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feralpilot0 said:Yeah.
I actually took a look at it just because of this thread.
The first half is great—it’s got that classic 90s sci-fi vibe😍—but the second half feels like a total slog.
Man, that Alien influence... 🤦😁

Fair enough, but I feel like the movie actually has... hm... "soul." And you have to admit, considering the era and the budget, the effects still hold up incredibly well. Plus, the story isn't boring—it really keeps you hooked throughout, even if the ending doesn't quite hit as hard as the first half. It's not a disaster, though; honestly, the ending is decent enough.

To me personally, it’s just a really dear sci-fi flick. 🍿

Olivia Alvarez said:Honestly, I don't know—to me, Arrival is outstanding. It isn't even in the same league as Contact, whether you're looking at the themes or anything else. I just can't compare those two movies at all...

And I’ve only watched it once—as a mother, it was incredibly heavy and emotional, just deeply moving... And that's what I value most in cinema—that emotional impact.

But hey, to each their own. 🙂

I appreciate emotional impact too, but I really can't wrap my head around psychedelia in film—while Arrival definitely has plenty of it, to each their own, I suppose. 🙂. 🙂

Morgan Rodriguez57 said:Arrival 1996 rocks. It's my absolute guilty pleasure. 😳

But specifically the one from '96.

Hahahhaha, I feel you!

I actually posted something similar here just the other day—Arrival 1996 rocks! It's always been such a favorite of mine. Just one of those movies I truly love. High five! 🙂

Grace Sanchez50 said:Yeah, it's a bit better.

Oh, absolutely—everything about it feels like it belongs in the 16mm era. It’s tense as hell. You get this genuine sense of being caught in a fever dream, and honestly, the longer you wait for the resolution, the more you just want to yell at the screen.

And believe me, I have plenty of patience when it comes to cinema. But comparing this to Contact—which, again, holds you captive from the opening frame to the very last through sheer intelligence—is a stretch. That movie carries a message that I’ll say it again: it’s still incredibly ahead of its time today.

Contact doesn't lean on psychedelia like Arrival does; it goes straight for the jugular in that classic 90s style—direct, intellectual, and even spiritual.

If you were to suggest I sit down and watch Arrival again, I’d probably have to ask how much you're paying me.

bluecyclist64 said:Arrival is a total letdown—Contact is a legend.☕

Hahahhaha, you hit the nail on the head there, man.👍

Honestly, Arrival is such a massive disappointment... what a waste of time.

Comparing it to Contact? Good grief. I’m just going to stop typing now, because I can already feel the wave of Arrival fanboys coming for my throat.

Look, I genuinely love working with films from Denis Villeneuve—I really do—but Arrival is massively overrated.

Where does it even stand compared to Contact? God help us.

Olivia Alvarez said:Sign everything.🙏 It’s light years ahead of its time—honestly, totally... While I found the book absolutely fantastic, there is just something about the movie that hits differently. That intro? Unbeatable. It’s easily the most beautiful opening sequence I've ever seen. To be fair, the film actually inspired me to major in physics—it truly changed the course of my life.

I just finished reading this piece on why *Contact* remains such a massive standout in the sci-fi genre—and honestly, I couldn't agree more. It’s one of those rare films that manages to feel both deeply intimate and cosmically vast at the same time. The author makes a really compelling argument about how the film handles the concept of "the first contact." Instead of leaning into the usual Hollywood tropes of laser battles or global panic, it focuses on the intellectual and emotional weight of the moment. There’s something so profoundly human about the way it explores our curiosity and our fear. It also touches on the legacy of the story, specifically looking at how much we still talk about it decades later. When you think about the sheer scale of the themes involved—science vs. faith, the loneliness of the universe, the drive to understand the unknown—it’s clear why it holds up. It isn't just a movie about aliens; it's a movie about us. If you haven't revisited it lately, or if you're someone who prefers science fiction that actually makes you *think* rather than just providing a spectacle, this is definitely worth a read. It really captures why *Contact being a legend* isn't just hyperbole—it's an earned reputation.

👍

Both the film and the book had quite an impact on me growing up.

I don't think I've ever seen a film—aside from Contact and 2001: A Space Odyssey—that truly delivers such a profound message to humanity. It’s rare to find a movie that bridges the gap between spirituality and science so seamlessly, showing how they actually complement one another. They shouldn't be at odds; in fact, they shouldn't be—they're two sides of the same coin. The human spirit and scientific inquiry aren't opposing forces; they are essentially one and the same.

It’s honestly a struggle to even begin explaining this movie to someone—I know, I know, I've said it before and I'll say it again—but the film is just lightyears ahead of its time.

Olivia Alvarez said:Will you marry me?

🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

I can't even remember if I ever read someone mentioning that Contact is my number one... I think I've watched it at least a hundred times. It is such an underrated gem—honestly my all-time favorite—with Abyss right there behind it.

Thanks so much, you really made my day 🙂🙂

For me, Contact being a legend is a given; it's easily one of my favorites. It’s incredibly underrated, and in my opinion, one of those rare films that manages to be deeply intelligent and genuinely witty all at once.

I truly believe that movie is still light-years ahead of its time—back in '97, it was already way ahead of the curve, and honestly, it still feels far ahead of where our society is today.

A top-tier documentary... and this comes from someone who has seen Michael Jordan as the greatest to ever play the game from childhood until today, for me, Michael Jordan = Basketball.

Those folks calling him an addict or whatever else—that’ll always be their take—but this will always be our perspective on Michael Jordan.

Me and millions of others—maybe even billions—to me, Michael Jordan is the basketball GOD. He is something that will simply never surface on a court again; that specific blend of charisma, popularity, controversy, and sheer genius, all wrapped into one single package.

There were plenty of great geniuses before Michael Jordan and plenty after him, but in my eyes, he will always remain unique—his name will always echo louder than the rest.

People used to place his photos right next to images of Jesus; they even called him saint Michael Jordan back when he was playing. In total defiance of the world, he raised his hand toward God—just to stick it to them—not hiding it after the game, a rebel with or without a cause.

Songs were written and sung for him while he played, and they still are today...

MICHAEL JORDAN.... MICHAEL JORDAN... MICHAEL JORDAN...

In a New Orleans jersey, in the Argentina jersey, that number ten on his back... defying the best defenses in the US at the time, defying the social rules of the era through pure genius and charisma—bringing all of Northern US pride to its knees, especially since they looked down on the South with such prejudice and racism. To those people in New Orleans, he was God; to the rest of us around the world, nothing less...

Michael Jordan... Michael Jordan...

Or, as we loved to call him when we were kids, simply: DIEGO... and that legendary number ten on his back... everything else is just....

History...

...that will never... happen... again.

Honestly, you just have to look at those guys over at RedLetterMedia—they spend three and a half !!! dissecting the Rise of Skywalker. Three and a half !!!

HEY!

It doesn't even matter how interesting they might be regarding movies in general; I mean, spending THREE AND A HALF HOURS debating a single film on YouTube? Come on!

People don't spend that much time discussing things like if Jesus showed up on MTV or appeared on a show like Sunday at 2 so that man

So, those people (including Mr. Plinkett, whoever he may be to some) are basically candidates for a psychiatric evaluation—and why those evaluations aren't more common globally is a whole different conversation.

I’ve seen it happen so many times where, say, with the prequels, those fanatics weren't just analyzing the plot; they were analyzing the clouds in the sky—like, were the clouds positioned incorrectly? Was the Force used the right way in the prequels?

Hahaha, I mean... look, sociopaths—no offense intended to anyone.

Because if they weren't Socoipat, or even—dare I say—psychopaths, they wouldn't have driven the actor who played Jar Jar Binks into a breakdown. I mean, the guy was innocent, LITERALLY unknown, and yet the way they treated him over the CGI Binks stuff was so relentless that he practically needed psychiatric help. He spent years dealing with the fallout, and that kid who played Anakin Skywalker in The Phantom Menace is struggling with schizophrenia today.

At this point, we aren't talking about movie fans; we're talking about sociopaths or even psychopaths.

Emily Myers32 said:Star Wars has honestly exceeded every single expectation. Even George Lucas couldn't have predicted—let alone hoped for—a result this massive. I mean, you can't just wake up one morning and decide, "Alright, today's the day I’m going to go out and create a cultural phenomenon for a new era." That's just not how it works, right?

It’s honestly reached a point where some people feel even the creator himself wasn't good enough—as if what he originally envisioned simply didn't meet their standards. It feels like a mass psychosis, a strange kind of phenomenon. Clearly, this saga struck a chord with such a huge group of people that they're reacting to the films and the storytelling in an extreme way—to the point where a certain crowd is willing to act out in completely irrational ways just because of it. For some reason, a massive portion of the fanbase takes the entire Star Wars saga incredibly personally and emotionally. I actually have a theory about why this is happening, but I'll save that for another post—I don't want to get too carried away here.

I will say this—Marvel's movies are visually stunning, the heroes are great, and everything is undeniably fun—but they just haven't quite struck that perfect chord. Not for me, anyway. No one really has.

I wouldn't go around comparing Marvel movies to Avatar. Honestly, if you ask me, Avatar is just a flashy film that relies way too much on special effects to carry its weight. I’d much rather stick to comparing them to Jurassic Park—it’s still a fantastic movie, featuring a solid concept and truly stellar execution.

Honestly, if you ask me, Jurassic Park is ten times better than all three of the Star Wars sequels combined—and I mean in every single aspect of filmmaking. 😁.

Regarding what you mentioned about Star Wars—you're not wrong, those fans really can be intense. I mean, look, there’s a massive difference between being a true fanatic for a saga—for instance, I’m a huge devotee of Terminator 1 & 2 (the whole Terminator franchise, really; I’m sure everyone reading this PDF already knows that part)—and just being completely obsessed. There is a distinction between having a deep appreciation for Art and just being plain crazy.

Now, in my honest opinion—and I mean this sincerely—Star Wars fans are borderline delusional. It’s actually wild. I honestly can’t wrap my head around what keeps half of them from seeking out a professional psychiatric evaluation; they really should be checked out because that whole crowd is just... well, they aren't exactly sane.

At the end of the day, the real difference between the Star Wars fanbase and any other group of film buffs is that Star Wars actually has a religion—and I mean that quite literally. It’s an officially recognized belief system, not just a hobby.

Honestly, those people have completely lost the plot—there isn't enough sense in the world to deal with them, it’s just pure madness. I’ve crossed paths with plenty of them over the years, and I never once viewed them as actual movie fans; they were just straight-up lunatics. Usually, my only solution was to just stop engaging with them entirely. They aren't enthusiasts—they're fanatics. Especially those die-hard Star Wars OT fans? Those guys are genuinely unhinged and could probably use some professional help. There is absolutely no excuse or justification—I don't care how much someone argues about how massive Star Wars became—nothing justifies that level of behavior. It’s beyond irrational.

You really can't have a rational conversation with certain Star Wars "fans"—and I use that term loosely—because they’re basically obsessed with psychological profiling over actual storytelling. They remind me of those ISIS fanatics you see on the news; just total zealots who refuse any kind of dialogue. Honestly, they have zero connection to the cinematic world itself. It makes you wonder if they should even be categorized as film fans at all, or if they’re just a group of people who need a clinical evaluation. Truly, they are.

In that regard, Star Wars is definitely a unique phenomenon—I mean, just look at the fanbase. It’s reached a point where some fans are borderline sociopaths—well, if you really think about it, they kind of are.

I mean, look... I’ve seen plenty of Star Trek fans out there—and honestly, call me a fanatic if you want, because I’ve watched every single episode of every series multiple times now—but there's a difference. Star Trek fans seem pretty level-headed; they aren't going to go on a rampage or start attacking people. It's just not that kind of toxic culture.

I’ve seen the die-hard fans of Lord of the Rings, I've seen the Matrix devotees, and honestly, I’ve encountered enthusiasts for pretty much every major film franchise out there—but nobody is quite as intense as the Star Wars fanbase. No offense intended to anyone here, really, but man—certain segments of the Star Wars community are just on another level. It’s reached a point where it doesn't even seem to be about the movies anymore; it feels like they’ve completely lost the plot. At this stage, Star Wars shouldn't even be categorized under "Film" in a database—you might as well just list it under "Religion." ☕

Or... better yet, just hand the Star Wars fanatics a PDF titled PSYCHOLOGY.

Aaron Walker25 said:I spent some time thinking about it, and I finally had to make a choice—I don't know...
Personally, I feel like the 😁Hobbit
should have been included in this poll.
The thing is, Star Wars fans are actually the biggest enemies of the franchise itself.
A certain segment of the fanbase reminds me of followers of Abrahamic religions—you know, Orthodox Jews, Christians, Muslims—where any interpretation of the faith other than their own is considered sacrilege.
Even if an almighty God tried to film the Star Wars sequels, He wouldn't be able to please all of them; it would be just like trying to satisfy Orthodox Jews, Catholics, Orthodox Christians, Shiites, Sunnis, and so on...
With Marvel fans, you don't see this kind of philosophical debate or deep-seated disagreement—there isn't a whole theology built around it. These movies are meant for relaxing and having fun; they were designed that way from the start, and nobody expects anything more.

On the flip side, people expected a massive amount from the Star Wars franchise, and the biggest issue is those very expectations—combined with certain groups trying to push their own agendas through the series.

But despite all the creative shortcomings, I still think Star Wars will survive. In ten years, people will still be debating what went wrong, why things happened the way they did, or why it wasn't done differently... whereas I suspect Marvel movies might eventually meet the fate of Avatar.

I agree with pretty much everything you said, except for the part about the Avengers meeting the fate of Avatar. Avatar was a phenomenon, but a bit of a hollow one—not necessarily the movie itself, but the concept. It didn't have a backstory before the film, nor did it have a dedicated fanbase beforehand (since there was no "Avatar" in comics or anywhere else), whereas the MCU has actually existed much longer than Star Wars if we're being honest—dating back to 1961🙂, just not on the big screen until recently.

For instance, personally (and I can't speak for everyone, just me), I grew up reading comics featuring all these MCU characters. In that sense, I'm basically just like any typical American, haha.

P.S. I have to hand it to you, though—comparing Star Wars fans to followers of Abrahamic religions? Hahaha, you absolutely nailed it.👍

Emily Myers32 said:Well, when it comes to epic battle scenes, Lord of the Rings is king.

Honestly, Lord of the Rings exists in its own league—I’m pretty much obsessed with it, haha. I honestly can't even tell you how many times I've sat through all three movies; I've lost count...

I remember back when I was younger and had zero responsibilities—I'd just go totally wild and marathon all three films from evening until dawn XD.

Let me put it this way—and maybe it's just me—but there have been moments where I felt like I was actually going to explode from pure emotion in the theater (you know that feeling where you're just overwhelmed 🤣). It happened during certain Lord of the Rings scenes in the cinema, then again with some parts of the Dark Knight trilogy, and finally—Sugar at the end (and I'm sure there will be more moments like this)—the Avengers, specifically that "Avengers Assemble/Portals" scene.

P.S. Oh, and you want to know where else I might experience that kind of emotional explosion in a theater? (Judging by how much the trailer nearly floored me—forgive my language, haha)—that would probably be Top Gun: Maverick next summer.

Top Gun is such a huge part of my life and my childhood, so that's my personal reason right there. When the new movie drops, I'll be the first one standing in line at the AMC, I swear.

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Gregory Brown94 said:You really can't compare the theater experience of Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker to Avengers: Endgame because the fanbases are just built differently. The MCU draws in a massive younger crowd—who, naturally, are going to give those legendary scenes much more emotional, high-energy ovations. Personally, I felt almost the exact same way watching the endings of both; the only difference was that I actually shed tears for Tony Stark's death. Though, honestly, I probably would have wept just as hard if he had died in an Iron Man 4 movie produced before Endgame.

Infinity War is a much bigger cinematic achievement than Endgame, though people remember Endgame better simply because it wrapped everything up perfectly.

But Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker—it carries a narrative arc that traces back to the 70s, it ties together stories from all three trilogies, and it even pulls in elements from Solo. Wow. And Rogue One remains one of the best films of this decade, so yeah...

Now, I wouldn't go so far as to say the MCU fanbase is just some mindless crowd—let's just say it's a fifty-fifty split based on taste. Besides, Star Wars was strictly a "mindless" crowd back in the day (during the original trilogy), where those older fans ended up trying to dictate terms to George Lucas, acting like they knew more about Star Wars than he did.

Anyway, getting back to the Avengers:

Man, you aren't even fully human if you don't get goosebumps during that "Assemble" scene in Avengers: Endgame, no matter how old you are...

The only person who perhaps wouldn't feel a chill during that moment would be someone like Hitler or some other absolute monster—but a normal human being definitely would.

I actually have a bit of a philosophical take on superhero movies if you're interested in reading it (for you and everyone else):

Many people tend to say they don't like superhero films because, you know, "it's just fantasy" or whatever, blah blah blah. But I wouldn't call it mere fantasy at all, and here is why:

Why did people start creating superheroes in comics and films in the first place? I’d argue that these superheroes live within us in a metaphorical sense—feel free to view me as a bit of a romanticist here—and all of us who get chills during these movies are responding to a certain soul we carry inside. I think it represents true HUMANITY.

And The Avengers (alongside the Dark Knight trilogy, Logan, and maybe the original two Superman films) have... CAPTURED OUR SOULS in a positive way through countless moments. It’s those times when you just find yourself smiling while your skin crawls with chills because... well, we all wish these heroes were real. My point is that metaphorically, they might already exist within us through what these films provide. Just a little spiritual philosophy coming from me.😁

P. S. Man, when Captain is looking so broken, and then they all come through the portals (with that music relentlessly building and making the hair on your arms stand up), Cap says "Assemble" and they charge...

HOLY COW, hahaha! That is it right there! In that moment, as Elvis Presley might say, "heaven and earth met." It is a literal duel of GOOD VS EVIL—direct, no gray areas, nothing in between. It is pure, unadulterated GOOD VS EVIL presented as: THIS.

Man, I’ve had so many feelings like that with The Avengers and the MCU in general. Take that Infinity War scene where Captain America appears behind the train... man, just wow. 🙂

nimblemarlin6 said:The Avengers series is way more satisfying for viewers than the recent Star Wars trilogy.
Why?
Because so much time was actually poured into planning the story and developing the characters and their relationships.
People had the chance to truly "bond" with the characters and the narrative—they actually cared about what was coming next in the series.
Meanwhile, the new trilogy felt like it was filmed haphazardly, without a cohesive plan or an overarching theme.
In the new Star Wars trilogy, every movie feels like its own isolated thing; there's almost no connecting thread to tie it all together.

The Avengers are even better than the Prequel trilogy. Why?
Because the characters feel alive and engaging, and everything is directed with such great energy and pace.

BUT... the question remains: what kind of legacy will these films leave behind?
What will be remembered longer? Star Wars or the Avengers?
I’d say Star Wars, though.

We can't really know who will have the bigger legacy from our current perspective—maybe it'll be equal, or maybe the Marvel Cinematic Universe will be even larger in ten years. 🙂

And feel free to roll your eyes at me now, but I'm telling you: the lines from Avengers: Endgame, like "Captain, On your left...", will become as iconic as "Luke, I am your father" in just a few years. 🍿

P.S. Regarding the music, there's no debate—John Williams absolutely crushed it for the Star Wars universe. But in my opinion, there's also no debate that the Avengers Soundtrack/Main Theme is one of the BEST FILM MUSIC EVER, with all its various iterations of that main theme throughout the Avengers movies, not to mention the entire musical landscape of the MCU.

For me, this Musical Main Theme has become literally one of my TOP 10 best film scores of all time (the emotions in this, man, I can't even put it into words, haha 🙂):

I honestly think I listen to this main theme at least once every single day. 😁.

I believe (and I am 150% certain about this) that the portal scene in Avengers: Endgame—paired with this music—when they charge toward Thanos' army (I posted that scene a few posts back), is one of the GREATEST EVENTS IN FILM HISTORY. Anyone who was in the theater knows this is true; I have never experienced anything like that in a cinema in my entire life. My god, I've never felt that level of emotion or grandeur in a theater until that scene... it was honestly BIGGER THAN LIFE. 😁, so... people can laugh or mock me if they want, but I know most of you will understand where I'm coming from. 🙂

Alan Silvestri absolutely nailed this score and its many variations throughout the Avengers saga. I can say with total confidence that this is the best superhero music alongside Williams' Superman score, and it is definitely one of my TOP 10 main themes in film history.

Cheers!

rustywalker1 said:Some people over here are trying to analyze the sheer depth of Star Wars, when George Lucas himself basically said it was just a family drama—almost a soap opera.

That's true, but—hold on now—let’s rewind the tape for a second. Please, go back and read my previous post.

I'll say it again: I remember it like it was yesterday, when those same Star Wars Fanatics were tearing Lucas apart for trying to inject depth and complexity via the Prequels. Now, suddenly, they're popping up here to argue about how much deeper Star Wars is than the Avengers 😁—that’s my number one issue right there.

And number two: Lucas only made those statements because he was cornered. The man was essentially pushed into a corner after the Prequels (with the exception of ROTS).

I really wonder how many of those absolute lunatics who spent years trashing Lucas had any clue what he actually went through to protect the integrity of New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. He fought to keep them exactly how we know them, despite Hollywood studios trying every possible way—legal, illegal, you name it—to force him to change those films before they even hit theaters. If he had given in, they wouldn't be the classics they are today. And keep in mind, this was back when Lucas literally didn't have the cash in his pocket—literally—but he had enough backbone to refuse to make the original Star Wars trilogy at all if it wasn't done his way.

ROTS (which I absolutely love as a movie) definitely has DEPTH—true depth—both as a story and a film. But some of these perennial Star Wars fanatics just couldn't wrap their heads around it back then. Fast forward to today, and they are CRYING for Lucas (well, many of them, not all, but plenty). Honestly, tell me—are these people sane? They aren't. They definitely aren't, no matter what you tell me.

Then you have Mr. Plinkett, who basically built an entire career on YouTube by bashing The Phantom Menace. That very same guy, Mr. Plinkett, didn't see "anything too bad" in The Force Awakens or The Last Jedi 😁.

He said it with such a defeated tone in his RedLetterMedia video... 🤦

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And then, after this third film comes out, that same Mr. Plinkett and the RedLetterMedia crew will probably offer their "insight" into what a total Recycling horror and continuity-free mess the Star Wars sequel trilogy actually is. I guess that's just "character" for Mr. Plinkett... calling it "character" is about as much substance as the junk I find in a seashell these days.

Matthew Johnson30 said:So that’s your issue, but you don't seem to mind the hyperdrive chases and lasers leveling entire planets?
BTW, if we're really comparing what counts, shouldn't we factor in the Star Wars spin-offs—you know, Rogue One and Han Solo?

For me, the Avengers saga is number one.
A bunch of second-tier characters (aside from Thor) managed to lift the Marvel Entertainment franchise to stratospheric heights, while Star Wars just keeps failing to hit those massive box office numbers without relying on the "resurrection" of their icons (like Darth Vader, Han Solo, or Sheev Palpatine).

Signed.

The only thing that can truly save Star Wars is Darth Vader—he’s always been the only one capable of doing it.

Instead of the Disney idiots churning out Solo movies and stuff like that... if they had made a movie about Vader—just one single film focusing on a slice of his life (maybe a storyline between the Prequels and the Original Trilogy)—that movie would have crushed it...

Honestly, that one scene with Vader in Rogue One (where he just mows down that whole squad) is better than all the Star Wars sequels combined. I tip my hat to it.

P.S. You know what I find funniest about Star Wars Fanatics?

I remember it like it was yesterday, how they used to tear into George Lucas for trying to add depth and complexity to the Prequel films (since, according to them, the Original Trilogy was just some simple space serial—because THEY know better than George Lucas), and now they show up to argue that Star Wars is somehow a deeper story than the Avengers 😁, hahaha...

In my opinion, Star Wars Fans don't actually have any clue what they want. Honestly, kudos to Lucas for stepping away; suddenly, all over YouTube and the internet, you see everyone wailing for Lucas, with piles of videos from Star Wars Fans titled "Why the Prequels aren't actually bad," and so on and so forth...

When you see all that, it's no wonder the man walked away. Who wouldn't leave when faced with these LITERAL MADMEN?

It's the same kind of lunatics that caused the actor who played Jar Jar Binks (the guy the CGI version was built upon) to be in psychiatric care for years due to the threats and mockery he faced day and night.

And don't even get me started on the kid who played Anakin Skywalker; today, he's a Schizophrenic in a mental health facility.

In my view, Star Wars fans aren't just regular fans—they're fanatics. They don't know what they want, and I truly respect Lucas for escaping it all (for the sake of his own mental health). Naturally, I opened this thread specifically to drive a nail into the coffin of their "wonderful DISNEY" Star Wars trilogy using the Avengers.

Secondly, they deserve nothing less than this reality check. And frankly, they got it. No matter what they write, say, or claim, Marvel and the Avengers have absolutely crushed them in this era, regardless of who it might offend.

Emily Myers32 said:Yeah, the Star Wars sequels aren't exactly anything special—especially The Last Jedi.

Some of the Avengers movies are better, they turned out better, and even Pirates of the Caribbean was a better ride.

But just because that happened doesn't mean Marvel is somehow the pinnacle of cinema... not really.
In twenty years, these Marvel flicks will (again, some of them, not all) have the same standing as Jurassic Park. Fun entertainment, incredibly impressive technical execution, and so on.

Well, as far as I'm concerned, Jurassic Park still holds cult status to this day. 🙂

Speaking of Jurassic Park, can any film—from its release right up until you guess which one—match the opening day haul it pulled in? It would be The Phantom Menace, but people were so busy arguing about Jar Jar Binks (who, for the record, is also irritating to me, though he was the first character built entirely with CGI) that they couldn't see the forest for the trees.

Emily Myers32 said:Besides, superhero movies existed long before this. The reason they've hit big now is simply that they finally have the budget to pull off the technical side, and the technology has actually caught up to the vision.
But the stories are shallow, honestly. And because of that, they’ll end up being like Jurassic Park eventually.

I'll say it again: in my opinion, Jurassic Park maintains a cult status even today. 🙂

I think the Avengers—specifically when I'm thinking of the first film, Avengers: Infinity War, and Avengers: Endgame—will absolutely stand the test of time. They'll be part of history, not just in the superhero genre, but in cinema overall, serving as a symbol of this specific era—let's put it that way.

Emily Myers32 said:Nobody is saying what they've done with Star Wars is good, because frankly, it isn't. And I don't know who ever thought things wouldn't get better once George Lucas left—that makes zero logical sense.

👍

Brandon Fox3 said:When a topic as heavy-hitting as this one suggests certain answers, the responses you get are bound to be exactly what you expect—predictable. The real question is, where would your headspace be if people had voted differently than you anticipated? If you ended up right where I think you would, then you’ve really only achieved a hollow victory.

Look, it's not exactly a mystery why people vote for quality; they aren't exactly lining up to support Star Wars sequels just because of some sentimental whim.

It’s also hardly my fault that seeing how much ahead of the Star Wars sequels the Marvel Cinematic Universe stands feels devastating—I honestly don't know what kind of reality some people live in to think the opposite is true.

Regarding movies like these, we were clearly living in the era of Marvel—whether people liked it or not—which was a far cry from what Star Wars used to be before it became nothing more than constant chatter.

Just look at the comparison here (the sheer mastery of building emotion through music, visuals, and direction before that massive emotional payoff in this scene):

Compared to this absolute JOKE? 😁 😁

Good grief.

Brandon Fox3 said:Well, you were actually the one who lumped them together in the title to begin with. It feels like you started this whole thread just so you could keep pairing them up—using that same intense energy from your intro and every single follow-up post.

Like I said, my goal was to bring the Star Wars sequels back down to earth. To really highlight how much of a miss they were, I intentionally—and I mean completely intentionally—compared them to The Avengers. I wanted people to get a clear sense of how far Star Wars has fallen. There was a time, long ago, when Star Wars held the same level of popularity and cinematic quality that The Avengers enjoy today. That was the point: to ground these fanatics and show them exactly where they stand with these Star Wars sequels.

Brandon Fox3 said:Exactly.
The Avengers are... hollow. Just a bloated blockbuster and a massive cash cow. At least that’s how it feels to me—I haven't seen them all because, honestly, the thought of catching up on an Avengers sequel hasn't even crossed my mind since I saw the first movie.
Star Wars, even with its messy sequels, is still hands down one of the best things I've ever seen in that genre.

I’d argue that the Avengers are blockbusters WITH SOUL that also happen to make money, whereas the new Star Wars trilogy was designed EXCLUSIVELY to make money. Honestly, if soul were sitting right on Disney's doorstep, they wouldn't know how to bake it into a Star Wars film, nor would they particularly care to.

Because of that new trilogy, Star Wars hit rock bottom—no matter what anyone says or how much the Star Wars sequels rake in (which, let's be real, doesn't even touch Marvel's earnings), those sequels dragged the franchise into the dirt. This time, time isn't going to heal the wounds.

Here is how I’d describe the Star Wars sequels: it’s like being in a relationship with someone who looks amazing, but there’s zero personality and zero chemistry—or at least, not the kind you actually want. You end up lying to yourself, convincing yourself it’s "the one" because she reminds you of an ex you truly loved, and she looks a bit like her. You are literally LYING TO YOURSELF. You can't stop the self-deception because you're so hung up on a past love that you've completely lost your standards for the future. That is what the Star Wars sequels are, and that's what all those Star Wars fans who love them are doing. They can lecture me all they want about how I'm wrong, but I know the truth.

They desperately want the Star Wars sequels to be good even though they can see the garbage right in front of them—not to mention the "expert criticism," which was just... nonsensical. Real sense only started being made during the final sequel film when people finally realized what was actually happening.

Whether you love the Avengers or not, the Star Wars sequels aren't even in the same conversation. A new era has been born.

With every NEW Star Wars film, the franchise will die a little more, essentially becoming what it already is: a CIRCUS, as long as it stays under Disney's thumb.

But those foolish fans—the ones who used to nitpick everything George Lucas did—were convinced that once he left, something magical would happen. They actually thought they might get something like The Empire Strikes Back under Disney, ahahahahahah, good grief... ugh...

That's like me being convinced that The Godfather 4 would be better than The Godfather 3, even though it wouldn't be based on any book by Puzo or directed by Coppola. Expecting a fourth installment to outdo the third like that? Just think about how ridiculous that sounds.

The Star Wars fan base has become the most laughable group of fans ever due to the Disney trilogy. Honestly, it's more pathetic than funny, but hey, in a way, those fanatics asked for this themselves.