Posts by cosmiccyclist8

Walter Anderson43 said:Honestly, you're the only one making a joke of yourself with comments like that.

Ayrton Senna's approach is exactly what turned him into the greatest driver to ever sit in a cockpit—whereas the Prost-Balestre era mostly just earned them the resentment of drivers who stood by Ayrton Senna and pushed back against the politics of those two.

Maybe try watching a few more documentaries to actually get the full picture; don't embarrass yourself any further.

Look, I saw them in person, so all that Bernie-style propaganda from the movies smells pretty fishy to me. 😁
One was pure gold and the other was total trash—how could it be any other way? 😁

If we're talking about raw talent, the best way to settle it is to look at how they stacked up in identical machinery:
1988: Alain Prost 105 - Ayrton Senna 94
1989: Alain Prost 81 - Ayrton Senna 60

I'm talking about points, obviously. 👍

mellowtiger83 said:I can't actually watch videos directly—my eyes aren't quite built for YouTube links yet. If you can drop a transcript, a summary, or even just the gist of what’s being said in that video, I’ll get right on it. Once I have the context, I'll rework the whole thing into my usual style—lots of tangents, dry commentary, and all that good stuff. Just let me know what we're working with!

Look, whatever. It is what it is.

Good grief—if we actually applied this logic, you could probably write up twenty different F1 crashes as premeditated attempted murders.

That legendary footage of Ayrton Senna—you know the one—just hunting for that tiny sliver of space. 😁 Just a target for mockery, really—nothing more. 😁

Look, Mario—or rather, mellowtiger83—you know perfectly well that Ayrton Senna’s whole playbook was about forcing his rivals into a corner where they had to decide: either collide or back off. He basically put them in a tactical bind. Honestly, Alain Prost dealt with those kinds of maneuvers more times than I can count, and you know just as well how many collisions he ended up having with the rest of the field because of it. 👍 But let’s be real—they’re probably going to pull the exact same stunt when it comes to... 155 milesHonestly... any Prost-like driver who’s actually seen what he's capable of would know that none of this makes any sense at all.

I'll dig up that clip from YouTube where Alain Prost talks about it—he basically said he was just sitting there in total shock, unable to wrap his head around how someone could actually value a championship title more than their own damn life.

Walter Anderson43 said:Shouldn't that old fraud in the photo—the one from a few posts up—have set it so the lead car starts on the clean side of the track? Instead, once Ayrton Senna grabbed pole, he conveniently lined up Alain Prost on the racing line to give him the advantage.

When you factor that in—plus the fact that this exact same Alain Prost intentionally cut into Ayrton Senna a year earlier during a chicane right before the finish line—you realize why Ayrton went all-in. This time, he was actually in a position where a collision worked in his favor, just like it did for Alain the year before.

So, I’m starting this thread. Grab some popcorn, settle in, and please, stop defending those French hustlers who were running the show back in the late 80s and early 90s.

The entire grid basically rallied behind Ayrton Senna after what happened at Suzuka in '89—that whole mess with his disqualification orchestrated by the Prost-Balestre duo. Honestly, Alain Prost was so desperate he couldn't even manage to knock Ayrton out of the race, let alone beat him fairly while driving the same car.

Did you just finish watching that Ecclestone documentary on Ayrton Senna five minutes before posting this? 😁

Walter Anderson43 said:Back in '90 during the race in Japan, Jean-Marie Balestre moved the pole position starting spot to the dirty part of the track—while moving the second position, where Alain Prost started, right onto the racing line—essentially handing Prost much better starting conditions.

Then there was that incident a year earlier when Prost intentionally slammed into Ayrton Senna to prevent him from overtaking in the chicane—it really shouldn't be debated, as plenty of expert analyses and comparisons show just how early Prost began turning right; his intention clearly wasn't to make the corner, but to collide with Ayrton Senna and end the championship fight right then and there.

Even now in the States, television broadcasts in Brazil won't mention Balestre by name—they just refer to him as "that guy whose name shall not be mentioned."

There was no moving it. The starting position was already on that damn dirty right side. All they did was repaint the track overnight at Senna's request—honestly, why are you being so dense? Whoever took pole would have been stuck on that right side anyway... though, I guess after qualifying, Senna finally realized what happened. But those are two completely different things, and you're seriously conflating them????

Which video was he supposed to be in? And who’s out there quoting Alain Prost, claiming it was just some "racing incident"? Give me a break—you're blind if you can't see what happened. Maybe his Prost-like car got clipped somewhere right at the start, but if he had actually been in that corner, he would've been eating their rear wing instead. 🤦

mellowtiger83 said:Even Alain Prost himself just called it an "incident."

Where’s the river, though? Seriously—look at this statement right after Suzuka, where he actually sat there and rewatched the footage a few times.

🤷

He explicitly mentions that Ayrton Senna didn't have even a 1% chance of making the pass, and that he was essentially hit in the rear wing by a column of air. mellowtiger83—you still think that's enough for you?

mellowtiger83 said:What kind of drugs was Balestre on in 1989 when Alain Prost's intentions were clearly visible on the onboard camera, when he even checked his rearview mirror before veering toward Ayrton Senna?

When he glanced in that mirror while hitting the chicane, Ayrton Senna was still at least 50 meters behind him...

Dana Perez6 said:I’ve always agreed that Senna was a freak of nature behind the wheel, and I’ll tell you why he became that way. It’s the same story as Michael Jordan. Senna had every possible advantage to become the best. He practically lived in his cars; sometimes he even slept in them. Having your own go-kart by age four and all that—this is a sport for the wealthy, so you need money to play. When you combine those advantages with insane dedication and grit, you get Senna. He lived for it. From dawn till dusk. And he died for it. It’s common knowledge that the more you grind, the better you get. There might be drivers out there technically "better" than him, but they didn't have the resources, so they couldn't show what they were capable of. If you're sitting in race cars from the time you're a toddler, you're going to become a real driver. That’s why I brought up Jordan—he was out there shooting hoops from sunrise to sunset. He trained day and night and never left the court, so of course he became a legend. While other kids were hanging out with their buddies, icons like Tiger Woods were out there grinding in the elements... obviously, when you give everything to a sport and that training turns into a manic, obsessive fixation where nothing else matters, you have to succeed. Personally, I have more respect for pure natural talents who hit the top with almost zero effort... But in Senna's case, it was the perfect mix of work ethic and raw talent. He could have been the most successful driver statistically of all time, but death cut him short, leaving him with three titles (and one of those was basically stolen from him). Regardless, we can call him the greatest to ever do it in NASCAR. The man earned it.

One stolen? Even he admits there's an empty spot in his trophy case. In his head, every conspiracy theory is totally plausible 😁

If you ask me, my math shows he actually has one extra rather than one missing—honestly, who knows what kind of substances Jean-Marie Balestre was on back in '90 when he didn't disqualify him at Suzuka? It’s a complete joke...

And please, for the love of God, don't go calling him the "greatest," because then you're just insulting all the other drivers who were right there in the mix—especially the ones who were actually better than him. 👍

mellowtiger83 said:He didn't get penalized because it was just a racing incident—Ayrton Senna basically admitted he couldn't bring himself to lift off the brakes!

Look, Senna actually laid it out before the race started—he made it clear he’d make his move if Alain Prost took the apex first.🤮

And that’s exactly what happened. Calling that a "racing incident" is a massive stretch.🤮

So, we’re talking about this guy



The real question is—why didn't they just ban Ayrton Senna back in '90? I mean, they had more than enough ammunition to make that call, right?

j.-m.b. stands for Jean-Marie Balestre—mostly because his full name wouldn't fit in the thread title anyway👍

you're gonna need a whole lot of lines to map this out👍

https://carloscastella.files.wordpre...76-brabham.jpg

js5 the so-called Smurfmobile 🙏

Giving up. I might as well stop trying.

btw that Williams 👍 livery is honestly so cool 👍 and what a beast that car was—that Renault V10 was an absolute gem 👍 though it could be a total nightmare to drive sometimes, super twitchy and wild, but God, Hill managed to tame it beautifully. He snatched that championship by the skin of his teeth using 👍

cosmiccyclist8 said:Has anyone already explained to you that those wings aren't actually that big of a deal during the ground effect era? It wasn't just Ferrari and the other teams—they’d be swapping them out here and there, too.

Take this car, for example—it utilized ground effect to its absolute limit. I mean, the entire chassis, starting right from the nose, was essentially transformed into one giant Venturi tube... Chuck even had to significantly beef up the chassis compared to the previous model just to handle the massive
downforce. It ran into issues under braking and through corners where it would act up because of sudden losses in
downforce. Despite grabbing 3rd place in the US Grand Prix, it was a nightmare to drive, so they ended up freezing the project. It looked promising at first,
but ultimately it just sent Lotus sliding backward.



edit: Just shave off a tiny bit of that rear wing... it's interesting how those wings are slowly losing their purpose entirely.😉

You can see it clearly here—even the aero curtains on the nose:

https://drivetribe.imgix.net/T-d9qX7dRKWhad_JspLjwA

Suzuka '90—I mean, you practically see it coming, and then boom, right at Turn 1, he just does it. Everyone knows exactly what I’m talking about here—Ayrton Senna getting forced out of the race and Prost basically losing his mind in the pits 155 miles/h. Honestly, thank God it ended okay; things could have gone catastrophically for both of them.

I have to admit, that was the first time I ever saw someone intentionally force another driver off the track in F1. Sure, there’s always been some level of gamesmanship and dirty driving, but at 155 miles/h... that was just pure insanity. What I can't wrap my head around, though, is how he wasn't punished on the spot?? Speaking as an F1 fan, my take is that he should've been slapped with an automatic lifetime ban and sent straight for psychological evaluations, because what he did was nothing short of attempted murder.
The first real penalty for a foul of that magnitude didn't come until Schumacher's move seven years later.

And look, while Schumacher's move was definitely worthy of a penalty, it still feels like a minor slip compared to the sheer savagery from Senna. I’ll ask again: why didn't Jean-Marie Balestre and the rest of the crew penalize Senna back then? I don't get the logic. We had one Senna at the time, but if there had been ten of him on the grid, they'd all be arrested for turning the track into a playground for lunatics who'd be killing each other left and right just because the rules allowed it. How is such a massive oversight even possible?

Has anyone already explained to you that those wings aren't actually that big of a deal during the ground effect era? It wasn't just Ferrari and the other teams—they’d be swapping them out here and there, too.

Take this car, for example—it utilized ground effect to its absolute limit. I mean, the entire chassis, starting right from the nose, was essentially transformed into one giant Venturi tube... Chuck even had to significantly beef up the chassis compared to the previous model just to handle the massive
downforce. It ran into issues under braking and through corners where it would act up because of sudden losses in
downforce. Despite grabbing 3rd place in the US Grand Prix, it was a nightmare to drive, so they ended up freezing the project. It looked promising at first,
but ultimately it just sent Lotus sliding backward.



edit: Just shave off a tiny bit of that rear wing... it's interesting how those wings are slowly losing their purpose entirely.😉

I mean, why didn't he just let loose somewhere? Seriously. One day you're fine, and the next—boom—you're standing out there in a total downpour without him. Just stuck in the rain.

I mean, honestly—to be fair—he would’ve basically gotten handed the win after the race anyway, so they wouldn't have even put his victory at risk.