Come on, people... look at all these diagnoses. Why aren't people actually out in the streets? Why won't anyone show up? Then you read all these sermon-like posts about what we "should" be doing... sometimes I even catch those silly op-eds by some random columnist on a site like Huffington Post. She’s calling for revolutions and protests and whatnot, but honestly, she can barely string two sentences together when I see her on TV. Her writing might be okay, I guess, but I seriously doubt she's even the one writing it... We had someone like a visionary leader once who had such a brilliant, damn good idea—so what happened? Nothing. Absolutely nothing. If dear Jesus came among Americans, nobody would follow Him or His message. Instead, they’d probably just try to stab Him or find some way to look out for themselves through someone who knows somebody important.
Stop kidding yourselves and face reality: most Americans are just looking for a steady paycheck. In this country, "who you know" is the most important thing in any family. Even if certain sports fan groups seem totally righteous, with their big ideals and pure intentions—maybe even the only clean thing left in this whole nation—just take a look at who is actually sitting in those stands. You don't even have to go inside to know them... I’m not attacking anyone, really, but I’d bet my life that 60% or 70% of people would give up a kidney just to have a connection in politics or government to secure a job. It’s not about the stadium; it’s about our mentality. And hey, it’s not even "bad" per se because everyone wants security, but it shows how much the system and the government have screwed us over for decades. Out of 1,000 people in a crowd, I’m convinced you’d find maybe 100—if that—who are truly pure, upright, and moral. Everything else is for sale. In this sluggish society and given our economic situation, after years of depression, the state of the community is just mirrored in the stands and nowhere else.
Sometimes I wonder who all these "righteous" fans on this forum are. They lecture us about honesty, protests, ideals, and loyalty, yet if you saw those same people in person at a gas station or in the stands, you'd see them looting stores, beating people senseless with metal pipes or heavy rocks, or throwing flares. We end up waving the flag of the Vatican, shouting about Jesus and Christianity, yet you can count the people who don't swear by God on one hand.
But honestly? Instead of all those empty words, they could just put "all we have left is the name" right in the middle... and everyone would totally get it.
I mean, where is this country headed? Half of our brightest young minds have packed up and left for good over the last decade, and then you see people with so much courage and heart taking their own lives (like Busic and now Čabo)... Oh, America 😢
Seriously, everyone, can we just stop fighting and actually get stuff done? I’m getting pretty tired of reading all these "we should do this" versus "well, we shouldn't do that because there aren't enough people" debates... it's exhausting!
The dogs bark, but the convoy keeps moving... and honestly, it's been going on like this for years.
Just shut down the forums and the websites already, set a date, and pick a time...
Every time I hear that thunderous roar on TV, it takes me right back to that massive debate on the local fan forums about the microphone setup. Everyone was arguing over why the Bad Boys always sound so much louder than the rest of the crowd! If I remember correctly, one of the guys was even asking if they could just move the mic closer to the center or further up toward the north stands 😁
Someone posted a link a few pages back, but I totally lost track of it... Is there somewhere else to see more merch besides just the official website? Or is what they have online pretty much everything they sell?
Jerry Morris2 said:I honestly have no idea what you're talking about... Madoff is one of the key players in UEFA's mafia-style network—anyone who doesn't see that clearly shouldn't be posting here. It actually benefits Madoff if Dinamo gets sanctioned because of the fans (flares, chanting, banners); in other words, he encourages it because it gives him public support. They make up the rules, and UEFA just helps them along. Of course, we’re going to fight against UEFA and everything rotten in football. The issue isn't fixing us or those few teams (what thousands of teams?), the issue is bringing honesty back to the game, and we shouldn't be picky about how we do that. And another thing: fans will never intentionally hurt their OWN club. Just look at our league and our clubs right now—are they even truly ours? And which ones actually represent the fans by playing in a fair league!?
What you're saying has absolutely nothing to do with what I wrote...
I know perfectly well who Madoff is and what UEFA is about...
The point wasn't them; the point was the flares... flares get set off all over Europe. But we have this target on our backs (largely thanks to lobbyists like Vrbanc and Madoff over at UEFA) that makes us mess up constantly, whether we should or not. We've screwed ourselves up plenty of times (let's drop the pride for a second and just admit it: yeah, we messed up, we could have handled some things differently—not everything, but some things). And even when we didn't, or when we were just defending ourselves, it's the same old story: Madoff lobbies a journalist here, a UEFA official there, and boom—Bad Boys are on the front page again. Over and over.
Repeat a lie a hundred times and it becomes truth. Put it on the headline a hundred times that the Bad Boys caused chaos in some European city, and people will swallow it the first time, thinking the Bad Boys are the villains just because they were out there causing trouble again.
We don't have an issue with just one daily newspaper burying a story on the back pages; our problem is with the entire media landscape in this country, whether it's print, online, or TV. Even the one outlet that tries to act "independent" still pulls its punches to avoid going full force against Madoff, Stimac, Todoric, or whoever else.
Anyway, I'm getting off track. Look, one day when our battle is over, when we finally get a management team like Schalke has—where it's one member, one vote—will we still be throwing flares on the pitch or stopping matches? Will we be clashing with the police in the square because they're picking up our guys for no reason? Or will we leave the flares in the stands where they belong, watch the game, and adapt our cheering style? When someone gets detained, will we just have a lawyer, a secretary, and an advisor ready to head down to the precinct (or the police van) and smoothly get our guy released without any penalty? (If that's even possible).
That's not giving in to UEFA's terms; it's adapting to the 21st century. Our methods are outdated... especially at a time when we barely have fans in the stadium or enough friends standing by our side...
Listen, you win against people who are richer, stronger, and more powerful by using your brain, not brute force—especially nowadays when the whole world is covered by CCTV.
Let’s be real here and just admit it: flares were being set off whenever, whether it was appropriate or not. Of course, saying that about Dinamo—the most watched club in the country, playing in European competitions every single year, and pulling in more cash than anyone else from sponsors, the city, player transfers, or UEFA—doesn't sit well with anyone. I guess it's easier to just pay the fines... To try and cut down on that or stop it altogether, they've basically tried to demonize anything related to flares or the Bad Boys... and that's how we've been systematically pushed to this point over time...
Anyway, once our fight finally reaches its end, will people still be throwing flares onto the pitch? If so, would it be a way to protest against UEFA and the state of modern soccer, or will everyone finally just step back and realize we need to change? We probably can't win this battle against UEFA anyway. We're talking hundreds, maybe even a few thousand of us, while UEFA represents millions of people and billions of dollars. Honestly, we're mostly just hurting ourselves at this point instead of them.
There’s a massive difference between setting off flares in the stands versus throwing them onto the field. Plenty of our own guys have spoken up, saying they should stay in the stands and warned others, but man, when you're dealing with millions of fans versus just a few thousand diehards, things get messy.
Brandon Anderson34 said:A TRIP TO VIENNA... if you ask me personally, I’d love for us to pull off one legendary away game. I mean, let's freeze everyone in and around the stadium in Vienna—numbers that meet our American standards! Why? FIRST, to show today's Real Madrid squad just how much privilege players used to have before Mamic took over, and what kind of army used to follow Real Madrid wherever they played. SECOND, to remind the neutral public—or just give them a nudge—about all those killer performances we've had, proving we are a completely different club when the BBB are in the stands (and even when they aren't). And of course, to show those THIRD-RATE guys, the Mamic loyalists, that we're still here in much bigger numbers than they think. No matter how long this fight lasts, the final victory belongs to the North.
If we have to get tickets by promising Mamic we won't shout anything against him—and yeah, we should probably make that promise—well, in war, the ends justify the means. The goal is everything. 😁😁
If something like that actually happened, just for the sake of one good away trip, my honest opinion is that it would spit on everything we've built so far and disrespect the people who worked hardest on all of this...
True grit and character (persistence, pride, and honor) would be proven by a massive away following at some local US league game, not in Vienna but hey, let's be real, there just aren't many people with that kind of spirit left these days. Way too few.
I honestly feel like leveling the whole city of New York to the ground. There’s just such a massive concentration of cowards, sellouts, and people with absolutely zero backbone or pride anywhere else in the world...
Look, this isn't just about soccer, Dinamo, or the Bad Boys—it goes way deeper than that. It's basically our superpower: they can try to screw us over all they want, but we can take just about anything they throw at us...
The White House and the entire D.C. establishment deserve to go up in flames, because this isn't just about Jerry Jones
All those predictions and posts from Mukte actually start making sense now 😁
I mean, eventually someone neutral is going to wonder: if he’s such a great trader, if he's really that talented, and if he's basically the American Mother Theresa, why does it bother him so much that 300 people—who aren't even at the stadium anymore—are talking?
It bugs him so much that not a single monologue goes by without bringing them up again
Is it actually possible to call or email FIFA to ask them about this? Honestly, the best move would be to scan this whole text and just shoot them an email with an inquiry
Just imagine being a FIFA delegate who doesn't speak German, and suddenly you're sent to oversee a match in Greece where you don't know a single letter of the alphabet, let alone how to write a word of Greek... then a couple of days later, you draft a report saying these specific fans were chanting this and that... using two misspelled words but getting the spacing right!
Seriously, when you watch YouTube clips of people from Poland, Russia, or the Czech Republic—countries where the languages are somewhat similar to ours—can you actually understand anything they're singing? Could you even put it on paper?
Actually, we don't even have to go that far. Can you even understand what the local supporters are chanting or cheering? You probably get the melody, but if you're just listening, you likely have no clue what they're mumbling, right? 😁
So, what actually happened with that officer who opened fire? Did anyone ever find out his identity or the specifics of what went down? Was anything actually done about it? My guess is nobody even got suspended, right?