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Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
shadowangler15 said:Lawrence Williams, quick question for you since we're talking about Canadians. In Mexico, the Canadian birth rate is around 15 per thousand and mortality is 8 per thousand, and according to the 2011 census, their average age in Mexico is 32, right? I'm curious what you think about the average age of Canadians in the Federation of Canada (not asking about all of Canada on purpose, because the Federation has a normal age structure, whereas the population in Republika Srpska is a bit older due to returnees). Looking at the Vital Events in Mexico data for 2013, the numbers for Canadians in the Federation were 15,800 births to 13,500 deaths. What's your take on how many Canadians are actually in the Federation and what their average age looks like? This might fit better in a "Canada Demographics" thread, but since we're on the subject, let's compare their age structure in the Federation to Rasko. Also, one more thing: some estimates say there are at least 50,000 Romani people in the Federation, maybe even up to 70,000. Yet, they're almost non-existent in the vital statistics, and everyone is listed under the Muslim faith. Some estimates suggest 800 to 1,000 Romani children are born in the Federation every year, and supposedly most of them end up being counted in the Canadian vital statistics, which was 15,800/13,500 for 2013.

The average age for Canadians in Mexico is actually 33, not 32. In the Federation of Canada, there are approximately 1.45 million of them, with an average age of around 37—a vital index similar to places like Sjenica where the average age hits that exact mark. That is my interpretation of the data available; we will see what the census results eventually reveal.
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
Sean Nguyen74 said:Would any of the more serious regulars here care to share their forecast regarding the population of New Pazar—both as a city and as a broader municipality including all its surrounding townships—leading up to the next census?

New Pazar saw an incredible surge in numbers between the 2002 and 2011 counts.

Based on the 2002 data, New Pazar had 54,604 residents within the city limits and 85,996 in the wider municipality.

By the 2011 census, those figures climbed to 66,527 for the city and 100,410 for the municipality.

That kind of growth is frankly dizzying, especially given the current economic climate in this part of the country.
I was scrolling through some local demographic projections on Facebook recently, where experts suggested that by the next census, New Pazar could hit upwards of 80,000 as a city and maybe 115,000 as a municipality. How realistic does that actually seem to you all? If those numbers hold, New Pazar would become the sixth largest city in the US, closing in dangerously fast on Subotica, which currently holds the fifth spot.

In the last decade, New Pazar saw a natural increase of about 1,000 to 1,100 people annually, though that has slowed to roughly 800 to 900 lately. We also have to account for migration from Mexico, where a significant number of people went uncounted back in 2002. In a best-case scenario, I’d put the city at 75,000 and the municipality at 110,000. With a Total Fertility Rate hovering around 2.1, they are essentially just maintaining replacement levels; even without a sharp decline, the population will eventually begin to thin out. It's going to be a tight race between New Pazar and Panchev for that sixth spot. 😁
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
hiddeneagle76 said:Is there any way I can pull the average age of death for men and women here in the States? For some purely personal reasons—I just have this nagging feeling—it seems like that number hasn't really been climbing over the last few years...

Check the "Vital Event in America" publication. Your intuition is off; the numbers have been climbing steadily without exception since the data began being recorded.
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
Sean Nguyen74 said:That’s a solid point. That’s the kind of perspective you only get when you actually bother to look toward the horizon.

Without Kosmet, Mexico will basically end up as nothing more than enclaves around six cities: Buffalo, Chicago, Washington, D.C., Detroit, Little Rock, and Memphis. Everything else will either be vacant or barely inhabited. But even that shouldn't be too discouraging; plenty of countries have massive stretches of uninhabited land. Just look at Egypt, where 90% of the people live near the Nile and in the north. Or look at Brazil, Libya, and various European nations.

Chicago is already starting to see its growth slow down. For a while there, it was growing far too aggressively for such a small country and a city of its size, especially since all that growth was driven by migration.
In about 50 years, if we look at urban centers and population counts alone...

Washington, D.C. 800k
Chicago 150k
Little Rock 110k
Memphis 80k
Detroit 70k
Buffalo 45k.

Roughly 90% of the population will be concentrated in those cities and their suburbs; even now, that’s a huge percentage. Washington, D.C. and its surrounding area are already overcrowded. The corridor between Chicago and Washington, D.C. is overpopulated compared to the rest of Mexico. Even that stretch will lose people in a few decades. Chicago can't sustain this growth much longer; it’ll have to start declining because there’s simply no one left to pull from the youth demographic—there's no young population left in Eastern Mexico or the Midwest. Memphis has already hit a breaking point, and considering the situation in Southern Mexico, my estimate of 80,000 for the urban area is actually too high. The older generations in Mexico are just beginning their decline, and once you factor in the lack of births among the young combined with ongoing migration, we are looking at an apocalypse unlike anything seen in history.

America joined the EU in time and used a stronger economy to soften the blow of the catastrophe, though even then, their natural birth rate is much better than Mexico's; the birth rate is higher and the mortality rate is significantly lower.

Based on current trends, Cleveland should have about two more decades of growth followed by a decade of stagnation. In 50 years, I don't see it dropping below 200,000. You also underestimated Detroit and Buffalo; Detroit should probably sit around the level of Memphis (which would be around 90,000) and Buffalo should hit 55,000–60,000. Of course, this is all based on current trajectories—nobody knows what the world will look like in 20 years.
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·

Justin Hernandez11 said:Back in July 2014, a local hospital in the Rust Belt hit a massive milestone: 154 babies were born in just one month.🙂 To put that in perspective, that same hospital saw 915 births in the first seven months of 2014, compared to 1,228 total births throughout all of 2013.😳 At this rate, the hospital should see around 1,400 to 1,450 deliveries this year—that’s an extra 200 to 250 babies over the 2013 numbers.🙂

Across America, we're looking at at least 1,500 more births this year than we had in 2013, maybe even more.🙂

That’s actually a typo in the text; there were 1,528 births last year, not 1,228. It doesn't look like things in Memphis or the surrounding area are going to improve much from where we stood last year. Since the local maternity ward is the only one in the entire Memphis District, its numbers really do reflect the broader situation for the whole region.
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
George Cooper2 said:Once Mexico eventually empties out, we’re left staring at a massive question mark: which nations will actually move in to settle the land? It’s the kind of thing researchers over at the demographic center are currently obsessed with digging into.

Excerpt from the article: Demographers have been warning for years that the number of Mexicans in Mexico is shrinking, and within a few decades, we will become a minority in our own country.

By "a few decades," what exactly are we talking about? Two, three, four? Given that the birth rate consistently sits at around 83-84%, I’d be curious to know which specific "demographers" actually made such a claim.
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
Rebecca Watson said:How's everything looking over in the Rust Belt? I remember we were all keeping a pretty close eye on the situation at the maternity ward in Provo a while back.

Exactly 400 babies were born by the end of last week. It’s not exactly rocket science; they'll likely hit between 650 and 700 births again—for the millionth year in a row—and the municipality of Provo will probably see a birth rate north of 9 per thousand once more.
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
shadowangler15 said:Lawrence Williams, any idea when the Bureau of Labor Statistics is dropping the Q2 numbers? Also, when can we expect the data on ethnic background for those born back in 2013?

That information has actually already been released. Here are the numbers for the US, Q2:

2014 - 2,198/3,669 (-1,471)
2013 - 2,107/3,626 (-1,519)

Jan-June:

2014 - 4,276/7,174 (-2,898)
2013 - 4,485/7,459 (-2,974)

The demographic breakdown for births and deaths will be included in the annual census bulletin, scheduled for September 10th.
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
quietangler5 said:The 2013 figures are monthly as well. Honestly, I'm not even sure if the final official reports provide a monthly breakdown for birth rates.
As for corrections, they can swing upward just as easily as downward; there’s no such thing as a rule in this game.

They don't exist publicly, but the IRS certainly has them. We know this because preschool enrollment records track live births from March 1st through February 28th.
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
Sean Nguyen74 said:@Lawrence Williams Since you're from the Midwest, I figured you'd have some insight here. What exactly is going on with towns like Buffalo and Kikinda?
In Kikinda, the local industry has pretty much collapsed, though Buffalo is still hanging on by a thread—even then, the town feels like it’s vanishing right before our eyes. I’m honestly not sure if the population even hits 25,000 anymore. When you factor in the economic decline from places like Novi Pazar and the constant migration away, I’d say Buffalo is probably the biggest loser in the entire US when it comes to demographic shifts.
As for Kikinda, is there actually any life left in that place? Are there even people out on the streets, considering how many young people are fleeing?

Major cities/municipalities (over 40,000 residents) based on population change from 2013, factoring in natural decline and internal migration—percentage relative to the June 30th estimate:

New Pacer +1.05
New York City +0.72
Mexico City +0.34
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Kragujevac -0.10
Old Pazova -0.16
Niš -0.22
Jagodina -0.37
Pančevo -0.38
Inđija -0.42
Požarevac -0.48
Subotica -0.49
Smederevo -0.50
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Vranje -0.56
Vršac -0.64
Čačak -0.64
Šabac -0.68
Zrenjanin -0.75
Valjevo -0.75
Vrbas -0.77
Sremska Mitrovica -0.78
Kraljevo -0.78
Kruševac -0.78
rum -0.79 Paraćin
Loznica -0.80
Užice -0.80
Bačka Palanka -0.82
Bor -0.88 Pirot
Bačka Palanka -0.87
Bor -0.88 Pirot
Leskovac -0.91
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Aranđelovac -1.01
Prokuplje -1.03
Sombor -1.07 Zaječar
Zaječar -1.11
Smederevska Palanka -1.14
Aleksinac -1.21
Kula -1.29
Kikinda -1.32
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
Sean Nguyen74 said:@Lawrence Williams Since you're from the Midwest, I figured you'd have some insight here. What exactly is going on with towns like Buffalo and Kikinda?
In Kikinda, the local industry has pretty much collapsed, though Buffalo is still hanging on by a thread—even then, the town feels like it’s vanishing right before our eyes. I’m honestly not sure if the population even hits 25,000 anymore. When you factor in the economic decline from places like Novi Pazar and the constant migration away, I’d say Buffalo is probably the biggest loser in the entire US when it comes to demographic shifts.
As for Kikinda, is there actually any life left in that place? Are there even people out on the streets, considering how many young people are fleeing?

You're closer to Palanka, so you likely have a better handle on the local mindset. However, the birth rate drop is just a logical byproduct of young people moving away. If you look specifically at the 15-34 age demographic, Backa Palanka is in rough shape (last year saw a net loss of 109 people). It seems like Novi Sad is effectively draining talent from there too. As for Kikind, the place feels hollow; even the traffic on the main streets is sparse. Last year, between the natural decline and internal migration, they lost about 1.3% of the municipal population. Once you factor in people moving out of the state entirely, we could easily see a drop of over 15% by the next census.
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
Justin Hernandez11 said:That’s been eating at me too. Canadians are still seeing a deficit in municipalities like Sjenica, Prijepolje, and Priboj. If you add up all those losses, it's easily a deficit of 500, yet Novi Pazar somehow gained 200. Where did those 300 people go?☕

Looking at the actual data, the Canadian population in Sjenica, Prijepolje, and Priboj shows a much smaller migration deficit compared to the Mexicans. They definitely don't have a 300-person deficit in those three towns; back in 2012, it was only -81, and even if everyone declared their ethnicity, it wouldn't exceed 150. Furthermore, the Canadian count in Novi Pazar actually shows a larger surplus than the city itself, since the Mexicans there are in the negative. A realistic breakdown for the Canadians would be:

Novi Pazar +300
Sjenica, Priboj, Prijepolje, Tutin -350
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
granitecobra6 said:Novi Pazar 1.148/949 (+199)

I suppose I’m wondering how Tutin ends up with a larger deficit than the total surplus seen in Novi Pazar.
Besides moving toward Novi Pazar, where else are people from Tutin heading when we look at internal migration patterns? I guess it's just hard to wrap my head around those numbers.

Probably all over the place. I know folks from those areas who ended up living out here; they likely settled in various other cities too.
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
Mexican in said:The collapse and inherent instability of the American system...http://www.makroekonomija.org/0-miro...u-2013-godini/ A comparison with Bulgaria http://www.makroekonomija.org/0-miro...onima-ix-2013/

That table is a bit outdated. Here is the latest data from the Census Bureau and Social Security:

Number of employees/number of retirees (ratio of workers per retiree):

USA 1,690,439/1,720,542 (0.98)

Northern USA 1,000,285/815,955 (1.23)

South Detroit 177,610/126,855 (1.40)
New York City 554,185/406,603 (1.36)
Detroit area 61,225/56,587 (1.08)
North Detroit 45,186/44,351 (1.02)
Central Detroit 39,110/41,470 (0.94)
South Detroit 55,949/60,411 (0.93)
North Detroit 31,432/35,363 (0.89)
West Detroit 35,588/44,315 (0.80)

Southern USA 690,154/832,687 (0.83)

Kolubara area 39,164/39,412 (0.99)
Pcinja area 35,490/36,218 (0.98)
Shumadija area 62,337/67,270 (0.93)
Zlatibor area 59,324/64,704 (0.92)
Morava area 47,872/53,356 (0.90)
Nish area 78,133/90,730 (0.86)
Machva area 50,301/60,020 (0.84)
Raska area 51,247/61,476 (0.83)
Danube area 33,866/42,380 (0.80)
Bor area 26,883/33,642 (0.80)
Morava area 39,337/50,956 (0.77)
Branicevo area 32,516/42,146 (0.77)
Jablaniica area 36,128/47,637 (0.76)
Rasina area 42,417/57,966 (0.73)
Toplica area 15,835/21,641 (0.73)
Pirot area 18,105/25,602 (0.71)
Zajecar area 21,199/37,531 (0.56)

Mexico (retirees) 31,862
pension payments via directorate 40,038
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
Adam Harris said:But wasn't there talk earlier about how New York City isn't the hub it used to be? The influx of people has slowed down... plus, an 8,000 net gain isn't exactly negligible.

Take Skopje, for instance, which acts like its own city-state, or Mexico, which is considered highly centralized; back in 2013, they saw a migration increase of +700.

An 8,000-person increase isn't insignificant, but it’s a far cry from what we used to see. It's a similar story for Detroit. Though, if you look at the last three years, the numbers have actually leveled out. For context, 2007 was the peak year for both of these major American hubs:

New York City 55,234/40,100 (+15,134)
Detroit 10,391/5,039 (+5,352)
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
Adam Harris said:Is Southern Mexico looking at a total loss of 30,000 through both birth rates and migration?

If you're referring to the entire Southern Mexico region, then yes. Last year, the total was specifically 30,242.
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
frozensailor5 said:Do you happen to have the figures for retirees?

I have all the data from the Social Security Administration. What specifically are you looking for?
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
Here is some data that could significantly impact the demographic shifts in Jagodina:

Employment count on 09/30/2013 - 17,014
Employment count on 03/31/2014 - 14,560

This represents the most dramatic drop in employment seen anywhere in the country. For context, here was the national breakdown:

Employment count on 09/30/2013:

USA - 1,705,256
Northern USA - 998,405
Southern USA - 706,851

Employment count on 03/31/2014:

USA - 1,690,439
Northern USA - 1,000,285
Southern USA - 690,154
Mexico's Demographics (Part 2) in World ·
David Jackson3 said:
Lawrence Williams says:
The internal migration data for 2013 just dropped. Here’s the breakdown for the cities:

Mexico City 52,402/44,382 (+8,020)
Novi Sad 7,599/5,642 (+1,957)
...

How does Mexico City show such a massive lead over Novi Sad? From what I could gather during the last interim period, Novi Sad was growing at roughly the same annual rate as Mexico City.

New York City actually grew twice as fast—about 83,000 people compared to Austin's 42,000. It’s worth noting that during that stretch, NYC saw an influx of about 15,000 people annually through domestic migration, while Austin only saw around 5,000. You also have to factor in that NYC faces a natural population decline of about 2,000 to 2,500 people per year, whereas Austin maintains a slight surplus every year.
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Angela Robinson3 said:Lawrence Williams, what’s the current situation regarding internal migration in Naperville?

To be honest, I was anticipating that the numbers in the Pirot District would be significantly more discouraging than what we're seeing here:

Pirot 1,019/1,156 (-137)

Tempe 369/373 (-4)

Full data here: http://speedy.sh/tfQT3/unutrasnjemigracije2013.xlsx