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Gary Wilson Gary Wilson Active MemberOP
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#1 ·
What does it actually take for someone to grow up—even well into their twenties—and transform into an absolute monster, a completely soulless creature?

Is it strictly a matter of family background—say, growing up with a drunk father and an alcoholic mother—or is there something else deeper at play here?

Whenever I hear about stuff like this, one question immediately hits me: How on earth is this person going to raise children?
Someone like this is bound to be cruel toward people, too—that’s a guarantee.

http://www.washingtondc-news.com/us/article...news#comments

So, I’ve thrown a few questions out there—if anyone has their own take on what causes this kind of idiocy...
Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
259 messages
joined Jul 2009
#2 ·
Gary Wilson said:What does it actually take for someone to grow up—even well into their twenties—and transform into an absolute monster, a completely soulless creature?

Is it strictly a matter of family background—say, growing up with a drunk father and an alcoholic mother—or is there something else deeper at play here?

Whenever I hear about stuff like this, one question immediately hits me: How on earth is this person going to raise children?
Someone like this is bound to be cruel toward people, too—that’s a guarantee.

http://www.washingtondc-news.com/us/article...news#comments

So, I’ve thrown a few questions out there—if anyone has their own take on what causes this kind of idiocy...

It's a disaster. People like this really shouldn't be allowed in society. 👎👎👎
Gary Wilson Gary Wilson Active MemberOP
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#3 ·
Anthony James2 said:It's a disaster. People like this really shouldn't be allowed in society. 👎👎👎

I don't disagree with that—but the real question is, how does someone even become that kind of person?
Anthony James2 Anthony James2 Regular
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#4 ·
Gary Wilson said:I don't disagree with that—but the real question is, how does someone even become that kind of person?

Who knows. Honestly, I'd bet on family upbringing most of the time. Then again, you've got people who are just born wired wrong. And then there's the third category: those folks who pull some absolute nonsense out of pure childhood curiosity that borders on being completely brainless. 😎 😎 😎
Nicholas Cruz7 Nicholas Cruz7 Member
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joined Feb 2009
#5 ·
You really ought to look up the actual definitions of a sociopath versus a psychopath.
I’ve never bought into that whole "troubled family background" excuse, whether we’re talking about these types or even the worst kind of predators.
By the way, there was a particularly gruesome case out in Indianapolis recently involving someone setting a dog on fire while it was still alive.
It’s a slippery slope that starts with simple delinquency and ends with hardened criminals.
Honestly, there’s a bit of darkness lurking in everyone, and we only turn into monsters if we let that impulse take control.
placidwolf27 placidwolf27 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#6 ·
Psychopathy is essentially driven by abnormal brain development—it isn't about excuses, nor is it some simple matter of being "evil"...

The crucial detail in this entire situation is that the individual kicked a cat, not—heaven forbid—a child.
It’s likely more a reflection of their specific worldview and mindset rather than some deep-seated, severe pathology...

Then again, one could argue they are a psychopath, but you certainly can't make a definitive call just from watching a video clip.
electricviper2 electricviper2 Newcomer
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joined Apr 2010
#7 ·
Gary Wilson said:What does it actually take for someone to grow up—even well into their twenties—and transform into an absolute monster, a completely soulless creature?

Is it strictly a matter of family background—say, growing up with a drunk father and an alcoholic mother—or is there something else deeper at play here?

Whenever I hear about stuff like this, one question immediately hits me: How on earth is this person going to raise children?
Someone like this is bound to be cruel toward people, too—that’s a guarantee.

http://www.washingtondc-news.com/us/article...news#comments

So, I’ve thrown a few questions out there—if anyone has their own take on what causes this kind of idiocy...

First off...it's just TRAGIC👎
The thing is, calling this guy a "moron" isn't quite right, because being a moron should be treated like a medical condition...
This is just a textbook example of pure primitivism. You know, that whole way of living where people just refuse to keep up with scientific, technological, or cultural
advancements in the world, basically standing in opposition to everything that’s actually progressive and normal, which inevitably
just causes these primitive groups or individuals to drift further and further away from modern standards over time...
Basically, we're looking at one guy, or maybe a tiny little clique of primitives, who thinks—and the worst part is they actually believe—that doing something this mindless will somehow make them famous...
Anyway, they deserve a serious reprimand, and honestly, someone should really nail this guy with a punishment so heavy he never forgets the exact day, hour, minute, and second he thought this was a good idea...
Since this brand of primitivism seems to be baked into almost every corner of life here in America, I guess all we can do is sit back and helplessly watch scenes like this play out...
Heavy penalties are the only language these types actually understand, but... man, we are still such a long way from being able to enforce that, a really, really long way...Unfortunately!!!
mistyseal11 mistyseal11 Regular
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joined Aug 2007
#8 ·
Man, I can't even hit a ball hard enough to send it flying 50 meters...

but hey, this actually gives me a killer idea: I should just grab a stuffed animal and absolutely wreck it during my five minutes of pure freedom.
Carl Jones41 Carl Jones41 Newcomer
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#9 ·
It isn't always the family's fault.
I know people who truly raised their children well, only to see one turn out wonderful and kind to the neighbors, while the other becomes an absolute jerk.
Society plays a massive role too, especially if people are naive.
Nathan Kim10 Nathan Kim10 Active Member
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joined Mar 2010
#10 ·
Nicholas Cruz7 said:You really ought to look up the actual definitions of a sociopath versus a psychopath.
I’ve never bought into that whole "troubled family background" excuse, whether we’re talking about these types or even the worst kind of predators.
By the way, there was a particularly gruesome case out in Indianapolis recently involving someone setting a dog on fire while it was still alive.
It’s a slippery slope that starts with simple delinquency and ends with hardened criminals.
Honestly, there’s a bit of darkness lurking in everyone, and we only turn into monsters if we let that impulse take control.

A bit off topic, I guess. An animal rights group over in Indianapolis is offering $1667 rewards for any info leading to the people behind this disgusting crime.
Nathan Kim10 Nathan Kim10 Active Member
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joined Mar 2010
#11 ·
Gary Wilson said:What does it actually take for someone to grow up—even well into their twenties—and transform into an absolute monster, a completely soulless creature?

Is it strictly a matter of family background—say, growing up with a drunk father and an alcoholic mother—or is there something else deeper at play here?

Whenever I hear about stuff like this, one question immediately hits me: How on earth is this person going to raise children?
Someone like this is bound to be cruel toward people, too—that’s a guarantee.

http://www.washingtondc-news.com/us/article...news#comments

So, I’ve thrown a few questions out there—if anyone has their own take on what causes this kind of idiocy...

It’s funny how you didn't say anything when that guy from Little Rock was in Washington, D.C., letting his pitbull attack a helpless dog and filming the whole thing. Those guys even posted it on Facebook, bragging about how vicious their dog is. Nobody was even charged, even though everyone knows exactly who he is.☕
This situation is also a crime, but it's nowhere near as bad as what I just described.
cosmicwolf27 cosmicwolf27 Member
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joined Apr 2010
#12 ·
If you’re born wired wrong, there’s no fixing it.☕
And if you also happen to have parents who can't get their act together? Well, just my luck.
Henry Williams Henry Williams Member
24 messages
joined Sep 2010
#13 ·
I mean, how does someone even manage to kick a poor cat that hard? It was like he launched the little thing straight into orbit.
Karen Adams2 Karen Adams2 Active Member
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joined Mar 2010
#14 ·
I don't think this boils down to family dynamics or upbringing, though I suppose that plays its part in the background. To put it bluntly, I believe we're dealing with someone who is just absolutely riddled with insecurities and, if you'll excuse my language, a total wimp😁. He acts like such a tough guy, but honestly, it takes real backbone to actually stand up for something...🤣I can only assume that one day he'll end up getting physical with his own wife just to try and prove how "manly" he is. That’s just the breed of person he is; the moment they run into someone actually stronger than them, they shrink until they're practically invisible.
Zachary Mendoza2 Zachary Mendoza2 Active Member
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joined Jul 2010
#15 ·
One doesn't need a traumatic upbringing or a history of monsters in the family to act this way in today's climate. It is enough that they simply believe it is a good idea. In that movie, everyone thinks kicking a cat is a great idea and finds it entertaining. Many terrible things have happened and continue to happen. We just choose not to think about them, and when we finally encounter them, we wonder how it was even possible. We lack answers, yet we persist in the belief that monsters are mere exceptions—something inhuman, caused by faulty genes or sadistic parents. We cling to the idea that people don't inherently possess such darkness.
Unfortunately, "human nature" is a meaningless concept. A person can become anything they choose—an angel or a monster—or shift their beliefs and behaviors whenever circumstances change. There is no foolproof way to predict or prevent monsters, because anyone can become one. All we can do is make it harder through proper upbringing and fostering self-awareness and empathy. But there is a downside: we remain shocked by monsters and have no clue how to handle them. We lose our insight, which robs us of the ability to understand, foresee, and prevent situations where the inner monster surfaces. When it happens, we usually just hear: "But he was such a quiet, polite young man; he's been my neighbor my whole life and never caused trouble. I have no idea what happened to him 🤷"
Rebecca Williams11 Rebecca Williams11 Member
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joined May 2008
#16 ·
electricviper2 said:First off...it's just TRAGIC👎
The thing is, calling this guy a "moron" isn't quite right, because being a moron should be treated like a medical condition...
This is just a textbook example of pure primitivism. You know, that whole way of living where people just refuse to keep up with scientific, technological, or cultural
advancements in the world, basically standing in opposition to everything that’s actually progressive and normal, which inevitably
just causes these primitive groups or individuals to drift further and further away from modern standards over time...
Basically, we're looking at one guy, or maybe a tiny little clique of primitives, who thinks—and the worst part is they actually believe—that doing something this mindless will somehow make them famous...
Anyway, they deserve a serious reprimand, and honestly, someone should really nail this guy with a punishment so heavy he never forgets the exact day, hour, minute, and second he thought this was a good idea...
Since this brand of primitivism seems to be baked into almost every corner of life here in America, I guess all we can do is sit back and helplessly watch scenes like this play out...
Heavy penalties are the only language these types actually understand, but... man, we are still such a long way from being able to enforce that, a really, really long way...Unfortunately!!!

I'm totally with you on this whole primitivism thing.
It's just a huge, widespread phenomenon here in America, and as much as I hate admitting it, it's everywhere. Sometimes I scroll through certain Facebook groups run by people from our neck of the woods, and I literally can't even process some of the names, comments, or just the general logic people use there. It's gross.
It makes me feel like they should just be locked up in a pen like sheep, left to rot by themselves without any contact with the outside world—just like they've lived until now, because honestly, it's better for everyone.

edit: animal abuse is one of those things that actual killers usually do right before they commit a murder.
placidwolf27 placidwolf27 Active Member
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joined Mar 2012
#17 ·
Zachary Mendoza2 said:One doesn't need a traumatic upbringing or a history of monsters in the family to act this way in today's climate. It is enough that they simply believe it is a good idea. In that movie, everyone thinks kicking a cat is a great idea and finds it entertaining. Many terrible things have happened and continue to happen. We just choose not to think about them, and when we finally encounter them, we wonder how it was even possible. We lack answers, yet we persist in the belief that monsters are mere exceptions—something inhuman, caused by faulty genes or sadistic parents. We cling to the idea that people don't inherently possess such darkness.
Unfortunately, "human nature" is a meaningless concept. A person can become anything they choose—an angel or a monster—or shift their beliefs and behaviors whenever circumstances change. There is no foolproof way to predict or prevent monsters, because anyone can become one. All we can do is make it harder through proper upbringing and fostering self-awareness and empathy. But there is a downside: we remain shocked by monsters and have no clue how to handle them. We lose our insight, which robs us of the ability to understand, foresee, and prevent situations where the inner monster surfaces. When it happens, we usually just hear: "But he was such a quiet, polite young man; he's been my neighbor my whole life and never caused trouble. I have no idea what happened to him 🤷"

precisely so

Zachary Mendoza2 said:One doesn't need a traumatic upbringing or a history of monsters in the family to act this way in today's climate. It is enough that they simply believe it is a good idea. In that movie, everyone thinks kicking a cat is a great idea and finds it entertaining. Many terrible things have happened and continue to happen. We just choose not to think about them, and when we finally encounter them, we wonder how it was even possible. We lack answers, yet we persist in the belief that monsters are mere exceptions—something inhuman, caused by faulty genes or sadistic parents. We cling to the idea that people don't inherently possess such darkness.
Unfortunately, "human nature" is a meaningless concept. A person can become anything they choose—an angel or a monster—or shift their beliefs and behaviors whenever circumstances change. There is no foolproof way to predict or prevent monsters, because anyone can become one. All we can do is make it harder through proper upbringing and fostering self-awareness and empathy. But there is a downside: we remain shocked by monsters and have no clue how to handle them. We lose our insight, which robs us of the ability to understand, foresee, and prevent situations where the inner monster surfaces. When it happens, we usually just hear: "But he was such a quiet, polite young man; he's been my neighbor my whole life and never caused trouble. I have no idea what happened to him 🤷"

twice as true
Rebecca Williams11 Rebecca Williams11 Member
15 messages
joined May 2008
#18 ·
Honestly, I feel like thinking that hurting a cat is somehow okay isn't just weird—it's totally unhinged. Anyone who thinks that’s a good idea has to be seriously traumatized by their home life or just born completely broken.

I don't know a single "normal" person on this planet who would ever think kicking a cat is a decent idea.
Part of being a decent human being involves having empathy and compassion for other people and all living creatures, but clearly, monsters like this guy don't have a clue what that means.
A regular person is going to pet a cat; only some twisted, damaged idiot and a straight-up monster would go out of their way to cause pain.
Zachary Mendoza2 Zachary Mendoza2 Active Member
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joined Jul 2010
#19 ·
white panties. What are your thoughts on, say, the massacre in Rwanda back in 2004? Here is a random link regarding that topic:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbgPkxOSmDE
In a small African nation, one million people were killed over just four months, mostly by mobs and machetes. Neighbors turned on neighbors. It happened because there was a widespread belief that it was a good idea. This genocide against the Tutsi mirrors the Holocaust carried out by the Nazis across Europe using industrial methods; anyone could try to ignore the results of the Rwandan genocide, yet they remain undeniable.
Whether we discuss Srebrenica, the expansionist policies of the Roman Empire, the conquistadors, the Crusaders, North Korea, Japanese atrocities against the Chinese, Turkish crimes against Armenians, the genocide of Native Americans, or various regimes in Africa, Latin America, and beyond... the list is endless.
Or consider recent history, when we believed it was acceptable to kill, torture, and displace fellow citizens based on their nationality or political views. Look at the poems from that era:
http://www.youtube.com/watch#!v=Zr8o...eature=related
Ultimately, what do we truly know about the monsters living among us, demonstrating their sadism toward their own families behind closed doors, just steps away from us? Our understanding is very limited. It is simply not popular to speak or think about such things. It is easier to remain silent and believe in inherent human goodness.
Andrew Watson59 Andrew Watson59 Member
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joined Nov 2010
#20 ·
The government is at fault when the Animal Welfare Act fails to properly punish psychopaths like this. He knows he can get away with it, so he thinks he’s untouchable. Honestly, I bet he’d do the exact same thing to a child if he knew there were no consequences. Once the state actually starts enforcing prison sentences or massive fines, this maniac won't even think about laying a finger on an animal, let alone doing something worse.

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