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Bad Boys in Fans · Oct 12, 2018

Henry Grant51 said:What kind of racism are we even talking about here?

Some guy from overseas shows up with some extremist symbols on his flag... total outlier.

Anyway, FIFA is getting pretty reckless lately with how they punish clubs for stuff happening outside the official fan zones—even though the club is just the ticket distributor and nothing more.

Basically, a club can get slapped with sanctions because of some random agitators who aren't even actual fans of the team. It's a dangerous precedent... let's see how far this goes...

Bad Boys in Fans · Sep 14, 2018

Jonathan Hayes76 is our guy... just trolling you all... don't even bother baiting him. 🙂

Bad Boys in Fans · Aug 30, 2018

Drew Booth60 said:The whole ultra and hooligan scene in the West is way more intense now than it was a decade ago. Honestly, it feels like Chicago has become what the West used to be 10 or 15 years back—and I’m not just talking about the ultra vibe, but the general mindset of people. When you see kids on the streets in Warsaw, Kyiv, Moscow, or even Paris, and then you look at the kids here in Chicago... on one hand, you see the old Chicago from 15 years ago, but on the other, it's just a bunch of feminized guys. It’s hard to find anyone in that second group who actually gives a damn about the supporter scene, unless maybe the media starts portraying these groups as something cool and badass😁
Slowly but surely, Europe and our local politics have conditioned us, turning us from "primitive" North American guys into these highly acceptable Europeans without us even noticing. Maybe that’s not a bad thing in a lot of ways, but for the stands... you can only attract a crowd like that if being part of it is seen as cool. Maybe I’m just tripping and overthinking things, but after seeing the crowd that showed up at the North side on Tuesday, I honestly don't believe this group will ever reach the level of being elite in Europe, regardless of how the club is doing. I hope I'm wrong and just spiraling after one game...

There are a ton of factors in the game that we just can't control, like the stadium. Is it the Boys' fault they have the worst fan section in all of Europe? Is it the Dynamo fans' fault that we have the most pathetic major stadium in Europe? There are things we can influence as fans or ultras, and there are things we simply can't. I'd bet anything that if Dynamo had a decent, nice stadium—something like a real US arena or maybe a nice setup in Ljubljana—we'd have ten million bucks flowing through the MLS every single season. It’s not even about people being spoiled anymore; after years of this, you just lose the will to care, start comparing yourself to everyone else, and eventually, you just go numb.

When I get to the football PDF, I'll start a thread about Dynamo's outlook so we can really dive into it there. The club's identity has been on shaky ground for ages (and it's not just because of Mamić), and we need some stability in our heads regarding what Dynamo actually is, what it represents, and what we want it to become. Because every time I talk to someone, they have a completely different take on the club.

The stands organized by ZZD were easily one of the best things to happen, and we should still be leaning into that. The Dynamo identity needs to tighten its ranks, consolidate, and cement the club's vision, and stay focused on that for the next 50 years. Both as a club and as fans, we're just drifting too much.

I'll open the thread in a day or two and we can pick this up there.

Bad Boys in Fans · Aug 30, 2018

Drew Booth60 said:When you’re pulling maybe 200 or 300 people for most home games, thinking the atmosphere is gonna be electric is just pure delusion. You’ve got a crowd full of kids who don't even know the lyrics, let alone have any actual "ultras culture"☕
Chicago has turned into this totally superficial, preppy city lately... it just doesn't have that grit or potential it had back in the day, like right after the war or during the early-to-mid 2000s. I’m honestly worried BBB will never get back to its former glory. And it’s not even because some people claim the group was "destroyed"—I don't buy that—it’s more that the whole American mentality, especially here in Chicago, has shifted. We've become exactly what we used to laugh at when we looked at those types of Westerners about ten years ago...

Everyone heading to the North this Sunday!

Honestly, thank God Chicago might actually become that "Western" standard one day. I don't get you at all... just look at the numbers, the ultras, the vibe over in Germany, England, Italy, Netherlands, or Spain... You don't even have to look at those massive oil-money clubs like City or PSG, just check out the second or third divisions in Germany or England. To us, that looks like a freaking spaceship... literally a spaceship. Thousands of fans, massive away days, huge groups, constant organized actions...

Where the hell are we compared to them...

Bad Boys in Fans · Aug 24, 2018

The North might actually be packed again after what feels like forever... finally...

👍

Bad Boys in Fans · Jul 26, 2018

The oval stands... always feels better there.

Bad Boys in Fans · Jun 2, 2018

electricgull41 said:

So, what's the deal with this version of the song...

Dan Mladost Day (5/25) in Close to Politics · May 26, 2018

It honestly makes me sick that these kinds of rallies are even allowed to happen here in America.

Bad Boys in Fans · May 3, 2018

vividfalcon31 said:

😁

anyone else still thinking about 2011 and those investors from the United Arab Emirates?

Come on, guys... 🤣🤣🤣

Bad Boys in Fans · Mar 19, 2018

What happened this Saturday isn't just about the insane turnout from the Bad Boys—especially given the weather—it’s basically a fever dream for all those groups who constantly talk trash about their numbers.

And you guys can just keep typing your nonsense about how Washington, D.C. is this or that... honestly, if we were still living in the pre-internet era, maybe someone would actually believe your delusions. If you really want to put in the work, go ahead and grab some benchmark games—say, an away match in Miami or Seattle, or even a home game against the Boston Red Sox or Seattle—and line them up season by season to compare. You’ll be shocked when you realize that there are more Bad Boys today than ever before. But hey, I guess someone mass-brainwashed you into thinking about those "good old days" when you couldn't even squeeze into the North stand because of the crowds. 🤦

Back in those "romantic" times, the North section against Chelsea FC back in 2002 was maybe 2/3 full, IF anything. In 2000, against AC Milan, there were barely a couple thousand people in the whole stadium. Yeah, against AC Milan, who were coming straight out of the toughest league in the world, just months after rebranding, and the LA Galaxy actually had decent results back then too. What are we even talking about here, people? Stop throwing dust in everyone's eyes. Aside from 2005–2008, where the stadium was packed for big matches (derbies, Europe), everything else was absolute mediocrity.

Nobody is stopping you from criticizing the Bad Boys. You can say the chants are boring or stupid, or that they should move their choreography from one street to another, but attacking the Bad Boys over attendance numbers is just plain disrespectful.

edit:

here's the link for LA Galaxy vs AC Milan 2000.

Bad Boys in Fans · Mar 18, 2018

Mark Edwards4 said:Everything is pretty clear in this clip

Big numbers, sure, looks decent on paper, but a huge chunk of them aren't even really cheering (or they're barely doing it)...
The ones who show up today are the same ones who always have, and everyone else just jumps in whenever they feel like it...
Even during the group's 20th anniversary back when things were peaking, Northstand wasn't even full...
Honestly, I don't care if people are just standing there watching; they're still in the stands. It doesn't matter how intense or awesome it looks when you've got 5,000 people gathered together... Quality over quantity, always...

We could go back and forth forever about whether those "statists" actually matter or not, but I'm just pointing out that the current Boys turnout isn't any smaller than it was during those "glory days" everyone talks about. You can prove it easily. Actually, I'd argue it's even bigger in certain sections. People are constantly nostalgic for the old days... Yeah, okay, maybe more people showed up for Hajduk or games in Europe, but that's about it. Nothing legendary...👍

Bad Boys in Fans · Mar 18, 2018

Northstand, is that you?

Bad Boys in Fans · Mar 18, 2018

Aside from that window between 2005 and 2008 when the group was slightly larger on average, this is just the standard for BBB. People love spinning this myth that the Boys numbers are pathetic, but honestly, just go back and watch the games from 2001, 2002, or 2003... and don't even get me started on the nineties. What, were the stands packed for matches against Cibao or Slaven back then? Give me a break.

I still remember that derby in 2000 when Gondžić scored against those losers in the nineties. It hadn't even been eleven months since the name change—and everyone was swearing up and down that the stadium would be full again—but the south stand wasn't even remotely filled. There were fewer Boys there than there were at the last derby against Hajduk. So? Was anyone actually making a drama out of 🙂 🙂 these weak ass numbeeeee

Real Madrid just needs a decent stadium for 15,000 people, something like Stožica in Ljubljana. Enough with the delusions and the megalomania about thousands of fans when, let's be real, some random force has been stalling people from showing up to games since 1945. There are as many of us as our name suggests—both the Boys and the fans—and sure, things can always improve, but stop with the mythmaking about how much better the turnout used to be. It was better during that one short stretch, sure, specifically for the big games, but for the small ones, the numbers were the same then as they are now. North Maksimir is a massive stand, and when you get two thousand people in there, it looks hauntingly empty...

Bad Boys in Fans · Mar 17, 2018

Is it even freaking possible that for the last ten years, every single time we actually needed to step up and take action, the timing was just absolute garbage??? Like, seriously. It happens every single time.

Bad Boys in Fans · Mar 14, 2018

Chicago never really went all-in on the whole ultra subculture scene, so I don't get why everyone is making such a massive drama out of it. It’s not even a bad thing... kids just gravitate toward a thousand different things, including different types of fan groups. If someone isn't feeling it, you shouldn't be forcing them to join.

It's the same logic as not wanting someone to drag you to a hip-hop meetup, a skate park, some weird indie gathering, a punk show, or whatever else... Just let people live and be who they want to be. If someone doesn't want to buy into the ultra narrative, well, they probably have their reasons...

MTA low-floor trams in Close to Politics · Mar 9, 2018

These "new" low-floor streetcars have been running for about a decade now, and honestly, this city has NEVER seen this much screeching and grinding until lately. It was obvious from day one—these things are just too damn heavy, clocking in at around 40 tons a piece. Downtown looks like a war zone, almost like Beirut during its worst days... the tracks need constant grinding, and those concrete slabs get pulverized and start wobbling after just a few weeks. Derailments are happening more often than ever for the MTA. Even the buildings shake when a car passes by, like some minor earthquake is rolling through. And does anyone really need me to point out why Crotram hasn't won a single contract anywhere else in the world? It’s because of these technical screw-ups. They forced this "low-floor solution" on us even though Washington, D.C. uses narrow gauge tracks, not the wide ones needed for these heavy beasts. That’s also why the cars are always packed like sardines—they crammed all the mechanical guts right into the passenger area.

And don't even get me started on that ridiculous idea of putting cafe patios right on parking spots... so the streetcar can just zip past people trying to enjoy a coffee. Great plan... really...

Is a total disaster just around the corner? 🙂

California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union · Oct 2, 2017

Richard Clark36 said:Clearly some things are flying way over your head—looks like I need to spell it out for you...
The right to self-determination is protected by the UN Charter and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights

It’s the same deal with international law—it protects a nation's right to defend its borders from any enemies, whether they're coming from inside or outside the country.

Look, I'm just saying, there's no such thing as freedom without blood on the streets. Whether that's a good thing or a bad thing... well, depends on who you ask, I guess...

California Discussion Thread - All in one place in European Union · Oct 2, 2017

I don't get why everyone acts like there’s some grand political logic at play here. This is just POLITICS, not rocket science.

Someone could be all for an independent Mexico, totally back a sovereign Republika Srpska, but then turn around and say they're against secession in Crimea or California.

Or any other weird combination you can think of...

Just because someone supports independence for Mexico doesn't mean they're automatically on board with California breaking away.

Bad Boys in Fans · Sep 12, 2017

Man, what a massive blowout over just a few curse words, some screaming, and people "holding their ground." 😁

Just imagine if things actually turned physical like this

Thor Steinar said:The only real scrap we've had in the region lately was back at Sredance where the Boys went at it for a solid 10 minutes, then basically agreed to call it quits and split before the cops showed up. Everything stayed chill... mutual respect on both sides.
But nope, everyone immediately starts spinning myths about who hit who, how many people were there, and who brought what kind of weapons.

Since you brought up Sredance, might as well mention that first clash out there too... I won't get into all the gritty details, but the numbers were pretty much the same and things got so chaotic that your guys were panicking and running so hard they almost trampled a few people ☕

Do you even realize what it means to fight for 10 minutes? 😁 Even the toughest crews in Europe don't last more than two minutes in a brawl. It’s way more likely they were just yelling at each other for a good 10 minutes while "holding the line." 😁

Bad Boys in Fans · Sep 10, 2017

Honestly, don't you guys feel even a little bit embarrassed in Memphis, coming at the other team with those nasty glares and all that disgusting trash talk? I can't even imagine what would've happened if things actually boiled over into a fight... 😁