Posts by placidwolf27

Zachary Mendoza2 said:One doesn't need a traumatic upbringing or a history of monsters in the family to act this way in today's climate. It is enough that they simply believe it is a good idea. In that movie, everyone thinks kicking a cat is a great idea and finds it entertaining. Many terrible things have happened and continue to happen. We just choose not to think about them, and when we finally encounter them, we wonder how it was even possible. We lack answers, yet we persist in the belief that monsters are mere exceptions—something inhuman, caused by faulty genes or sadistic parents. We cling to the idea that people don't inherently possess such darkness.
Unfortunately, "human nature" is a meaningless concept. A person can become anything they choose—an angel or a monster—or shift their beliefs and behaviors whenever circumstances change. There is no foolproof way to predict or prevent monsters, because anyone can become one. All we can do is make it harder through proper upbringing and fostering self-awareness and empathy. But there is a downside: we remain shocked by monsters and have no clue how to handle them. We lose our insight, which robs us of the ability to understand, foresee, and prevent situations where the inner monster surfaces. When it happens, we usually just hear: "But he was such a quiet, polite young man; he's been my neighbor my whole life and never caused trouble. I have no idea what happened to him 🤷"

precisely so

Zachary Mendoza2 said:One doesn't need a traumatic upbringing or a history of monsters in the family to act this way in today's climate. It is enough that they simply believe it is a good idea. In that movie, everyone thinks kicking a cat is a great idea and finds it entertaining. Many terrible things have happened and continue to happen. We just choose not to think about them, and when we finally encounter them, we wonder how it was even possible. We lack answers, yet we persist in the belief that monsters are mere exceptions—something inhuman, caused by faulty genes or sadistic parents. We cling to the idea that people don't inherently possess such darkness.
Unfortunately, "human nature" is a meaningless concept. A person can become anything they choose—an angel or a monster—or shift their beliefs and behaviors whenever circumstances change. There is no foolproof way to predict or prevent monsters, because anyone can become one. All we can do is make it harder through proper upbringing and fostering self-awareness and empathy. But there is a downside: we remain shocked by monsters and have no clue how to handle them. We lose our insight, which robs us of the ability to understand, foresee, and prevent situations where the inner monster surfaces. When it happens, we usually just hear: "But he was such a quiet, polite young man; he's been my neighbor my whole life and never caused trouble. I have no idea what happened to him 🤷"

twice as true

Psychopathy is essentially driven by abnormal brain development—it isn't about excuses, nor is it some simple matter of being "evil"...

The crucial detail in this entire situation is that the individual kicked a cat, not—heaven forbid—a child.
It’s likely more a reflection of their specific worldview and mindset rather than some deep-seated, severe pathology...

Then again, one could argue they are a psychopath, but you certainly can't make a definitive call just from watching a video clip.

Give 1984 a read

Break down the concept of "doublethink"

It’s essentially this—you just need enough self-discipline to pull it off properly—and you won't find it an issue when things stop making sense. They make sense if you decide they do... because you've chosen to believe they do, quite deliberately...

Following the logic that 2+2=5

By the way, if you actually manage to pull that off, let me know

The whole crux of the matter is that you possess the absolute freedom to do whatever you please—and then, of course, you can spin the narrative to justify it however you see fit

Or, more simply put, just act on whatever whim strikes you

Which is easy enough to say, naturally—though actually conceiving of why one might even want to do such things is a far more difficult task, and executing them? That’s even harder still...

Henry Williams said:Why on earth would he close his eyes or turn his head? 😕I mean, a guy should be able to walk down the street in Chicago without having to deal with constant shocks. It’s like if I decided to strip naked and dance right in front of you on the sidewalk—you’d lose your mind! And then if I told you, "Hey, just close your eyes and pretend I'm not here," *that* would actually be the crazy behavior.
The thought of doing something that ridiculous never even crossed my mind.

Are you really that repulsive and deformed that someone can't even look at you naked without having to avert their gaze and act like you don't exist?

I suspect this whole debate over burgers might actually hold the answer we're looking for...

If eating a burger is an absolute affront to your sensibilities, yet someone else can enjoy one without a second thought, there has to be a fundamental reason for that discrepancy.

Either everyone else is some sort of culinary barbarian—which seems unlikely—or there is something specific about you that makes the sight of a burger so unsettling.
And look, that’s perfectly fine; nobody is going to call the police on your preferences. But you really ought to sit down and reflect on why it bothers you so deeply to see another person simply enjoying their meal.

Furthermore, is it truly necessary to lash out at such a person?
To harass them...
Or to subject them to any kind of verbal or physical hostility?

Is it all happening just because it irritates you?

Give it some actual thought...

Brandon Rivera2 said:Like, is smashing some greasy burgers and onions in the middle of Times Square really the vibe everyone's looking for?

Look, I don’t know... it’s never really been a big deal to me—life is already exhausting enough without getting worked up because someone decided to grab a bite in a public square. People eat right next to me all the time, and frankly, I fail to see the issue here...

I think it’s worth questioning why you’re so fixated on this whole "eating burgers" thing—it’s pretty obvious that the mere sight of someone eating in public hits a nerve with you personally, and one has to wonder why exactly that is...

As for me, it doesn't bother me in the slightest—as long as the person isn't making a complete mess of things, like shoving food up their nose or doing something equally absurd...

So, who exactly are we talking about here?

Brandon Rivera2 said:We're talking about eating burgers and onions out in the open, like on a downtown plaza or something similar, rather than inside an actual restaurant...

But honestly, does a designated public space even exist where two people can just share a hug or a kiss without being scrutinized?...

Brandon Rivera2 said:Everyone acts like they’re all about being tolerant and stuff, but honestly, if they saw someone eating a massive, messy burger with extra onions right next to them in a crowded place, they’d change their tune pretty fast...

well, a diner is definitely a public space...

It’s a relief we finally made it to psychology class

Brandon Rivera2 said:—And if you’re referring to the Catholic Church, let's be honest, it's already crawling with homosexuals anyway...

Wait, so what happened to Orthodox Jews? Are they just exempt from being homosexuals?

nimblegardener7 said:The point was completely missed. I said more people are becoming tolerant or acting indifferent toward homosexuality because they mimic what they see—watching perversions and becoming perverse themselves. But not everyone becomes gay; it depends on the inclination a person already has. It’s like how not everyone with a genetic predisposition becomes gay (for example, there aren't any among Orthodox Jews).

That still doesn't explain what your actual problem is. Like, specifically with lesbians?
It's just obvious you don't know anyone who isn't heterosexual (though you probably do, maybe you just don't realize they're gay since people usually hide it).

And if it works that way, why don't all gay people become straight when we're surrounded by so much straight material? You'd think it worked both ways, but clearly it doesn't; I guess they're resistant.

I've already laid out my views in detail in previous posts, so I won't repeat myself. And yes, I am quite familiar with the homosexual population, for private reasons.

Then why are Catholics included?

How does that even work?

What exactly are they doing wrong? Are they... perverse? These Catholics?

nimblegardener7 said:The point was completely missed. I said more people are becoming tolerant or acting indifferent toward homosexuality because they mimic what they see—watching perversions and becoming perverse themselves. But not everyone becomes gay; it depends on the inclination a person already has. It’s like how not everyone with a genetic predisposition becomes gay (for example, there aren't any among Orthodox Jews).

That still doesn't explain what your actual problem is. Like, specifically with lesbians?
It's just obvious you don't know anyone who isn't heterosexual (though you probably do, maybe you just don't realize they're gay since people usually hide it).

And if it works that way, why don't all gay people become straight when we're surrounded by so much straight material? You'd think it worked both ways, but clearly it doesn't; I guess they're resistant.

I've already laid out my views in detail in previous posts, so I won't repeat myself. And yes, I am quite familiar with the homosexual population, for private reasons.

Oh, sure—and there aren't any among the monks or priests either, since they're all celibate, right?

isn't that just how it works?

You certainly have a... unique way of interpreting human sexuality...

Do you actually realize that sexual orientation isn't determined by an individual's outward behavior?

Brandon Rivera2 said:Public spaces come with certain social rules. Even minor things can be seen as totally inappropriate in public, like eating food or something. At home, you can do whatever you want.

Where on earth do you live, man? What kind of "infraction" are we even talking about here?

Is hugging and kissing considered a crime now?

Or is it perfectly fine if I do it with my girlfriend, but if two guys or two girls do it, suddenly they've committed a "social infraction"—just like eating in public, right?... It’s getting ridiculous...

nimblegardener7 said:It seems to me that you, much like our civilization, suffer from an infant complex. You seem to think the world begins with us. But for centuries upon centuries, through millennia, homosexuality, various sexual deviations... just as well as pedophilia, was viewed in healthy societies as—well, a mental disorder. In modern terms: a personality disorder. Perhaps even a manic disorder, or an egocentric disturbance of consciousness. And socially speaking—
a form of maladjustment and an asocial, violent, impulsive-compulsive disorder.

I guess I wonder why an aggressive minority of Western psychiatrists and gay lobbies would be wiser than countless civilizations and thousands of years of human experience—and indeed, nature and Quincy Himself—given that they are designed in such a way that they CANNOT reproduce.

How exactly can they not reproduce? If people are physically healthy, they can have children just fine—it’s how we’ve built entire families and societies throughout history, whether through men and women, or through gay individuals who spend their lives hiding who they are, or simply watching marriages fall apart once the lies become too heavy to carry.

Do you honestly believe that homosexual people don't marry and have children within heterosexual unions?

nimblegardener7 said:The Law of the Human Mind: people become what they observe. Or, well, a monkey does what a monkey sees. If someone spends too much time in that kind of environment, or watches that sort of pornography...

...is something actually going to happen?

Are you trying to suggest that homosexuality is contagious?

By that logic, what about bisexuality—does that travel through the airwaves too?

But seriously, does anything actually change?
Will some poor, innocent soul succumb against their will to whatever "evil forces" they're exposed to, or will someone perfectly innocent just suddenly become gay?

So, you're saying people who hang out with gay or lesbian folks start imitating them spontaneously—like monkeys, as you put it—as if humans possess some sort of magical power to hypnotize us poor heterosexuals...

Have you personally experienced this, or are you just theorizing that the monkey really does mimic the monkey?

Even if we accept your premise, it doesn't explain what your specific issue is—say, with lesbians, for example?
It seems obvious you haven't actually known anyone who isn't heterosexual (though you likely have, and they just kept it under wraps, which is only natural)

And how is it that all gay people don't simply turn heterosexual, given that we are surrounded by an endless supply of hetero material? One might think the influence works both ways, but clearly it doesn't... I suppose they must be immune.

Brandon Rivera2 said:Why would I even look at you in public? You can hook up at home as much as you want. Unless, well, maybe you don't have a roof over your head so you gotta do it outside...

Well, you don't have to look at anyone if you don't want to; nobody is forcing you. You could always just stare at the ground

or up at the sky...

nimblegardener7 said:Don't try to be sneaky about this—there's a massive difference between adult film stars doing their jobs for a paycheck and some gross person being a lesbian. And honestly, who even decides if today's guys are "normal" or if consuming porn online is normal... especially when someone spends twelve hours jerking off at a computer while life passes them by...

So, someone actually told you that, huh?

But come on, give me a specific example—what exactly do you find so repulsive about the lesbian population? I mean, where does this aversion even stem from... did some girl with a buzzcut beat you up when you were a kid or something?

You claim this is just a "natural reaction"

yet I don't experience this supposed "natural" revulsion; quite the opposite, really... if there's a couple of girls worth looking at, my natural reactions tend to lean in a different direction...

So, does that make you more "natural" than I am?

You must be eating better than I am...

Brandon Rivera2 said:Seriously though, who's actually getting worked up over stuff happening in public? Does everyone really need to witness everything? People are only as free as society lets them be...

Look, here’s the thing—I can argue with anyone, anywhere I want, whenever I feel like it... provided they feel the same way. And honestly, it’s not just a right—officially, at least, as long as you don't cross some line—but personally, I just couldn't care less what people think...

I happen to be in a heterosexual relationship at the moment...

Now, if things were different—if, God forbid, I were in a relationship with someone of the same sex, say a man—and we felt like having a little disagreement, just being humans... well, then we’d actually have to think three times before acting. We’d have to watch where we are and when we do it, because there’s a very real chance someone might physically attack us...

Even if it’s just some random bystander sitting at a coffee shop who doesn't even have any same-sex inclinations themselves... they could end up getting screwed just by being near us...

Can you even imagine someone deciding to attack you—even if they’re just being affectionate—simply because you’re being intimate with your current partner in a public space?

It’s grim, isn't it? Unless you’re planning on performing some sort of solo act on a crowded subway or stripping down in the middle of a pub—which, assuming you're a socially adjusted human being, probably won't happen easily—the reality is much darker...

And see, that's the problem—people of that orientation aren't quite as lucky...
Those individuals can face serious trouble if they show affection or emotional closeness to the person they love, all without knowing if some primitive jerk is going to lash out at them... which can lead to getting beaten up, not to mention the entire social stigma and the endless complications that follow...

So now I’m thinking... imagine if two male friends—heterosexual, Christian, Americans—decided one day, just for kicks, to walk through town holding hands?
Just as a joke, maybe on a dare...
I’m genuinely curious what kind of reactions they’d get from the crowd, and I wonder which part of the city they’d even be allowed to walk through...

Because, goddammit, "they're acting like queers, it's not right, you can't do that in public, two people holding hands like that... it needs to be stopped."

Brandon Rivera2 said:I mean, why would two dudes need to be getting aggressive in public anyway?...

Well, why not... people are free agents in this country, after all...

And honestly, it’s not even like you don't see guys getting aggressive in public all the time—just the other day, I watched two guys nearly flip an entire table at a diner and almost take out everyone's drinks...

Henry Williams said:Do you actually know how to have a civil conversation? What kind of nonsense is this? 👎

Look, let’s be realistic here—if you start throwing a tantrum over someone scoring a goal, what kind of sane person reacts by just closing their eyes and pretending they aren't there?
I assume you look perfectly normal to the average person, so I find it quite strange that you'd suggest people would just suddenly ignore your existence simply because a goal was scored...

Maybe some people actually would

And you haven't even begun to scratch the surface of the bifobia issue yet—heaven help us... wait until that actually becomes the topic at hand.