spirit doesn't have a gender. Angels don't have genders. Why would a soul?
I might be submissive, but not because I'm a woman. It's because of my inner nature and my desire for harmony and a good life.
Jesus showed us the kind of life we should all be aiming for.
nimblewolf11 nimblewolf11 Member
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#16 ·
Betty Chavez2 said:A human is just a human, and God is God.

That’s what true humility is all about.

We're just a single drop, and He is the entire ocean... and that's never going to change.

There's this massive, infinite, indescribable love in that realization... honestly, the word "humility" doesn't even cut it anymore... because once you dissolve into that Unity and bliss, there is only Unity.

Honestly? It’s nothing more than an illusion—just a version of reality that *feels* true, but isn't.

Within that understanding, there lies a massive, infinite, and truly indescribable love... so much so that even the word "humility" loses its meaning... because once we melt into that Unity and bliss, only Unity remains.

Pure sentimentality.
Elizabeth Castillo87 Elizabeth Castillo87 Active MemberOP
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#17 ·
Sandra Morgan2 said:I don't know,

I’m not even sure if those two were actually humble people to begin with....

Look, maybe we're just picking different examples, but I totally get where you're coming from with that definition of humility. Honestly? I feel like I run into genuine humility way more often when I'm dealing with nuns or some local priests rather than those self-proclaimed gurus out there...
But yeah, they're definitely rare finds.

lonefox19 said:https://www.bitno.net/vjera/pitajte-...sus-proklinje/

This is hands down the most pathetic and racist take on the story of Jesus and the fig tree I've ever seen.
Sandra Morgan2 Sandra Morgan2 Active Member
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#18 ·
Elizabeth Castillo87 said:Look, maybe we're just picking different examples, but I totally get where you're coming from with that definition of humility. Honestly? I feel like I run into genuine humility way more often when I'm dealing with nuns or some local priests rather than those self-proclaimed gurus out there...
But yeah, they're definitely rare finds.

This is hands down the most pathetic and racist take on the story of Jesus and the fig tree I've ever seen.

I'm with you on that... though I’d add that I’ve met truly humble people in the most ordinary places. They can be so kind—with that sincere, wide-eyed look of a child. Selfless, gentle, and just overflowing with goodness. It seems like humility usually comes bundled up with all those other beautiful traits.
Mark Torres14 Mark Torres14 Regular
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#19 ·
If you ask me, humility is just a mask for frustration—it’s what people lean on when they feel worthless. The only exception is when someone acts humble just to score points later. But let's call that what it actually is: being manipulative, not humble.
Neither Jesus, nor Gandhi, nor Mother Teresa ever played the "humble" card with people they considered weaker than themselves. Far from it.
Melissa Rogers4 Melissa Rogers4 Member
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#20 ·
Sandra Morgan2 said:Humility—defined as being modest, unobtrusive, and seeing oneself as insignificant compared to others and God—has to come from a deep realization of how reality actually works. Otherwise, it’s just acting. It’s just a programmed behavior.

To me, that insight is captured perfectly by the Sanskrit term *nirmama*. In a loose translation, it means: nothing is mine, I own nothing, nothing belongs to me.

Only someone who truly understands that everything they have—their parents, spouse, children, all their property, everything they’ve built, everything they know, those diplomas hanging on the wall, everything they’ve acquired, including their very body and identity—is a gift, is not truly theirs, is temporary, and will eventually be taken away... only then can they be truly humble.

That realization makes a person non-confrontational and peaceful. They don't feel the need to be at odds with the world, other people, their loved ones, or God. Such a person won't be arrogant, boastful, puffed up, or full of themselves (all traits that are the polar opposite of humility).

But they won't be a pushover who just bends to everyone else either... because beyond seeing that they own nothing, they see that no one else owns anything either.

😲 🙏

(especially when you consider what she said about those fake saints that the world keeps falling for, despite all the information available out there...)

🙂

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