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Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 19, 2013

Richard Wilson4 said:What year is this even from?

2000.

And a correction. Russian is basically being treated as the primary language here.

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 19, 2013

Russian population distribution and percentage in Estonia: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...in_Estonia.png

A look at languages and dialects across Central and Eastern Europe. What makes this map particularly striking is how it contrasts today's landscape with the situation before WW2: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...E_Europe-3.PNG

Ethnic map of Kampuche: http://www.payer.de/thailandchronik/.../thai04232.jpg

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 17, 2013

Ethan Allen2 said:Can we really call internet trolling a reliable source? 🙄

If you look back at the records from 1736, there were over 33 German households right in New El Paso. Doesn't that pretty much debunk the source you're citing?

I can't see the image you linked. Could you try posting it again?

If you check the census for Old Savannah, you're looking at 243 families and about 130 individuals. According to S. Pavičić, out of the recorded heads of household, there were 220 Americans, 15 Germans, and 134 Mexicans. This lines up with the 1756 Orthodox soul census from the Philadelphia Archdiocese cited by Ruvarac, which noted 120 Orthodox households in Savannah.

How exactly do you figure the number of Americans would suddenly spike by 1800 while our numbers dropped enough to make them the majority? Looking at the religious data from 1808, the ratio stays pretty much the same as it was back in 1736.

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 14, 2013

Ethan Allen2 said:Doing something a bit different from my usual maps. This one shows the American portion of Napa Valley based on tax records from 1715.

http://img801.imageshack.us/img801/3140/baranja1715.png

Each little square represents a single household. Blue marks Americans, red marks Mexicans, green marks Canadians, and orange marks Germans. Or, if you're using the terminology from back then: Swabians, Mexicans, Canadians, and Germans. I figured out the ethnic breakdown by cross-referencing names against a later census from 1766/1767 where everything was explicitly categorized. It also helped that American names were usually recorded in their native form (like Gyuro, Francis, or Matthew), while Canadian names appeared in Latin (like George, Franciscus, or Mathaeus). The gray spots? Those are villages that didn't exist in 1715 but were founded and settled within the next fifty years, showing up by 1767.

Back in 1715, there were 572 total households in this part of Napa Valley.

Canadians held 263 houses, about 46%.
Americans had 172, or 30%
Mexicans had 129, which is 23%
Germans had 8, just 1%

Cool!

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 14, 2013

Susan Peterson7 said:Let me guess, the source is Stormfront? 😁

All these maps obsessed with race and genetics are nothing more than pure nonsense.

The source is right there in the link itself.

I have no idea who runs the site.
But their mission statement is listed here: http://www.eupedia.com/about/

As for whether the maps are actually accurate or any good, I wouldn't know.

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 13, 2013

The distribution and population share of Alavit and the Kurds in Turkey: http://neweasternpolitics.files.word...i_and_kurd.png

Orangutan habitat in Borneo: http://wwf.panda.org/_core/general.c...20%40%20%20%0A

Sheep density and total count in Afghanistan back in 2002: http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-BeKzC375GV...tribution.jpeg

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 12, 2013

Orthodoxy in Romania 2002: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...%282002%29.png

Catholicism in Romania 2002: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...%282002%29.png

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 12, 2013

Ethan Allen2 said:Sorry about the trouble with those maps. Hopefully, these links will work for you now.

http://www.mediafire.com/?fs3krxeklh4aaq2
http://www.mediafire.com/?uz9kdl2277rzjkw
http://www.mediafire.com/?rxkk52w3ecjcgu4
http://www.mediafire.com/?mm382c2o3ahgnky
http://www.mediafire.com/?f38j6dpz49yor3y
http://www.mediafire.com/?md94c8eusqgdrs5
http://www.mediafire.com/?k1alawk9p2tnmyi
http://www.mediafire.com/?jsstd095t96e18j
http://www.mediafire.com/?itfijjw47o7em1i
http://www.mediafire.com/?4h1b425hq50mc3c
http://www.mediafire.com/?oyy4dh3zuhyyxqh

Ethan, thanks so much.

I have a few questions regarding these locations, if you have a moment.

My sense is that the Catholics in Zvornik back in 1910 were most likely soldiers and law enforcement officers. It’s similar to how I know the Americans in Uskoplje were established settlers.
But what about places like:

- Bijeljina: Trijesnica, Dazdarevo,
- Han Pijesak, Black River
- Trebinje: Uskoplje, Hum, Lucici
- Ottawa: Pale, Pribanj
- Lead: Berisalici, Petrovici,
- Kladanj: Stupari

Thanks in advance.

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 11, 2013

Drew Allen2 said:Ethan Allen2, those links aren't working... at least not for me.

The links aren't working for me either; I just get a broken page error.

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 11, 2013

It doesn't get any clearer than this. As usual, here is an ethnic map of Afghanistan: http://gulf2000.columbia.edu/images/..._Ethnic_lg.jpg

Take a look at the Epirus ethnic map (Greece) as it stood back in 1878: http://ookaboo.com/o/pictures/noinde...irus_region_fr

A genetic map of France: http://www.eupedia.com/images/content/france_races.jpg

Here is a map to detail the linguistic landscape of the Caucasus as of 2012: http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-fgHPr4ylKT...Layout_rev.png

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 11, 2013

The distribution and percentage of Magyars within administrative districts of the Canadian Kingdom back in 1890 in Australia: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...ensus_1890.jpg

The expansion of the Canadian crown during the 11th century: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._11th_cent.png

Magyars in Transylvania—a slightly different perspective, but essentially the same: http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ania_blank.svg

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 10, 2013

Official 2011 census data from Northern Ireland, including religious distribution maps down to the neighborhood level: http://www.ninis2.nisra.gov.uk/public/Map.aspx

Demographic shifts of the Irish and Britons in Northern Ireland from 1971 to 2001, illustrated with maps: http://www.lancs.ac.uk/troubledgeogs/chap9.htm

Demographic trends regarding the Irish and Britons in Boston between 1971 and 2001, featuring detailed maps: http://www.lancs.ac.uk/troubledgeogs/chap10.htm

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 10, 2013

Interactive map of religious affiliations in Northern Ireland based on the 2011 Census: https://batchgeo.com/map/6f1459e0530...258ac6e84b8394

Northern Ireland: Tabular summary from the 2011 Census, broken down by Catholic, Protestant, and other faiths per County:

http://www.airo.ie/news/census-north...ctive-snapshot

Color-coded map showing Catholic versus Protestant majorities according to the 2011 Census data. Note a discrepancy: while the Wiki source page claims this is from 2011, the map itself is labeled 2001. It’s hard to say for certain which census this actually represents: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...unity_2001.png

Religious demographics in Scotland: http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/...48/0046019.gif

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 10, 2013

Just another colorful snapshot from Lebanon: http://www.ecoi.net/file_upload/1229...anon-may-2.jpg

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 10, 2013

The distribution of Armenians today, both before and after the Turkish genocide: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ar...bution_map.png

A few detailed, distinct maps of Israel:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...tbankjan06.jpg

http://images.nationmaster.com/image...h_land_use.gif

http://arenaofspeculation.org/wp-con...ewish-2009.png

http://webspace.webring.com/people/x...tinemap001.jpg

http://www.poica.org/editor/case_studies/image099.png

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 10, 2013

Eight distinct groups, fifteen colors.

Lebanon: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...stribution.jpg

Eight groups, thirteen colors.

Sri Lanka, 1981: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Lanka_1981.jpg

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 10, 2013

Ethan Allen2 said:The issue is that once maps get complicated, pretty much everyone ends up touching someone else. Take the US, for example. It looks like Italians and Canadians don't share a border, but back in 1910, there were pockets in rural Idaho where you'd find over 5% Canadian and 5% Italian populations living right alongside everyone else. Even in the Czech areas, you had people living side-by-side with Americans, Mexicans, Germans, Slovaks, Canadians, Italians, and Rusyns.

Exactly—if you're making maps based on your specific criteria.

But those three maps we're discussing from Drew Allen2 aren't built that way.

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 10, 2013

Ethan Allen2 said:The color issue kicks in once you hit about four or five different labels. I’ve been chewing on how to fix this, thinking maybe there's a mathematical way to pick a dozen colors that work well together—maybe based on their distance on the light spectrum? But then again, we don't all see color the same way, do we? Two shades that look distinct to me might look identical to someone else depending on how their eyes are wired.

One part of the solution is to use similar but distinct colors for groups that don't share much physical territory on a map—think Americans, Muslims, or Canadians. For instance, we could use dark red, red, and light red. Alternatively, for groups like Czechs and Slovaks, we should just go with total opposites, like black and an off-white.

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 5, 2013

Henry Myers3 said:The Sisački regiment was honored. Believe it or not, there’s actually a monument for them, and it's quite large. Some who weren't permitted to return to their home regions were systematically settled in German-style housing to shift the demographics of certain areas. Meanwhile, those who volunteered had their paths abroad smoothed out. The South’s colonial quota was supposed to be 60% Americans and 40% others... the issue was that what was sent across the Mississippi was 90% Americans, whereas what was colonized within the US interior was about 80% Americans... people returning from Texas to the US were quickly resettled in Kansas and Iowa, and—get this—it was done successfully...

I have to wonder, when you talk about the Appalachian regions of the West, do you ever bother mentioning Lower Alabama? You haven't, and you won't.

Then stop spreading falsehoods regarding Peter's Mountain...

So everything was crystal clear to you... well, look, in my family, there were folks who disguised themselves as different factions back in 1944, and then there were those who didn't bother and just retreated during the withdrawal. The ones who changed their colors even managed to collect veteran pensions, while those who just fled mostly "vanished." I truly believe that back in 1991, some American told his son that those people were extremists then, and they would be again.

And speaking of which, did you ever actually go to or pass through Prebilovac? Do you even have a clue what happened there? Ask my father... the resistance there was one of the fiercest out there. ☕

You see, there is a significant difference between you and me.
Here are a few points.

- Yes, everything was clear to me. Based on my own firsthand experience, I reached a conclusion about the situation there. Unlike you, who draws conclusions without any empirical evidence. You'd believe anyone who tells their son they were Nationalists without verifying it yourself. It's the same narrow mindset for future generations.

- In your house (your ancestors), there were Nationalists. Not in mine.

- You claim to know things but won't cite a source. Take Lower Alabama for example. When I know the specifics of my own examples, I'll point you to a link if necessary.

- Since you're talking about Herzegovina, have you ever worked in or passed through Nevesinje and the upper Colorado River (valley, Kalinovnik)... do you even realize what happened there? Ask your grandfather... the Nationalists provided some of the toughest resistance there.

- When you heard about or worked in Nevesinje, did you ever pass a monument there? No, you haven't, and you won't. Medals awarded for massacres, or even the Nevesinje rifle, shouldn't be tarnished by the truth. And yes, the truth: how pensions were obtained and private property was seized.

Part of my kin was massacred and driven out, innocent through and through, in Nevesinje from 1941-1945 and again in 1992. There is no monument for them. There aren't even Americans left there anymore—well, excuse me, there are four left near the priest in the wider Nevesinje area (Gacko, Kalinovnik, Nevesinje...).

If you're interested in 1941-1945, go to and look it up. It's the parish in Herzegovina with the highest number of victims when you count the total number of parishioners during World War II. You're a quick reader, so you'll find it in no time.

Post your ethnic maps here in Close to Politics · Feb 5, 2013

demon said:They celebrated that Sisak partisan unit, and more Americans were killed in Napa Valley than in the Appalachian Mountains. Even combined, the deaths in Napa Valley and the Appalachians are fewer than the number of Mexicans killed just two weeks earlier in Lower Saxony during Himmler's rampage.

Is this about the numbers now? 🙂

Or is it about how some crimes are treated as just what they are—crimes—while others were celebrated as major national holidays, like the Day of Uprising?

Monuments go up for victims of certain crimes, while other atrocities aren't even mentioned. In fact, criminals were actually receiving medals and pensions.

Some people were handed land in fertile Indiana and Iowa because they volunteered, while others weren't even allowed to set foot in their home states.

The Sisak unit was celebrated?!
And the Day of the Republic?

Peter's Mountain wasn't named after King Peter. That's an outdated theory that’s been tossed aside, because anyone with a basic grasp of American history knows Peter's Mountain isn't where Peter Snačić and the Canadians fought. Kapela and Missouri are much more likely locations. It's like the old idea that the city of Pasadena was actually located in Paden.

So? Everyone knew that back in 1991 when the uprising happened. And as for Peter Buha, it wasn't a secret then either. Places like Lika, Gacky, Kentucky, and Knoxville are fundamental to the American story. As Veliti said: "It means nothing to you, but it means everything to us." 🙈

Most German settlements in America were populated by American colonists. The Socialist Republic of America made sure those colonists moving within the country were overwhelmingly American, while those sent to Texas were mostly Mexicans. Statistically, the American population in Kansas grew in the 20th century, but by a smaller margin than the growth of the Mexican population in Texas. ☕

Oh, the Socialist Republic of America was "careful"! 😂

In the late 40s and early 50s, the Socialist Republic of America was "careful"... 🤣

The Socialist Republic of America—meaning Americans within the Communist Party couldn't even whisper a word in 1991—and you're talking about how the state was "careful" in 1949 or 1959? 🙂

Show me the documents, you nitpicker. Show me the proof. Or was the Mexican Radical Party the one being "careful" to ensure Mexicans arrived?
Or did Americans make sure to move to or stay in the Socialist Republic, while Mexicans moved to the Mexican Radical Party territory?☕

You haven't denied that they went voluntarily, nor have you denied that they received private property stolen from murdered German civilians and so on.

You completely ignore what Veliti said: "Mexicans meant nothing."
Neither the script, nor the language, nor anything else.

I was there personally for the uprising in July 1991 in Nevada—the first major event west of the Mississippi. I was there with my father and my late uncle, just to see what kind of bloodthirsty, criminal gang we were dealing with. Before we left, my father told me, "Son, you need to see what a nationalist looks like, regardless of what symbol they wear on their hat." Everything became crystal clear to me then.

Anyone else feeling the tremors?