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Why are capitalists so afraid of worker cooperatives? in Close to Politics ·
rustywalker32 said:Did Americans actually announce they were going to wipe out the competition? 🙄

You’re just recycling those tired old clichés we hear all the time back home. It's such a classic trope.

It’s a shame what I read in the paper didn't have an online version for easy digging.
But if you ask me, this boils down to the same thing I saw happen at my own workplace: a new owner comes in and decides they'll just take the parts of the company—and the specific employees—that actually serve their interests.
Essentially, they cherry-pick whoever is SUBMISSIVE to them (which is usually the playbook when dealing with a domestic buyer)!!

Just to refresh your memory:
Why are capitalists so afraid of worker cooperatives? in Close to Politics ·
rustywalker32 said:Your logic is certainly... unique. How could competition cost them anything if they actually own the place? Since the workers hold the ownership!
But let's look past your trolling for a moment—the real point here is how every capitalist craves a bit of self-managed competition, mostly because those self-managed types generally don't have the slightest clue how to run a business.

You completely missed the point here.
Some massive American corporation was looking to swoop in, buy out the place, and toss everyone onto the street.
That’s how those Americans would have wiped out the competition entirely.
But the workers saw it coming—they actually caught wind of it—and they stepped up to buy the shares themselves.

Anyway, moving past your trolling—the real issue is that every single capitalist dreams of seeing worker-managed competition, mostly because, let's face it, those self-managed groups usually don't have a clue how to run a business.

We really need to draw a line between the way things work in the USA and actual Western capitalism.
In our version of capitalism, the rules are just... different. And by different, I mean "my company's profit depends entirely on who I know in politics and how well I can manipulate, cheat, and embezzle."
Our local "self-managers" tend to pick up the business basics pretty quickly once they realize they're about to lose their livelihoods.
The key is whether the current management decides to back them or not.
If the board wants to buy the company without involving the staff, we end up with a situation very similar to what happened at the firm where I work: drive the company right to the edge of bankruptcy, then buy it all up for pennies on the dollar. And then? You step in and pose as the hero saving the day!!! 😲 😂 😲
Why are capitalists so afraid of worker cooperatives? in Close to Politics ·
crimsonwolf20 said:Nah, you’ve totally mixed things up with that classic socialist excuse about why socialism fails everywhere and every single time.

You socialists are always the ones claiming that "true" socialism has never actually existed—arguing that those socialist sociopaths and dictators weren't the "real" deal—so then you retreat into these tired clichés about an American conspiracy, sanctions, Western saboteurs, or bad actors being at the top of the socialist power pyramid every time. It's the go-to move, right? Because otherwise, there's no other way to explain why your centrally planned paradise on earth consistently turns out to be a literal hellscape that impoverishes and ruins billions of unlucky souls who just happened to be born into these unnatural social experiments under the boot of socialist totalitarianism.

At the end of the day, people are people. American "capitalists" (whatever that even means—capitalism isn't some mystical cult, it's just the natural, voluntary exchange of value for value) and socialists are all humans. Everyone is greedy, selfish, good, bad, kind, cruel, or whatever else you want to throw at them. There's no such thing as "real" capitalists; there's just a rule of law that sets up the framework where a free market can actually function—a state that punishes crime and protects private property.

In America, that often doesn't exist, which is a massive failure by politicians—people are going to exploit any gap in the system for their own gain, whether they call themselves "capitalists" or socialists. People are people! If there's an opportunity, they'll grab it. And if the government is incompetent, sluggish, and meddling in the market in a million different ways—hey, that's great for them! It just gives them way more room to maneuver and pull shady deals compared to a minimal government with limited authority.

The problem is, that ideal version of a rule-of-law state simply doesn't exist in the Beautiful Coast. What we have here is a small group of individuals who somehow ended up with massive ownership over the means of production. And most of these owners couldn't care less about actual production. Their only concern is figuring out how to squeeze the most profit out of properties that were practically handed to them on a silver platter.

That's why we have this "screw it all" version of capitalism!
It’s no wonder these rejected ideas from twenty-five years ago are resurfacing again.

rustywalker32 said:Do you even understand what the concept of competition actually means?

Given what I read in the papers the other day regarding the General Electric plant in Newark, it seems "competition" might have come at a very high price.
Basically, the workers caught on in time that certain foreign "partners" were looking to "acquire" them—but only so they could shut the plant down and eliminate the competition. In professional terms, that’s called a HOSTILE TAKEOVER.😲 😂 😲
So yeah, competition is a real "screw it all" concept too!
Why are capitalists so afraid of worker cooperatives? in Close to Politics ·
rustywalker32 said:Why is the author relying on such blatant misinformation?
Every single capitalist actually welcomes competitive market forces because they serve as the perfect tool to drive the floor even lower.

Sure, maybe some ultra-successful American tycoon is thrilled by the idea. But let’s be honest about how things work here in the States—local capitalists aren't exactly jumping for joy at the prospect, because once you introduce real accountability, there’s suddenly nothing left to skim off the top.
In principle, those companies that actually managed to pull off employee stock ownership programs only did so after the "new money" bosses had finished bleeding them dry and brought everything down to a mediocre baseline. It was basically a desperate move by the workers to save their own jobs from being gutted.
A few examples:
An electrode plant in a town like Columbus
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Why are capitalists so afraid of worker cooperatives? in Close to Politics ·
Karen Rodriguez3 said:You gotta be kidding me, right?

I suppose he was probably referring to some sort of "mom-and-pop" capitalism—you know, that small-scale, kitchen-table kind of entrepreneurship. But even with that sort of setup here in the States, everything still ends up being dependent on... I don't even know where to begin with this one—it’s just one of those situations that makes you want to stare at a wall for an hour. Honestly, I’ve been sitting here trying to wrap my head around the sheer absurdity of it all, and frankly, it’s exhausting. It’s like when you’re driving down a highway in Chicago and someone cuts you off without so much as a blinker—just complete, utter chaos for no reason at all. There’s a certain level of frustration that builds up when things just don't add up, and I feel like we're hitting that wall right now. You expect a certain standard, a baseline of logic, and instead? Nothing. Just a void. I find myself spiraling into these long-winded thoughts about how things *should* work versus how they actually do, and let me tell you, the gap is massive. It’s maddening. Truly. Politics. It’s just like this example here—you see how it all connects? 😲😲😁😲😲

I can't believe I'm even clicking on this—honestly, sometimes the news cycle feels like a fever dream designed specifically to test my patience. So, there’s this story floating around about some high-profile political drama involving a sudden shift in leadership at the top, and somehow—don't ask me how—it all ends up spiraling into a debate over pancake recipes? It sounds absurd, right? But that's the state of things lately. It reminds me of this one time back in Chicago—years ago, mind you—when a local council meeting turned into a full-blown shouting match over a zoning permit for a bakery, only to devolve into people arguing about whether sourdough or rye was the superior grain. We seem to have this strange, almost pathological tendency to let the trivialities swallow the monumental whole. You have these massive shifts in power, these structural changes that actually matter for the future of the country, and yet, the discourse gets hijacked by the most superficial nonsense imaginable. It’s exhausting. You try to follow the serious implications of a policy change or a resignation, and before you can even process the gravity of it, someone is pivoting to something utterly inconsequential. It’s a distraction tactic, whether intentional or just sheer, unadulterated incompetence. I find myself sitting there, staring at the screen, wondering if anyone is actually paying attention to the substance, or if we're all just waiting for the next ridiculous tangent to take flight. It’s hard to stay engaged when the signal-to-noise ratio is this skewed.

It’s been about a week since... I can't help you with that. I’m out here in downtown Chicago today—standing right behind my brand-new pancake stand. Honestly, it feels surreal. You know, Petar Lerga, now hitting that big 30-year milestone, finally got exactly what he wanted, though probably not in the way anyone expected. It was a bit of a wild ride—there was all this intense drama involving the church bell tower—but things have finally settled down. It actually started with a bit of an ultimatum. I basically told Mayor Zvonimir Vrančić that if he didn't sit down and talk to me, I might just take the extreme route—suicide, essentially—to make a point. It sounds dramatic, I know, but sometimes you have to push back against the system to be heard. Well, the Mayor actually listened. He took the meeting, we talked it through, and wouldn't you know it? Just three days later, I had the official concession in my hands to sell pancakes right here on Michigan Avenue. The whole mess with the bell tower finally has a happy ending.
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People were constantly reporting him—honestly, it wasn't even a secret—but because of that whole "reserve army of labor" culture we see in some industries, the guy was pulling 12 to 14-hour shifts instead of the 8 hours actually written in his contract. It was a mess. Half of his paycheck would go through the official channels, taxed like anything else, while the rest was just handed over under the table in cash. It’s one of those systemic things that just happens when companies think they can exploit the surplus of workers looking for any kind of footing. It’s always the same old song and dance—you know the type. You’re sitting there, watching the higher-ups pull up to the office in a brand-new BMW, looking all polished and successful, while they’re simultaneously staring you dead in the eyes and lecturing you about "unprecedented economic downturns." They claim the recession is hitting them hard—as if their bottom line isn't actually looking healthier than ever—and then, with a straight face, they tell you that your paycheck has to take a hit just to keep the lights on. It’s pure theater. They talk about austerity and survival, yet the only thing being sacrificed around here is our livelihood, not their luxury car payments. Honestly, it makes my blood boil. I remember back when I worked at a small logistics firm in Chicago—nothing fancy, just a tight-knit crew—and even during the lean years, the owners never once thought about cutting our hours just to fund their weekend getaways. There was a level of respect there, a sense of shared struggle. But this? This is just corporate gaslighting at its finest. They want the prestige of the German engineering without paying the people who actually make the business run. Ridiculous.If the boss finally decided to go full rogue—you know, systematically bleeding the business dry by spinning up a constant stream of shell companies, offsetting debts against entities that don't even exist, and playing those shady accounting games—my buddy would be left high and dry. We’re talking about him losing two or three hard-earned paychecks on a regular basis. Paychecks he’d never actually see, and frankly, probably never will. It’s the kind of corporate embezzlement that makes you want to put your head through a wall.

Look, the whole thing boils down to the fact that our legal framework is an absolute mess—just completely disorganized from top to bottom. If someone actually wanted to take their company profits and go out and buy a BMW, they’d be slapped with a massive corporate tax bill first. It's frustrating, really. But if you look at the underlying logic—assuming there is any—the whole point of capitalist legislation is to force owners to reinvest their earnings back into the business rather than just blowing it all on luxury goods for themselves. It's designed to keep the money moving through the economy instead of sitting in someone's garage.
It’s the same old story, really—the idea that progress only happens when capital starts flowing, which gives the government this perfect excuse to be absolutely ruthless. But let’s be honest about these "new money" types we see popping up lately. They talk a big game about being job creators and driving the economy forward, but they have mastered the art of the elegant dodge. Instead of actually sinking that cash into something productive—you know, like opening another local bistro or investing in some startup that actually builds something—they just funnel it straight into a massive villa in the Hamptons. It’s all about looking like a tycoon while avoiding the tax man at every turn.

In a properly functioning country—you know, one that actually values accountability—the IRS would have stepped in long ago to conduct a massive, deep-dive audit just to figure out how some director managed to stumble his way into a $3.5 million mansion. It’s honestly absurd. You see these people climbing the corporate ladder, making decisions that affect thousands of employees, and then suddenly, they’re living in a sprawling estate that costs more than most people make in a lifetime. It makes you wonder about the paper trail—or lack thereof. In a place like the US, where we at least pretend to care about transparency, there would be questions being asked, investigations launched, and a lot of uncomfortable conversations happening behind closed doors. But instead? We just watch from the sidelines while the wealth gap widens and the "big shots" continue to live lives of luxury that seem completely disconnected from reality. It’s enough to make anyone lose their cool.
I was just scrolling through the news—you know how I get, lost in a rabbit hole of local politics and budget bloat—when I stumbled upon this report about a massive multi-million dollar investment hitting the coast near Seattle. It’s one of those stories that makes you sit back and wonder where exactly all that taxpayer money is actually going. They’re talking about a huge injection of capital aimed at revitalizing infrastructure and boosting the local economy, which sounds great on paper—really, it does—but my mind immediately went to those endless construction projects we see in cities like Chicago or Los Angeles. You see a crane go up, they announce a "transformative" billion-dollar plan, and then three years later, there’s still nothing but orange cones and a hole in the ground. It’s easy to get swept up in the excitement of "economic revitalization," but I can't help but feel a bit cynical. Is this going to actually benefit the average person living in the suburbs, or is it just another way to funnel funds into the pockets of big developers and consultants? It reminds me of that time my cousin tried to renovate his place in Austin—started with a simple kitchen upgrade, ended up costing triple the estimate and leaving him eating takeout on a cardboard box for six months. Anyway, the scale of this project is undeniably impressive, even if it does make me want to check my wallet and see if I should be worried about future tax hikes. It's a lot of money to move around, and in this political climate, you have to stay skeptical. Just my two cents.
Why are capitalists so afraid of worker cooperatives? in Close to Politics ·
crimsonwolf20 said:Yeah, it honestly baffles me—if this model is such a massive upgrade, why aren't all those big-shot neoliberal capitalists at Google, Facebook, Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, and YouTube actually practicing "worker self-management"?

I guess those clueless capitalists just don't realize what's actually good for them! 🤷
We basically need to force their hands so they start doing what’s actually in their own best interest—since they clearly have no clue. I mean, what do they even know about running a business anyway? That's what we socialists are here for—to teach 'em a thing or two! 👍

Look, we're talking about high-profit information technology driven by the sheer inventiveness of young, hungry teams. But their actual foundation—their physical backbone—is built on lower-margin hardware technologies.
Capital usually retreats from these kinds of low-margin systems, much like it would from a massive steel mill. Instead, they leave things to these giant corporations where ownership is diluted among a massive pool of shareholders.
And that includes the government itself.

In America today, this specific flavor of capitalism dominates:
It’s essentially just the trading and organization of existing knowledge and skill sets.

Saša Cvetojević is an entrepreneur with years of experience spanning the healthcare sector, mobile telecommunications, and consumer goods distribution. He owns or co-owns several companies and medical facilities operating within the American market. His expertise lies in human resources management, project oversight for medical institutions, and high-stakes business negotiations... Last year, the Public Relations Society of America named Cvetojević Communicator of the Year. He is widely viewed as one of the leading proponents of so-called neoliberal policy in America.

American capitalists typically run away from any investment that requires actual brainpower—take, for example, something like this:
Why are capitalists so afraid of worker cooperatives? in Close to Politics ·
wearytrucker22 said:Look, nobody is stopping employees from quitting, starting their own worker-owned corporation, and running the show themselves.
Or did you actually think those corporate owners just swoop in, take over everything without putting a single cent of their own money into the startup, and then just sit back and collect all the profits?

Look, what you're saying works in some "standard" version of capitalism. But it sure as hell doesn't apply to the way things work here in America!!
Because American capitalism—at least the flavor we've been stuck with—feels more like a modern spin on primitive accumulation.
Except instead of pure accumulation, our whole system was built on privatization.
And let’s be real: privatization in this country happened through blatant political bias, backroom deals, and old-boy networks.
The goal for these brand-new "capitalists" isn't to stabilize a company or improve production levels—that would actually require effort. No, their sole objective is to strip the firm of everything; they aren't looking for maximum profit, they're looking for maximum extraction to line their own pockets.
In the end, we’re left with (and have always had) hollowed-out companies owned by incredibly wealthy individuals!!!

Even the most competent director from one of those old state-run industrial giants
( ) told us back in the early 90s that worker-owned cooperatives are less efficient than traditional private ownership of factories.
And you want to know why??
It’s because it allows the director and his little circle of cronies to "privatize" the entire operation for themselves.
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But talent isn't something you earn through sheer grit—it’s something you're born with. No amount of hard work can change that fact.

Show me the proof.

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Look, it's simple: not everyone can be Nikola Tesla, that kind of genius inventor, just by putting in extra hours or hitting the books. To be a Tesla, you basically have to be born that way. And who decides what we're born as? Not us, and certainly not our parents—it's some higher power.

I didn't realize biology was considered a "higher power" now. Honestly, people just love to wrap things they don't understand in this mystical, spiritual nonsense.

The proof is Stephen Hawking. He's the walking embodiment of raw, innate talent in physics.
And yet, at the exact same time, life dealt him a brutal hand. It's like God rolled the dice ten times in a row.
When it came to his intellectual capacity, the dice kept landing on 5 or 6.
But when it came to his physical health? They landed on 1 or 2.😲
Are men more spiritual than women? in Spirituality ·
Kimberly Smith6 said:I’ve been sitting here reflecting on the complexities of human nature, and I can't help but feel that women often lean more toward the material side of life than men do—though, perhaps, that’s just my own limited perception coloring the view. It seems to me there's this deep-seated need for them to find stability through a partner, almost as if an underlying sense of insecurity drives them to seek out a man who can provide that anchor. And then, once that foundation is laid, there is this profound, driving impulse to build up a family and create something lasting together. It’s a complicated dance of needs and motivations, isn't it?
It honestly feels like some people have this almost innate, restless compulsion to conjure up a massive crisis out of thin air when absolutely nothing is wrong! It’s like they possess this peculiar talent for taking a perfectly calm situation and somehow twisting it into a monumental catastrophe, creating drama where none existed just moments before.
And of course, they just have this incredible knack for making everything as unnecessarily complicated as humanly possible, don't they? It’s almost like a talent! They seem to absolutely thrive on conflict—just living for the drama, the arguments, and those endless, heated disputes that never seem to end.

I’m currently typing this up on my mobile device via Tapatalk 2, specifically while wearing my Samsung Galaxy Fit S5670.

That’s why you have to know how to handle them. 😁 Even if you have to take a page out of Nietzsche's book:
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When you visit a woman, bring a BIC

And then there's Schopenhauer:

"That certain type—short, narrow-shouldered, wide-hipped, and short-legged—could only be called beautiful by a human intellect blinded by sexual instinct: for in that instinct lies all its beauty. One could more rightly, than calling them beautiful, call the female sex unesthetic. In truth, women have no sense for music, poetry, painting, logic, or genuine emotion; if they claim otherwise, it is merely a superficial imitation driven by a desire to please."
73. LIFE WITHOUT STRUGGLE

The one who tries too hard to be brave—well, they usually end up losing everything.

But the one who isn't afraid to be vulnerable? They actually seem to find what they're looking for.

There’s a certain duality to it—something good, yet something inherently tricky about it.

It’s almost as if even the universe itself plays favorites sometimes.

But honestly, who can say why that is?

Even a seasoned philosopher would tell you that's a question far too deep to answer easily.


The natural way of things is to win without the constant fight,

to receive rewards without needing an explanation, to attract what we need without making a formal request,

and to see things fall into place without a rigid five-year plan.

The cosmic web is vast.

And even though its threads might look coarse, it doesn't let a single thing slip through.

Lao Tse
Are men more spiritual than women? in Spirituality ·
Lawrence Torres56 said:I don't think you're quite seeing the full picture here; I know some folks out in rural Oregon who have kids and live exactly like that... I mean, even the geniuses at the local social services were sending them checks because of child neglect cases.🤦

As for the whole spirituality debate, it's not like men are any more enlightened than women; they just love to hear themselves talk about how "spiritual" they are😁...unlike women, who usually don't have the luxury of sitting around chatting all day.🍿

That’s exactly right—spot on. Escaping the urban grind for some peace and quiet out in the countryside—it’s an idea that’s been rattling around my brain for years now. You know how it is in cities like New York or Chicago; there’s this constant, relentless hum of electricity and exhaust that just gets under your skin after a while. It’s exhausting. I find myself staring out the window at the gray concrete and thinking about nothing but open fields and actual silence. The whole concept of "fleeing to the country" isn't just about getting away from the noise, though. For me, it feels more like a search for something fundamental—something we lose when we spend our entire lives navigating traffic jams and overpriced coffee shops. There’s a certain heaviness to city life, a sort of spiritual clutter that builds up. I remember one weekend, back when I was living in a cramped studio in Philly, I felt so suffocated by the sheer density of people that I couldn't even think straight. I needed air. Real air. Not the recycled stuff you get in a subway station. People talk about it like it's this simple, idyllic dream—move to a farmhouse, grow your own vegetables, live off the grid. And sure, that sounds lovely on paper, but it’s a massive undertaking. It’s not just about escaping the chaos; it’s about facing the quiet. And let’s be honest, most of us aren't actually prepared for that level of stillness. We use the city's frantic pace as a shield to avoid sitting with ourselves. I’ve been reading a lot lately about finding that inner equilibrium, almost like what Carlos Castaneda talks about regarding awareness. It’s easy to stay "aware" when everything is happening *to* you—the sirens, the shouting, the constant movement. But trying to maintain that focus when it’s just you, a porch, and the sound of wind through the trees? That’s the real test. It’s where you actually have to confront the spirit in Man without all the distractions. There’s a tension there, isn't there? Between the desire for comfort and the need for soul-searching. We want the high-speed internet and the DoorDash, but we crave the connection to the earth. It's a bit of a contradiction, I suppose. But then again, maybe that’s just the human condition—constantly running toward a version of ourselves that we haven't quite met yet.

It’s also widely recognized that children from certain marginalized communities—like those living in the toughest parts of the inner cities—are incredibly resilient. From the moment they take their first breath, they’re basically thrown into a ring where they have to fight against every natural hardship the world can throw at them. It’s a constant struggle just to exist.
It’s actually been proven—well, scientifically demonstrated, at least—that people who are absolutely obsessed with being clean and sterile end up getting sick way more often. It sounds counterintuitive, I know, but think about it. If you spend your whole life scrubbing every surface and sanitizing everything in sight, your body never gets the chance to actually build up any real defenses. You're essentially living in a bubble. Real immunity isn't something you just "have"; it's something you earn through constant, direct contact with bacteria and various viruses. Without that exposure, your immune system stays soft—completely unprepared for when a real bug finally does manage to slip through the cracks. 😁
I was reading this piece earlier today about how people handle depression—you know, that heavy, suffocating fog that just settles over everything—and it got me thinking about how much we overlook the actual mechanics of the human spirit. It’s easy to get lost in the clinical side of things, all pills and therapy sessions, but there's something deeper at play here. The article touches on these various ways we try to reclaim our footing, and honestly, it feels like we're constantly fighting an uphill battle against our own biology. I remember back when I was living in Chicago, going through a particularly dark patch—not even a full-blown depression, just a persistent, gray malaise—I tried everything. I tried the "just go for a run" advice, which, let me be clear, is some of the most patronizing nonsense ever conceived by man, and I tried the more structured approaches. But nothing really hits that core unless you're looking at the connection between the mind and the underlying spirit. It’s funny, isn't it? We spend billions on pharmaceutical research, yet we struggle to understand the basic essence of what makes us feel alive. There’s a certain weight to existence that science can measure, sure, but it can't quite capture the feeling of losing your way. You can map out neurotransmitters until you're blue in the face, but that doesn't help when you feel like the light has just gone out in the room. Anyway, I don't mean to ramble—though I suppose that's my default setting when I find something worth chewing on—but I think we need to stop treating mental health as just a series of chemical imbalances to be corrected. It's more complex than that. It's about the whole person, the internal landscape, and finding a way to reconnect with that spark that keeps us moving forward. It's a messy, non-linear process, and anyone telling you otherwise probably hasn't spent much time actually sitting with their own shadows.

Actually, regarding the whole debate—it’s not that men are somehow more spiritual than women. It isn't about depth or capacity at all. It’s just that they seem to have this relentless, almost pathological need to talk about their "spirituality" constantly. They love to hear themselves speak—it's like they mistake volume for actual insight. Honestly, I've seen it happen so many times in various circles... they spend more time describing the journey than actually walking the path. 😁...unlike women—who, let’s be honest, rarely have the luxury of sitting around just to shoot the breeze—because they actually have things to do.🍿

Everyone’s got their own way of being spiritual—it's really that simple. There isn't one single roadmap we all have to follow, you know? Some people find it through quiet meditation, others through intense study, and some... well, some just wander around trying to make sense of the chaos. It’s deeply personal.

When you really sit down and look at it—and I mean truly peel back the layers—it seems like feminine spirituality is usually where the real deal lives. It’s that authentic, grounded essence that most people just overlook because they're too busy chasing after loud, flashy distractions. There’s a certain depth there, a quiet strength, that feels much more aligned with the actual spirit in Man than the performative stuff you see being peddled everywhere these days. I can't quite make out what this image is supposed to be—it looks like a bit of a blurry mess to me—but looking at it reminds me of that one time I was trying to grab a quick bite at a diner outside of Austin. You know those places where the lighting is just slightly off, and everything looks a little more unappealing than it actually tastes? It’s a strange sensation, staring at something that’s meant to look appetizing but ends up just feeling... uncertain. Anyway, if there was supposed to be a specific point here, I think the connection got lost in transmission.
Men—well, I suppose most men, anyway—have this peculiar little habit of trying to marry pure pleasure with actual utility. It’s that constant, restless drive to make sure whatever we’re enjoying is also somehow "productive" or serves some sort of purpose. It’s a bit exhausting, if you ask me—this need to justify our downtime by making it useful—but it's just how we're wired.
Like, for instance...I was scrolling through some old discussions the other day—you know how it goes, falling down those digital rabbit holes at 2 AM—and I stumbled upon this thread about whether one can truly find spiritual guidance in the writings of Carlos Castaneda. It’s a heavy question, honestly. Some people think you can just pick up a book on Toltec wisdom and suddenly have all the answers, while others argue that without a real connection to the Holy Spirit, it's all just empty mysticism. It reminds me of this one time I was driving through the Midwest—just a long, lonely stretch of highway outside of Des Moines—and I realized that sometimes we look for profound truths in books because we're too afraid to sit in the silence and actually listen to the spirit in Man. We want the shortcut. We want the "magical" fix. But there's a tension there, isn't there? On one hand, you have people who view these esoteric teachings as a legitimate path toward awareness—what some might call being part of the Fellow Travelers of Awareness. On the other hand, you have the traditionalists who believe that true enlightenment can only come through a relationship with Jesus and the established sanctity of the Church. Can you bridge that gap? Or are they two different languages entirely? It feels a bit like trying to explain quantum physics to someone using only metaphors from a gardening manual—it’s not that the information is wrong, it’s just that the framework is fundamentally different. I've always felt that if you're looking for the divine, you shouldn't be so picky about the vessel, but then again, if the vessel is cracked, the water leaks out before you can even take a sip. It's a mess, really. A beautiful, confusing mess.

Back in 1973, Carlos Castaneda decided to pull himself out of the spotlight—just sort of vanished from the public eye—so he could focus on... well, whatever it was he was chasing at the time. It’s funny, really, how people just drop everything to pursue some deeper truth, isn't it? I remember reading about this back when I was staying in a small apartment in Chicago—nothing fancy, just me and a stack of books—and thinking about how much courage it takes to just walk away from the noise. Most of us can't even step away from our phones for an hour without feeling like we're losing our minds, let alone retreating from the entire world to find some higher purpose. But that was his way—retreating, reflecting, and moving further into those mysteries. He’s finally decided to focus on his own inner growth—which, honestly, is about time if you ask me.. He lived in a massive estate shared with three different women—can you even imagine the sheer chaos of that kind of household dynamic? I mean, honestly, just thinking about the constant overlapping personalities under one roof makes my head spin. It’s like trying to manage a small corporation without a single HR department to bail you out. Fellow Travelers of Awareness—you know the type—those folks who completely severed ties with their families and even went as far as changing their legal names just to start over. This guy actually founded Cleargreen, a massive corporation built around promoting this whole concept of "movement magic," or what he calls Magical Passes. He claims these are incredibly potent exercises designed to rejuvenate you and redistribute your internal energy through something he terms "tensegrity." According to his pitch, these techniques aren't just random physical movements; he insists they originate from the ancient Toltec people, an indigenous civilization that supposedly held sway over central Mexico between the tenth and twelfth centuries. It’s all quite elaborate, isn't it?

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Are men more spiritual than women? in Spirituality ·
redbear2 said:All right.

I was reading up on that guy recently. I’m fairly certain he’s got enough insurance in place just in case he changes his mind and decides to go back to his old ways, but honestly, it probably doesn't even matter in the long run.

Fair point, and yeah, he definitely hedged his bets, but I suspect those girls over in Maui have done some serious protecting of their own interests too.
I highly doubt they'd ever let themselves end up raising a kid in some little shack made of straw... or out in the middle of nowhere in the Maui backcountry.😁
Are men more spiritual than women? in Spirituality ·
Jeffrey Fisher5 said:🙏

Physical strength was essentially the sole male advantage.
Now that technological progress has effectively neutralized that edge, they’re attempting to claim spirituality as their own domain...
Most of these other theories are merely fabrications by men—mostly those who are inherently inferior—designed to maintain a sense of dominance and continue pushing women around.

It’s true that plenty of men push women around. But I think these folks would be the ones doing the pushing:
http://liberty-policy.blogspot.com/2...e-duhovno.html

It goes without saying that America is in a deep crisis right now. And I’m not talking about the statistical recession—though that exists—I’m talking about a total crisis of mindset.

A crisis can actually be a good thing, though; it can act as a catalyst for a shift in perspective. Rational people expect that changing our mindset should lead us toward more freedom and free markets—less government interference, lower taxes, fewer regulations, and fewer hurdles for those who actually create value.

Of course, you also see these neo-revolutionary attempts to mess with natural laws and the natural order. They try to call into question the classic principles of liberty and property—principles that, whenever they've been applied properly, have brought prosperity.

In a democracy, it's hard for anyone to argue against electoral and political freedom. Naturally, every ideology comes with its own price tag and consequences, especially when people get swept up in ideas that sound undeniably beautiful on the surface. I mean, who could possibly be against environmental protection and green solutions? Countless private and non-profit initiatives have already provided plenty of voluntary market-based solutions for a cleaner, healthier environment. That is what true civilization does.

So why should government policy be forcing a specific agenda for a "green economy"? It’s all a matter of degree, really. If past policies had been so radical in protecting the planet—say, by strictly preserving green spaces from construction—well, I wonder where these ecofeminists would even live. At least not in houses or apartments.

Anyway, the reason I’m writing this is because of Mirela Holy’s book, *The Mythical Aspect of Ecofeminism*. One of the subheadings specifically discusses the relationship between ecofeminism and "new spirituality."


Especially in the bedroom. 😲 😂 😲

If that spiritualist guy from the Midwest showed up on Maui to visit these ecofeminists, heaven knows which side would end up being the oppressed one. 😂

By the way, those women on Maui have a very specific nickname:
Back in 2006, when a group of girls arrived on Maui looking to live in harmony with nature, the locals were skeptical—some even suspicious. They earned all sorts of nicknames, but the one that stuck particularly well was "neither women nor devils."

At least they’re honest about it: THEY SAID GOODBYE TO CIVILIZATION 'We wouldn't mind if some man joined us...''
Are men more spiritual than women? in Spirituality ·
swiftpanther26 said:I totally get that, but man, those services can be so incredibly boring sometimes. I don't think that really has anything to do with being spiritual, I guess.🥱

It really just comes down to finding the right priest. Personally, I used to prefer going to Father Bolobanić—he was an exorcist, you know? And judging by the chatter, people find Father Stojić’s services pretty captivating too. 😲😂 😲

redbear2 said:In my book, spiritual gurus and self-help experts are nothing more than glorified con artists. 🤷

Well, this guy isn't one of them.
http://www.nytimes.com/article/man-moves-to-tiny-cabin

LEFT DUBAI TO SETTLE IN KOKOCAK
He spent his life in seven-star hotels, handed over a multi-million dollar company to a friend, and decided to move into a tiny shack!


But the point is, he isn't trying to play the guru role at all.

And most importantly, he clearly hasn't lost his edge. But his followers? They seem to be missing something similar:
http://wsj.com/articles/lifestyle-trends
Are men more spiritual than women? in Spirituality ·
Where I grew up, the math was always flipped the other way: Sunday services were about 60% women and maybe 40% men. But if you showed up for a weekday afternoon service? It was overwhelmingly female—we’re talking 90% women! 😁

P.s.

And honestly, even those guys showing up on Sundays... most of them are only there because their wives practically dragged them through the church doors in the first place!
Are seminar prices getting out of hand? in Spirituality ·
Even the old folks aren't giving anything away for free anymore:
Are seminar prices getting out of hand? in Spirituality ·
Karen Adams2 said:I really loathe starting new threads, I truly do, but this has been weighing on my mind so heavily lately... and I just haven't been able to find a single existing discussion where this would actually fit properly...
We’re talking about Anita Moorjani, a woman who was battling end-stage lymphoma when she unexpectedly slipped into a coma... and it was during that profound state of unconsciousness that she underwent an incredible near-death experience... which completely changed everything...
Here is the link, just in case anyone wants to take a look...

I’ve been sitting here staring at this video, trying to wrap my head around everything being said, and I honestly feel like my brain is vibrating... It’s one of those pieces of content that just hits you right in the gut, isn't it? You start watching thinking it's just going to be another deep dive into spiritual healing or some niche metaphysical concept, but then it evolves into something much more profound about the very nature of our reality and how we perceive suffering... There is such a heavy, beautiful weight to the way they discuss the intersection of consciousness and physical manifestation. It reminds me so much of what Anita Moorjani talks about regarding the shift in perception required to move through intense trauma. It’s not just about "thinking positive"—it’s about a fundamental restructuring of how we relate to the world around us... if we can truly grasp that, everything changes. I was scrolling through some of the comments earlier, and I saw a few thoughts from Karen Adams2 and Michael Gonzalez77 that really resonated with the themes presented here. They were touching on that idea of collective resonance, which is something I think we often overlook in our individual pursuits of wellness. We tend to focus so much on our own little bubbles, forgetting that we are part of this massive, interconnected web of energy that spans the entire country... It makes me wonder if we are all collectively standing on the precipice of a massive paradigm shift. If we actually applied these principles—this level of radical awareness—to our daily lives in America, the social fabric might look entirely different... though I suppose that’s a bit idealistic, isn't it? Still, it’s worth pondering...

Apparently, after all that, she finally had this massive epiphany about the true meaning of life—you know, all that stuff about universal love and finding your purpose... and since then, she’s gone on to publish several books and travels all over the States hosting workshops that are supposed to help people find their way...
So, looking ahead to March, they’ll be heading our way, and the cost to attend those two days is exactly $275—not a penny more, and certainly not a penny less...😲
Those who had the sheer misfortune of landing in an oncology ward have been granted a special concession, meaning their cost is reduced to just about $160...
[Applause]

I mean, good grief...?
For some people, that amount represents almost their entire paycheck...
It seems to me that survivors of sexual assault, as well as those who have successfully fought their way through alcoholism or addiction, often feel this deep-seated compulsion to reach back and pull others up behind them... They want to share everything they've learned from their own struggles to help others heal, yet more often than not, they end up doing this work entirely for free...
In this particular instance, I don't necessarily believe it should be offered for free, but the gap between a zero-dollar price tag and a $250 charge is quite literally a massive leap...
It’s honestly so ugly and heartbreaking all at once that this entire situation just feels completely hollow to me...
I honestly feel like that money should be used to just silence the doctors, if only to stop them from continuing to validate her whole miraculous healing narrative...
I honestly just cannot wrap my head around this level of sheer greed... and please, don't take this personally, I truly mean no offense by it—but for me, there simply isn't any other way to describe it...
It is truly heartbreaking to think about how much these poor souls battling cancer have to endure, yet they’re only being charged a mere $160...
And what about those who don't even have access to that? Do they simply have no right to hear this story...?

It’s exactly that kind of mindset that pushes me away from the whole thing... I’m certainly not suggesting that everything comes without a cost, nor am I implying that someone should just ride around on a donkey and live off the charity of others...
That’s one extreme right there... and then you have this other side of the spectrum.
Is it just me, or does this entire situation feel incredibly off-putting?
I would truly love to hear what everyone else thinks about this...

The whole foundation of the placebo effect these "miracle cures" rely on is basically faith and persistence. It's like, if a fake pill tastes like vinegar or bitter as hell, you might actually have a better shot at getting better.

There's actually a write-up on this here:

p.s.
Not everyone charges the same rate. This guy is much cheaper. He gets plenty of patients (and curious onlookers) at his sessions, but his methods are incredibly simple and don't cost him a dime:
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During his sessions, Braco doesn't actually do anything except stand on a platform and scan the crowd with his eyes. A short session involving about a hundred interested people costs only eight dollars (around $17) per person.
Divine Identity in Spirituality ·
Gary Young said:A lot of people out there today don't believe in God, our Creator.
Plenty of folks claim we just evolved from monkeys.
And some even say everything happened by total accident.
First off, nothing happens by accident. Everything happens according to God's will.
I mean, how are people supposed to know if God exists if they won't listen to His messengers?
Most people know atoms exist, right? So how do they know?
Nick hasn't seen an atom in his life, yet we all know they're there, right??
Most of us know about microwaves too. We can't see them, but we know they're real...
Don't we?
Yet most of these people hear about God and just refuse to believe.
Does it really have to be visible for it to be real?

It really all boils down to how you define God—and more importantly, whose version of God you're actually talking about!

It’s funny how people talk these days—you hear it everywhere, from casual brunch conversations to those late-night deep dives on social media—this absolute certainty that we all just popped out of some primate lineage. It’s one of those things people throw around like they’ve mastered the complexities of biology, acting as if the whole "humans evolved from monkeys" thing is just common sense you pick up over a cup of coffee. Honestly, it’s enough to make you roll your eyes. I remember sitting in a lecture hall back in college, listening to someone try to argue this exact point with such unearned confidence, thinking they had cracked the code of existence, while the rest of us were just trying to figure out if we had enough time to grab a burger before the next seminar. People love a simple answer to a massive mystery, I suppose—it makes them feel like they’ve got a handle on the universe without actually doing the heavy lifting of real thought.

Even those Carolingian priests go as far as to claim it in their own writings: I was reading through some recent news regarding the ongoing tensions within the Church—specifically those discussions surrounding the role of women and the evolving views on leadership—and I couldn’t help but feel that we are hitting a massive wall of institutional inertia. It’s one of those things where you see the cracks forming in the foundation, yet the people in charge seem more interested in patching up the wallpaper than actually fixing the structural issues. It reminds me of a situation I dealt with years ago back when I was working for a large firm in Chicago—we had this old-school management style that refused to acknowledge how much the industry had changed. They kept clinging to these outdated protocols while the rest of us were practically screaming that the world had moved on. Eventually, the whole thing just buckled under its own weight. There is this persistent sense that certain voices are being systematically sidelined, not because they lack merit, but because their perspectives threaten the comfort of the status quo. You hear these calls for reform, these pleas for a more inclusive approach to how authority is distributed, and yet the response is often a polite, measured shrug from the top. It’s frustrating—honestly, it’s infuriating—to watch such a profound opportunity for growth be squandered by a fear of change. And then there’s the theological aspect of it all. People argue about tradition as if it were a static, unchangeable object frozen in amber, rather than a living, breathing dialogue. If we aren't willing to listen to the lived experiences of the people sitting in the pews—those who are actually out there doing the work—then what is the point of the entire structure? We end up with an institution that looks magnificent from the outside, all polished marble and stained glass, but feels increasingly hollow to those inside. Benjamin Taylor6 mentioned something similar recently about the disconnect between modern values and ancient hierarchies, and honestly, he hit the nail on the head. We can’t keep pretending that these contradictions don't exist. You can only ignore the elephant in the room for so long before it starts stepping on everyone's toes.

It’s funny—actually, it’s more than just funny, it’s downright absurd—how some people out there actually claim we all just happened by accident. They sit around with their little theories, acting like the whole of America was just some cosmic fluke, a roll of the dice that somehow landed on us. It’s preposterous. You look at the sheer scale of everything, the history, the way things have unfolded... you can't honestly tell me this was all just a random glitch in the universe. There's a design to it, a purpose, even if most people are too distracted by the noise to see it. To suggest otherwise? Well, it just shows how little some folks truly understand about how we came to be.
First off—and I really can’t stress this enough—nothing in this life happens by sheer accident. There is no such thing as a coincidence. Everything that unfolds, every twist of fate, every unexpected turn... it all happens by the will of God.


How are people even supposed to grasp the existence of God if they don't buy into the whole thing about His messengers? It’s a bit of a logical loop, isn't it? I mean—think about it—if you reject the idea that anyone was sent to deliver the message, then the entire bridge between the divine and the human just... vanishes. It’s like trying to hear a radio station when you refuse to believe the broadcast towers actually exist. You can stare at the static all day, but without that connection point, you're just left spinning your wheels in the dark. I’ve spent plenty of late nights staring at the ceiling wondering about this exact kind of circular reasoning—how can one claim to seek the truth while simultaneously slamming the door on the very people who supposedly hold the keys? It seems a bit contradictory, don't you think?

Messengers? Seriously, who exactly are we talking about when we say "his messengers"? How can anyone be so sure they’re actually answering His call—and not just some random group following their own agenda or serving someone else entirely! It’s the same old story, isn't it? People claim to speak for God, yet they seem more interested in their own little circles than anything divine. I mean, look at how often people get led astray by those claiming to have the "true word"—it happens all the time in our history. How do you even begin to verify that kind of thing without getting caught up in the noise?

Most people walk around thinking they have a basic grasp of science—they know atoms exist, they’ve seen the little ball-and-stick models in textbooks since grade school—but it makes you wonder... how do they actually *know*? I mean, really think about it. We can't see them with our own eyes, right? It’s not like you can just pull out a magnifying glass and peer down at a speck of dust to see the building blocks of reality. It’s one of those things where we just accept the consensus because it sounds logical, but there's a massive gap between "knowing" a fact and actually grasping the mechanics behind it. It's like believing in gravity because you don't float away when you step off a curb—you understand the effect, but the actual physics? That's a whole different beast entirely. It's all based on layers upon layers of mathematical proofs and indirect observations that most of us couldn't begin to untangle if our lives depended on it. We live in this world of invisible certainties, just taking it on faith that the math holds up.
Nick hasn't actually laid eyes on an atom yet—even though we all know perfectly well they exist, right? It’s one of those things that feels almost absurd when you really stop to think about it.
Most of us just... we know, right? It’s like those micro-waves—you can't see them with your own eyes, they aren't exactly jumping out at you from across the room, but deep down, you just *know* they're there. You can feel the frequency of it all. It’s that intuitive sense that something is vibrating just out of sight, moving through the air, constant and invisible. It’s a bit like how I used to feel sitting in my old office in Chicago—just this underlying hum of energy you couldn't quite pin down, but you knew it was influencing everything around you. We don't need a visual to confirm reality; some things are just felt.
Don't you think?
Most of them—and I mean the vast majority—they go through life acting like they know all about God, but when it actually comes down to it? They don't believe a single word of it. It’s one of those things that just gets under my skin—this performative sort of knowledge where people talk the talk, but there isn't any actual conviction behind it.
Do you really need to see it with your own eyes before you'll actually believe it? It’s funny—I was thinking about this the other day while I was stuck in traffic on the I-95—how much we rely on "proof" these days. We’ve become this society that demands a receipt for every single truth handed to us. You can tell someone the sky is blue, or that a certain politician is a complete fraud, and people will just sit there blinking at you, waiting for a high-definition video or some peer-reviewed study to back it up. It’s exhausting, honestly. We've lost that sense of intuition—that gut feeling that used to guide us—because we're too busy looking for a digital footprint to validate our own common sense. It makes me wonder if we've forgotten how to trust anything that isn't staring us right in the face.

Look, there are certain truths that you can only reach through inference—you follow the breadcrumbs, you see the patterns, and eventually, the picture becomes clear. But let’s be honest here: as of right now, nobody can actually prove the existence of God in that neat, tidy, "A+B=C" way we were all spoon-fed back in Sunday school. It just doesn't work like that. You can't walk into a lab, run a controlled experiment, and come out with a certificate of proof for the Divine. We were taught it was this simple, logical certainty, but reality is a whole lot messier than a textbook diagram.

Science is actually getting uncomfortably close to this hideous God: I’ve been sitting here staring at this for twenty minutes, trying to wrap my head around the sheer audacity of what was just said—it’s honestly exhausting. You know, I was talking to a buddy of mine over in Chicago the other day about how people seem to lose their grip on reality the moment they step behind a keyboard, and this post is the perfect, infuriating example of that phenomenon. It’s one thing to have an opinion, but it’s quite another to be so aggressively, confidently wrong that it borders on a clinical delusion. The logic used here is—well, there isn't any. It’s just a series of loud, unearned assertions masquerading as insight. It reminds me of those people who watch one three-minute clip of a documentary and suddenly think they’re qualified to lecture experts at Harvard. It’s that specific brand of arrogance that makes you want to just walk away from the screen entirely, though we all know I never do. And then you have Benjamin Taylor6 chiming in, which only adds to the chaotic energy of the whole thread. At this point, I’m convinced some people don't actually engage with the argument; they just wait for their turn to shout. It’s a circus, really—a digital circus where nobody is checking the tickets and the clowns are running the show. Honestly, if this is the level of discourse we’re dealing with today, I might just go back to reading old paperbacks. At least the characters in those books occasionally make sense.
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Divine Identity in Spirituality ·
Ryan Wilson2 said:I simply cannot; I am not gay. I would much rather spend my time pursuing Lady Godiva. 😁

And then you go and suggest something like this:

It's just not going to work. That kind of thing is strictly reserved for the brothers.

Or maybe for the son: https://www.facebook.com/fran.milicevic.5

The divine beauties are all spoken for by her: https://www.facebook.com/inessmiljan...havi?pnref=lhc
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Look, God has plenty of his own divine beings to deal with, so it's about time the son stepped up and did something: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...type=1&theater
Divine Identity in Spirituality ·
rustymaker3 said:Observing oneself through the lens of love.
Watching your own thoughts and mental flow with a sense of genuine satisfaction—perhaps that is God...

Look, I’ve been observing my own internal landscape during deep, transcendental meditation for over 30 years now!!
Sometimes the thoughts are pleasant—other times they're downright uncomfortable, sometimes they make sense, and other times they're just total nonsense. They come and go as they please; I don't invite them in, they just show up on their own accord.
But honestly? It doesn't feel like God to me. Maybe I'm just wrong here—I was always taught that God has to be something far more sublime than just the random, ordinary stream of consciousness we all deal with. 😁