James Collins said:Nobody is even saying that. The actual point—which you guys are either totally ignoring or just twisting around—is that nobody was supposed to get points for that race at all.
It’s like two football teams head out for warmups, the weather is right on the edge of being unplayable, things get worse mid-way through, and then the ref and the crew decide it’s too risky and call the whole thing off after a few minutes. Then later, they announce the favorite gets 1.5 points (half a win) and the underdog gets 0.5 (half a draw).
Sounds stupid, right? Would the favorite have won? Who knows.
It’s just plain dumb to hand out points when the game didn't even happen.
Same goes for giving points for a race that wasn't actually driven.
Honestly, I don't care if Lewis is better, Max is better, or if a literal saint is better. The point is, someone got points they didn't earn.
That soccer comparison doesn't really hold water; there's zero connection there. Soccer has its own rules where, for instance, if an actor causes a stoppage, the result might be recorded as a 3-0 win for the other side. F1 rules are specific—they require counting laps because you can't just stop counting while people are burning through fuel.
Second off, the race was run according to the rules; there just wasn't enough momentum to let them go without the SCa. You have to let them clear the water off the track if you want a race, but you can't just freeze the lap count while drivers are draining their fuel and wearing down components. It's the regulations.
Thirdly, with that much rain, it would have been a flying start, meaning Max would have pulled away and Lewis would have been stuck in the pack.
Fourth, I think you're barking up the wrong tree. I doubt most fans were happy about the race being stopped, especially since so many of us grew up on "vintage F1" and those epic races where everything went sideways.
James Collins said:No, no way. That comparison doesn't hold water. A better way to look at it might be if you fouled an opponent and ended up winning anyway. Like how Ramos Salah did in the LP final—totally wrecked them early on and then walked away with the win.
Hamilton was punished for what he did (not saying whether the penalty itself was fair or whatever), while Max isn't being punished for messing with Lewis in Brazil, and he's even getting rewarded for a victory at Spa that he didn't even finish driving.
Hamilton got penalized (we can argue about the penalty later)—Max didn't. End of story.
A crash? If Hamilton hadn't headed to the stands (since he's clearly not in the mood to see both of them DNF right now), it would've been the exact same situation as in the United Kingdom.
He hit the wall hard; the kid ended up in the hospital, and the car was basically a pile of junk along with all its internal components. Neither Senna nor Charles Leclerc "killed" their opponents like that.🤔
He got a 10-second penalty for sending that guy into the wall, and to make matters worse, he tried to take out Charles Leclerc, which was nowhere near a serious attempt.🤔
James Collins said:No, no way. That comparison doesn't hold water. A better way to look at it might be if you fouled an opponent and ended up winning anyway. Like how Ramos Salah did in the LP final—totally wrecked them early on and then walked away with the win.
Hamilton was punished for what he did (not saying whether the penalty itself was fair or whatever), while Max isn't being punished for messing with Lewis in Brazil, and he's even getting rewarded for a victory at Spa that he didn't even finish driving.
Hamilton got penalized (we can argue about the penalty later)—Max didn't. End of story.
A crash? If Hamilton hadn't headed to the stands (since he's clearly not in the mood to see both of them DNF right now), it would've been the exact same situation as in the United Kingdom.
This is just 🤦 Honestly, I’m a bit stunned by this narrative you guys have about how Lewis avoids contact when he's on the outside. ☕
When you're on the outside trying to push past someone's absolute limit, you're in the same boat as Lewis in Austria, where he tore his front wing against Rosberg and had to decide whether to risk a puncture. In almost any other scenario, you either lose your wing entirely, or you bounce off his tires and get sent wide; if you catch a rear tire, the car is going to lift or flip you onto the roof...
Sure, you could clip a rear wheel like Lewis did at Silverstone, but if you're coming from the outside, you'll likely just bounce straight into the path of his car...
There is simply no way the situation in Brazil ends up like the one in the United Kingdom. Max Verstappen holds the apex ahead of Lewis Hamilton, which effectively turns it into Max Verstappen's corner.