Active Consciousness Development
in Spirituality ·
Edward Fisher86 said:By choosing an explanation like that, do you actually feel at peace? Does karma truly cover up all the bullshit in this world?
To me, that feels like turning a blind eye, or to put it more gently, it's just the easiest way to deal with the darker side of existence. Fine, everyone has their own model.
But still, every single time, I find myself wondering... if you're all so spiritual, does it never occur to you to acknowledge some form of injustice toward lives that were cut short against their will? (The whole... maybe it was meant to be, maybe it wasn't thing from the previous quote)... it's just so cruel, it's hard to imagine anything being worse.🤷
It's not like you can bring them back, but a little bit of pietá, for instance.
It isn't about counting the bad apples; it's about the sheer amount of rot they create.
Okay, that's your take, and I respect it... but let's allow other people to have theirs too.
Personally, I don't consider myself particularly spiritual—in fact, I'm basically the poster child for being non-spiritual. 😁 I don't even know what all that stuff is supposed to mean because I have no desire to be a slave to various concepts invented by the human mind just to follow some technique, a system, or a specific path... Life is alive, it's jumpy, it's pervasive and all-encompassing. You can't just shove it into a box labeled "concept," "doctrine," or "dogma" the way so-called spirituality, philosophy, religion, or even science tries to do.
I'm not sure why you feel like accepting the concept of karma constitutes some sort of injustice. No one here is belittling or looking down on anyone, nor is anyone mocking people or gloating at someone else's expense. 🤷
Besides, Life cannot be ended. It is indestructible. It always simply *is*...
Death is the ultimate lie, a trick of the mind, a total illusion. Even though this material body is part of us, on a deeper level, we aren't this body. And death isn't the opposite of Life. It's actually an integral part of Life, just like birth is. The opposite of death is birth, but Life has no opposite because it encompasses everything. Life pulses constantly, in different forms and frequencies, and it doesn't just happen on a physical level.
http://radioliberum.org/smrt-je-vrhovna-iluzija/
We don't count the rotten apples; we count the amount of rot they create.
See, this is what I call overthinking—or "philosophizing," as the old saying goes:
"It's not a mess; the dog just made a disaster." 😁
Edward Fisher86 said:Great, so what’s the issue with actually answering some questions?
And now I'm getting hit with new ones, like "what defines a better life for you, me, or them?" etc., so we can actually dive deep instead of just staying at a hahahehe level.Since I got the green light from the moderators, I feel free to say this thread was started purely as potential motivation for people who see themselves in it. It wasn't my intention (at least for me) to argue or try to justify those desires and thoughts, because that feels like it goes against the whole point.
An undefined topic—you have plenty of these on this forum, where people just write down their thoughts or link songs if they don't want to debate anything they post.Astrology might not make sense to me, but I'm not going to start an argument with people by telling them it's nonsense Hhaha and letting them keep self-deluding themselves. What would be the point?!? If it works for them and makes them happier, fine. They found their answers there, and it doesn't hurt me or force me to join in... so why bother...
🤷 😁
I commented and asked, but got no response; does that mean nobody knows how to back up what they write?
By the way, something caught my eye in that story of yours about the shoe clerk:
"(Otherwise, she's a wife, a mother of three, an accounting manager at a university, and so on... but that clerk didn't know... that she was someone who could be 'trusted')"
Is the person you described incapable of cheating or betraying?
An accounting manager and a married woman is blindly trusted? Auj aj🤣
Come on, at least try to clarify this, because it seemed to me in your first post you were advocating for trusting people and such, and this just doesn't fit the narrative.
It seems to me that's selective trust, with boundaries drawn based on marriage, motherhood, or social status...
Haha hehe 🤣 don't get too worked up—just relax. This is just an ordinary forum, after all. Don't take everything so seriously, especially those other virtual characters drifting through these digital spaces. Like that great teacher once said: don't worry, be happy 🙂
And with all these questions coming at you... you seem to think you're going "deep," but you're really just spreading yourself thin. It’s not depth—it's just spinning in circles, over and over, and over, and... 🙂
I commented and asked, but there's no answer anywhere. Does that mean nobody knows how to actually argue their point?
Who is it looking for answers and calling people out? Who is craving arguments? Your ego... and why? Just to confirm your own old beliefs that you're the smart one and everyone else is just some clueless person typing away without any logic? But providing actual arguments is hard—either you get it or you don't—which just adds more clutter to the topic. Probably just boredom, which is the craftiest way humans run away from themselves...
By the way, something else caught my eye in that story about the shoe clerk:
"(Otherwise, she's a wife, a mother of three, the head of accounting at a university and all that... but that clerk didn't know... that she was someone who could be 'trusted')"
So the person you described is incapable of lying or betraying someone...?
An accounting manager and a married woman is just automatically trusted? Auj aj
Let me try to clarify this, because it seemed like you were advocating for trusting people in your first post, and this doesn't fit at all.
Basically, it's selective trust based on marriage, motherhood, social status...
It sounds like life is pretty fun for you—just like it is for me—when you have enough time to spend dissecting things like this 😬
You're overthinking the little things way too much. You're dissecting sentences—who cares about quotation marks here or a comma there? You dive into tiny details, obsessively trying to find a flaw or a mistake, just to tear someone down so you can feel good about yourself because nobody can sell you any "stories"... man, oh man 😁
restlessdriver42 said:Haha, alright... let's take this one step at a time.
In my initial post, I was actually prepared to explain that if your intention isn't to prick people or destabilize their convictions simply because they differ from yours—and if you truly care about understanding the reasoning behind certain perspectives—then both you and I could have attempted an answer. However, I reconsidered once I saw you framing the question around that whole karma concept. Since I didn't write that part and it wasn't part of my original point, I decided there was no sense in pushing a narrative that wasn't mine. Auj aj.
What constitutes a better life? I can only speak to my own experience. For me, it comes down to peace—true inner peace. It’s that state where I don't harbor resentment toward anyone, where the agitation, irritability, and sadness simply aren't there. Everything, for me, boils down to emotion. Naturally, those feelings are tethered to my environment—the people around me and the circumstances I encounter. Those situations trigger specific thoughts, and those thoughts, inevitably, blossom into emotions.
I have arrived at a rather tidy conclusion: humans simply cannot control other people. As for life's circumstances? Well, we might influence them slightly, but ultimately, they remain largely out of our hands. I initially pushed past that thought because the realization felt unsatisfying. But truth is, life is messy and unpredictable—one just has to accept it.
In the opening sequence of Woody Allen's Annie Hall, he recounts a joke along these lines:
Two women are sitting at a resort when one remarks, "Good grief, the food here is terrible!" To which the other replies, "As if that weren't enough, the portions are tiny!"
Then he builds upon that, suggesting that is essentially his worldview. He views life as being defined by loneliness, misery, and suffering—a race toward an early finish.
It seems that, at some point in everyone's life, we all find ourselves in relative agreement. I used to align with that sentiment myself, though I struggled to actually accept it.
If you are truly seeking a solution, it is possible. I have managed to forge my own sense of resolution through reading, which has shaped my current philosophy: since we possess zero control over other people—unless we resort to threats, of course—nor over our circumstances, the only viable strategy is internal. To navigate "unfavorable" situations successfully, one must cultivate a state of consciousness where emotions and moods are no longer dictated by anything outside of oneself.
That’s a whole separate topic entirely, and if I tried to go into detail here, I’d end up writing a novel... so if there’s something specific you want to know about it... just ask! 🙂
As for the story about the clerk—that woman who is a mother and a boss all at once... you might have missed it, but I put the word "trust" in quotes specifically to highlight how much of a relative term I find it to be. 🙂 I really should have put the entire phrase in quotes: "someone you can trust!"
Regarding the debating... it isn't actually about having the best arguments. It’s more that once you enter a certain headspace, all debates and logical points start to feel redundant. If someone truly understands what I’m talking about, they understand it because they’ve felt it, not because I presented some airtight case to "win them over" to my side. :P
I suppose that could sound like an excuse—like I’m just being flighty and don't have anything smart or concrete to back up my "positions" with actual "arguments"... just rambling, haha. But even if that's the case, so what?! Why should anyone care if some silly girl feels a sense of connection and happiness and decides to write a silly little piece about human love? Why does anyone feel the need to try to convince her it makes no sense and, however subtly, shut down an obvious attempt at positivity? Is it because it's foolish? Or because it lacks solid logic? Why do we constantly feel the need to justify the desire for positivity, for happiness... or even for silliness itself?
Judging by the tone of your replies, it seems like your intention isn't really to understand different ways of thinking... if I'm wrong, my apologies, but it's difficult to read someone through a screen. 😁
Let's just let each other live.
I agree with what was written... beautifully explained.👍
restlessdriver42 said:Haha, thanks! Discussions become entirely futile when one—or both—parties enter them with an idea so deeply entwined with their ego that any attempt at disagreement is perceived as a direct assault on their very identity. It’s why we all get so defensive whenever someone tries to "prove" our logic is flawed.
And yet, if people didn't bother asking questions, this thread would have withered away long ago. I suppose I should be grateful for them. Besides, when the supporters finally chime in, I can actually feel the warmth in their words of encouragement. 😁 What could possibly be more beautiful than all of this!
Once I finally dive into that process and manage to crystallize my thoughts a bit more clearly, everything will fall into place. 🙂
Exactly.😉
But then again, if people didn't ask questions... this whole topic would have dried up much sooner, so I'm at least grateful for that. Plus, then the supporters chime in, and I get to feel that love through their supportive words! Which is the best part of all!
And besides, diving into this helps me crystallize my own thoughts a bit better!
Yeah, I agree with this too—I'm starting to bore myself... booooooooorrrriiiinggg... hehe