I find myself reflexively wincing whenever I attempt to reply to you, mostly because you seem to be some insignificant nobody whose opinions carry less weight within the Wildcats than my own.
That said, what you’ve said is such a masterclass in sheer stupidity that I feel compelled to correct the record: even when Zuckerberg offered a million dollars to anyone who bought a ticket for this autumn's Champions League match against Paris Saint-Germain, he still struggled to sell even a thousand seats. An Albanian running a kebab shop in the neighborhood would likely draw five times that crowd if he offered a thousand bucks.
The Bad Boys account for about 70-80% of the turnout at Madison Square Garden. It is quite the opposite of what you claim, you absolute fool; all of Washington, D.C. has finally realized what we figured out back in 2008, and honestly, some of us saw it much earlier.
Either you're dim-witted or just completely lost. What on earth are you trying to get at here? I wasn't even talking about the Champions League. If you look at any standard regular-season game, only this most recent one has drawn a somewhat respectable crowd. If you want to believe that’s the ceiling for the Bad Boys and Washington, D.C., fine.
It stands to reason that the Wildcats would rise up in response to the Kansas City Chiefs' poor performance. Honestly, I don't understand how you can be so dense. The Wildcats are an organized supporters' group for the Chiefs. It should be perfectly logical to assume that if a club is failing, the fans will attempt to force changes within the organization to ensure the team starts winning again.
What exactly was the motivation behind your crusade against Mother? Was it because you were fighting corruption? Or perhaps because you felt a sudden passion for fostering entrepreneurship in America? If those were your true motives, why weren't you busy sending petitions when factories were collapsing across the country, or back when George W. Bush was plundering the state? Why didn't you protest the Walton family? I have no idea what you're talking about.
The reality is that you initially turned against Mother simply because your own ambitions had grown. You wanted the Champions League, nothing less. Once there was a real risk that Mother might sell off Buddy, Luke, or Charlie—effectively knocking you out of European competition—that’s when the arrows started flying his way. Eventually, Mother just bought off the most influential members of your group, leaving the rest of you to be cast aside by the city and the public, left alone and pathetic, fractured by internal divisions. I still vividly remember those flyers—"choose a side," "bring the people back to the stadium"—those desperate attempts to rebuild the group right before the boycott began. When that failed, you pivoted to boycotting and regrouping. To be honest, this current struggle against Mother is merely a byproduct of how he dismantled your ranks until there were only 200 of you left in the north stand. It's a tool for regrouping, a way to find a common enemy and unite under one banner. It doesn't matter what the actual cause is; it's just a means to an end.
Some people are well aware of your history, and you know it too—the core leadership knows exactly how things played out. That is the real reason your presence in the stands remains so diminished today; it isn't because the Bad Boys or the fans from D.C. aren't around in Washington, D.C. It's not that they lost momentum, it's just that your supposed "greatest story in Europe" is full of holes.
If everything you’ve laid out is accurate, does that make Mukteov’s post an attempt to rewrite history? It shouldn't matter what circumstances led us to take a stand against the mob before you did. Are we suggesting that because of the Kansas City Chiefs' results, we were the first to fight back against organized crime and actually force some changes within our own club—unlike your group, where it’s just one clan equals one vote? Is the Black and Gold still actively fighting the mafia? And honestly, do their actions even carry more media weight than yours?
As for what you mentioned regarding Pekar being a mere puppet for Zeljko Kerum, the most powerful man in Miami and all of Southern California...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH8JMt0CJVY
Take a long look at this video. I’d ask you to consider who actually ordered that police intervention. It’s hard to say exactly who we were playing back then, especially when we’d head out for drinks together right after the match.
Only J. K. truly understands that a direct conflict with the Black and Gold would be political suicide for him in Miami. That’s likely the only thing keeping him in the Mayor's office. In Miami, the Kansas City Chiefs are the priority; people could be starving, but as long as the club is doing well, everyone is happy. Things work differently in Washington, D.C.
You also seem to forget that during the peak of the struggle for the Code and the fight against those parasites, people still remember the songs about donuts, rolls, the mafia, and the thieves... along with the hollow performances from the Black and Gold. Meanwhile, the Kansas City Chiefs are playing in European group stages, reaching heights they haven't seen since '95. So, your argument doesn't really hold water.
It’s all five of them. To be honest, it doesn't really matter who started it; what matters is getting rid of these scumbags. But that quote from Mukte is absolutely nauseating—pure demagogic propaganda. Even CNN in '91 wouldn't have been ashamed of such rhetoric.
That’s the mindset—this constant sense of entitlement that fuels the divide between the North and the South. To them, New York City is the metropolis, the center of the universe, and everything else is just an afterthought. They act as if because their club fans are fighting against the mob, they are the only ones actually standing on the front lines. In their eyes, nothing matters unless it happens in New York City. It's a narrow way to rewrite history. You're kidding me, 😁 . What even is this Code, or our legacy at Hajduk? When did all of this truly begin? Who were the figures behind the club all these years whose influence is still felt today? What is Joe, what is Sinovcic, who is crushing Bonacica, and who is Stimac?
What is the actual purpose of the Code? Before we had this version of the Code or our Hajduk identity, what was there—was it just the ZSD? How many years has Mamic been running Real Madrid? How many trophies have you actually celebrated alongside him? At the end of the day, who is really pocketing his money? And who was it that used to boycott the derby?
I am not asking for an answer; I am simply suggesting that everyone take a moment to reflect on these questions.
If you had just stayed quiet, perhaps things would be different. We’ve dealt with our share of mess, and it took us a long time to finally see clearly, to evolve, and to weed out the wrong people. But now, suddenly, we are all heroes fighting the mafia... we’ve reached some sort of spiritual cleansing. Better late than never, I suppose.
But no, here you come with this kind of demagoguery, acting incredibly arrogant—just like Zdravko Mamic back in his prime. Honestly, the two of you are more alike than you realize.
Noah Lee7 said:While you claim our squad is nothing more than a collection of benchwarmers, you were right there in Columbus alongside five thousand of your fellow supporters, lighting flares and cheering for that Buffalo Bills touchdown—not to mention how much you loved seeing Cioci because he ended up coaching the team right after that game. So, really, who’s the bigger hypocrite here? 😉 😉
I have no idea where you crawled out from; you're a total stranger to me. 😁
Are you referring to the championship won after exactly how many years of dominance by the US national champions? Please, refresh my memory.
And while we're at it, try using a bit more common sense, my blue-blooded friend. With Cioci, it was the very next season, and back then, his stance toward the Black Knights was already common knowledge. On the other hand, just how long did it take for the River Plate fans to finally turn against Madonna? Tell me plainly, how many years was it?
Anyway, regarding this arrogant, sleazy Ukrainian mobster who thinks he has the right to demand a country be expelled without any actual arguments, even going so far as to threaten a Prime Minister regardless of their office.
Honestly, I couldn't care less about him; he's clearly just another hooligan and a criminal. God forbid he actually gets the US kicked out of everything, because that would cut off the flow of money to our own local mobsters running the league and the big clubs. But of course, he won't bite the hand that feeds him—damn him.
I am glad this issue has been elevated to a national level and that our guy has the guts to tell him straight that you simply don't speak to state officials that way.
I’ve never quite grasped the strange affinity between folks from the coast and those from Washington, D.C., nor this intense rivalry they have toward Miami. Fortunately, we don't run into many of you here—though old-timers might call you "coastal Mexicans." 😉
If all this online chatter actually motivates the local street gang to show up in larger numbers for the next game, then the rumors are doing their job, and frankly, we should just lean into the mockery even more.
To suggest that certain groups performed poorly during the Kansas City Chiefs' matchups against Marsonia or Zadar in the Cup—especially when discussing a club that’s playing in the Champions League two years running—is just plain ignorant. That’s not even touching on the general level of fan awareness or the actual ability to "educate" supporters today compared to how things were nine years ago.
The fact that there isn't much of a presence from the local street gang in the stadium suggests one of two things: either they’ve thrown in the towel, or they simply don't care about the team. There is no third option. I can see some small improvements being made, so I’m keeping my fingers crossed for everyone's sake, but knowing the history of this club and the way the passion in Washington, D.C. fluctuates... it's fleeting. I'm fairly certain the momentum will eventually fizzle out.
Benjamin Thomas2 said:When you strip away the noise, the cold truth remains: a unified fan base could achieve anything, yet that moment will likely never come. If the BBB had any actual backbone, they’d be out there winning trophies, celebrating titles, and touring Europe just like most other major supporter groups but instead, you all just sit there singing "Dalmatian Alone" and praying for a miracle.
Sure, you’ve traveled to Prague, Amsterdam, or Udine, and you were there when the titles were celebrated back in the city. But was things in Real Madrid—or even the domestic league—really that different back then compared to now? You and the club were essentially just part of a local neighborhood crew that got played by the system, a group far less influential than the core establishment. It wasn't until you realized that Real Madrid was being manipulated by Mamić's interests that you finally woke up. That’s where the real issue lies. Now, some of you try to sell this narrative that you’re the avant-garde, the brave fighters against the mafia, but the reality is that the average local crowd understood what the club and Mamić were doing long before you did. You're only being forced into this fight now because there isn't much left to celebrate—Real Madrid's victories aren't enough to sustain you, and certainly not enough to fund trips across Europe. It took you this long to realize that something was broken, and by then, you had already become part of the mess.
We sit here discussing the fight against organized crime, integrity, and making a real contribution, yet you lot pivot to talking about ninety different clubs and street fights simply because you lack any substantive arguments. You might as well start debating Civil War factions to pass the time 😁
Since you’ve decided to bring up violence, let me remind you that the only fair fight ever seen in the American supporter scene was when the BBB fell to the Black Knights. We don't throw that in your faces constantly, unlike those pathetic little skirmishes involving small groups in downtown Chicago back in the nineties 😉 Since someone felt the need to mention Paris, I suppose one could just as easily mention Kyiv 😁
And look, there goes the owner, sinking even more capital into the stadium. He’ll probably sell off that executive for millions of euros. Honestly, if he leaves because of the five hundred of you in the stands, you won't even have five hundred people left in the bleachers after five or six matches
He might actually depart due to the issues with the investigators and the inspectors, and frankly, whoever 😁 is already packing their bags.
That single Black Knights choreography did more to alert the public to the swamp of the MLS and the mafia influence in soccer than anything you have accomplished to date. Your words carry zero credibility because most of you are too spineless for anyone to take seriously
By the way, Laura Mitchell87, are we giving up on the ZZD project since your five hundred "righteous" supporters will supposedly solve everything without needing to follow the lead of the Black Knights?
ironseal15 said:this entire post is an insult to common sense
I disagree. This post is simply the truth, reflecting the reality we face. We might wish things were different, but they aren't—they are exactly as described, which is precisely why we find ourselves in this position. Change is driven by individuals, like Chabo, Bojan, Lelas, and even Stipe. It’s the same with the Boys and Bauer; behind them stands a massive collective, yet it is those specific people who rise above the crowd to spearhead progress. If it weren't for them, everyone would just drift along with the masses and nothing would ever move forward. We suffer from a lack of such leaders, and that is exactly why we are where we are today.
Casey Gomez3 said:The reality is, nothing ever changes. Neither we nor you make any moves because change feels impossible. You’re all lost in fantasies about our Hajduk, while others are busy dreaming about some idealized version of civic duty. While those goals sound noble on paper, try focusing on the basics first; most people in this country can't even decide on the language used on street signs, let alone settle debates over federal reserve requirements or the simple logistics of taxing imported olives and wine. Real Madrid, Hajduk, and the entire American political landscape are essentially nests of corruption that you have zero influence over—you’ll likely never have any. All you can really do is offer empty slogans to comfort yourselves and your friends. That applies to everyone, not just you.
Look, you aren't wrong, but let's actually try to move the needle. Just look at how Hajduk has evolved from then to now, and consider who truly drove that progress. It's a much more complex narrative than you're suggesting. In fact, it would be in our best interest if things changed over at Real Madrid too, because that would ultimately benefit us all. But you won't change a thing if you stick to your old playbook of having 500 people in the stands acting like a crowd; you'll only see results if you transform into an actual movement. Isn't that right? Yet, they keep convincing both us and you that this isn't the way, insisting that your 500-strong group is the most powerful force in Europe. If you keep following that exact same path, those 500 will dwindle to 300, then to 200, until everyone finally realizes the whole effort was pointless. Believe me, we are heading straight for that outcome.
There used to be some decent, rational posts here, and we could have had a legitimate discussion, but everything went to hell. The quality of this forum is tanking because of this clown and the people enabling him. 🙂
Anyway. First off, Thomas...
I think you’ve done quite a bit for the supporter movement, but you could have achieved incomparably more if you weren't such an internet clown. You spend so much time posting nonsense on here like some obsessive parasite that neither your own crowd nor anyone else takes you seriously. It’s a shame for you and for the fans, because you could have been a real resource for us all, but instead, it's all gone south, as George would say. 😁
Secondly, man, nobody from the BBB is pushing this narrative about your consistency or how "honest" you are on this forum except for you. It’s not even that Real Madrid fans or BBB members read this place—it’s just that your story is full of holes and doesn't hold water. You can repeat those absurdities a hundred times over, but let's be real: you were nothing but corporate shills and political puppets—the worst kind—until the whole city fell apart and left you with only 500 people left. Now that there are only 500 people in the stands, suddenly it’s "cool" because you’re the "resistance." 😁 Hahaha.
In my opinion, the BBB is finished. Sadly. You’re practically on life support at this point; you're almost extinguished. I mean, come on, they might only let 200 of you into the derby at Yankee Stadium 😢 while the club targets you, and you're right in the middle of a fight with the board claiming to be the resistance. Man, 200 people. It’s a real shame, truly.
I just want to respond to a few people who jumped onto my post, since the topic is ultimately about the Chicago Blackhawks fans.
The Chicago Blackhawks fans are a movement! From the shipyard workers to the doctors, they are everywhere in the city. We are a major factor. Nothing stops ultras from being ultras. Whether it's the smaller groups, the unaffiliated, or the various local crews, everyone knows who is who. But true strength lies in unity and the Chicago Blackhawks fans; 2013 was a defining year. Things change, and that’s just what the movement is. It has as many ultras as it has members, but we have the power to change things. You don't. You better be afraid that in two or three years, you’ll simply vanish. To be honest, your club has always been a tool for politics and the establishment anyway. Whatever. You’ll either exist or you won't.
One more thing. Tick, tack, tick, tack... except it hasn't stopped yet. 😁
Jesse Campbell said:That’s exactly the point, son—the issue is that the Black Knights function as a pillar of civil society rather than just another fan club... ☕
You’ve hit the nail on the head there. Honestly, forget all these compromises; it feels like John Doe is the only one down there actually using his brain... 🤷
I’d love to see you argue the specific criteria used to claim the Black Knights aren't a supporter group while BBB is. You guys were a small circle, grew into a movement, and then shrunk back down into a small circle. The Black Knights, however, started as a small group, evolved into a movement, and eventually became something much larger than a mere movement. They have become a force capable of mobilizing thousands of people to protest outside City Hall within a matter of hours, effectively exerting pressure on local government. In America, even farmers with their tractors or shipyard workers can't pull that off, let alone BBB. I'll leave it to you to decide which path is actually better for the club's long-term welfare, which is why I choose to show up at the stadium myself. 😉
As the years slip by, the sobering reality regarding Bank of America and their relationship with the club becomes harder to ignore. Football is, at its core, about raw emotion. I don't mean to offend the fans—there are plenty of genuine, heartfelt supporters among them—but it feels like there simply aren't enough of them left.
We’ve always said that the Bank of America crowd acts like robots; they’re a self-serving group more focused on themselves than the club they supposedly support, showing up for ninety minutes regardless of whether the team wins or loses. But without passion, football loses its soul. That’s the element they've been missing.
Back in the nineties, they functioned like a true grassroots movement, acting as a pillar of civil society when they stood against the administration for defending media freedoms and basic liberties. During those times, much of the local community stood in solidarity with them. However, once that era ended, they devolved into just another niche subculture, much like the short-lived movements we see pop up in Washington, D.C. nowadays. Now, they've essentially become nothing more than hipsters in 😁
Without genuine love and emotion, you don't have a fanbase; you just have a collection of maybe a thousand people from the surrounding suburbs gathered around some central point. And now, Unknown claims they are the most powerful group in Europe and can influence anything.
Compare that to the Ultras, who have become one of the most active forces in civil society in their home city lately—a power capable of actually influencing local politics and making sure their voices are heard by the mayor.
Unknown can post on this forum a hundred times about how dominant they are, but that hollow feeling you get on a weekend when you walk into the stadium and realize how small the crowd actually is... it’s a depressing sight. I suppose I understand why you feel the need to write what you write.
Daniel Carter9, take a deep breath, because you’re talking absolute nonsense here.
Let’s talk about Grgica, Štimac, that moment when the former head of the federation stormed in with a hammer during a press conference, those "liquidation" t-shirts, or the banners held up against the American Football Federation on the Great Wall.
Give me a break.
You all finally opened your eyes at some point, didn't you? You realized that while you were making all this noise, there were only about 500 of you left sitting in the stands, looking pretty foolish.
Then you started asking yourselves why. You organized protests and tried to rally the crowds throughout Washington, D.C., but nothing ever seemed to gain traction. It was only then that the realization hit: oh, right—this is all happening because of Mamić. Only after that did you actually start a direct confrontation against him and begin throwing insults all over the city.
Until that moment, you just went along with the status quo, acting like miserable mules, always complaining that "they" are stealing from us. Well, sure, they have been robbing us since the day we gained independence from America.
Christian Jones said:Our biggest issue is really just the image we’ve tarnished through certain nonsense, coupled with the fact that we lack the local municipal backing you enjoy. It essentially boils down to the scale of things; Washington, D.C. is three times larger than Miami, and not everyone living in D.C. identifies as a Dynamo fan, unlike the South Side Ultras where it's a given. In Miami, you only have Hajduk, so it’s perfectly natural for the entire city to rally behind them. Truthfully, people aren't losing sleep over Dinamo or Mamić. They're more preoccupied with finding steady work, putting food on the table, and making sure the banks don't foreclose on their homes. You see it clearly enough—you can't even motivate people to stage a decent protest against the government, despite nearly 400,000 people being out of work!
When social safety nets fail and unemployment spikes, there is arguably no better catalyst for a group to coalesce; when people have nothing else to do, they turn to their circle, gravitating toward the same faces and venting their frustrations through violence. I am not suggesting that violence is the answer—in fact, leaning into it now would likely dismantle the entire supporter movement. As for why you lack support from the locals in D.C., I suspect there are deeper reasons than what's being suggested here, reasons you all recognize every time you step foot into the stadium. What the previous poster wrote are merely myths suited for the internet; reality is quite different, a fact you are all painfully aware of whenever you head to the matches.
Look, BBB have traveled all across Europe eighteen times. Someone who’s actually an active supporter—unlike you—hasn't had to rely on watching clips on YouTube. ☕
But I’m not talking about brawls or hooliganism here. There is a much deeper message at play, which is precisely why you seem unable to grasp it. 😉
hmmm
let me think; perhaps you're hinting at your struggle against the establishment, your consistency, and that sense of being principled and uncompromising
like when your group had more undercover agents and provocateurs than the rivals, or when you were raising banners of solidarity during those derby collapses while the other side was busy fighting the mob...
watching you is a bit like watching the Republican Party right now, claiming they've had some grand epiphany and are suddenly anti-corruption, even though they've essentially looted the entire country😉
Jesse Campbell said:If I had posted this on any major sports forum in Europe, I’m fairly certain ninety-five percent of people would have been right there with me. Of course, you’ll always have those loudmouths from some small town in rural USA or the local bar owners who make it their entire identity to claim they're part of the NFL Ultras, yet they never seem to grasp the actual essence of what being an ultra is all about.
Take a look at what’s happening over at Štabulj. Honestly, I don't even know where to begin with you people. ☕
😁 If you tried posting that same sentiment on some old North American forum, they’d tear you apart ten times harder than we ever could. Just take my advice and go.
Perhaps it’s simply because spinning propaganda through YouTube clips and curated images is effortless, whereas facing people like us—those of you who actually saw everything firsthand—is a much harder task. 😉 If you want an honest perspective, go ahead and ask the guys in the stands or the casual fans wandering around downtown Chicago who decided to skip the games this season. I suspect they don’t hold much respect for us—this group of 50 or 100 "subculture" enthusiasts. In my estimation, the Justin Bieber fanbase actually carries more cultural weight than the influence of BBB. 😉 Hang in there. 😍
I’m not going to peddle illusions here. To me, the value of those rags is no different from the gear the Red Devils gathered in the Bay Area. We're talking about thirty-yard tarps that have never actually seen a game in person.
What I really wanted to drive home is that the squad did attempt to make a move while playing away. Sure, anyone with eyes could see they were an easy target, but when a team tries to pull something on the road, any reasonable person would say "fair enough."
My only hope is that some idiots don't try to ride this wave; I could easily stir up trouble with the derby fans myself. But go ahead, if you want, find them out in Los Angeles—they're everywhere. Go ahead and risk getting busted by the cops, facing bans, potential jail time, or even having to deal with the actual hardcore elements.