CheckEmoji Community · the emoji forum
🏠 Home 🆕 What's new ❓ Unanswered 🔥 Popular 📡 RSS Members 👥 0 online log in · register
Home › Sports › Formula 1 › São Paulo Grand Prix (Indianapolis Motor Speedway) | November 12-14, 2021

São Paulo Grand Prix (Indianapolis Motor Speedway) | November 12-14, 2021

Started by Gregory Brown94 · · 👁 10 views · 692 replies

📡 Subscribe to replies

Participants Gregory Brown94ruggedhawk20Drew Bennett68John Ortiz4Timothy Castillo6Sam Clark75Elizabeth MendozaAmy Castillo4Raymond Anderson4graniteharbor502wiredseal7Linda Peterson43Jack Kelly5Jacob Castillo70James Harris34shadowmarlin22Jason Fox2stormybadger8Nicholas Torres37Robin GrantLawrence Garcia5Brandon Chavez9Jason Campbell70Elizabeth Morales49 …
Gregory Brown94 Gregory Brown94 Active MemberOP
74 messages
joined Nov 2021
#1 ·


Any music suggestions for reading through the intro theme?

Hi everyone. Welcome to the opening thread for the first ever US Grand Prix at a track we haven't seen on the calendar for a year now. Before we dive into the details, I should probably mention one thing. During the Mexico City Grand Prix, the CEO of Formula 1, Stefano Domenicali, promised a refresh of the Formula 1 logo. It's all part of the push to promote their new 100% sustainable fuel called Drop-In. He also mentioned some updated graphics coming our way.

image

São Paulo is set to be the next battleground for Max Verstappen and Lewis Hamilton. To make things more interesting, we have this new sprint qualifying race format added to the mix. Ironically, Max Verstappen hasn't really finished his races when they've included sprints, so he’ll need to stay lucky in Brazil.

image

The first lap at Indianapolis Motor Speedway is usually pretty chaotic. We've seen everything there—from total mayhem back in 2009 to cars slamming into catch fencing like an old-school IndyCar oval crash from '93. Honestly, I worry this sprint qualifying format might just invite more trouble in São Paulo. Even Monza felt a bit dicey because that chicane is basically a magnet for accidents, though drivers have been being careful there lately. Here, though, we have those tricky, winding sections.

image

What's going to really spice up the weekend is the fact that, as with all sprint events, the drivers get only one hour of full preparation before qualifying—especially since Formula 1 hasn't been to this track in a year. Mind blown. At least, that's how it feels to me. It used to be four hours of prep, then it dropped to three, and now with this new setup, it's down to just sixty minutes. Either way, it won't be boring, and they are actually calling for light rain on Friday.

It's also worth noting that this will be the last race on the calendar held during daylight; the final three races are all scheduled as night races.

image

image

image

Action Zones

Turns 1-3

2015 - Max Verstappen vs. Felipe Nasr.

Turn 4

1994 - Jos Verstappen / Eric Bernard / Eddie Irvin / Martin Brundle.

turn 10

2019 - Lewis Hamilton vs Alex Albon.

turn 11

2012 - Romain Grosjean crash.

Goodyear is sticking with the C2/C3/C4 compounds, and that’s what we’ll see for the next two races too.

image

In such an unpredictable season, we have only four races left and it's just Mercedes and Red Bull Racing, separated by a single point! It's rare, especially during this turbo/hybrid era. Mexico did some interesting things, particularly regarding Lewis Hamilton, who is now trailing Max Verstappen by 19 points.

Max Verstappen needs a clean weekend and a win to pull further away from Lewis Hamilton, while Hamilton has to get back to the very top immediately if he wants any kind of chance. Of course, all of this goes out the window if there's an unexpected DNF.

image

Ferrari did a great job in Mexico. They are 13.5 points ahead of McLaren now, which isn't huge, but they're moving in the right direction toward securing third place. Daniel Ricciardo caused that mess at the start, ruining his own race but giving Ferrari the opening to pull ahead. It wasn't perfect, but they need to focus on what's coming next. Lando Norris isn't shining quite as much lately, and his chances of even passing Sergio Perez are slipping away.

Alpine will almost certainly lose 5th place to AlphaTauri. Pierre Gasly is carrying the whole team on his back, and honestly, props to him. In this current power dynamic, Alonso's magic provides small scraps, whereas the AlphaTauri car is just a very strange machine. If they nail the setup, Gasly can easily be the strongest of the rest (realistically, 5th place is basically locked), but in other cases, the setup just fails and AlphaTauri can't even scrape any points. Gasly is heading to a track that holds a special place in his heart, so we might see him up high again, maybe even near the Paddock.

Aston Martin is in a tough spot; 7th place feels pretty much guaranteed for the rest of the season. Alfa Romeo's only hope is some chaos at the start against Williams, but I can say with confidence that the order of the bottom four teams will likely stay exactly as it is until the end.

image

From what we can see, this track suits Mercedes, but Red Bull Racing is on a completely different level this season—a level Mercedes hasn't seen since 2014. The Sprint qualifying race could really shake things up, and the final race on the classic calendar will set the stage for heading into the unknown.
Jacob Castillo70 Jacob Castillo70 Active Member
144 messages
joined May 2021
#1 ·
graniteharbor502 said:We are really discussing what transpired behind the scenes here, aren't we? If the rumors are actually true—those whispers suggesting they intended to blame Max's interference with Lewis's rear wing—then I can only describe such a move as the desperate act of a cornered soul.

Max's contact violates the strict rules regarding cars in parc fermé. Only official personnel are permitted to touch them.
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
479 messages
joined Oct 2024
#1 ·
David Lewis24 said:If they actually get hit with a penalty for this, they might as well just shut down the whole operation and start rewiring the damn cables...

Then what exactly is a penalty for if that isn't one?
Gregory Brown94 Gregory Brown94 Active MemberOP
74 messages
joined Nov 2021
#2 ·
Schedule (for those who might have trouble loading the image):

Friday

4:30 PM Practice 1
8:00 PM Qualifying

Saturday

4:00 PM Practice 2
8:30 PM Sprint Qualifying

Sunday

6:00 PM race
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
1.8K messages
joined Apr 2013
#2 ·
Drew Bennett68 said:Official Update:

https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/decision-document/2021%20Brazilian%20Grand%20Prix%20-%20Offence%20-%20Car%2044%20-%20DRS.pdf

It looks like some of our resident armchair experts might have gotten their facts a little mixed up here.

If I actually had the expertise, the drive, and the spare time, I’d post a GIF of that one famous soccer manager from Portugal giving a rather smug little smirk—but since I don't, I'll just leave that to your imagination, shall I?

Interesting...
So the FIA is basically saying they accept Mercedes-Benz's explanation—that there was zero bad intent and things just went sideways...
Yet at the same time, they aren't giving the part back to Mercedes-Benz; they're keeping it as evidence...

Reading between the lines, you can tell they suspect this wasn't just a design fluke, they just don't have the proof yet. 🤔
Raymond Anderson4 Raymond Anderson4 Regular
479 messages
joined Oct 2024
#2 ·
fadedwalker18 said:There was zero contact there. They were both just following their respective racing lines.

There wasn't any contact because Lewis took active steps to avoid it.
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
509 messages
joined Sep 2014
#3 ·
Gregory Brown94 said:Schedule (for those who might have trouble loading the image):

Friday

4:30 PM Practice 1
8:00 PM Qualifying

Saturday

4:00 PM Practice 2
8:30 PM Sprint Qualifying

Sunday

6:00 PM race

Thanks, Gregory

God bless you with the most beautiful girl a man could ever dream of!
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
1.8K messages
joined Apr 2013
#3 ·
Kyle Lopez2 said:The thing is, you can't really prove someone intended to cheat. They simply didn't meet the technical requirements, so his qualifying was invalidated via DQ, which is why he's starting at the back.

The one part I don't quite agree with is him just starting from the back. Usually, when there's a DQ or significant car changes between qualifying and the race, the penalty is a pit lane start, if I recall correctly.

As it stands, they've basically handed him a 5-10 second advantage compared to if he had to come out of the pits behind the very last car during a sprint.

Anyway, the part stayed with the FIA, so they'll probably tear it apart under a microscope...
If this turns out to be a design flaw, Mercedes is absolutely screwed.

It feels to me like Wolff and his crew were more obsessed with getting that part back for inspection than actually trying to save Lewis's result.
They already knew there was zero chance of fighting the measurement or the results—the penalty is pretty much a done deal at this point.
The massive problem kicks in if the FIA decides later on that the wing was intentionally designed to flex more than allowed...

And Horner and his team have been yapping about Mercedes's straight-line speed and rear wing for a while now...
So anything could happen here, maybe even a potential DQ for Mercedes for the entire 2021 season...
Elizabeth Mendoza Elizabeth Mendoza Regular
821 messages
joined Oct 2020
#3 ·
Yeah, absolutely spot on

Go ahead and say hi

🤣
Drew Bennett68 Drew Bennett68 Regular
471 messages
joined Dec 2009
#4 ·
Gregory Brown94 said:Schedule (for those who might have trouble loading the image):

Friday

4:30 PM Practice 1
8:00 PM Qualifying

Saturday

4:00 PM Practice 2
8:30 PM Sprint Qualifying

Sunday

6:00 PM race

The race kicks off at 6:00 PM, and there's a big game at 3:00 PM, so I should just barely make it back home from Poljud Stadium in time.🙂
Douglas Roberts49 Douglas Roberts49 Active Member
121 messages
joined Jul 2022
#4 ·
If they both end up DNF—honestly, who could even tell which fanbase is more toxic?
fadedwalker18 fadedwalker18 Active Member
221 messages
joined Apr 2011
#4 ·
shadowmarlin22 said:Yeah, sure—try following a racing line in the next corner without jerking the wheel too hard...

He set the pace and held his ground.
He carved out the line, and Lewis Hamilton followed it perfectly.
John Ortiz4 John Ortiz4 Member
11 messages
joined Apr 2020
#5 ·
back in the day, there was 5.0 miles this race track during the 70s
Douglas Roberts49 Douglas Roberts49 Active Member
121 messages
joined Jul 2022
#5 ·
darkmarlin16 said:Now Bottas just has to step up, play his part, and absolutely nail Verstappen

Verstappen will crash himself—naturally, someone else will be blamed, won't they?
Lawrence Garcia5 Lawrence Garcia5 Active Member
54 messages
joined Jan 2015
#5 ·
Honestly, Bottas might actually give Max Verstappen a run for his money until the end of the season.
ruggedhawk20 ruggedhawk20 Regular
509 messages
joined Sep 2014
#6 ·
John Ortiz4 said:back in the day, there was 5.0 miles this race track during the 70s

So?
Amy Castillo4 Amy Castillo4 Active Member
72 messages
joined Dec 2011
#6 ·
darkmarlin16 said:Now Bottas just has to step up, play his part, and absolutely nail Verstappen

Ever since he found out he’s getting kicked out of Mercedes-Benz, he’s been acting way more cautious around Max than even Perez or those Alpha Tauri drivers do.
Joseph Flores15 Joseph Flores15 Active Member
53 messages
joined Oct 2014
#6 ·
Lawrence Garcia5 said:Honestly, Bottas might actually give Max Verstappen a run for his money until the end of the season.

Fine 🤣
Drew Bennett68 Drew Bennett68 Regular
471 messages
joined Dec 2009
#7 ·
ruggedhawk20 said:So?

So, it actually lasted longer.
stormybadger8 stormybadger8 Veteran
1.8K messages
joined Apr 2013
#7 ·
Kyle Lopez2 said:Look at it this way. Who would actually cheat in a way that they’d fail a standard physical test conducted every few races at high-speed tracks? 🤔

It’s like building a car that’s 10cm too wide and then acting surprised when you get a DQ the second a steward pulls out a measuring tape. 🤣

If you’re going to cheat, you do it where it’s hard to see—the stuff that requires specialized testing to uncover. Not like this. This is why Red Bull needs to insist on a full inspection of the wing mechanism to see if this happened at other tracks too. Because if they find a genuine irregularity there, Mercedes could end up facing a DQ for multiple past races due to an illegal wing.

Someone who designs a rear flexi-wing that expands way past the legal limit under load, giving them an unfair edge.
Then, once the car pulls into the pits, the material snaps back to its original shape and—surprise!—it passes the measurement perfectly.

But then, oops, things go south. The part doesn't snap back quite right and stays bent, failing the test. And wouldn't you know it, that wonderful guy Jo just happens to be the one sent to inspect our car...

You must log in or register to reply here.

Log in Register

🔗 Similar threads