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Do you have to be ruthless to succeed? How do the "good guys" fare?

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A Anonymous VeteranOP
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#1 ·
Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?
Eric White10 Eric White10 Member
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#2 ·
Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?

First, I try to nudge them toward doing something good—maybe a charity drive or just helping out the community—so they can see firsthand that being a decent human being actually pays off in the long run.🤷

Most of the time, though, that doesn't really work, so I just make sure to keep my distance.
mistymaker842 mistymaker842 Newcomer
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#3 ·
Yeah, look, you basically have to be a total jerk if you want to actually get ahead in this world. It’s just how it works. If you aren't willing to play dirty, you just have to accept the fact that you're always going to get stepped on by some bottom-feeder who doesn't care about anyone else. I've kind of made my peace with it—I've decided to just roll with the punches—and honestly, it makes things feel a little less heavy. It’s not like it suddenly becomes easy or anything, but hey, whatever.
Jeremy Palmer Jeremy Palmer Member
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Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?


...nobody can invade our inner sanctum, drain our energy, mess with our vibe, or intrude upon our lives to trigger painful reactions—unless we personally open the door and give them permission to do so...

Personally, I tend to be a bit guarded and rarely let people get too close. But when I do let someone in, I accept them completely. I’m perfectly okay with the fact that they aren't "perfect" or always acting with pure intentions. People have moods, they make mistakes, and life is unpredictable. I don't take it personally when someone is having an off day or holds some questionable views. For the people I truly love and have let into my heart, I try to be quite forgiving and tolerant because I embrace them exactly as they are.

As for everyone else, they stay on the periphery of my awareness. What they think or do doesn't really touch me. They can be whoever they want to be, as long as they leave me alone! If any negativity from them ever does head my way, it just slides right off because, frankly, they just don't matter to me.
Roger Morgan4 Roger Morgan4 Active Member
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#5 ·
I just can't seem to get it right; I’m constantly miscalculating, setting the wrong expectations. It isn't even that I expect too much, per se—it’s more that my expectations are fundamentally misplaced. I tend to measure people by my own internal yardstick, somehow missing the obvious truths staring me right in the face. And when someone inevitably lets me down, it feels like my entire world is collapsing. It triggers these intense emotional outbursts—waves of sadness, guilt, self-reproach, even a bit of self-destruction. I can't seem to learn from it. I suppose that’s just part of being human, though. The hardest part is the repetitive cycle of it all: the failed attempts at connection, the botched efforts to get close to someone, and the feeling that with every unsuccessful attempt, a little piece of me withers away. Eventually, I fear I'll reach a point where I simply won't trust anyone anymore. To be honest, there isn't much point in me rambling on like this, as it's clear I still haven't found the answer to the question you asked.
Charles Martinez17 Charles Martinez17 Newcomer
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#6 ·
it’s gotta be top-tier quality
Roger Morgan4 Roger Morgan4 Active Member
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#7 ·
Charles Martinez17 said:it’s gotta be top-tier quality

🙂 but how exactly is that going to work out?
Charles Martinez17 Charles Martinez17 Newcomer
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#8 ·
I mean, we could probably build an entire psychological profile here... but just to kick things off, anyone like that is definitely playing on a higher intellectual level. They're clearly someone who marches to the beat of their own drum, and honestly? People can't help but respect them for it.
Roger Morgan4 Roger Morgan4 Active Member
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#9 ·
Alright, you’ve gone ahead and defined what constitutes "garbage," but you haven't quite touched on where the "good" actually lies, have you?
Amanda Sullivan3 Amanda Sullivan3 Member
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#10 ·
Roger Morgan4 said:I just can't seem to get it right; I’m constantly miscalculating, setting the wrong expectations. It isn't even that I expect too much, per se—it’s more that my expectations are fundamentally misplaced. I tend to measure people by my own internal yardstick, somehow missing the obvious truths staring me right in the face. And when someone inevitably lets me down, it feels like my entire world is collapsing. It triggers these intense emotional outbursts—waves of sadness, guilt, self-reproach, even a bit of self-destruction. I can't seem to learn from it. I suppose that’s just part of being human, though. The hardest part is the repetitive cycle of it all: the failed attempts at connection, the botched efforts to get close to someone, and the feeling that with every unsuccessful attempt, a little piece of me withers away. Eventually, I fear I'll reach a point where I simply won't trust anyone anymore. To be honest, there isn't much point in me rambling on like this, as it's clear I still haven't found the answer to the question you asked.

I hear you. There really is more of that happening lately, especially among the younger generation in America. I truly understand where you're coming from.😉
Joshua Evans7 Joshua Evans7 Active Member
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#11 ·
I find it much easier to deal with the loud, expressive types, whereas I struggle more with those who seem calm and collected on the surface. You can never quite tell what they're thinking, especially if they're holding a lot of internal stress 🤷
feralhound55 feralhound55 Active Member
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#12 ·
Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?

Once I realized I didn't want to be a total jerk, I decided to be a good person. Then I figured out I wasn't actually being kind enough to myself—I was just taking crap from everyone else and hurting my own well-being. So, I built up some self-confidence, and honestly, life's much better now.

Like Jane said, nobody can do anything to you unless you give them permission. And regarding that whole "everything is sliding downhill" feeling... there are ways to handle it.

For your own sake... try living without expectations. Just observe things, and stop comparing yourself to others. Instead of asking, "Is this person as generous as I am?"—just ask, "Who is this person, really?"
Rebecca Scott3 Rebecca Scott3 Active Member
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#13 ·
Honestly, there are certain people in my life who truly mean the world to me... I don't really sweat the social gatherings or meetups that feel a bit hollow or awkward. To me, those lackluster events are just a backdrop—they serve as a reminder of what real connection feels like when you're actually hanging out with your closest friends.
...As for the people who see the world through a completely different lens... those who haven't quite reached the same level of self-awareness or understanding that I have... I approach them with a sort of detached empathy. It’s like looking at someone with a totally different set of life experiences; their behavior is just a byproduct of their own unique journey, so I don't take it personally.
Sarah Garcia12 Sarah Garcia12 Member
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#14 ·
Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?


That "well-meaning" thing... it's the worst. Honestly, what gets to me most is when I meet someone, or at least I *think* I've really gotten to know them, and we become pretty close after a few years pass... maybe two or three. Of course, things happen during that time, you know? Little disagreements, feeling a bit let down or just sad about something, but you usually just brush it off because everyone has their moods and quirks... you shouldn't sweat the small stuff. But I didn't always brush off those quirks. I’d just think, "Oh well, I'm not perfect either," but lately, I've just been feeling more hurt and disappointed... turns out, that person wasn't even who they claimed to be. I could have seen it through all those little red flags, but I was just blind because I'm always looking for the good in people. You wouldn't believe the shock... and now I'm just sitting here blaming myself for not looking at things from a different angle. I really hope I don't make the same mistake again...

Still, I don't think you ever need to be a total jerk. Even if I wanted to be one, I honestly wouldn't even know how...
Noah Myers67 Noah Myers67 Newcomer
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#15 ·
You don't have to be a jerk. You just need a healthy dose of self-respect and the backbone to stop letting people walk all over you.
Charles Martinez17 Charles Martinez17 Newcomer
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#16 ·
Roger Morgan4 said:Alright, you’ve gone ahead and defined what constitutes "garbage," but you haven't quite touched on where the "good" actually lies, have you?

Man, I was actually hoping you’d list some decent qualities that could play nice with the crap I already mentioned. You know, so we could actually build a complete profile of what defines absolute trash.
Jamie Price Jamie Price Member
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#17 ·
I honestly find it quite shameful how anyone could possibly advise another person to be anything less than decent, or worse, suggest they become someone unpleasant themselves. I suppose we should all just remember that everything eventually comes back around, and every action carries its own consequence.
Amanda Sullivan3 Amanda Sullivan3 Member
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#18 ·
That’s a great point. We should definitely catch up about this sometime soon.
Patrick Johnson8 Patrick Johnson8 Member
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#19 ·
I guess it’s just me... I approach every person differently
mistybison mistybison Regular
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#20 ·
Anonymous said:Sometimes I can’t help but feel like life would be a lot easier if I were just more ruthless. But honestly? That’s just not who I am, and I don't know how to function in an environment like that. Even when I’m surrounded by people who seem well-meaning on the surface—even though we all know deep down they’re total snakes—I still give them the benefit of the doubt until they eventually stab me in the back. When they do, I just end up feeling disappointed, angry, and heartbroken, wondering how this keeps happening to me. I truly love genuine, good people, but they tend to live in their own little bubbles. Nowadays, if you actually want to build a meaningful life and surround yourself with decent human beings, it feels like you have to fight through a gauntlet of chaos just to establish a sense of security and independence.

I’m curious to hear from you guys: how have you structured your lives to find peace? More importantly, how do you navigate around the materialists, the egoists, and those selfish power-trippers with warped values who seem to hold all the cards?

I have reached a point where I am no longer overly preoccupied with others. While that might sound harsh out of context, it simply means I avoid becoming too emotionally attached, which prevents me from harboring unrealistic expectations. I remain prepared for any outcome, understanding that everyone possesses both flaws and virtues, and that people’s shifting moods are rarely a reflection of my own worth. Although my intuition regarding character remains fairly accurate, even when I am surprised by someone, it no longer affects me deeply. I refuse to lose faith in humanity or alter my fundamental nature just because I encountered an individual who didn't meet my standards.

I approach my relationships with intention, engaging only in the types of connections that feel mutually beneficial and appropriate. If I find someone’s character to be incompatible—whether they are manipulative, overly possessive, or simply unkind—I distance myself accordingly. When professional obligations require me to interact with someone I wouldn't otherwise choose, I focus on establishing and maintaining firm boundaries to ensure the dynamic stays strictly within acceptable limits. If there is no necessity for such interaction, I simply withdraw entirely.

There is simply no way to shield yourself from encountering unpleasant people in life. Trust is something earned over time rather than a gift handed out to strangers or casual acquaintances. I always choose to start from a positive standpoint—assuming people will be decent—but I maintain enough healthy skepticism to stay prepared if they aren't. I tend to balance my perspective until someone proves they've tipped the scales. In the past, I was far too accommodating; I believed I could maintain functional relationships with almost anyone, regardless of how difficult, insecure, or dishonest they might be. I used to think everyone deserved a chance at friendship, but I've since learned that was an exaggeration. 😁 Unfortunately, it became clear that certain "difficult" individuals would inevitably act in ways that would damage or even destroy our relationship. I simply no longer have the desire to waste my time or energy on those types of people, at least not more than absolutely necessary.

I find myself appreciating the kindness in people more and more every day. 🙂 I believe truly healthy relationships can only flourish with people who possess genuine integrity, alongside strong self-esteem and self-respect. While you can certainly find interest in other types of connections, they always feel incomplete—marked by an underlying tension and distance because you can never truly let your guard down. When you constantly have to navigate someone else's insecurities, walk on eggshells to avoid bruising their ego, or manage their unpredictable moods and outbursts, it becomes exhausting. Constantly validating someone's delusions or building defensive walls just to avoid being exploited eventually drains your spirit, leaving you with no desire to maintain those ties.

I believe people frequently mistake genuine kindness and integrity for a simple lack of self-respect—what some might call a "doormat personality." 😁 There are individuals who act as if they exist solely to serve others, only to be shocked when they end up being exploited, or they offer endless unsolicited favors and then feel resentful when nothing is returned in kind. Anyone who consistently exits every relationship feeling used, betrayed, or disappointed—repeatedly gravitating toward narcissists, egoists, or toxic personalities—really ought to take a moment to reflect on why that pattern keeps repeating.

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