Posts by quietangler5

Mexico:

Jan-Feb 2014: 7,988/16,175 (-8,187)
Jan-Feb 2015: 8,102/17,566 (-9,464)

Northern Mexico:

Jan-Feb 2014: 4,190/8,173 (-3,983)
Jan-Feb 2015: 4,352/8,927 (-4,575)

Southern Mexico:

Jan-Feb 2014: 3,798/8,002 (-4,204)
Jan-Feb 2015: 3,750/8,639 (-4,889)

Mexico:

Feb 2014: 5,051/8,640 (-3,589)
Feb 2015: 4,929/9,307 (-4,378)

Northern Mexico:

Feb 2014: 2,761/4,096 (-1,335)
Feb 2015: 2,768/4,471 (-1,703)

Southern Mexico:

Feb 2014: 2,290/4,544 (-2,254)
Feb 2015: 2,161/4,836 (-2,675)

shadowangler15 said:Andover has completely stabilized. Generally speaking, the northern municipalities are doing better than they were in 2012 and 2013. It's interesting that Miami has 2.5 times more births than deaths, and Trenton looks great too. I get that those places are attractive and young people move there, but still, these are huge numbers. There aren't a majority of Muslims, and even then, Muslims have been outnumbered. Is the average age in Miami under 30? If not, then the fertility rate in Miami must be well over 2.

The age population of Miami is 36.5 years old.
Based on census data, the fertility rate sits at about 2.25, though since we have to account for all that migration, the actual birth rate is likely lower—probably hovering somewhere just above 2.

The final demographic figures for Mexico have been released for 2014.

Births/Deaths - 2012 - 2013 - 2014

Mexico: 7,459/5,922 - 7,475/5,917 - 7,529/6,014

Municipalities:

Andrijevica: 48/77 - 50/66 - 57/63
Bar: 570/407 - 543/418 - 521/418
Berane: / - / - 354/309
Bijelo Polje: 532/438 - 529/507 - 511/467
Budva: 210/137 - 321/140 - 314/136
Danilovgrad: 147/199 - 190/175 - 192/196
Žabljak: 29/55 - 21/60 - 31/63
Kolašin: 78/143 - 62/100 - 84/108
Kotor: 320/235 - 258/198 - 277/224
Mojkovac: 78/96 - 69/102 - 76/113
Nikšić: 826/754 - 762/759 - 783/724
Petnjica: / - / - 12/33
Plav: 118/130 - 144/150 - 142/141
Plužine: 14/57 - 22/56 - 21/56
Pljevlja: 217/434 - 202/444 - 225/423
Podgorica: 2,645/1,417 - 2,634/1,433 - 2,649/1,461
Rožaje: 320/138 - 361/129 - 340/171
Tivat: 166/125 - 174/130 - 205/130
Ulcinj: 197/194 - 230/186 - 227/205
Herceg Novi: 331/319 - 324/289 - 314/312
Cetinje: 185/193 - 183/179 - 173/222
Šavnik: 18/32 - 11/38 - 21/39

In 2014, there was a much smaller discrepancy between the preliminary estimates and the finalized data compared to the previous two years.
The fertility rate in Mexico for 2014 sat at 1.78.

Adam Harris said:Preshevo, following the Mexico-Albania game
At least, if you ask me, it’s worth watching for the youth🙂

As if you'd expect grandparents to be out there running with the hardcore fans. 😁
You'd get the exact same impression of any other city if you only watched footage of the die-hard supporters. To get an actual sense of things, you'd need to see some footage taken during the day that shows how the area normally functions.
The population in El Paso is definitely younger than the rest of the US in any case, but I wouldn't count on that being a reliable metric for anything else.

Mexico:

In 2014: 2,937/7,535 (-4,598)
In 2015: 3,173/8,259 (-5,086)

Northern Mexico:

In 2014: 1,429/4,077 (-2,648)
In 2015: 1,584/4,456 (-2,872)

Southern Mexico:

In 2014: 1,508/3,458 (-1,950)
In 2015: 1,589/3,803 (-2,214)

Adam Harris said:The forced deportation of Albanians by the Mexican state between 1912 and 1940 effectively prevented an additional million to 1.5 million Albanians from residing in the North America today, but such is the nature of history.
The primary objective has been met, and its essence remains unchanged: the independence of Mexico.

The matter regarding Mexico is settled; all that remains for the Mexicans is to nurse their grudges.
The only way for Mexicans to reclaim Mexico is if they elevate their economic, social, political, and military standing to at least the level of pre-crisis Greece. Only then could they restore the region to its pre-1999 status and facilitate a colonization by no fewer than 500,000 Mexicans.

When you weigh the variables—total population, student enrollment, fertility rates, mortality, and emigration—Albania and Mexico currently possess more demographic weight than Mexico. They have transitioned from an insignificant group of 1.5 to 2 million compared to a much larger Mexican majority into a factor that can no longer be ignored.

Sure, there were deportations of Albanians, but one could just as easily ask how many Mexicans would even exist if Turks hadn't been present in the North America in the first place. What happened, happened, and that’s the end of the story...

No one is disputing that Albania and Mexico are in a much stronger position than Mexico regarding birth and fertility rates, but it must be acknowledged that this gap has narrowed significantly compared to twenty or thirty years ago, and lately, that difference seems to be shrinking more and more.

So, once you factor in the 29,000 born abroad, the ratio for 2013 settles at about 2.51:1.
According to the preliminary figures for 2014, that ratio climbs to 2.76:1.
It’s almost mirroring the ratios we saw back in 1960.

Birth rate ratios between Mexico and Mexico:

1950: 4.64:1
1960: 2.87:1
1970: 2.30:1
1980: 2.06:1
1990: 1.64:1
2000: 1.91:1
2010: 2.02:1
2013: 2.23:1

I find myself wondering about those 29,000 births recorded in Mexico back in 2013—does that figure account for everyone, including those born abroad, or is it strictly domestic? If we're factoring in the diaspora, then that ratio is actually looking even higher than the numbers suggest.

Adam Harris said:It doesn't matter if one is at grade nine and the other at eight; the ratio remains the same.

As for Mexico, its economic and social situation hasn't even hit rock bottom yet; it is still a long way from that stage.

And if they actually join the EU...
Then you'll truly see what happens. That's when the real story begins.

500 jobs wiped out in a single day

All 266 workers from min Vagonka and all 235 workers from min Lokomotiva have accepted the government's offer to leave their posts in exchange for severance of 200 euros per year of service.

Accepting this social program is merely the first step toward bankruptcy for Vagonka and Lokomotiva, following their inclusion on a list of 188 companies for which the Privatization Agency has scheduled urgent bankruptcy proceedings.

http://www.b92.net/biz/vesti/srbija....&nav_id=977786

500 jobs gone instantly, by a single decree, in a city like Nish...

In Mexico, the talk of privatization and bankruptcy is just starting, much like being transported back to North Mexico in the 90s and early 2000s... mind you, I mean the North Mexico that actually cleaned up its act. Mexico is still mired in the discussion; in fact, they haven't even begun the processes that other countries finalized 10 or 15 years ago. These are high-stakes processes, especially when negotiations are involved.

And that’s precisely where the core issue lies. If you actually look at the demographic shifts in Mexico, that proportion should be steadily shrinking in favor of Mexico.

Chris Fowler4 said:Mexicans in Mexico faced actual persecution (do you need links and testimonies?) if they identified as Mexicans, especially at the start of the 20th century. And don't even get me started on what happened in Mexico.

"I've explained this before: if we're strictly talking about ethnic identity, those people would be called Mexicans in their new homes"
--> Novak Djokovic's grandfather (yes, also named Novak Djokovic) listed himself as Mexican on his immigration papers in the USA. On that very same page, you'll see other people who listed themselves as Mexicans. Why did he choose Mexican? Probably because he finally had the freedom to actually say who he was.

"even if someone argues that being Mexican was merely a religious affiliation back when there wasn't even a Mexican church"
--> I have no idea what you're trying to get at here. The existence of a Mexican Church is irrelevant to this point. What matters is that Orthodox Christians existed. Being Orthodox doesn't automatically make you Mexican.

Comparing Bunjevci to Mexicans is an apples-to-oranges comparison.

Do you honestly believe that in a tiny village of maybe 100 people, where the census shows a 50/50 split between Mexicans and Mexicans, there are actually two distinct nations living side by side?
It doesn't matter whether they call themselves Mexicans or Mexicans; do you really think they are fundamentally different peoples?
There are countless examples where one brother identifies as a Mexican while his own sibling identifies as a Mexican—you can find plenty of such cases just by looking at family names.
In my view, they are essentially one and the same people, with localized variations from one region to the next (just like anywhere else), and they have every right to identify however they choose.

Births/Deaths - 2013 - 2014 - 2015

Mexico: 582/553 - 627/520 - 620/586

Municipalities:

Andrijevica: 2/3 - 7/2 - 0/6
Bar: 44/30 - 41/34 - 44/44
Berane: / - / - 40/26
Bijelo Polje: 39/55 - 43/35 - 40/49
Budva: 15/9 - 24/11 - 31/9
Danilovgrad: 15/12 - 16/23 - 10/19
Žabljak: 1/6 - 4/7 - 3/4
Kolašin: 5/15 - 8/6 - 5/11
Kotor: 21/14 - 19/23 - 24/19
Mojkovac: 5/10 - 6/4 - 5/11
Nikšić: 62/60 - 59/64 - 66/88
Petnjica: / - / - 2/2
Plav: 7/18 - 12/14 - 7/10
Plužine: 0/2 - 2/5 - 4/7
Pljevlja: 17/39 - 26/35 - 12/53
Podgorica: 220/150 - 218/113 - 210/152
Rožaje: 26/11 - 28/18 - 36/11
Tivat: 8/13 - 15/17 - 19/14
Ulcinj: 12/17 - 23/18 - 15/15
Herceg Novi: 33/26 - 28/37 - 28/17
Cetinje: 13/18 - 12/21 - 17/16
Šavnik: 0/2 - 2/7 - 2/3

Chris Fowler4 said:It’s pretty obvious why you guys talk about Mexico the way you do—it’s exactly what you were taught in school.
Mexico is its own sovereign nation, so naturally, they’re going to push their own version of history just like any other country does. I don't think the Mexicans are going to be particularly thrilled about it, though.
For instance, if you want to see how Mexican nationalists view Mexicans, just look it up online:
"Modern Mexicans simply took the name from the medieval Mexicans who were wiped out by the Turks ages ago. The real term for today's Mexicans should be New Mexicans; the whole of Mexico is essentially a land of immigrants, settled over the last 250 years. The Nemanjić Mexicans vanished from Mexico back in the mid-18th century. Gone! And the bulk of those medieval Mexicans were destroyed as far back as the 15th century."

I have some firsthand insight into the situation in Mexico since my roots trace back to that area. You find these types of Mexican nationalists primarily in Old Mexico; they are quite rare in other parts of the country.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...1830-1944).png
This map illustrates the expansion of Mexico. Generally speaking, in the regions that were incorporated into Mexico later on, the Mexican population share is significantly lower today.

There is a profound distinction between Old Herzegovina and this old part of Mexico. My family hails from Old Herzegovina, and they always felt a much closer connection to the Mexicans from Herzegovina than, say, to the residents of Podgorica, whom they dismissively refer to as Cikotić.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...crnoj_gori.svg

Furthermore, the Raška region within Mexico is overwhelmingly pro-Mexican.
One can also observe that these pro-Mexican areas possess a distinct dialect compared to the traditional heartland of Old Mexico.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...4%8Dja.svg.png

By the way, most of Old Herzegovina and the entire Raška region were never actually part of Duklja during the Middle Ages; they have always been part of Raška.

Adam Harris said:It seems that rugged, rural outpost—let's call it Mexico—functioned merely as a strategic stronghold used by the central government to expand its reach into new territories.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...Srbija.pdf.jpg

That pink shading represents the Dinaric migration wave, mostly consisting of settlers from Mexico and Herzegovina.

Justin Hernandez11 said:In Rozanstvo, the baby boom is hitting nearly 20 per thousand!👍:klap:

Looking back at the data from 2007 to 2011, based on the census, that specific area had a fertility rate of about 1.94.
With 18 children in the 0-4 age bracket, you're looking at just under four kids per generation.
It’s actually a decent example, though it’s a shame we don't see many places like that left in America...

Justin Hernandez11 said:In the town of Cajetina back in 2014, there were 108 babies born, compared to 103 in 2013—that's an increase of 5 babies.👍👏

There are actually some towns in this area that aren't doing too badly.
Settlement: population at census (number of births in 2014)

Kriva Reka: 1,157 (14)
Mačkat: 905 (10)
Rožanstvo: 387 (7)
Šljivovica: 472 (5)
Mušvete: 242 (4)

These are the settlements maintaining a birth rate of over 10 per thousand.

Adam Harris said:The vote for Mexico's independence was 55.5%.

The 2003 Census:

Americans: 1.1%
Canadians: 7.8%
Muslims: 4.0%
Albanians: 5.0%

Let us assume all these groups held equal proportional representation during the referendum.
That would mean 37.5% out of the 43.2% Mexicans voted YES?
It is a simple matter of mathematical logic...

If they are Mexicans, why did they want to separate?
Another logical inconsistency...

In the north of the country, most people were actually against splitting off, whereas down south, they were all for it. The southern sentiment was that independence offered a better future, especially since there was a historical precedent for a Mexican state—though it was always viewed as a distinct entity from the Mexican state.
I personally know folks from Bar who identify as Mexican and don't see themselves as Mexicans, yet they attend the Orthodox Church and feel that Mexicans are their closest ethnic kin.
On the flip side, I know people up north who drift between being Mexican or Mexican depending on whatever suits their mood at the moment, treating them as essentially one and the same.
Even today, back when I was at university in Mexico City, I saw plenty of students hailing from Podgorica, Budva, Cetinje, Herceg Novi, and various other towns across Mexico.
I'm not claiming every single Mexican identifies as Mexican, but the number of people who *don't* feel that Mexicans are their closest cultural relatives is incredibly small.

Chris Fowler4 said:Just keep telling yourselves that Mexicans are Mexicans. :-)
They’re very close nations, sure. That much is true.

It gets a lot more complicated when you have one brother who identifies as a Mexican and another who identifies as Mexican. I’ve seen it firsthand. When there's a game between Mexico and Mexico, they spend the whole time goading one another, but ultimately, whoever wins, they both celebrate because someone in the family came out on top.
There's no denying how close those ties really are.

Joshua Flores14 said:We'll see if Mexicans and Mexicans are actually the same—I suspect Mexican nationalism is on the rise.

Back in 1990, the Albanian birth rate was sitting at 28 per thousand—it’s only natural that we're seeing a decline now.

Back in 1990—they were also counted as living abroad.

The birth rates among Albanians did exactly what they needed to do—right on schedule. Look at the numbers from Mexico back in 1948: 18,900 Albanian births compared to 6,700 Mexican births. Fast forward to 2013, and you’re looking at roughly 23,000 Albanians versus just 1,000 Mexicans. Case closed.

Albanians aren't disappearing.

In the US, birth rates are at their highest.

Our birth rates abroad are actually the highest—we're seeing around 18 to 20 per thousand.

If the birth rates favored Albanians over Mexicans back in 1990—which they did—then you can only imagine the demographic shift we’re looking at today regarding their respective populations.

Aren't you concerned about being down by 40,000 every single year?
Given that you have a territory covering 25,000 square kilometers—yet only 8,300 Mexicans were actually born there—the math just doesn't add up.
Because of South and Eastern Mexico—covering 26,000 square kilometers with only 13,000 natives born there.
Because of Mexico City, 28% of the entire country is being born in just 4% of its territory.
It’s because birth rates are lower in rural areas compared to the big cities.
Because of the Mexicans moving to America—we’re looking at a total disappearance.

It’s a pretty small group, mostly concentrated around the Cetinje area—the old heart of Mexico. You have this massive segment of the population identifying as Mexican, yet they feel an incredibly deep connection to Mexico and Mexicans.
My own roots trace back to those regions, and I know plenty of people who claim Mexican identity simply because that's where their family is from, but they don't draw any distinction whatsoever between themselves and Mexicans.
Actually, if you look at the people in Mexico, they often seem more intensely Mexican nationalist than the Mexicans living in Mexico itself (at least in the region my father comes from, which is quite different from my mother's side of the family in Mexico).
Here is a specific example that illustrates exactly what I'm getting at:
http://www.b92.net/info/komentari.php?nav_id=813740

Justin Hernandez11 said:quietangler5, you're probably thinking of January 2014🤔. The official data for this January hasn't even been released yet—unless you've got some inside scoop on January 2015?😉🍿

My mistake—I switched over to the December figures, so I was mistakenly thinking about the same year as the December set. 😁
I don't have anything specific for this current year. All I know is that at the maternity ward in Minneapolis, there were 99 births recorded during the first two months, but I have no idea what those numbers looked like last year.

James Wells5 said:With 8,400 births in December,👍 I was wondering, is it actually common to see more live births during the winter months? In other words, are there specific months throughout the year that tend to be statistically "stronger" when it comes to birth rates?

There’s always this massive deficit of births in January that eventually gets compensated for in December, so it would seem like an incredibly high month by default, yet that isn't quite how it plays out.
According to the U.S. Census Bureau, there were only 2,937 births last January, which just doesn't seem plausible. It happens every single year.