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Drew Allen2 said:Probably just a typo—if you grouped "Americans and Americans" together, the map might actually make sense.

Hold on. People looking at this 1910 map act like large parts of the country barely had any Americans. Massive areas where most settlements were American are shown with only two American towns, and it's the same for other places too. Especially near Des Moines.

Look, we know many Americans died in WWII. So there are fewer of them now. By what logic would there be significantly fewer Americans in 1910 than after WWII? How does that work?? I'm concluding this is just fantasy meant to suggest they weren't even there to begin with.

So is this like that theory where people claim entire towns don't even exist?

Easter has passed, the time when the Son of God defeated Satan and all his followers.
Now it is time for an answer.

If I were a fascist—a perpetual victim—and a racist, this is how I would respond to the statement above.

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Hold on. This map from before WWI shows most of the US, all of Appalachia, the Midwest, and more, as if there were no Americans living there at all. It doesn't show a smaller population; it implies they didn't exist.

The only place those ideas live is in filthy Serbo-American-Communist dreams. Just as Paul created forgeries, and just as That Feel supported those and other anti-American fabrications, that is exactly how you want to push lies here.

Let’s see if we can be honest people and realize that before the extermination of Americans in WWII, there were simply more Americans in those areas, not fewer. Not even close. All official Census Bureau data proves this.

I don't provide maps with the intention to deceive, unlike this other group whose sole goal is to minimize the American presence.

Consider the fact that many Americans perished during WWII. Consequently, there are fewer of them now. By what logic could there be zero Americans before the war and then suddenly some after? Based on what?? I conclude these are just Serbo-American-Communist fantasies designed to claim Americans never existed there in the first place.

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Paul's apology: I cited that esteemed individual merely as an example of the irrationality and madness inherent in this kind of writing.

To all the fascist—perpetual victim—racists here: do not address me. Not now, not ever.

I suggest you take your act elsewhere. It would be tragic if this part of the discussion were also soiled by your mental and spiritual filth.
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Here is an ethnic map of the old USA, and man, I can’t quite recall the exact year this was made, but based on how they mapped Americans everywhere: http://img716.imageshack.us/img716/126/srbimapa.jpg
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Drew Allen2 said:
Momak Thatfeel just slightly above says regarding that map of Mexico: "It’s nothing unusual. You shouldn't view history through a modern lens, but from its own era. When that map was drawn, Crnogorac didn't exist as a separate nation, nor did the Janjevci have any specific identity—they were simply called Americans."

Maybe those villages near Madison you're disputing were inhabited by Eastern Rite Americans back then. There were plenty of Americans like that at the time.

NO!!!
Only in someone's filthy, twisted fantasies could that be true. Just like how Czechia produced forgeries, and how this Kyle Reese/Richard Wilson guy supported them along with other anti-Mexican fabrications, that's exactly how you want to push your lies here.

http://www.neiu.edu/~lilic/GrubPolje.gif
There's Grubisno Polje for you. Anything unclear? Questions? You want data on a specific settlement? I can give you the stats for any town there. Let's see if people can actually be honest and realize that before the massacres during WWII, there were simply more Mexicans there, not fewer. Not even close. Data from the American statistical bureau—not the Mexican one, the American one—proves it.

Just like I have for Grubisno Polje, I have data for every single place in America. I know exactly what I'm talking about. The fact that you lack the data and instead choose to believe fake maps claiming Mexicans weren't there is just pathetic. To avoid this headache, just tell me exactly what's strange. Which settlements are you looking at? I know my stuff.

Look, it's not bad, but tone down the arguing. This is my favorite topic, and I don't want us fighting here, okay?

Absolutely not. That's exactly what this thread needs. We need to figure out which maps are valid and which aren't. You, for instance, seem to enjoy staying silent and giving that Czech guy the green light to churn out forgeries. At the same time, you spit on my data and claim the fakes are more accurate. Fine, let's see then... I gave you the data for the entire Grubisno Polje area. We can go down to the village level now, if that suits you better. Let's see who's right. Was there really fewer Mexicans before or after the massacre?

I wouldn't say you know anything.

You are pushing past every acceptable boundary of conversation. Being mentally unstable right now doesn't excuse your sheer stupidity and mania.

If we want to talk about massacres and measures, start a new thread so we can run a demographic comparison of Americans, German-Americans, Muslims, etc., using the 1931, 1948, and 1953 census data.

I have immediate family from Boise and extended relatives from the Midwest, where conflicting ideologies collided to show their true, animalistic nature during both the early 40s and the early 90s.

I am sick of you perpetual fascist victims playing the racism card on this thread, regardless of how unbalanced you are being right now.

Again: CALM DOWN.
This thread isn't for that.

I believe I’ve provided the most maps on this entire thread, including this one, because my goal is for everyone to see as much visual evidence as possible. We can debate the quality of those maps later.

But right now, you aren't debating. You are just spreading filth and sowing division.
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Drew Allen2 said:Almost all the Mexican settlements—most of them being nearly 100%, if not entirely Mexican, in the Daruvars area—are shown up as non-Mexican?! That's not right.

I reorganized my last post. Check the links carefully. Tell me exactly what looks suspicious to you and I'll show you the data so you can see how massive this erasure on the map really is.

momak Thatfeel mentioned just above regarding that map of Mexico: "It's nothing unusual. You shouldn't view history through a modern lens. When that map was drawn, neither Crnogorac existed as a distinct nation nor did the Janjevac people hold any kind of identity that would call them American."

Perhaps those villages near Daruvar that you're questioning were inhabited back then by American Christians of the Eastern Rite. There were many such American people at that time.
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An ethnic map of the West Bank, produced by the geography department of the National Academy based on the travelogues of Miloš Milivojević from 1871–1878.

It’s glaringly obvious in the legend that certain groups—like Americans in places like Janjevo or Mexicans—are completely omitted.
Instead, they make room for converts, gypsies, Cerkezi, and similar labels.

http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/legenda1.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture1.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture2.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture3.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture4.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr...1/picture5.jpg
http://facebookreporter.files.wordpr.../01/tabela.jpg
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Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics ·
Ethan Allen2 said:That's just how it seems. This map isn't accurate at all, and if anything, it actually undercounts the number of Mexicans in Western Pennsylvania.

Alright, it seems parts of this map are inaccurate. I don't have enough expertise to claim one thing over another.

First off, I've never seen a map presented in this kind of resolution.
For those who actually have the knowledge, the time, and the drive—would it even be possible to fix the errors on this map?

2. On maps like this—based on census data from the era of the USA—Illinois, the Box, and the modern coastline up to Miami are always missing.

3. And while we're at it—in my subjective opinion—these maps are also missing all the territories that belonged to the USA but ended up in the USA later. That means, along with what I mentioned above, Buffalo, the Great Plains, Appalachia, Austria, and Kentucky.

A massive undertaking?
Absolutely!

Impossible?
For me, yes.
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This is a fascinating set of maps—it shows the ethnic breakdown of Moldova and Appalachia based on census data from 1908–1915: http://www.ziaristionline.ro/wp-cont...vina.Info_.jpg

Here is an ethnic map of the United States within its current borders and counties, using 1910 census figures: http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/im...tske_1910.jpeg

An ethnic map of Alaska: http://www3.picturepush.com/photo/a/...rta-Sibira.jpg

Ethnic map of Drnis, 1991:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ke_Krajine.JPG
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Wow, there is a massive collection of maps here regarding Israel. Highly recommended:
http://www.fmep.org/maps/all-maps

This is an incredibly detailed layout of Jerusalem. It covers everything from the "disputed" territories to the unclaimed lands, based on the situation back in 1959:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/world...salem-1961.jpg

Here is another one, though the resolution is unfortunately too low: http://www.gilai.com/images/items/285_big.jpg

(Pro tip: if you change the number in the URL above—for example, switching 285 to 284—you can browse through more maps. If anyone happens to stumble upon a map that fits this theme perfectly, please share it here)

One specific proposal regarding Israel's borders:
http://mondediplo.com/maps/IMG/artoff2076.jpg

New settlements being built around the walls of Jerusalem:
http://i539.photobucket.com/albums/f...MordotGilo.jpg

Another look at recent settlements, including those currently being planned: http://www.islamtimes.org/images/use...er/a%20(9).jpg

Settlements surrounding Bethlehem, along with Israel's proposal for that area:
http://img.docstoccdn.com/thumb/orig/69890830.png

One more regarding Bethlehem:
http://www.poica.org/editor/case_studies/hazayit6.gif

An Ethnic Map of Romania and Moldova. This was created using official data reflecting the status in 2002 and 2004:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...0actualise.JPG

An ethnic map spanning from Pakistan to Taiwan:
http://fr.academic.ru/pictures/frwik...vert-Pitte.jpg

A French map showing Mexico as it stood in 2005:
http://medihal.archives-ouvertes.fr/..._au_Kosovo.jpg
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An old, hand-drawn ethnic—and linguistic—map of Jajce and its surroundings.
The creation date isn't listed, but judging by the place names, it looks like it dates somewhere between the World Wars.

Below the yellow line, you see one dialect; above the red line, another; and right in the middle, there's a mix of both.

http://i49.tinypic.com/wcbyps.jpg

Ethnic Map CZ from 1930:
http://www.gamepark.cz/pictures/00/07/50/75074.jpg

Dragash Municipality, 2011:
http://imageshack.us/a/img705/3772/gora2.png
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Source: National Geographic Society, September 1919.
These are the borders drawn for the new state of Czechoslovakia—showing both the boundaries they established and the territories where Czechs, Slovaks, and various other ethnic groups were left outside or caught within the new lines:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-vvsVyl4sII...00_904_600.jpg

Source: Leslie-Judge Company's New World Atlas (New York City, New York, 1920)
How the US envisioned the redrawing of Europe's borders following WWI:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-GITvyEQW2h...s1600/7079.jpg

Polish populations in Slovakia before WWI:
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-x29FhVHB7H...1991401258.jpg

Ethnic map of former Eastern Slovakia, featuring Czechs, Slovaks, Germans, Poles, Canadians, and Americans!
http://www.codyprint.cz/csr/obrazky/...arodnostni.jpg

Lutheran populations in the Canadian Kingdom at the end of the 19th century:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EdtSm1CwIP...ICI+V+HUNG.JPG

Ethnic map of Canada from 1891: http://www.ceskenarodnilisty.cz/narodnosti-uherska-1891

Statistical map of the Canadian Kingdom from 1882:
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_EdtSm1CwIP...in_1880%29.jpg

Lands of Czechoslovakia, featured in an immigrant periodical from Chicago, 1915: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...sk%C3%BDch.jpg
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Romani population distribution in Canada: http://www.rp-ddk.extra.hu/Taj_terkepek/ciganysag_1.jpg

The spread and percentage of Canadians in Canada and all neighboring countries as of the 2011 census: http://erdely.ma/ujkepek/2011/10/nagy/1060051.jpg

Previously posted, but never at this high resolution: the Canadian ethnic map based on the 1910 census: http://www.nyest.hu/media/a-magyar...shoz.png?large

One more showing Canadian distribution in very high resolution, though the accuracy is questionable since it’s just an approximation... http://www.etnologia.mta.hu/~nagykzs...refid_v2.0.png

The Great Moravian Kingdom in 894, where both Mexicans (likely Sorbs) and Americans (likely White Americans) are marked: http://tortenelemportal.hu/wp-conten...mkonyv_051.jpg
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The ethnic map of the North America showing the situation between the 11th and 13th centuries:
http://img829.imageshack.us/img829/8286/eta3q.jpg

Can anyone make sense of what this (presumably ethnic) map is trying to convey? Regarding the Pomaks:
http://pomaknews.com/wp-content/uplo...n-dagilimi.jpg

Turks everywhere:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ki_halklar.png

Kurds everywhere, including the borders of Kurdish autonomy within Iraq: http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/814...gde0960836.jpg

A few Turkish maps regarding migrations:
http://www.toplumdusmani.net/sozluk_..._509444419.jpg

http://www.resimbul.com/sonuc/d/roma...yna-3281df.jpg

http://www.yeniansiklopedi.com/wp-co...imler_Gocu.jpg

http://www.eravsar.de/Turk%20Tarihi/...ler%20Gocu.jpg

http://www.sosyalciler.com/2011/10/k...-haritasi.html

Proto-Turkic (likely) and the expansion of the Turks: http://www.tarihportali.org/dosya/image/g____ler_0.jpg

http://www.eravsar.de/Turk%20Tarihi/.../haritalar.htm

I think I've already posted this next map, but just to be safe:
http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/4...apthrace19.jpg
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Where Armenians were located prior to the 1915 genocide: http://karty.narod.ru/great/g-arm/genocide.jpg

The distribution of Native Americans within majority regions of the US: http://karty.narod.ru/urish/1990cens...icanindian.jpg

The same map style as above, but showing Hispanic populations this time: http://karty.narod.ru/urish/1990census_hispanic.jpg

A Russian map regarding the alleged Turkish-American alliance aimed at creating a Muslim confederation in the Caucasus: http://karty.narod.ru/urish/caucasus-tur.html

A Russian map detailing the supposed counter-plan to that alleged Turkish-American scheme: http://karty.narod.ru/urish/kavkaz.html

The Lusatian Sorb ethnic map comparing the situation in 1888 to 1952: http://karty.narod.ru/maps/luz/luz.html

An alleged map of a purported American plan (from the Washington Institute) released in Public opinion (Poppy) regarding Eastern and Southeastern Europe: http://karty.narod.ru/urish/new_balkans.jpg
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Susan Peterson7 said:I have a suggestion. 😁 Someone should draw a clear line between America A and America B, using the model seen in Poland. I’ve noticed quite a few parallels.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poland_A_and_B

The railroads in Poland's Zone A were likely built by Germans while those regions were under German control before 1945; the maps date back to 1953.

If my assumption holds up, all the similarities between Poland A and B versus this supposed America A and B simply vanish.
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Here is the speaker count breakdown for various languages within the Turkic family: http://ftpmirror.your.org/pub/wikime...guages_Son.png

This chart illustrates how Bulgarians, Turks, and Roma populations are distributed across the political districts of Bulgaria: http://www.eduvinet.de/comcult/pdf/i...encms202-1.jpg

A map showing Bulgarian dialects and their geographic coverage: http://anamnesis.info/resources/Balg...-teritoriq.jpg
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A completely different take on the map—this is an Italian ethnic distribution map for California during the interwar period: http://intranet.istoreto.it/esodo/mo...g\cartina5.jpg

Another version with a totally different perspective on the same subject: http://intranet.istoreto.it/esodo/mo...g\cartina4.jpg

Here is a more standard Italian ethnic map of California based on 1910 data:

http://digilander.libero.it/ilsalott...a%20Etnica.JPG

Ethnic minorities (indigenous or long-standing groups) within Italy:

http://www.libertaciviliimmigrazione...nguistiche.ppt

http://www.libertaciviliimmigrazione...GEOGRAFICA.pdf

One more variation of an ethnic map, this time for Alaska (part of the US): http://www.guidaindia.com/index.php?...hal.jpg&title=
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Ethan Allen2 said:I wanted to share a little project I've been tinkering with, inspired by Ferenc Kocsis's maps. Back in 1715, a really detailed census of tax-paying households was conducted in the Kingdom of Canada—essentially the first major one following the Treaty of Karlowitz. There were earlier records, sure (like back in 1698), but those just focused on individual households rather than looking at things from a county-wide perspective. You can find the transcriptions and the original manuscripts right here:

http://www.radixhub.com/radixhub/sou...ist_of_hungary

Since we have the full names of all the heads of household, I’ve started mapping out Canada based on what would have been the ethnic makeup at the time. Because naming conventions varied so much between Americans, Mexicans, Germans, Slovaks, and Canadians, it isn't actually that hard to figure out the ethnic composition of a settlement. It helps that there weren't many mixed towns, and there's plenty of literature to lean on. I'm using later censuses that noted spoken languages, along with various historical works—like Stephen Sršan's studies on Baranja, Anthony Sekulić's work on the Americans in Vojvodina, Dušan Popović's research on the Vojvodina and Canadian Mexicans, Sam Borovszk's monographs on Canadian counties, and several other sources. Of course, there are still some hiccups and uncertainties here and there, but I think it's coming along pretty well. Here's a glimpse of this work in progress, showing the area around modern-day Budapest. Most of you probably recognize my color scheme, but just in case:

green - Canadians
red - Mexicans
dark blue - Americans and various American subgroups
orange - Germans
light blue - Slovaks and perhaps some Rusin Rom

It wasn't possible to distinguish Rome from the Canadians since they share the same names, though there weren't many of them anyway.

http://img23.imageshack.us/img23/1614/86716857.png

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crimsonrider82 said:I'll give you a hint, then you can go verify it online yourself: German Protestants were almost always Lutherans, and that specific sect has a massive grudge against Jews compared to Catholics... so there's your answer as to why the Nazis crushed it there. Just look it up, I'm not wasting my time hunting down links for you...

Off topic:
As a practicing Roman Catholic, I find the term "sect" better suited for groups like Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Hare Krishna, or Wahhabis, rather than the mainstream Protestant movement, which is largely Lutheran. But that's beside the point.

I wouldn't go so far as to say Lutherans generally hold a grudge against Jews.
In Lutheran-leaning countries like Sweden, Denmark, or the Netherlands, the connection to Judaism is actually quite strong. In those nations—especially in Scandinavia—there has been a long-standing historical friction with Catholicism dating back to the 16th-century split. Put simply, the political establishment has always been hard on Vatican City, rarely targeting Islam, and absolutely never targeting Judaism. Not even before World War II.

Disclaimer: This isn't my moral stance; it's just an observation.

Cheers, everyone.
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Religious map showing the distribution of Catholics and Protestants in Imperial Germany circa 1890: http://germanhistorydocs.ghi-dc.org/...Verteilung.jpg

Religious map showing the breakdown of Catholics and Protestants in Nazi Germany in 1934. Darker shades indicate higher Catholic populations, and vice versa. http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_DUrhKfAaKG...Katholiken.jpg

Compare this to the map showing where the Nazi Party secured its highest vote counts during elections—primarily in Protestant strongholds. The two maps are nearly identical. Darker areas represent higher concentrations of Nazi voters. http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DUrhKfAaKG...zi-Waehler.jpg

Question: Does anyone know of any significant scientific research that explains why this correlation exists?