nimbleranger5 said:But what has religion actually explained? 😬Aside from making a huge mess with its own dogmas and rigid rules—creating all this confusion that just clouds things over and pushes people away from the light and the simplicity of the Truth itself.
Religion tried to claim the Truth in such a distorted, broken way—trying to turn it into a concept, a dogma, a set of rules... and they really messed that up. You can't own the Truth or trap it in a mold; you can't take something infinite and just limit it. It’s like how freedom and love can't be forced to serve the petty, selfish interests of this material world, and that’s really what we're talking about here. It feels more and more to me like religion was built by people who had plenty of book learning, but lacked the actual experience of what the mystics and prophets were talking about. So, they just complicated everything with their dogmas and rules, turning it into a total mess that nobody can make sense of—and then, of course, they served it up to the public just to look smart and educated, because they "know" things, because they are "close" friends with God 😁 while all we got in return from "our" religions were endless religious wars, bloodshed, and constant fighting among people of different faiths.
Eben Alexander looks less like a messenger from heaven bringing what he calls a "shift in the scientific community," and more like a typical character from an American movie, where people always find a way to escape the ruins of their old lives through some grand act of self-reinvention.
Just a bit of friendly advice... don't judge a person by their looks, or a book by its cover... otherwise, your comments end up sounding pretty superficial. 🙂
Encounters with ultra-reality should be based on the images of the life you lived leading up to that experience. For instance, if you're descending into hell, that should serve as a warning to change your ways if you don't want to end up there forever. And vice versa—the experience of merging with Love... but let's not even go there right now.
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They "should," they "ought to," it's "not like this, it's like *my* religion says"... blah blah blah... You just can't limit the infinite and try to squeeze it into narrow human frameworks and limited ways of thinking and perceiving... honestly, we don't have a clue. Most of what we know is just stuff we heard from someone else, who heard it from someone else, who told someone else, who wrote a book, which we then read and absorbed, puffing ourselves up with "knowledge" and information... It's just a never-ending game of telephone.
Jesus also said that once we realize the Truth, that Truth will set us free. Real knowledge comes from within—from our very own souls. It’s necessary for us to encounter the Truth in the intimacy of our own being, without any middlemen. Neither the Church, nor the Pope, nor a priest, nor a pastor, nor a religious leader, nor a rabbi, or anyone else can do that for you. A person has to reach a point where the Truth reveals itself to them... Maybe the main issue is that when the Truth *is* revealed to some people, they immediately try to translate it into their own "language"—basically trying to cram it into religious dogma and the specific way of thinking they were conditioned by. But instead of opening up to the experience, they just become slaves to their own surroundings, which shuts them off from new experiences and even deeper insights.
I honestly don't get how Dr. Eben Alexander's conscience led him to such a beautiful valley of butterflies during his seven-day "vision" or experience—especially when we know he dealt with several cases of medical malpractice in his life, which actually cost him his license to practice as a neurosurgeon!
What a jerk! Trying to force a one-size-fits-all experience on everyone, yikes.
False prophet.
And besides, who are we to JUDGE anyone?! 🤷
Anyway, most real prophets were seen as frauds at first by those who dominated the religious life of society back then. They were persecuted and even killed because their messages and actions threatened the influence those leaders held over society. Later on, the children of those "murderers" and "persecutors" would repent for the sins of their fathers and give honor and eternal glory to the prophets—never quite grasping the irony of it all, since they ended up doing the exact same things to the prophets preaching in their own time.
Again, I'll say it: who are we to JUDGE?!🤷
So what if you haven't heard of the person? Big deal... and for next time, maybe it would be better to do your own research instead of waiting for someone else to explain who it is and what happened. That way, you can see for yourself if the facts are right, and you can avoid taking on other people's opinions, biases, manipulations, or half-baked conclusions. Otherwise, without putting in your own effort to investigate, you just automatically adopt someone else's view and file it away in that specific little mental compartment they intended for it.😉
btw, I want to tell the author of this thread that whether you believe or not is absolutely irrelevant here. If we start focusing on believing or disbelieving, we're just playing a game of "telephone," making up all sorts of mental constructs just to support our own theories or assumptions. In the end, we don't gain anything except maybe a nice little story or a fairy tale...
What we really need to do is make our own breakthrough toward the Truth and into the Truth—but until that actually happens, we’ve got to find a way to shed all this extra, unnecessary baggage... 😉
I guess you actually enjoy it when he claims that hell isn't just temporary, but that it doesn't even exist at all. Yeah, right. That sounds like something straight out of a Hollywood script.
It’s honestly ridiculous. Most of what we think we know is just a game of telephone. You hear something from one person, who heard it from someone else, who heard it from some other guy, who then decided to write a book about it. So we read the book, swallow it whole, and suddenly we’re all walking around acting like we’ve mastered some profound "knowledge" or "information." It's all just secondhand noise passed down through a chain of people who probably didn't even get it right the first time.
Exactly. That’s how it goes. You’ve got one group of people just chasing whatever happens to be topping the bestseller lists this week, following trends like sheep. Then you’ve got everyone else—the ones who actually know what's up—who listen to the only Source that actually matters: Jesus Christ.
We really need to get to that point where we encounter the Truth within the absolute privacy of our own souls. No middleman. No barriers. Just direct access.Look, it’s not like the Church can do this for you. It doesn't matter if it's the Pope, a priest, a pastor, a patriarch, an imam, or a rabbi—none of them can pull this off on your behalf. No one else can step in and do the heavy lifting here. You have to reach that point yourself, where you've done the work and finally arrive at the stage where the Truth reveals itself to you.
You’re only half right. Honestly, whoever whispered that in your ear only gave you a fraction of the Truth. If you want the raw, unfiltered, all-powerful, and Victorious Truth, here it is...
There are no middlemen where the One resides.
There is only one Jesus Christ.
But instead of actually opening themselves up to those experiences, they just end up becoming slaves to their own surroundings. It’s like they get trapped by their environment, which ends up shutting them off from anything new or any chance at deeper understanding.
Everyone who chooses to be clothed in Jesus Christ through baptism doesn't have any business talking about bondage. In Him, there's no such thing as Jews or Greeks, no men or women, and no master or slave. Period.
And besides, who on earth are we to be JUDGING anyone?!
Let’s be real: most true prophets were branded as frauds by the religious gatekeepers of their day. They were persecuted and hunted down simply because their message threatened the status quo and the power those elites held over society. Then, fast forward a few generations, and the children of those very "murderers" and "persecutors" end up repenting for their fathers' sins, honoring those same prophets and giving them eternal glory. It’s pure irony—they end up doing the exact same things to the prophets preaching in their own era that their ancestors did.
Just half-truths and improvisations designed to brainwash people.
Jesus told the Samaritans:
You worship what you do not know, but we worship what we know
It's just like how Stalinists had no clue they were bowing to a system that would have wiped out brothers like Cyril and Methodius, completely indifferent to the fact that they'd leave everyone illiterate in the process.
What you're actually talking about here are those false prophets, because Jesus Christ, the Alpha and Omega, is the final prophet.
Jesus said:
Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets. I have not come to abolish them, but to fulfill them.
Watch out for any prophet who refuses to acknowledge what Jesus established, or any modern teacher who tries to elevate themselves above God.
the laziness of his mind
Whose mind? Are we talking about the one you claim knows nothing, or the one that Dr. Jerk calls an “unconscious mind” 😲 which is apparently too preoccupied suffering through these bottom-tier "insights," "awakenings" (if you want to use the jargon from this PDF), and those “out there memories” (in Dr. Jerk’s little vocabulary)? EEEK!
I’m honestly not surprised you're siding with Dr. Jerk while trying to guard yourself against every other "influence." You’re falling headfirst into his "out there" narrative—which, by the way, is a much more sophisticated attempt to dodge responsibility for the millions in legal fees, debts, and malpractice suits he racked up before being kicked off the list of practicing neurosurgeons. And that happened right before his little trip to the "other side." It’s a lot smarter than the attempts made by poor Michael Jackson, who, facing similar private crises, bounced from Judaism to Islam. Hmmmmm... well, this doctor actually managed to pull it off where Jack couldn't: returning from "beyond the veil" with amnesia and somehow managing to fix his pituitary gland back from what was likely, in my opinion, an eternal hell he was probably 😲 EEK creating by squeezing information out of his neurosurgery patients while they were in post-op amnesia.
It would be tragic if it weren't so hilarious.