Donna White50 said:Thomas Nelson25
You don't always have to lay every single emotion out on the table—honestly, just letting kids know they have the space to vent and talk about how they’re feeling is usually enough... The real issue is when all that negative stuff just sits there, building up and staying bottled inside for way too long. People who are actually mentally resilient and steady don't just snap under pressure, you know? But let's be real—most parents just aren't teaching their kids how to do that...
Look, let's be real—status, cash, and a sweet ride aren't just random things. They’re basically the roadmap to success. If a guy knows that having a fat bank account and a nice car is what actually draws women in, then yeah, he’s gonna go after that money and those wheels. That's just how society views value, right? And when you're young, you're just out there hungry for attention, dating, hanging out, and trying to get that respect from the crowd. Honestly, guys are just playing the game to fit in with whatever the people around them expect...
Thomas Nelson25
You're talking nonsense and honestly, you've had a grudge against me since that last thread, and you're just projecting it here.
Look, let me put it this way: when you're an athlete competing, there's no room for tears. When you're defending yourself, there's no room for emotions or crying. At work or in a business meeting, there's no room for tears, weakness, or being overly empathetic. When you're raising a kid, there's no room for crying in front of them... Is that really so hard to wrap your head around?
You can't just label masculinity as inherently bad, and you have zero proof that the world would be better if everyone acted "feminine." And frankly, you know why—even if women express their emotions freely, we all know they can be jealous, spiteful, vengeful, or master manipulators. So, guaranteeing emotional expression doesn't guarantee peace or happiness in the world. Also, people don't go to war just because men feel "manly" or are pumped up on testosterone; it's more about the fundamental inability to accept different opinions or lifestyles. It's easier to judge others and try to grab more power for yourself.
By the way, you're being pretty ridiculous with that example of someone losing loved ones in a short time. Mourning is a personal process—it isn't universal. Everyone goes through it differently, so him being that way doesn't make him a bad person, and you shouldn't be judging him. That's just... not very human of you.
And just to be clear, growing up, I was never into sports, aggression, or acting cold. I've been a pacifist since I can remember—someone who hates weapons and conflict and just tries to understand people's differences. Even so, I don't agree with you (and yes, I watched the documentary twice) no matter how much you want to put me in a specific little box. Nor do I think tears are the only way to show humanity, which I've explained before... because sometimes, when things go wrong, you just have to roll up your sleeves, get to work, give it your all, and grit your teeth. Crying and whining won't solve anything. The movie is garbage because it tries to use empathy to push the idea that masculinity is a bad trait and that men and women should always express every emotion without any masks—which is just a total illusion and a utopia. It's never happened, and it never will...
It feels like you’ve just sat yourself down right on top of a whole bag of whatever ideology is currently clouding your judgment. It’s funny, really—often those who claim to know the opponent's ideological vocabulary inside and out end up slipping right back into that very same camp themselves. Even when they think they're opposing it. We see it everywhere, don't we? One day it's radical feminists, the next it's the pro-life crowd, then the pro-choice side... it all bleeds together.
Anyway, what actually BUGS me (😉), if I'm being honest, is the hypocrisy. You won't apply your own critical method to yourself. I find nothing in your argument particularly convincing. First, you try to convince me that the entire world is just one giant battlefield—from market competition and sports to sex and the economy. You insist this is the reality (EVEN IF IT'S WRONG), and imply that if I don't agree, I'm somehow obligated to go out and buy into it?
Then, on the flip side, you pivot from that "realism" almost instantly into some utopian vision of tomorrow, where people aren't just brainwashed, feminized shells shaped by unrealistic media outlets (😁) that manufacture a version of the world that suits your whims. (EVEN IF IT'S WRONG, suddenly you're ready to get involved). 😁
What does this hypocritical approach reveal to me? Well, first, it shows how deeply we are all subject to ideologies, down to our very core. Second, it suggests you lack the actual arguments to defend your "might makes right" masculine worldview—so instead, you resort to these emotional pleas. And third, given everything said, trying to mold men and women into ideal warriors for a specific social system isn't just irrational; it's neither humane nor fair.
I'd like to believe you aren't doing this intentionally or as part of some grand plan, which is why I'm pointing it out.