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High School Guide: Admissions, reviews, and advice in Students & Teens ·
swiftbear86 said:What I wrote is absolutely correct; I just didn't specify which year I was talking about.
Back in 2009, for the English competition, the key factor was regional placement, which is why I mentioned Azoo specifically. Students from Washington, D.C. had lower scores than students from Pittsburgh, who had 61 points, or Oakhurst, who had 59. Back then, there was a lot of pushback against the Agency because the criteria for English were different, whereas for every other subject, it was strictly based on raw scores.
The Agency's response was basically that's just how it works for English, but they wouldn't rule out changing it later. (I was teaching 7th grade back then).
I don't have the energy to go digging through old records right now. (I can't remember which Washington, D.C. Elementary School hosted the regional competition).
If I recall, the gap was about 10 points, so the kids from Washington, D.C. definitely got the short end of the stick.
Clearly, things have changed since then—I haven't kept up closely enough to know for sure.

That’s exactly why I think it's so vital to show up to public forums and write to the Department and the Agency if the rules aren't being applied fairly.☕

Wait, I found the year! Now I just need to find where the regional was held, but I'm wiped out for the day...

It’s possible things were handled that way that particular year (I was on maternity leave, so I couldn't say for sure), but both before and after, it was based on points rather than ranking.

True, one should participate in the discussions, but does anyone actually value the opinion of the experts? Not even by a fraction of a percent.
When the infamous HNOS and the new NPIP (national plan and program) were being drafted, teachers worked tirelessly on them for nearly a year, only for their proposals to be presented. Then came the review process, yet almost none of those insights were integrated into the final versions. Perhaps if parents organized themselves—if they sent mass open letters and petitions, flooded the secretary's office, or perhaps even boycotted a truly idiotic decision... who knows. Maybe then a certain Secretary might start feeling the pressure of their seat.
As it stands, it creates this illusion where teachers are one side, parents are another, and the Secretary is a third party, when in reality, parents and teachers are more often on the same side than people realize.
Even the staff at the agency are powerless; they simply receive an order and are forced to carry it out.
High School Guide: Admissions, reviews, and advice in Students & Teens ·
swiftbear86 said:I’m with you on that.
If I were setting the rules, the only thing worth giving extra credit for would be making it to a national competition in a core subject. Maybe one point for participating, and then a little bump for the top three finishers at the state level or the regional level.
The problem is, even those competitions aren't always fair.
Right now, getting to the nationals depends on whether you rank at the very top of your specific region, rather than just having a high enough score overall.
That might have changed recently, but just a few years ago, you could have a student in Washington, D.C. with way higher scores than someone in another state, yet they wouldn't even get an invite to the national stage because of how the regional cutoffs worked.
In my book, the only metric that should count is pure merit—basically, your actual score.

I am all for recognizing achievements at both the regional and national levels, provided they occur within any activity where the organizing institution holds a legitimate certification for working with children and youth.

What you mentioned regarding the competitions organized by the Department of Education is actually quite far from the truth. Quite the opposite, in fact. Scores are compared, and students qualify for national competitions based on their total points, not merely their rank within a single state. It is precisely the inverse of what you described: take an English exam, for instance, where there was a year when absolutely no one from Washington, D.C. was invited. Either we were simply incompetent along with our students, or perhaps certain regions were leaking test questions beforehand, resulting in five or six students from the same area walking away with perfect scores at the regional level.

There are so many fundamental issues that need to be straightened out before we can even begin to discuss "reform"—though I wonder which order we should address them in.

My oldest "test subject" is fortunately navigating college life, and my youngest still has baby teeth, but I truly feel for my former eighth-grade "test subjects." These were kids who were counting on points earned through sports or through music and dance schools—where they spent upwards of twelve hours a week practicing—only to see those efforts rendered useless because they let a 'C' slip onto their report cards.

Applying changes retroactively? That is absolutely unacceptable.
High School Guide: Admissions, reviews, and advice in Students & Teens ·
Rachel Jones8 said:Did you take those entrance exams in America? For freshman year?
What kind of stuff was on them?

Not sure I totally follow...
So teacher salaries would depend on how well the kids did on the exit exams?
What do you mean by the bolded part? Does that mean people who went above and beyond, or does it include everyone teaching that subject?
If the junior high exit exams are too expensive, then external evaluations (state testing, but both oral and written) that include checks on functional skills and abilities (anytime and unannounced) would be a great way to monitor teacher performance and grading objectivity from first grade all the way through eighth.

How would that actually look in real life? When would these tests happen, how much stuff would there be... and who handles the oral exams to make sure they stay completely objective?

My thought was that all teachers working in standard classrooms with students should be paid based on the results of their graduating classes. If I taught English to a group from 5th through 8th grade, I am responsible for their proficiency. If one single generation performs poorly, I could argue that my fault was minimal because the class composition was just poor, but if two generations fail to meet standards, then the issue clearly lies with me. If three generations fail, there ought to be serious consequences.
Of course, such a system could only be implemented once it’s fully developed—for instance, one would have to account for the success of the 5th graders on their initial placement tests, and then consider the number of years a teacher has worked with the children, since it makes a massive difference whether I took over a class when they were in 5th grade or when they were already in 8th.

I emphasized intentionally that a written exam alone wouldn't be a valid indicator of success, especially if we are only testing academic achievement. That would essentially be a step backward, because the purpose of education in an Elementary School cannot merely be the acquisition of facts, but rather the development of skills and functional abilities, which are far more important than mere data points that are easily memorized and forgotten.
Just as there are baseline and final measurements in PE to track physical development, the same logic could be applied to other subjects.

An oral exam can also, and indeed must be, objective if the tasks are thoughtfully designed and if there is a panel of examiners. For example, in an English class, a 5th grader is expected to have developed the skill of subjective description—say, describing an interior setting. If each examiner independently evaluates specific criteria (task completion, content, composition, basic adherence to linguistic norms, sentence structure, lexicon, creativity in detail and expressive tools, verbal values, and the expression of personal perspective and experience), then the cumulative score from five different examiners would be objective.
The same applies to testing listening comprehension. The parameters there are even clearer. Examiners wouldn't be improvising; they would simply have a set list of questions that the student is required to answer after listening to a passage.
High School Guide: Admissions, reviews, and advice in Students & Teens ·
hiddenjackal17 said:I took my high school entrance exams back in San Diego. It was for medical school prep, and if I remember right, it was biology, chemistry, and then just... nothing else sticks. I mostly just remember the frustration. That would have been around 1989, if my math is right. Wasn't it like that everywhere back then? Everyone having to deal with entrance exams for high school?

It was happening all over the country. Come on, if you don't mind me asking, tell me more about that frustration. What does it do to an eighth grader when they face an exam that feels like it carries the weight of their entire future? Especially for those just trying to pass their middle school finals with a single shot at it?
High School Guide: Admissions, reviews, and advice in Students & Teens ·
Rachel Jones8 said:Sure, that would be the dream, but you already said yourself it’s just not happening given all the variables involved. Right?

The real question is whether we can actually build the infrastructure necessary to make it happen.
High School Guide: Admissions, reviews, and advice in Students & Teens ·
hiddenjackal17 said:I was born in '75. Back then, we actually sat for entrance exams to get into High School, which honestly wasn't a bad way to do things. But living here in Germany, everything works a bit differently. We don't have school-aged kids yet, but I know how it goes: elementary school lasts four years, and then your grades dictate where you head next. They look at three specific subjects—German, math, and science—calculated down to two decimal places. Better grades mean a shot at a preparatory academy or a track leading to college; lower marks push you toward vocational schools or trade programs. There’s also this "trial period" thing. If the grades aren't quite there, a student might get a few days of trial classes in a more academic track. It’s basically an interrogation to see if the kid actually has what it takes for that level of schooling. I don't know which system is better. Is a ten-year-old really ready to make life-altering decisions about their future? Seems early. And yet, over here, it seems to work perfectly fine.
Looking at how things stand in America right now, there’s clearly plenty of room for improvement. I've been reading about this new reform... but is it actually going to happen? Is it just another big idea floating around in a boardroom, or are we actually going to see some real, concrete changes? Who knows.

In many parts of Europe, a fluid educational system is simply a reality. A child matures, realizes they are capable of handling a more rigorous academic path (or perhaps a different vocational one), and can pivot their direction at any time. That would be the true solution.
In Sweden, for instance, you can retake high school subject exams at almost any point in your life if you weren't satisfied with the grades or the level of knowledge you demonstrated back when you were just a kid.
If our students could sit for a high-quality, objective exam in any grade of high school to transfer into a different type of institution, most of these problems would vanish. But that would also mean that students who realize they can't keep up with the curriculum of the school they originally enrolled in should be allowed to switch tracks without being held back a grade.
High School Guide: Admissions, reviews, and advice in Students & Teens ·
Rachel Jones8 said:Some kids just need time to adjust to a new system in middle school. It’s not always about being lazy or slow; they're going from having one teacher and a few subjects to juggling a bunch of different teachers and new classes all at once.
I don't think grading fifth graders is the move.
And if sixth grade doesn't count either, then seventh and eighth are fine, but we really need to find a way to make grading more realistic so everyone isn't getting straight A's.
Along with grades, maybe a standardized test would help bring those "perfect" scores back down to earth?
Being able to apply online and pick multiple schools is definitely a plus.
Getting rid of those massive extra credit points is also a good call—it gives students who are "just" excellent a fair shot.
Giving points for competitions in subjects directly related to the school they're applying to seems fair... as does direct admission for kids showing truly exceptional talent.

I've already shared my thoughts on a mini-standardized test. I would actually agree with you and the others advocating for it, provided the child had the chance to take it four times—much like college students can—with special accommodations available for unique circumstances, where the highest score is the one that counts.
These exams should cover all core subjects through both oral and written formats, administered by a multi-member committee consisting of teachers from the student's current school, educators from other local elementary and high schools, and appointees designated by the U.S. Department of Education. They should encompass the entire middle school curriculum alongside tests designed to measure specific functional skills and competencies for each subject.

Furthermore, all teachers who prepared their students for these exams during their tenure with a graduating class could be placed into different pay scales (based on existing metrics like seniority, mentor status, or specialist designation) according to the success of their students. If a teacher only led a specific eighth-grade class for a single year, their pay scale would be determined by that year combined with the exam results from previous generations they taught.

A similar compensation structure could potentially be devised for elementary school teachers, though perhaps based on two generations of students, given that some classes simply may not be capable of achieving top-tier results regardless of instruction.
With a solid program and clear parameters, this could be resolved without any real issue.

If a mini-standardized test proves too costly, then external evaluations—state testing that includes both oral and written components, along with unannounced assessments of functional abilities and skills—could serve as an effective way to monitor teacher performance and grading objectivity from first grade all the way through eighth.
High School Guide: Admissions, reviews, and advice in Students & Teens ·
Nicholas King said:But I have to wonder—why shouldn't these middle school teachers simply do their jobs properly and refuse to cave to that kind of pressure in the first place?

Because the entire system of external standardized testing seems to have collapsed, leaving the teachers who actually maintain high standards feeling adrift; they realize that in many schools, grades are handed out like candy, and fearing their own students will be unfairly disadvantaged, they succumb to this trend of grade inflation. If we had consistent standardized assessment throughout all middle school grades—a mechanism designed to audit the quality of instruction rather than just the performance of the pupils—then every educator would truly be held accountable for the marks they assign.
That would actually solve the admissions crisis: implementing objective grading throughout the entire educational journey, rather than relying on one high-stakes final exam where a child's entire future hangs in the balance. It is an impossible burden for a fourteen or fifteen-year-old to carry; the stress levels are astronomical, and at that age, there is no such thing as a "gap year," especially when a child might simply be under the weather or feeling unwell on the day of the test.

(What I’m describing is internal pressure—the teacher doesn't want their student to fall behind peers from other districts. Then there is the "top-down" pressure, whether that authority originates within the school administration or from the community at large. And let's not forget the darker side of parental interference: threats, slander, extortion, physical intimidation, property damage, or even threats against the family itself.)

The most nonsensical approach to admissions I have ever witnessed was the heavy weighting placed on just three core subjects—English, math, and a foreign language—applied both at the end of middle school and during high school graduation exams. Why on earth should these three specific areas be the ultimate gatekeepers for everyone? Especially for graduating seniors. Why should a future historian or someone specializing in linguistics be judged by a math score, or a prospective engineer be tested on literary analysis?
And why does the system treat biology, art, or music as secondary to English when looking at high school admissions?

They are attempting to fix this slightly by shifting toward using a GPA calculated to two decimal places instead of a general success metric, but the absurdity remains: those same three subjects still dominate the equation, while two other arbitrary subjects are left to the discretion of whatever individual school decides to prioritize them.
High School Guide: Admissions, reviews, and advice in Students & Teens ·
Susan James said:I think that’s a fantastic idea!
👍

Just search online for the requirements—you can look up how they handle all four grade levels and how those extra credit points are being phased out... 👍
Did they also scrap that whole silly rule about getting bonus points for perfect conduct?

Yes, they’re getting rid of the conduct points as well. It was an absurd system to begin with.

While everyone is probably thrilled about the convenience of online registration, using fifth-grade grades—and applying them retroactively—could create a massive headache. Since middle schoolers don't take physics or chemistry yet, how exactly are they going to weigh applicants for specialized STEM academies or technical high schools? Will they just rely on biology? Beyond that, lowering the age threshold isn't necessarily a win: if a kid makes a catastrophic mistake at eleven or twelve because they simply lack the maturity to handle it, could that decision potentially derail their entire academic future?
High schoolers who stumble on their SATs or state exams have options; they can retake tests, take a gap year, or try again later... But these younger kids won't have that luxury. Whatever mess they make in the fifth or sixth grade might follow them for the rest of their lives.
High School Guide: Admissions, reviews, and advice in Students & Teens ·
It seems nobody is talking about this latest proposal from the Secretary of Education and the rest of the administration, which makes me wonder if I should even bother starting a thread on it—especially since I don’t have a child directly impacted by these changes right now.
The proposal is headed for debate soon, yet amidst all the chaos currently facing our country, it seems to be slipping through the cracks, barely making a headline.
The Secretary wants to move enrollment entirely online, much like the system they implemented for college students three years ago. On paper, it’s supposed to make life easier for everyone—the kids, the parents, and the high schools themselves.
Under this plan, students can apply for ten different programs across a maximum of five schools. It sounds like a genuine improvement, provided the entire digital infrastructure doesn't collapse under the weight of 50,000 candidates hitting those servers at the exact same moment.
Then there’s the other side of the coin: the overhaul of the grading criteria. They aren't just looking at 7th and 8th-grade marks anymore; they’re pulling in data from 5th and 6th grade too. Previously, it was based on five subjects depending on the school and general GPA, but now they want five subjects plus GPAs calculated down to two decimal places. Furthermore, music and dance school credentials won't grant extra points anymore, and points earned from competitions will be scaled back.
In my view, these shifts could be excellent, provided they aren't applied retroactively. Families and students often develop specific strategies; they calculate their moves carefully. A parent might decide that those extra points from music school are more vital than an average grade in, say, shop class or art, or perhaps they aim for a specialized language academy where a mediocre science grade in 5th grade matters far less than maintaining straight As in history and social studies.
Ultimately, these new regulations will only ramp up the pressure on elementary school teachers. Everyone will be chasing perfect scores in every single subject, which will inevitably lead to even greater grade inflation and a sense of enrollment panic—if not outright hysteria—starting as early as 5th grade.
While the Secretary talks about reducing stress levels by eliminating mid-term grades, he seems to be charging headlong into disaster with an idea that is clearly unprepared or, at the very least, poorly thought out.
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
Karen Richardson3 said:Personally, I have a massive issue with how we approach American English classes—specifically this rigid principle of teaching literary history.
To me, it feels like a total fog, and I honestly can't see a logical reason why it's structured this way, other than the fact that the curriculum is clearly dictated by PhDs specializing in literary history. 😁

Don't get me wrong, studying literary history is definitely valuable. But what about the modern era? How many works by contemporary authors, whether they're American or international, have you actually read or discussed during your English classes?

Isn't it just common sense that books reflecting the world we actually live in right now would be much more relatable and engaging for teenagers?

Why is it that a fifteen-year-old is stuck reading The Iliad, then moves on to The Decameron at sixteen, followed by some Neoclassical drama at seventeen, only to reach senior year at eighteen where they barely even glance at a few mid-20th-century authors because everyone is too busy stressing over SAT prep and graduation?

I've always been a reader—actually, I still am—but most of my required school readings were just an absolute drag.
I would finish them (most of them, anyway), and I could always figure out "what the author was trying to say," which meant I always pulled straight A's in English, but man, those selected books were just brutal.

For kids who don't already love reading, these mandatory lists just reinforce the idea that books are boring things to be avoided at all costs. Meanwhile, the kids who actually enjoy reading know there's a huge, fascinating world of literature outside the school curriculum, so they usually just suck it up and endure it.

Looking at the reading lists proposed by the NPIP for Elementary School, most of the works are contemporary (and if you ask me, many lack any real literary merit). You can find the full list on the Department of Health and Social Welfare website.
For every grade level, there are about thirty suggested books, from which a teacher selects seven to nine depending on the age group, and only three per grade are mandatory.
Furthermore, every teacher has the autonomy to assign readings outside of this list, provided they meet certain criteria—namely, that they align with the students' cognitive abilities, possess literary value, and satisfy fundamental educational goals.
It is also permitted to choose, for example, a book listed for sixth grade for a fifth grader if the teacher deems it appropriate and the students haven't read it yet.
The study of literary history is gradually introduced starting in seventh grade, not through assigned reading, but during regular English classes.
It is true that among the thirty or so non-mandatory books, there are some that aren't entirely age-appropriate (for instance, > Travels isn't exactly a children's novel), but that is precisely why the teacher is there—to select the right books for their specific students.

In my view, the Elementary School list is quite acceptable given the freedom to choose other children's books; it simply falls to the teachers to utilize the flexibility the system provides.
As for High School, however, the list is abysmal, particularly for vocational schools. While students in academic tracks should probably follow the sequence to build a general cultural foundation, I would suggest broader options for everyone else—they should be allowed to read something, even if it's lighter, including works by contemporary authors.
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
Good grief. Looking back through some of these threads, I’m struck by just how much heavy lifting is actually required here—and I don't mean the writing itself, but the fundamental cultivation of a reading habit.

But we aren't talking about the way things are currently handled in our schools.

Every one of us is a unique individual from the moment we're born, yet isn't it true that there exists a core collection of perhaps a hundred books that almost anyone would find captivating if they had the chance during their formative years? If those books were actually selected specifically for the person being recommended, wouldn't it be nearly impossible not to catch the reading bug? And if you pair that right choice with an environment that actually encourages exploration, aren't we all just a few steps closer to meaningful communication on every possible level?

It honestly pains me to think that some of you missed out on the sheer joy and intellectual nourishment that comes from a good book. You can look directly at your parents or your teachers for that; go ahead, hold them accountable for the deprivation they caused. It’s fundamentally the same as someone trying to strip the pleasure out of intimacy or the satisfaction of a great meal by forcing you into a hollow encounter with someone you find repulsive, or making you choke down something you consider absolute garbage, all while demanding that you sit there and provide a detailed, clinical description of the experience...
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
Nancy Reyes85 said:I am uncertain if I am addressing the correct forum for this inquiry. What are the legal implications when a child is chronically absent from school, yet the parents haven't received any formal notifications from the elementary school administration? Does the school face any accountability or sanctions for failing to communicate these issues earlier? I recognize there is a degree of parental responsibility here for missing parent-teacher conferences—in this case, the mother has been dealing with significant health issues and the father lives out of state—but the timing of the communication feels egregious. The teacher only reached out a few days ago to mention that the student has been skipping classes periodically since the first month of the school year. Now, with the academic year drawing to a close, the child is facing retention. Are there specific federal or state education laws governing this type of oversight? If anyone could provide a link to relevant statutes, it would be immensely helpful.

In this particular situation, the child is the one suffering, and they are the ones who truly need support. Once the school realizes a child isn't being properly looked after, shouldn't they be reaching out to the Department of Social Services? If it wasn't possible to detect that the child was lacking adequate parental care—perhaps because the child was still mostly showing up to class and there were no other glaring red flags of neglect, especially since many parents simply don't show up to parent-teacher conferences—then the school might not have been able to act, nor should they have been expected to.

The child does not necessarily have to fail the grade. They may be eligible to take remedial exams if there is medical documentation justifying the absences. Keep in mind that an excused absence can also be of a psychological nature. What is required is to visit a primary care physician, speak honestly about the circumstances, request a written opinion, and then submit a formal petition to the Board of Education. Following that, it might be wise to go to the school in person to explain everything to the principal or the school counselor.

I don't know what your relationship is with the child, but please advocate for them—just try not to do it by pointing fingers at others for their current state. Perhaps there isn't a single culprit here, but rather just a series of unfortunate circumstances that collided at once.
First Communion gift ideas? in Students & Teens ·
I decided to pick up a book on various art techniques and creative materials for my niece, thinking she might enjoy having a guide to experiment with. She was absolutely thrilled with the gift. Fast forward a year later, and she’s still going strong, constantly testing out all those different methods and supplies from the book.
What should I get for a godparent gift at a Baptism? in Students & Teens ·
feralmoose32 said:Just imagine being fifteen years old in this digital age and receiving a giant encyclopedia...
Oh my god...

I can see it now. The sour expression, the disbelief, the aimless flipping through pages just hoping to find some loose change tucked inside... But regardless of how that kid reacts, I wouldn't participate in dulling their intellect, whether they appreciated it or not. If encyclopedias were sold with premium branding on the cover, they’d certainly be a coveted gift. An encyclopedia from a flea market—$33, from Name—maybe 200, from Benetton—300, and the prices would just keep climbing... And if it were a special edition tailored for blue-eyed kids standing between 5'3" and 5'5", you could probably tack on another 20% to the price tag...

Besides, do you really believe everything worth knowing is available online? A general encyclopedia was merely a small irony—a testament to the idea that a physical book is something truly worth owning for anyone with half a brain. And if they haven't reached that level yet, well, I can at least wish it for them.

And just imagine having a fifteen-year-old whose highest ambition in life is to get some mindless gadget (some "i-something") that will be obsolete before they even fully understand how it works, leaving them to cycle through three more identical devices before they even finish high school.
I know a girl who spent 62 hours on her phone in just one month (with a bill totaling $400)! Buying a smartphone or any similar device for someone like that is essentially telling them
that this behavior is perfectly acceptable...
What should I get for a godparent gift at a Baptism? in Students & Teens ·
I once bought a Samsonite suitcase for one person, fueled by nothing but the dream of seeing the world; I bought a piece of graphic art for another, which now hangs on her parents' wall until she can claim it for herself; and I even covered a trip to Rome for two, where she got to travel alongside her mother.
The ideas just keep coming:
- A complete aquarium setup, fish and all the gear included
- Foreign language immersion courses
- A massive encyclopedia or perhaps a classic anthology of poetry...
- A season pass to the local theater
- Skydiving, paired with a commemorative photo book
- A hot air balloon ride, also with a keepsake book
- A high-quality camera
- A bicycle
- A dog (provided the parents actually agree to it)
- Speed reading workshops
- A musical instrument.
There is plenty more where that came from.
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
I appreciate all the well-meaning advice everyone has shared. Tomorrow, I’ll take whatever steps I need to take. I know for certain that I won't be filing a report with either the police or the local childcare center... just saying.
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
I’m looking for some perspective on a situation that’s been weighing on me. About a week ago, two students came to me at school to complain that another student has been relentlessly targeting them with the most vile insults for quite some time now. As I looked into it, I discovered they weren't isolated cases; there are at least ten other students, regardless of gender, who have been enduring this same pattern of behavior from her on a daily basis—something I had no idea about until now.
I sat the student down and let her know that I had heard reports from several peers regarding her actions, even quoting specific things she had said during my conversations with others. I informed her that I intended to meet with her parents and warned her that if she tried to act out further or attempt any kind of retaliation against those who spoke up, she would be facing an official disciplinary summons from the administration.
Not long after, the girl's father called my personal cell phone around 10:00 PM. He was clearly agitated, claiming his child was being unfairly targeted and stating that he wouldn't tolerate this, going so far as to threaten my very livelihood.
Despite his unprofessional tone and the incredibly inappropriate hour of the call, I remained calm and told him that he should discuss the matter with his daughter first. I asked him to let me know what conclusions they reached, suggesting that if the family could address her behavior appropriately at home, formal school intervention might not even be necessary.
It has been a week since that conversation, and while the parents haven't shown up yet, they did reach out to say they would be coming in next week...
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
At my school, we have 24 different classrooms running during a single shift, which means someone has to keep an eye on all 24 rooms, four floors of hallways, the cafeteria, the restrooms, the outdoor courtyard where students hang out during breaks, and both main entrances at opposite ends of the building—just to make sure no one wanders off or uninvited guests slip in—not to mention the library, specialized labs, and various other spaces.
The number of teachers we have is roughly equal to the number of classrooms, yet the sheer amount of square footage we have to cover is vastly greater... Even if every single one of us were on duty at the exact same time, it still wouldn't be enough. While supervision is necessary, can we really pretend that just having more eyes in the halls is a solution to bullying?
When you look at abuse, or even physical fights, there are three distinct roles involved: the victim, who needs protection and empowerment; the aggressor, who requires intervention and support just as much as the victim does; and the bystanders—the rest of the student body—who also need guidance so they don't just stand there with their arms crossed while one bully or a small group harasses or beats up a peer. Preventing violence within a school requires long-term, systemic work. Having teachers act like police officers patrolling the halls isn't an effective measure, especially if the entire community hasn't woken up and "armed" itself with actual prevention strategies. And then there is the vital work of engaging with parents: teaching them how to empower their child to avoid being a target, how to raise them so they don't become the aggressor, and how to prepare them for those moments when they find themselves standing by as a bystander.
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
Jessica Howard5 said:I’ve noticed something else, and I know it’s true because I have three kids and all three of them bring it up. I remember seeing it during my own school years, too. There are teachers out there who just don't play fair when it comes to grading. You've got some instructors who are incredibly strict and rigid with certain students, yet they have a handful of little favorites they constantly let slide—acting like nobody notices. What’s the reality from your side? Parents, what have you seen? And teachers, be honest: do you actually have those "golden children" you're willing to forgive everything for, while punishing someone else for the exact same mistake?

I honestly can't fathom why you feel like I'm taking a swipe at you when I haven't even acknowledged your post once, yet here you are, relentlessly demanding a response. Since you seem so desperate for some kind of closure, fine—here is your direct answer.

I’ve already mentioned that I am a mother to two daughters—one of whom is now twenty and has already navigated the entire gauntlet of elementary and high school—so I certainly have some skin in the game when it comes to parenting experience. Throughout her education, she encountered a spectrum of teachers, ranging from the truly inspiring to the downright problematic. There were moments when I found their teaching methods or their general demeanor toward students to be questionable, though those instances were usually the exception rather than the rule. For the most part, I didn't make a scene over the small stuff; I figured letting her navigate those minor frictions was just part of preparing her for the real world. That said, if things crossed a certain line, I wasn't afraid to show up at the school and speak my mind about what was unacceptable. For instance, I once had to confront a specific teacher in the upper grades because she kept making jokes at the expense of my daughter’s speech patterns. It was clearly taking a toll on her self-esteem, so I made it very clear: if it happened again, I wouldn't be coming back to talk to her—I would be escalating the matter to the school board or the district administration instead. After that conversation, the behavior stopped immediately. There were other times, too. I have stepped in to protect my child whenever I witnessed cruelty or blatant neglect, and I certainly wasn't winning any "Parent of the Year" awards during those confrontations. But I always maintained a boundary: I intervened when it came to how my child was being treated as a human being, yet I never once meddled in the actual academic instruction. Most educators do their jobs well enough, and I never saw any reason to go in there complaining that a teacher didn't particularly "like" my child. That isn't their job, after all, is it?

If things had become truly unbearable—if this misery had dragged on indefinitely—I think I would have known exactly how to act. There are systems in place for a reason, after all, and I certainly wouldn't have just sat idly by, leaving her at the mercy of some fool who might strip away her sense of self, shatter her confidence, or otherwise derail her path toward a healthy, normal life. Why would anyone leave such a delicate process to chance?

In my school, there are certain teachers who simply don’t carry themselves with the dignity their profession demands, though they are certainly in the minority. It isn't that they are doing anything illegal; they follow the lesson plans, they check the boxes, and many of the students in their classrooms walk away with excellent grades. But they lack that spark—that deep-seated commitment where you feel they actually live and breathe their calling. Is it any wonder I feel a sense of pity for the kids who miss out on the transformative experience provided by those truly exceptional educators? If we really wanted to fix this, the change would have to start at the university level during the admissions process. Imagine if part of the entrance exam included a rigorous psychological evaluation and a true test of motivation specifically designed for prospective teachers. By the time a teacher is actually being hired, the opportunity has already passed us by; under current labor laws, schools aren't even permitted to run those kinds of personality tests on candidates. Instead, we’re often left buying a pig in a poke, relying on an initial assessment that tells us very little about what lies beneath the surface.

The constant state of being overwhelmed, coupled with that pervasive sense of being undervalued, doesn't exactly foster an environment where teachers can thrive, does it? And let’s not even get started on the lack of any meaningful monthly incentives for those who consistently go above and beyond their basic job descriptions. How can anyone be expected to maintain excellence when the system offers nothing but more work and zero recognition?

When it comes to the affection we feel toward our students, I suppose I have to admit that we teachers are only human. We aren’t machines; some kids just strike a chord with us, while others simply don't. There are those students I truly love—the ones I genuinely mourn when they graduate middle school and move on to high school, the ones whose faces I always look forward to seeing in my classroom. Then, there are the difficult ones, the exhausting ones who haunt my thoughts at night because I feel this crushing weight of being unable to help them become better people. They are the ones who look me in the eye and tell me, quite bluntly, that the values I'm trying to instill in them are nothing more than nonsense. Yet, in a way that is perhaps difficult to swallow, both groups receive the same level of attention. They get the same quality of instruction and the same fair assessments. In fact, if I am being completely honest—something I hate to admit—those who haven't won my heart often end up with slightly higher grades. Why? Because I know I cannot penalize them simply because they were unlucky enough to be raised by parents who instilled in them nothing but arrogance, selfishness, or that hollow, unearned sense of self-importance. Is it fair to hold a child accountable for the flaws of their upbringing? I don't think so.

She will never catch that certain spark in her eyes, no matter how hard she tries, because my "troublemakers"—the ones who walk away with more reprimands and lower grades than their peers—always seem to sense, whether I intend them to or not, that everything I do comes from a place of genuine care.

Yet, I pour just as much effort into every single child, particularly when one finds themselves in any kind of trouble. At the end of the day, a child is just a child.

I find myself most fiercely protective of those who are the smallest, the weakest, the most marginalized, the most impoverished, or those with the greatest challenges and the most helpless parents. I make no apologies for that.

A parent views their child through a specific lens—the very lens through which they’ve instilled their own values. If a child learns at home that it's perfectly fine to call someone a "stupid New Yorker" or use some other slur against a certain group, and then receives a verbal warning for it at school, that parent will inevitably interpret the situation as "the teacher doesn't like my kid." On the other hand, another parent might be absolutely revolted by their child's behavior and will actually work to correct that attitude.

If a father constantly interrupts his mother, or if a son interrupts a teacher for the twentieth time only to be told it won't be tolerated, that father might question why the teacher is being so harsh with his boy. But if that father is someone who truly respects others, once the reprimand is given, he will go home and actually practice active listening with his son, working on patience and basic manners.