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Nosy banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Larry Walker24 said:Funny how you don't have to jump through hoops in Canada, but in this absolute dumpster fire of a country called America, everything is a struggle.

Actually, you do. It's just not required for certain smaller institutions.
http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/nnrsdnts...-eng.html#q2-8
Nosy banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
So you think JPMorgan Chase doesn't pull this nonsense? Just take a look at the statement they hand you 🙂
Quincy:
We would like to inform you that at JPMorgan Chase branches, we collect and process our clients' data to comply with legal requirements and other relevant regulations. If you haven't completed the "Know Your Customer" questionnaire yet, a bank employee will ask you to fill it out and sign it. We thank you in advance for your understanding and cooperation.
Chase Online in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Saw this on Facebook:
[NOTICE]
We’re sorry for the glitches with the latest update to the mobile app. If you haven't downloaded the new version yet, we suggest sticking with the current one until we get these bugs sorted out. We'll let you know once everything is running smoothly. If the new version is totally broken for you, please use this link: http://bit.ly/1NgFpD6
Nosy banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
darkmaker94 said:Is anyone else getting harassed by other banks about this questionnaire, or is it just JPMorgan Chase?

I’ve got accounts at JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo, but only JPMorgan Chase is breathing down my neck to fill this out. What’s wild is I already did the whole thing in person at a branch a few months back, yet the damn thing just popped up on my online banking again the other day. 😵

My mom uses Wells Fargo and JPMorgan Chase, and she’s getting the exact same treatment—only JPMorgan Chase is hounding her about it. They've already sent her two letters telling her she needs to get down to the bank ASAP to finish the paperwork. 🙄

It feels like JPMorgan Chase is the only one taking this "obligation" so seriously.

darkmaker94 said:Is anyone else getting harassed by other banks about this questionnaire, or is it just JPMorgan Chase?

I’ve got accounts at JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo, but only JPMorgan Chase is breathing down my neck to fill this out. What’s wild is I already did the whole thing in person at a branch a few months back, yet the damn thing just popped up on my online banking again the other day. 😵

My mom uses Wells Fargo and JPMorgan Chase, and she’s getting the exact same treatment—only JPMorgan Chase is hounding her about it. They've already sent her two letters telling her she needs to get down to the bank ASAP to finish the paperwork. 🙄

It feels like JPMorgan Chase is the only one taking this "obligation" so seriously.

Every bank has the obligation, but clearly JPMorgan Chase is the only one taking it seriously. Maybe too seriously.

darkmaker94 said:Is anyone else getting harassed by other banks about this questionnaire, or is it just JPMorgan Chase?

I’ve got accounts at JPMorgan Chase, Bank of America, and Wells Fargo, but only JPMorgan Chase is breathing down my neck to fill this out. What’s wild is I already did the whole thing in person at a branch a few months back, yet the damn thing just popped up on my online banking again the other day. 😵

My mom uses Wells Fargo and JPMorgan Chase, and she’s getting the exact same treatment—only JPMorgan Chase is hounding her about it. They've already sent her two letters telling her she needs to get down to the bank ASAP to finish the paperwork. 🙄

It feels like JPMorgan Chase is the only one taking this "obligation" so seriously.

Based on his situation and mine, they obviously have technical glitches with the system.
🙂

Personally, doing this online is a great solution. You can get it done in peace without anyone eavesdropping or creating extra lines at the local branch.
Nosy banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
darkmaker94 said:That famous survey popped up on my Chase app today; it’s a bit shorter than the one they usually hand you at the branch.

Since they finally let me skip the trip to the bank and do it online, I spent a whole minute filling it out, only to get this:
Error saving data

Don't blame me if they didn't get their data. 😁
Nosy banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Sarah Ruiz42 said:
I don't know what to tell you. Some people just refuse to see what's right in front of their faces. It’s like talking to a brick wall sometimes. I’ve dealt with this before—remember that headache last summer when I was trying to deal with the DMV? Absolute nightmare. Same energy. People just want to stay comfortable in their own little bubble instead of facing reality. It's infuriating. I can't even begin to tell you how much this gets under my skin. Honestly, it’s enough to make me want to throw my phone across the room. I was sitting there just minding my own business when I saw it, and now I’m absolutely fuming. It’s like people just don't care about common sense anymore. Everything is just a mess!
Exactly. I get every single cent back without any hassle at all. 👍

Look, I get the whole thing about the credit cards, but it’s pretty obvious you’re totally missing the point on this part. Look, let's get one thing straight: credit cards aren't actually legal tender in this country. You can go to a shop and they can absolutely refuse to swipe your plastic if they feel like it. It’s a total joke. I tried using my card at a small diner outside of Austin last week, and the owner basically told me to pull out some cash or walk away. No apology, no nothing. People act like it's a right to be able to pay with a piece of plastic, but legally? It just isn't.Look, it’s just one single service from the bank where you hold your account. That's it.

Look, you can't just take these cards—any of them!—and treat them like some kind of universal blueprint or a rulebook for how to act. It’s ridiculous.

Let’s talk about "due process"—that concept everyone loves to preach about until they actually have to follow it. In the real world? It doesn't exist. We're talking about straight-up lawbreaking here, plain and simple.

I can't even deal with this right now. Seriously. Every time I log on, there’s some new nonsense going on that makes me want to put my head through a wall. It's constant. Just endless, repetitive garbage. Does anyone else feel like we're just circling the drain here? Because I definitely do. I'm about two seconds away from throwing my laptop out the window. Honestly, it's exhausting. kaže:
Life isn't a freaking buffet where everything is handed to you on a silver platter. You want things? You gotta go out there and grab them. It doesn't just happen by magic.

Look, Pladner and the rest of them are full of it, and you’re still out here digging for excuses. You’ve backed yourself into a corner with that claim of yours, and now you can't back it up to save your life. Honestly? I don't even care anymore. At the end of the day, my stance is clear: There is no such thing as a free credit card. Period. Stop falling for it! Look, I don't have anything left to prove. Period. You can go ahead and hunt for all the deep philosophies, excuses, or "interpretations" you want just to make yourself feel right, but newsflash: you aren't going to find a single thing that actually works.

I can't believe I'm even typing this, but someone had to say it. I am absolutely fed up with the constant nonsense we have to deal with lately. It feels like every time you turn around, there's some new hurdle or some ridiculous rule designed just to make life harder for everyone else. Honestly, it’s exhausting. I was sitting at my kitchen table this morning, staring at my coffee, just thinking about how much energy we waste fighting these pointless battles. It makes me want to scream! We deserve better than this constant headache. kaže:
How's it going? I am so sick of this. Seriously, I cannot deal with how much of a headache credit cards have become lately. It’s like every time you turn around, there's some new fee, a new security glitch, or some ridiculous policy that makes it impossible to actually use your own damn money. I was trying to grab a coffee downtown yesterday—just a simple transaction, right?—and the card reader decided to take a nap. Then, instead of just working, it flags the whole thing like I’m trying to pull some heist. It’s infuriating! You pay your bills, you play by the rules, and yet the system treats you like a criminal half the time. I’m tellin' ya, it feels like they’re just looking for any excuse to squeeze another couple of bucks out of us. Total joke. I finally got to it. Credit cards. Honestly, what a complete scam. I was looking at my statements the other day and nearly lost it. It’s like these banks just sit there waiting for you to make one tiny mistake so they can bleed you dry with interest rates that feel more like highway robbery than actual finance. I remember back when I first started working in Chicago, I thought I was being smart using a card for everything to build up my score. Big mistake. One month I bought a new grill for the backyard—totally worth it, by the way—and suddenly I'm staring down a mountain of interest that makes no sense. You think you're in control, but then you realize the house always wins. They design these things specifically to keep you trapped in a cycle of debt. It's infuriating. Be careful out there, seriously. Don't let them get a foothold on your wallet.? 😵 Maybe that would actually explain why your answers are so damn confusing and flat-out wrong.

Wait, excuse me? Where on earth does it say we were only talking about debit cards??

Are you seriously digging up philosophy books just to prove you're right? Give me a break.

And don't even get me started on those "free" debit cards. They aren't actually free! They hit you with a monthly maintenance fee, and if you look closely at the fine print in your contract, they basically admit that the card cost is buried right inside that service charge. So, it’s not like it's some kind of gift—it's just a total scam. It's like saying a meal is free when they've already padded the cover charge to pay for it. Absolute garbage.

I don't know what to tell you people. I’ve seen some nonsense in my time, but this takes the cake. It’s like nobody actually thinks before they open their mouths anymore. Just mindless noise. Honestly, it makes me want to throw my phone across the room. Fix your logic or stop posting. kaže:
If everything moves to electricity and high-speed internet, then bills basically vanish. You won't have a paper statement sitting on your counter, and you definitely won't have the option to just drop off cash at a local branch. At least, not if you want to stay on the right side of the law.
The real issue with credit cards? It’s all about people who just can't control themselves. Seriously.

Look, it’s perfectly legal. A voucher or a receipt is still a valid way to pay, especially when you process it electronically after the fact. It’s not some shady workaround; it’s how things work. Honestly, every single corner store in a city like Chicago or Philly handles transactions this way whenever the power goes out. They aren't breaking any laws—they're just keeping the lights on.

Look, when you’ve got cold hard cash sitting right in front of you, you don't need to hold back. But honestly, that leads us down some deep, messy rabbit holes that have nothing to do with how we actually pay for things.

Exactly. That’s why my point stands and yours doesn't. Sorry if that's too much for you to wrap your head around. ☕

It's like how you can't seem to find a no-fee card. But hey, you aren't even using them anyway.

Anyway, enough venting from me. 🙂
Nosy banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Sarah Ruiz42 said:You don't get anything back. When you pay by card, they charge you down to the last cent, but cards—unlike cash—aren't actually legal tender in this country. It’s not a rule; it’s just a service provided by whatever bank you use.

Look, I’ve been around the block for fifty years, using both cards and cash, and it’s just plain wrong to say cards give you an advantage or make things faster.

For instance, when I hit a Shell station, I pull out $33, toss it on the counter, and I'm done. By the time someone finishes swiping their plastic, I’m already five miles down the road... Cash doesn't get declined (and it shouldn't!), and it doesn't care if the power goes out or the Wi-Fi dies. I’m not risking spending money I don't have or stuff that isn't mine. Especially since some banks make their cards out of cheap junk anyway. My son handles tons of card transactions daily, and he has plenty of horror stories that prove your "peace of mind" is a total lie...

Oh yeah? Why don't you tell us exactly what that "rule" is, so we can shut you down right now.

Really? And does that "financial genius" over here get his exact change back, or do they just pocket it? Stop talking nonsense. We aren't idiots, and we don't need you lecturing us on how money works...

We aren't even talking about the amount of money here; we're talking about a legal principle that's being ignored. That whole idea of "getting paid exactly to the cent" only works when you use cards, but cards aren't the primary legal way to pay. They don't even need to be, but you clearly can't grasp why, because you're too wrapped up in your own smug little bubble thinking nothing can ever touch you.

Give me a break. You pay interest on EVERY single credit card loan, but you don't pay it on debit cards—assuming you're actually staying in the black and not digging a hole in your checking account. And even if they don't call it "interest," they just wrap it up in some other stupid fee, like a monthly "maintenance charge" or whatever... look, you're always paying something. Don't try to play dumb and act like you're the only one who understands how these cards work. We aren't idiots.

Exactly. I get my full refund back without any hassle. 👍

Sarah Ruiz42 said:You don't get anything back. When you pay by card, they charge you down to the last cent, but cards—unlike cash—aren't actually legal tender in this country. It’s not a rule; it’s just a service provided by whatever bank you use.

Look, I’ve been around the block for fifty years, using both cards and cash, and it’s just plain wrong to say cards give you an advantage or make things faster.

For instance, when I hit a Shell station, I pull out $33, toss it on the counter, and I'm done. By the time someone finishes swiping their plastic, I’m already five miles down the road... Cash doesn't get declined (and it shouldn't!), and it doesn't care if the power goes out or the Wi-Fi dies. I’m not risking spending money I don't have or stuff that isn't mine. Especially since some banks make their cards out of cheap junk anyway. My son handles tons of card transactions daily, and he has plenty of horror stories that prove your "peace of mind" is a total lie...

Oh yeah? Why don't you tell us exactly what that "rule" is, so we can shut you down right now.

Really? And does that "financial genius" over here get his exact change back, or do they just pocket it? Stop talking nonsense. We aren't idiots, and we don't need you lecturing us on how money works...

We aren't even talking about the amount of money here; we're talking about a legal principle that's being ignored. That whole idea of "getting paid exactly to the cent" only works when you use cards, but cards aren't the primary legal way to pay. They don't even need to be, but you clearly can't grasp why, because you're too wrapped up in your own smug little bubble thinking nothing can ever touch you.

Give me a break. You pay interest on EVERY single credit card loan, but you don't pay it on debit cards—assuming you're actually staying in the black and not digging a hole in your checking account. And even if they don't call it "interest," they just wrap it up in some other stupid fee, like a monthly "maintenance charge" or whatever... look, you're always paying something. Don't try to play dumb and act like you're the only one who understands how these cards work. We aren't idiots.

I don't need to hit an exact number. I’ve already got my car running while you’re still shuffling toward the register. But this is getting way off track, so I'm done talking about payment speed, regardless of how many years you claim to have under your belt.

Sarah Ruiz42 said:You don't get anything back. When you pay by card, they charge you down to the last cent, but cards—unlike cash—aren't actually legal tender in this country. It’s not a rule; it’s just a service provided by whatever bank you use.

Look, I’ve been around the block for fifty years, using both cards and cash, and it’s just plain wrong to say cards give you an advantage or make things faster.

For instance, when I hit a Shell station, I pull out $33, toss it on the counter, and I'm done. By the time someone finishes swiping their plastic, I’m already five miles down the road... Cash doesn't get declined (and it shouldn't!), and it doesn't care if the power goes out or the Wi-Fi dies. I’m not risking spending money I don't have or stuff that isn't mine. Especially since some banks make their cards out of cheap junk anyway. My son handles tons of card transactions daily, and he has plenty of horror stories that prove your "peace of mind" is a total lie...

Oh yeah? Why don't you tell us exactly what that "rule" is, so we can shut you down right now.

Really? And does that "financial genius" over here get his exact change back, or do they just pocket it? Stop talking nonsense. We aren't idiots, and we don't need you lecturing us on how money works...

We aren't even talking about the amount of money here; we're talking about a legal principle that's being ignored. That whole idea of "getting paid exactly to the cent" only works when you use cards, but cards aren't the primary legal way to pay. They don't even need to be, but you clearly can't grasp why, because you're too wrapped up in your own smug little bubble thinking nothing can ever touch you.

Give me a break. You pay interest on EVERY single credit card loan, but you don't pay it on debit cards—assuming you're actually staying in the black and not digging a hole in your checking account. And even if they don't call it "interest," they just wrap it up in some other stupid fee, like a monthly "maintenance charge" or whatever... look, you're always paying something. Don't try to play dumb and act like you're the only one who understands how these cards work. We aren't idiots.

You aren't getting everything handed to you on a silver platter. Why don't you do the legwork yourself? Go ahead and audit the fee schedules for every major bank like Chase or Bank of America and report back here showing exactly how much they charge for every little thing.

Sarah Ruiz42 said:You don't get anything back. When you pay by card, they charge you down to the last cent, but cards—unlike cash—aren't actually legal tender in this country. It’s not a rule; it’s just a service provided by whatever bank you use.

Look, I’ve been around the block for fifty years, using both cards and cash, and it’s just plain wrong to say cards give you an advantage or make things faster.

For instance, when I hit a Shell station, I pull out $33, toss it on the counter, and I'm done. By the time someone finishes swiping their plastic, I’m already five miles down the road... Cash doesn't get declined (and it shouldn't!), and it doesn't care if the power goes out or the Wi-Fi dies. I’m not risking spending money I don't have or stuff that isn't mine. Especially since some banks make their cards out of cheap junk anyway. My son handles tons of card transactions daily, and he has plenty of horror stories that prove your "peace of mind" is a total lie...

Oh yeah? Why don't you tell us exactly what that "rule" is, so we can shut you down right now.

Really? And does that "financial genius" over here get his exact change back, or do they just pocket it? Stop talking nonsense. We aren't idiots, and we don't need you lecturing us on how money works...

We aren't even talking about the amount of money here; we're talking about a legal principle that's being ignored. That whole idea of "getting paid exactly to the cent" only works when you use cards, but cards aren't the primary legal way to pay. They don't even need to be, but you clearly can't grasp why, because you're too wrapped up in your own smug little bubble thinking nothing can ever touch you.

Give me a break. You pay interest on EVERY single credit card loan, but you don't pay it on debit cards—assuming you're actually staying in the black and not digging a hole in your checking account. And even if they don't call it "interest," they just wrap it up in some other stupid fee, like a monthly "maintenance charge" or whatever... look, you're always paying something. Don't try to play dumb and act like you're the only one who understands how these cards work. We aren't idiots.

How's it going? Cards. I finally made it. Credit cards are just high-interest traps disguised as convenience. It’s like renting your own money at a ridiculous markup.? 😵 That would certainly explain why your answers are so confused and wrong.
Nosy banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Sarah Ruiz42 said:Honestly, you’re just enabling a disorganized system. In places like Germany or Austria, even if prices end in .99, you actually get that penny back! I have never once experienced anyone trying to shortchange me by a cent because everything in this damn country is "rounded" to the nearest .99. Between those tiny margins, Walton and his crew probably rake in enough profit in a single day at a massive Walmart to cover everyone's entire payroll.

No, it doesn't. Not a single one of them is actually free. Even those prepaid cards aren't truly free, and with credit cards, the interest rates they charge are absolutely insane.

Sure, they might offer it "without an annual fee" for the first year, but they'll get you on the interest. By the second year, you're totally screwed—you're stuck paying everything from membership fees to high interest. Banks are living proof that the things labeled "free" are usually the most expensive traps out there.

I’m not enabling anyone. Every single time, I get my money back without any hassle or wasted time. Ever heard of efficiency?

Sarah Ruiz42 said:Honestly, you’re just enabling a disorganized system. In places like Germany or Austria, even if prices end in .99, you actually get that penny back! I have never once experienced anyone trying to shortchange me by a cent because everything in this damn country is "rounded" to the nearest .99. Between those tiny margins, Walton and his crew probably rake in enough profit in a single day at a massive Walmart to cover everyone's entire payroll.

No, it doesn't. Not a single one of them is actually free. Even those prepaid cards aren't truly free, and with credit cards, the interest rates they charge are absolutely insane.

Sure, they might offer it "without an annual fee" for the first year, but they'll get you on the interest. By the second year, you're totally screwed—you're stuck paying everything from membership fees to high interest. Banks are living proof that the things labeled "free" are usually the most expensive traps out there.

If you're so sure about that, feel free to pay for them yourself.🙄
Nosy banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
rowdypilot19 said:
I guess I should probably start by saying that things feel... different lately. Maybe it’s just me, or maybe I’m overthinking everything, but there's this sense of weight in the air, you know? Like we're all just waiting for something to shift. I was sitting there, just thinking about how much has changed, and I started wondering if anyone else feels that weird, restless energy. It’s hard to put my finger on it, honestly. I mean, I don't want to sound like I'm being dramatic—I really don't—but it feels significant. Just an observation, I suppose. Or maybe just a random thought spinning around in my head while I try to make sense of it all. I guess we'll see. kaže:
Why even bring up the Constitution when you clearly haven't actually read it? I mean, I guess... maybe you think you know, but it's a big document, right? It’s easy to just toss terms around without really digging into the actual text. Just a thought, I suppose. 🤔

Because I just want to know what it actually says about that part, you know? I don't really have the patience to waste three whole days digging through the entire thing myself... I guess.

Man, I wish everyone around here would just start taking cards already. Honestly, having to deal with cash just stresses me out... I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it really gets on my nerves.

It honestly drives me crazy when someone pays with a card and they have to swipe it seven different times, then wait for the machine to process, then wait for a signature, then this and that... it's just so incredibly slow. I mean, it gets to the point where maybe retailers could actually just hike up their margins just because the system is such a drag, you know? Just so they don't lose out on profit while everyone stands there waiting.

Three days? It's not like the Constitution is a massive novel.
Stop making statements and just ask a question.

rowdypilot19 said:
I guess I should probably start by saying that things feel... different lately. Maybe it’s just me, or maybe I’m overthinking everything, but there's this sense of weight in the air, you know? Like we're all just waiting for something to shift. I was sitting there, just thinking about how much has changed, and I started wondering if anyone else feels that weird, restless energy. It’s hard to put my finger on it, honestly. I mean, I don't want to sound like I'm being dramatic—I really don't—but it feels significant. Just an observation, I suppose. Or maybe just a random thought spinning around in my head while I try to make sense of it all. I guess we'll see. kaže:
Why even bring up the Constitution when you clearly haven't actually read it? I mean, I guess... maybe you think you know, but it's a big document, right? It’s easy to just toss terms around without really digging into the actual text. Just a thought, I suppose. 🤔

Because I just want to know what it actually says about that part, you know? I don't really have the patience to waste three whole days digging through the entire thing myself... I guess.

Man, I wish everyone around here would just start taking cards already. Honestly, having to deal with cash just stresses me out... I don't know, maybe it's just me, but it really gets on my nerves.

It honestly drives me crazy when someone pays with a card and they have to swipe it seven different times, then wait for the machine to process, then wait for a signature, then this and that... it's just so incredibly slow. I mean, it gets to the point where maybe retailers could actually just hike up their margins just because the system is such a drag, you know? Just so they don't lose out on profit while everyone stands there waiting.

Same here with people digging through their wallets looking for change. "I don't have it," "Wait, there it is," dropping coins on the floor, the cashier grabbing them from the customer, or insisting on exact change. Or when someone shows up with a $167, and there's no cash to make change, so they're running to the next register or hunting down the manager...

rowdypilot19 said:So, is there even such a thing as a free credit card out there?

And honestly, why would I even bother using a bank at all? It feels kind of pointless, I guess.

I mean, eventually they’ll just start hitting you with negative interest rates, and then you’d probably have to go find someone else to lend your own money to just so you don't get stuck paying those negative rates yourself... which I suppose is how the bank ends up making their profit off them anyway. 😁

There is.
Nosy banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
rowdypilot19 said:I mean, I'm thinking that making changes like that would probably require some amendments to the Constitution... but hey, maybe someone can set me straight if that's not actually how things are laid out in the Constitution.

Why even bring up the constitution when you clearly haven't read it? 🤔

Larry Walker24 said:Seriously, people in Canada use cards way more than cash. It happened to me at a grocery store once—the cashier actually looked at me like I was some kind of dinosaur and asked, "Sir, I noticed you pay for everything with cash... don't you have a card or something?"

If only everyone around here accepted cards. Cash just gets on my nerves...
Chase Online in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
Here's their response. You can find the specific question over on the Medicare site.

brightharbor13 said:I’m honestly surprised that nobody has jumped on this yet regarding JPMorgan Chase’s announcement that you won't be able to access their online banking services anymore if you're still running Windows XP!
The directive from JPMorgan Chase tells us to just go out and grab Windows 7 or 8 because XP isn't secure, but isn't that such a half-baked statement without any actual reasoning behind it? It really makes me wonder if this is all just a clever little way to help Microsoft boost their sales here in the US by forcing everyone onto newer versions of Windows.
What do you guys think?

Anything else cross your mind since then? Maybe Linux? 🙂

Austin Robinson33 said:It's mainly for security reasons, seeing as Microsoft stopped releasing security patches for XP a while back.

In this case, the issue isn't even directly about XP; it's an SSL protocol problem. 😉
Nosy banks in Banking, Insurance & Loans ·
George Barrett35 said:The FATCA questionnaire has absolutely nothing to do with the anti-money laundering and counter-terrorist financing questionnaire.

Just so we’re all clear once and for all, the FinCEN questionnaire isn't strictly defined by statute—in fact, no specific form is—but rather by the Hub based on guidelines issued by FinCEN.

A few relevant sections from the law:
Customer Due Diligence Measures
Section 8.
(1) Unless otherwise provided by this Act, customer due diligence includes the following measures:
1. identifying the customer and verifying their identity based on documents, data, or information obtained from a reliable, dependable, and independent source,
2. identifying and verifying the identity of the customer's beneficial owner,
3. collecting data regarding the purpose and intended nature of the business relationship or transaction, along with other data required under this Act,,
...

Data Collection
Section 25.
(1) As part of customer due diligence, when establishing a business relationship under Section 9, subsection 1, point 1 of this Act, the obligated entity collects data pursuant to Section 16. subsection 1, points 1, 4, 5, 7. and 8 of this Act.
...

Obtaining Data by Obligated Entities
Section 16.
...
7. data concerning the purpose and intended nature of the business relationship, including information about the customer's business activities;;
...

Section 7.
...
(2) The obligated entity is required to conduct a risk analysis and, using that analysis, determine the risk rating for a specific group or type of customer, business relationship, product, or transaction relative to potential abuses related to money laundering or terrorist financing.

So, look, just basic identifiers (name, address, SSN, place of birth...) aren't nearly enough for due diligence or for categorizing a client into a risk group; you also need additional data regarding the intended purpose and nature of the business relationship.

That is exactly what this Questionnaire is for:
I don't know about other banks, but at Chase, the questionnaire covers exclusively this type of data.

Obviously, you can always refuse to give the bank the information they ask for, but they can refuse to open an account or unilaterally terminate the business relationship with the client (and they probably will).

Refusal of Business Relationships and Transactions
Section 13.
(1) An obligated entity that cannot carry out the measures set forth in Section 8, subsection 1, points 1, 2, and 3 of this Act, shall not establish a business relationship or execute a transaction, specifically...is forced to terminate an existing business relationship.

Who said they were connected? People just lump them together because they both get shoved down your throat at once.

George Barrett35 said:The FATCA questionnaire has absolutely nothing to do with the anti-money laundering and counter-terrorist financing questionnaire.

Just so we’re all clear once and for all, the FinCEN questionnaire isn't strictly defined by statute—in fact, no specific form is—but rather by the Hub based on guidelines issued by FinCEN.

A few relevant sections from the law:
Customer Due Diligence Measures
Section 8.
(1) Unless otherwise provided by this Act, customer due diligence includes the following measures:
1. identifying the customer and verifying their identity based on documents, data, or information obtained from a reliable, dependable, and independent source,
2. identifying and verifying the identity of the customer's beneficial owner,
3. collecting data regarding the purpose and intended nature of the business relationship or transaction, along with other data required under this Act,,
...

Data Collection
Section 25.
(1) As part of customer due diligence, when establishing a business relationship under Section 9, subsection 1, point 1 of this Act, the obligated entity collects data pursuant to Section 16. subsection 1, points 1, 4, 5, 7. and 8 of this Act.
...

Obtaining Data by Obligated Entities
Section 16.
...
7. data concerning the purpose and intended nature of the business relationship, including information about the customer's business activities;;
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Section 7.
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(2) The obligated entity is required to conduct a risk analysis and, using that analysis, determine the risk rating for a specific group or type of customer, business relationship, product, or transaction relative to potential abuses related to money laundering or terrorist financing.

So, look, just basic identifiers (name, address, SSN, place of birth...) aren't nearly enough for due diligence or for categorizing a client into a risk group; you also need additional data regarding the intended purpose and nature of the business relationship.

That is exactly what this Questionnaire is for:
I don't know about other banks, but at Chase, the questionnaire covers exclusively this type of data.

Obviously, you can always refuse to give the bank the information they ask for, but they can refuse to open an account or unilaterally terminate the business relationship with the client (and they probably will).

Refusal of Business Relationships and Transactions
Section 13.
(1) An obligated entity that cannot carry out the measures set forth in Section 8, subsection 1, points 1, 2, and 3 of this Act, shall not establish a business relationship or execute a transaction, specifically...is forced to terminate an existing business relationship.

Some are, even if they're usually governed by internal regulations. But the Hub can take their little internal rules and shove them. Their internal policy isn't legally binding for me. Especially when they try to (i) scrape data that counts as trade secrets, (ii) force guesses about future amounts, or (iii) demand info on transaction origins. It’s not like we all carry crystal balls.

If they shut someone's account based on non-mandatory data, I hope they enjoy explaining themselves in open court. 👍

Where in the law does it actually say a client is required to report changes to the Bank?
Quote:I’ll personally notify you if any of my previously stated details or information change.
For more info, check this link—I'll just pull out this specific part:
Quote:...it was determined that these forms collect a significantly larger scope of personal data than what the Anti-Money Laundering Act requires, specifically collecting data stemming from the Tax Enforcement Agreement regarding accounts held in foreign financial institutions.


All I don't get is why they didn't explicitly add "for terrorism purposes" as an option next to "What is the purpose of opening an account at the Bank," because that's the only way this whole questionnaire makes sense. They'll have all the other data anyway after using the account for a month or two.
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Questioning someone who’s basically a walking political target is like an investigation by the FTC. Most of us here have zero skin in this game and shouldn't waste a single second answering them.

And yeah, sure, maybe I missed something. But honestly, who can keep up when they're churning out legislation at this speed? That’s exactly why the bill and the link to the regulatory repository are right there. If you want to play judge without doing the homework, go ahead and start reading 😉. If you find any gaps, drop them here so we all actually learn something.
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rowdypilot19 said:If they can't even manage their own borders or control who's coming and going... well, I guess there's really nobody to blame but themselves at that point.

It’s not about borders. The USA has a worldwide tax policy for its citizens.
And look—they actually managed to control that. That’s exactly what the EU and everyone else should be focusing on.
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This isn't about sales tax; we're talking income tax.
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It’s way easier to legally force payers to hand over their data 👍
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The USA, the European Union, and Switzerland just inked a deal to swap data on citizens earning money overseas.
Now you’re legally obligated to track and hand over those details because the US wants its 30% cut, no matter where you make it.
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If nobody else has bothered to copy this over yet, here’s the excerpt from the federal anti-terrorism and money laundering statutes.

Section 3. EXECUTING THE PARTY'S DUE DILIGENCE PROTOCOL
Data collection by obligated parties.
Article 16.
When performing enhanced due diligence on a client, anyone covered under Section 4, Paragraph 2 of this Act is required to gather the following data:
1. Full name, home address, date of birth, place of birth, Social Security number, and the type, number, and issuing authority of your ID. For the following individuals:
This applies to individuals, legal guardians, sole proprietors, or anyone running their own business who enters into a contract or completes a transaction.

Cross everything else out.

But hey, there's also this other clause that says:
The Secretary of the Treasury has the authority to set new rules requiring taxpayers to hand over extra data for deep-dive audits and to keep the IRS informed.

So, what exactly did our brilliant Secretary mandate? You can find the full list right here—though, personally, I don't see any extra data being collected. 🤷).
Check out the legal guidelines and regulations over at the US Treasury website.

Regarding Fatka, if you don't have any actual ties to the US, the conversation ends right there. It’s a one-second job. Unless you’re acting suspicious—like trying too hard with an American accent or calling yourself Bush—there's nothing more to say.
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rowdypilot19 said:In what world?

Yeah, right... like, I guess you're gonna be biking the kids to school through a massive thunderstorm or some crazy windstorm.

I see people driving like that in the rain every single day...
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Aktivan offers a few more features than Modern, but honestly, who cares? Modern isn't even on the table right now anyway. 🙂