Honestly, I don't know anything about Ugraya... and I really don't want to offend anyone—maybe he actually is a true yogi, who knows? All I know is that she turned me down, and that’s that...
If I ever actually meet him in person, then I'll have a better idea of what's what—right now, it's all just hearsay😉
If anyone here has actually been to one of his sessions, please share your experience—I'm genuinely curious😉
But honestly, being in her presence just didn't sit right with me. You can just feel someone's energy—it’s a real thing—and I just didn't expect that kind of vibe from a yogi. It felt more like something you'd pick up from people into the occult or magic. At least, that's just my take. And get this—after a few years, when I mentioned I'd received a mantra from ....... she practically lost it! She goes, "You could have been a student of Babaji, yet you chose to follow that ...."
So yeah, thanks but no thanks... goodbye.
........ I haven't been initiated by Stanislav (thank God), but I was initiated by an Indian Swami, so I definitely know my way around this stuff.
I just finished up my training with him. Honestly, some texts I got from one of his students totally blew me away—but then I realized he basically just cherry-picked the best parts of everything from Babaji to Muktananda and stuffed them into his own little manuals. To be blunt, the whole vibe from that woman was just way too paranoid for me 🤣
Anyway, they probably have a blast over there... if I were to start something similar, it’d likely be a massive hit, but that's just not how you do things 😉 I mean, if someone just wants a hobby, fine—but if you're looking for a real guru who can actually guide you toward moksha? I'm not so sure about this guy...
Their website is pretty slick, though tantrički Kriya Yoga
Back when I was studying under Stanislav, there was this guy Kenan who used to hang out with the group—he wasn't even a student, just a close friend of his. He was this massive guy, really tall and heavy-set, with long hair and long nails... honestly looked like some kind of giant straight out of a fantasy novel. He was about four years older than me—I was 21 then, he was 25. He acted like he was this ultimate spiritual master, maybe even enlightened or psychic. Man, he had an incredible way of talking people into things. While we were all traveling through Germany together—it was just the usual crew: Stanislav, his girlfriend, Kenan, and me—Kenan finally decided to give me the real scoop on Stanislav. Once he told me what was actually going on, it hit me: Stanislav wasn't the authentic teacher he claimed to be at all. He wasn't even qualified to perform most of the initiations he was handing out, and all those stories about his "psychic visions"? Total lies. Kenan told me that Stanislav admitted to making the whole thing up. The guy basically just read a ton of spiritual books, mashed them into this weird personal cocktail, and decided to pitch it to a bunch of naive 20-year-olds as absolute truth. I guess his ego just needed a crowd of students hanging on his every word. After that trip, I was done—I cut Stanislav out of my life, both mentally and spiritually, and never went back.
This isn't progress—it's actually a step backward. There’s a massive difference between being empathetic and letting everyone else throw you completely off your game. I know people who honestly believe this hypersensitivity is some kind of spiritual achievement, but if you ask me, it's just nonsense. Spiritual practice should make you stronger, not leave you so fragile that every little thing knocks you out of balance 😉 ... personally, I think it’s just a sign of low energy levels where your tolerance threshold has basically hit zero.
If you're actually interested—my advice? Start by managing your sexual energy—maybe try living celibate for a bit until your levels stabilize—and get plenty of pranayama done in the fresh air. Also, stay solo for a while so people don't drain you dry before you've fully recovered. 😉 🧐
Jesse Wright24 said:Look, don't be so hard on yourself for being cynical about stupidity. Honestly, thinking too much about it might just be bad for your health...
Jesse Wright24 said:I have no idea where you got the notion that I was expecting an admission. It didn't even cross my mind that anyone would concede anything, and even if I had been hoping for it, I fail to see what there is to be ashamed of...
It's the exact same thing. It’s like that old saying about two people with their heads stuck in a gutter—you both have your heads in the gutter, but one of you is in a slightly better position than the other... if you can manage to overlook the fact that your head is in the gutter to begin with, then all the better...😁
Dice popped up and told me—man, Jesse Wright24 is totally expecting stuff🤣 😵 😉
Honestly, you should be more worried about wasting your time reading nonsense on this forum instead of finding something better to do😁
Jesse Wright24 said:Finally, someone who actually admits when they are talking nonsense, even if they are having a grand old time doing it. You have my utmost respect...
So you're basically saying you've been WAITING for someone to just own up to it this whole time? 🙂
Douglas Brown4 said:Well, I don't— 😳 that's why I say people just breeze past Western philosophers and their whole interpretation thing 🤣 ... I want to hear what *you* think—forget about them. 😉
I have expectations, but maybe not desperate ones. Who else is just sitting around waiting for this to actually happen?😁
then the terminology failed... when I say "the present," I mean pure existence, outside of time and space 😉
Terminology might fail, but there is such a thing as precise description. We aren't in New York City! Terminology might fail, but there is such a thing as precise description. We aren't in New York City! Terminology might fail, but there is such a thing as precise description. We aren't in New York City! Well, I don't— 😳 that's why I say people just breeze past Western philosophers and their whole interpretation thing 🤣 ... I want to hear what *you* think—forget about them. 😉
Douglas Brown4 said:I’m just adding my two cents regarding how Westerners tend to interpret Eastern philosophy.
It’s foolish, really. Inspiration always seems to strike right when you finally find some peace and become truly present in the moment.
I find that inspiration hits me best when I’m hovering above the present moment. It’s that feeling of being detached—sort of stepping outside of both space and time.
That's just impossible... there is only the present moment, after all. That part should be easy enough to grasp. I guess your line of reasoning suggests you're identifying yourself too closely with the Mana, since you claim "it lives" across all three time periods.
That’s right. I agree. The present is nothing more than an illusion; I guess it only truly exists within a specific point in time.
You think you can figure out my style after just a few sentences? Maybe. I guess. 😵
No.
Honestly, don't even bother... you can only really interpret anything if you're actually practicing it and looking inward—anything else is just useless intellectual gymnastics that leads people astray...
Douglas Brown4 said:I’m just adding my two cents regarding how Westerners tend to interpret Eastern philosophy.
It’s foolish, really. Inspiration always seems to strike right when you finally find some peace and become truly present in the moment.
I find that inspiration hits me best when I’m hovering above the present moment. It’s that feeling of being detached—sort of stepping outside of both space and time.
That's just impossible... there is only the present moment, after all. That part should be easy enough to grasp. I guess your line of reasoning suggests you're identifying yourself too closely with the Mana, since you claim "it lives" across all three time periods.
That’s right. I agree. The present is nothing more than an illusion; I guess it only truly exists within a specific point in time.
You think you can figure out my style after just a few sentences? Maybe. I guess. 😵
No.
That’s where language fails us... because when I say "the present," I mean pure existence—totally outside of time and space.😉
Douglas Brown4 said:Every action leads to a result, though I guess it isn't always the one you actually wanted. I’m much like boldsailor2. I don't feel any need to eliminate my desires, nor do I think I need to leave this world behind to find some kind of release. I have no intention of running away from suffering, either. It’s just that, I guess, I don't want that, and maybe I don't need it.
Quincy:
If we handle everything correctly from the start, I guess our focus should stay strictly on the work itself. We shouldn't really worry about the end result. People seem to spend so much time dwelling on the past or chasing things they haven't achieved yet. In doing that, they lose the most important thing—the present.
If everything worked exactly the way you claim it should, I guess people wouldn't bother taking photos, historians wouldn't exist, and there wouldn't be any written documents left to find. Maybe. Kudos to you, but I think I’d rather live in all three timelines at once. The present just feels far too small compared to everything that has happened and everything yet to come, I guess.
Quincy:
Just work hard, give it everything you've got, and try not to get hung up on the outcome. I guess that's really the whole point of Karma Yoga. 🙂
I don't really do yoga that way, nor do I particularly want to.
You really think I'm that simple—? "Getting rid of desire"... that’s just impossible. You have to learn how to channel it instead—and stop obsessing over the end result.
"You need to get out of here"... that's just wrong—the location doesn't actually matter at all.
"You’ve gotta let go"... but that "part" is already free—it’s just grasping—and you shouldn't be identifying with the "unfree" side—the ego, the mental modifications and all that.
"I don't even want to escape the suffering." ... me neither—I just keep wondering who exactly is doing the suffering, like, is it really ME or just some other part of me?
Douglas Brown4 said:Every action leads to a result, though I guess it isn't always the one you actually wanted. I’m much like boldsailor2. I don't feel any need to eliminate my desires, nor do I think I need to leave this world behind to find some kind of release. I have no intention of running away from suffering, either. It’s just that, I guess, I don't want that, and maybe I don't need it.
Quincy:
If we handle everything correctly from the start, I guess our focus should stay strictly on the work itself. We shouldn't really worry about the end result. People seem to spend so much time dwelling on the past or chasing things they haven't achieved yet. In doing that, they lose the most important thing—the present.
If everything worked exactly the way you claim it should, I guess people wouldn't bother taking photos, historians wouldn't exist, and there wouldn't be any written documents left to find. Maybe. Kudos to you, but I think I’d rather live in all three timelines at once. The present just feels far too small compared to everything that has happened and everything yet to come, I guess.
Quincy:
Just work hard, give it everything you've got, and try not to get hung up on the outcome. I guess that's really the whole point of Karma Yoga. 🙂
I don't really do yoga that way, nor do I particularly want to.
It’s honestly silly—inspiration always seems to hit right when you're finally alone with your own thoughts and actually present in the moment...
Douglas Brown4 said:Every action leads to a result, though I guess it isn't always the one you actually wanted. I’m much like boldsailor2. I don't feel any need to eliminate my desires, nor do I think I need to leave this world behind to find some kind of release. I have no intention of running away from suffering, either. It’s just that, I guess, I don't want that, and maybe I don't need it.
Quincy:
If we handle everything correctly from the start, I guess our focus should stay strictly on the work itself. We shouldn't really worry about the end result. People seem to spend so much time dwelling on the past or chasing things they haven't achieved yet. In doing that, they lose the most important thing—the present.
If everything worked exactly the way you claim it should, I guess people wouldn't bother taking photos, historians wouldn't exist, and there wouldn't be any written documents left to find. Maybe. Kudos to you, but I think I’d rather live in all three timelines at once. The present just feels far too small compared to everything that has happened and everything yet to come, I guess.
Quincy:
Just work hard, give it everything you've got, and try not to get hung up on the outcome. I guess that's really the whole point of Karma Yoga. 🙂
I don't really do yoga that way, nor do I particularly want to.
That’s just impossible... I mean, there's only the present moment—that's pretty easy to wrap your head around. Your logic makes it sound like you're identifying too much with the ego—you know, the "um"—since you think it "lives" through all three time periods.
Douglas Brown4 said:Every action leads to a result, though I guess it isn't always the one you actually wanted. I’m much like boldsailor2. I don't feel any need to eliminate my desires, nor do I think I need to leave this world behind to find some kind of release. I have no intention of running away from suffering, either. It’s just that, I guess, I don't want that, and maybe I don't need it.
Quincy:
If we handle everything correctly from the start, I guess our focus should stay strictly on the work itself. We shouldn't really worry about the end result. People seem to spend so much time dwelling on the past or chasing things they haven't achieved yet. In doing that, they lose the most important thing—the present.
If everything worked exactly the way you claim it should, I guess people wouldn't bother taking photos, historians wouldn't exist, and there wouldn't be any written documents left to find. Maybe. Kudos to you, but I think I’d rather live in all three timelines at once. The present just feels far too small compared to everything that has happened and everything yet to come, I guess.
Quincy:
Just work hard, give it everything you've got, and try not to get hung up on the outcome. I guess that's really the whole point of Karma Yoga. 🙂
I don't really do yoga that way, nor do I particularly want to.
You really think you can figure out my whole vibe after just a few sentences—? 😵