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Spirituality and Feminism in Spirituality ·
dustyskipper3 said:I suppose when you say a "male" world, you mean a sphere of power dominated by attitudes of opposition and dominance, whereas a "female" world would be characterized by submission and resignation. Even though Western Christianity established submission as its fundamental stance, historically—following the Council of Nicaea—it functioned through dominance and opposition. In the last 300 years, it has leaned mostly toward opposition, which brings it closer to Judaism and Freemasonry, both of which foster an oppositional stance. Nazism was essentially a failed attempt to force Christianity and the West back into a purely dominant posture. On the other hand, Islam has historically occupied both dominant and oppositional roles, though today the dominance seems more pronounced; meanwhile, Eastern religions like Buddhism and Hinduism tend to develop a resigned attitude, which I guess is necessary for controlling large, impoverished masses. Secularization and the modernization of society just seem to strengthen this oppositional drive, so secular feminism remains stuck within that same loop, unable to trigger a true paradigm shift. It stays stuck on that line of thinking regarding power versus powerlessness, rulers versus slaves, and so on. Since resignation as a stance can't really bring about any renewal, I assume that when you talk about liberating the world through feminine values, you see it as a restoration of a submissive stance—something calling upon the "eternal feminine" within us all, much like how Taoists perceive it, but perhaps without too much dualistic hair-splitting between yang and yin. Taoism really emphasized the importance of a spirituality where a man develops his inner feminine qualities to become more complete. Since everyone carries both "masculine" and "feminine" traits, maybe a new spirituality would assume gender equality where everyone develops their inner submissiveness. This could liberate a civilization currently mired in dominance and opposition. It would lead to a total reversal in thinking where letting go of power and refusing to exploit others becomes desirable, encouraging altruism to such an extent that exploiting anyone would be viewed as a crime. The evolution of human consciousness would likely lead to biological evolution too, where an altruistic human (perhaps *homo sapiens altruisticus*) non-violently displaces—or if I may say, "eradicates," since that is an old-fashioned 😁 paradigm—the old violent and egoistic *homo sapiens*. This would probably happen through a combination of natural talents (like intuition or higher intelligence) and advanced technology, via "emergence" and networked IT systems using a bottom-up principle rather than top-down planning and enforcement. That would be some kind of "brave new world" where there are no wars or crimes, and perhaps even no sex or reproduction as we know it today (sex might mostly be tantric, maybe even without physical contact or perhaps via computer terminals, while reproduction would happen in vitro and in incubators, just so women aren't used as mere biological machines). But then again, people (including women) who have been satiated by their own prosperity following centuries of technological progress without war would probably end up keeping some examples of the former human species—mostly men, I guess—in natural island or "rural Midwest" preserves, just so they could occasionally experience the pleasure of primal, raw passions and physical sex, where unrefined opposition and dominance still prevail.😲🤣

I suppose a man, given his current spiritual state—which seems so heavily built upon this rigid, sharp dualism—might find himself unable to truly break free from isolation. In fact, I suspect his sense of being alone might even deepen. It feels like he’ll eventually end up in a sort of reservation, much like how Native Americans were moved, though perhaps more as a conscious choice within a liberated society. It would be a place where the physical differences between the sexes no longer carry the oppressive, highly ideological weight they seem to hold today.


I suppose I’m referring to that inertia when people question gender equality—where men don't even bother asking which sex they are actually being equal to. It serves such a dominant purpose, I guess. Like a heavy grimace holding the whole world together. He doesn't even feel the loneliness; he's just convinced this is how things have to be for men.
Maybe I mean the way knowledge was approached by excluding women entirely. This so-called emancipated woman just imitates the man, who, in turn, identifies with dominance, much like an actor playing a lead role.
A flock lacks consciousness; it only has the authority that drives it. Perhaps it wouldn't be too much trouble to question all authorities. Yet, people stubbornly follow them in their thoughts, their stances, and what they expect from them.
Women possess a masculine nature, and men, a feminine one. We both act for the sake of self-realization, I suppose.
The problem with dominance lies in the distortion of a forced masculine nature. A man recognizes the goal; he is the active force of change. A woman is passive—she receives the impulse and recognizes the space and time.
Being passive means receiving the abstract, the spirit—that space we observe as receivers of ideas. And while that exists in everyone, in the duality of the sexes, it appears first in women. A woman gives birth to change; she recognizes the space where new things are created. Her approach to ideas and knowledge should therefore remain undisturbed by how knowledge organizes life, both universally and humanly. No social structure for thousands of years has managed to ground the idea of the human and ennoble its form, simply because women weren't involved.
All these different structures are just attempts to ground one single idea: the idea of free and equal individuals. Men lose themselves trying to map that idea onto society. They pick winners and losers based on mere practicality. He knows the goal and the will behind the idea, but struggles to force that goal into whatever form is currently at hand.
When it comes to liberation, I think the story of Hansel and Gretel is enough. If only we could figure out who the wicked witch is, tempting us with cookies.
The fire should be clear from the start.
Even though Gretel is enslaved without bars, the moment the fire illuminates the witch, she rushes to help Hansel.
And then society changes.
Instead of a passive state—one that merely receives—we won't have something that just takes orders. And instead of an active state—one that gives—there won't be "the one expressing a raw personality just to avoid being devoured."
Finally, the analyses that are currently suffocating the world might find room for synthesis.
And most importantly, if it were easy to see what binds us, we wouldn't be bound.
The knot is a loop made of our own convictions. One of them is the belief that we are tied.
Spirituality and Feminism in Spirituality ·
neonscout5 said:Larry Wilson5,

When we're born, we don't actually know our gender—people just tell us. So, those told they're men usually look to their father, grandfather, or an uncle to build a blueprint of "what it means to be a man." They mirror his behavior to figure out their own duties. That’s how these archetypes get baked in: the provider, the protector, the rock...

For women, the mother is typically the model for "what it means to be a woman." If a girl grows up seeing her father hit her mother, and her mother just takes it with her head bowed, that little girl often learns that men are allowed to act that way, while women are destined to be passive—just there to clean, scrub, and iron...

Just like we learn these gender roles from our parents, we learn everything else: good vs. evil, love vs. hate, highs and lows, colors, language, objects, beliefs... all of it. We call this socialization, built upon the foundations of civilization. As a result, we've all essentially trapped our consciousness in the same spot—a state of total ignorance.

The truth is actually the exact opposite. You know it yourself. Anyone with enough willpower can realize it, provided they don't rely on some guru.

I suppose you didn't quite catch my point. What I wrote refers to raw man and woman. Their energetic structures aren't identical. Social descriptions are irrelevant to that. As individuals, we aren't the same by nature—every person is unique and irreplaceable—but we can all achieve whatever aligns with human consciousness. The approach is just different, I guess.
And honestly, when you wake up in the morning, there is that first moment where you exist without any identity at all. After that, it depends on who is in the room and things like that. Once we learn to act in silence, outside of labels, we start to understand our own way of acting and approaching knowledge—a nature that doesn't require a name to be expressed.
Our roles in evolution differ, but individual fulfillment reaches the same totality.
The combinations of plus and minus define two paths: the possibility of complete independent existence and the awakening of total consciousness, while simultaneously joining together for the sake of, as I said, the evolution of form. That is the human condition; the male pole is a rarity in the universe. To allow for variety in creation, we have two poles. And we have individual, distinct consciousness.
Spirituality and Feminism in Spirituality ·
neonscout5 said:Where does this whole concept of gender even come from? What does it actually mean to be female or male?

Perhaps it’s just physical differences. Or maybe it's because one can give birth. Everything born into humanity—not just a life, but a body—carries that.
The other being carries the blueprint for change, for becoming something new.

As individuals, I guess we aren't really male or female when it comes to achievement.
Success is the same whether you're facing a woman or a man. It's all equal. At the end of the day, beings are just consciousness.
To reach that, everyone should probably embrace the duality within—like the sun and the moon.
And act in alignment with their own total nature.
Use your own strengths rather than trying to use someone else's.
Women might find knowledge easier to access (which is why they don't obsess over it), but setting a goal can be harder.
It works both ways, I suppose. But anyone can master both the knowledge of change and the ability to recognize a goal.
Once they manage to sidestep those social traps and expectations tied to gender.
Physically, people often follow those societal biases in a rather distorted way.
Men are often told their isolation is necessary, perhaps because leaders need to stick together. Instead of finding their own will, they just figure out whose will to follow.

And in doing so, they negotiate everything, even someone else's spirituality.

We see who masters whom, and how, every single day among the happy people of the world.
Spirituality and Feminism in Spirituality ·
dustyskipper3 said:Even though we talk about post-feminism today, patting ourselves on the back because we supposedly live in a society where genders are equal, I guess many vital questions remain unresolved. For instance, introducing a female substitute for the male God—some kind of goddess, a Diana who hunts alone and such—it feels like it just deepens the existing dualism. These newer pagan movements or similar faiths that promote matriarchy and a dominant image of women are often perceived as "the other" compared to the religious mainstream, which, well, remains patriarchal. There is also the issue inherent in language itself; as Master John once noted, language is necessarily dualistic because, I suppose, "no one has invented a non-dualistic language yet," so even within our speech, the feminine is understood as the "other." Perhaps a new feminist spirituality should move away from symbolic language entirely as a means of communication and instead utilize other mediums to convey spiritual truth, like music, for example. It is interesting to note that even Chinese and Japanese Zen seemed somewhat averse to women, which is why we have so few female Zen masters or nuns. Even though Zen, in principle, should transcend the male-female dualism, it seems that sexual instinct is often too much of an issue in Zen monastery settings to allow them to be co-ed. There is that famous story about a Zen master who was only accepted into a monastery after she intentionally disfigured her beautiful face—not just to prove the sincerity of her devotion, but perhaps to ensure she wouldn't trigger desire in the other monks. And so we arrive at the fundamental dilemma of feminism, and indeed spirituality—can a beautiful woman truly be a feminist or a nun? Does it even make sense, given that, from birth, the earthly gates of admiration from the entire male population are essentially open to her? Does it make sense, despite everything?

Lately, we see Angelina Jolie stepping into the role of a human rights advocate fighting for abused children, and I suppose Nives Celsius has started following somewhat in those footsteps. But, in my view, it all stays at the level of attracting attention through a beautiful face and body, without much in the way of spiritual substance. On the other hand, it would be difficult to take them seriously in the role of Mother Teresa, who, God rest her soul, was a physically very unattractive woman, a real Yaga, though they might be more easily perceived as a Diana or a goddess of fertility. I wonder, does a woman's physical appearance dictate the type of spirituality she can realize? I suspect feminists would be quite incensed if that were actually true—but maybe it is. 😍

The question is really about a closed-off male world rather than about women. Men are trapped, and the real question is what they are equal to. You talk about a free woman and her approach to the spirit, but you wrap it all in a form that doesn't resonate with women. Just as it doesn't for men.
The approach to the spiritual unfolds differently in women and men.
Men require certain spiritual techniques that women don't, but if we're talking about social progress, those achievements need to be united.
Can a man break free from his isolation?
Jonathan Brooks8 said:There isn't just one singular "moral" or "immoral"—there isn't one monolithic code. Instead, there are multiple, vastly different codes existing in parallel. They are all products of their historical context because even right now, various eras are flowing through different societies simultaneously. These spheres collide and clash in the present moment; for instance, the moral code in Denmark—which permits caricatures of the prophet Muhammad as an expression of individual liberty—clashes directly with the moral code in Iran. In both Denmark and Iran, morality is simply a state of dynamic equilibrium between various interest groups, which fluctuate in power over time...

Throughout history, there is a constant tension, a persistent striving—the unrelenting pressure to pivot from a state of subjugation toward a state of freedom. This pursuit of liberty unfolds across two distinct yet interconnected fronts: first, the struggle for freedom from one's own impulses, and second, the struggle for freedom from the system (society itself).
From a systemic perspective, every new threshold of freedom inevitably creates a previously unknown form of bondage, making it seem as though nothing truly changes—just endless variations on the theme of freedom versus constraint.
On a personal level, individuals draw ideas of liberty from society, yet they remain perpetually occupied with the same fundamental task of inner liberation; eventually, that internal shift "feeds back" into the system as an impulse for societal change.
Ultimately, the goal of the historical human experience is the simultaneous liberation of the individual from both society and the self—a process driven by the sheer necessity of our own nature.

- I guess you're talking about variations rather than morality in a universal sense. Who actually decides the standards? Usually some influential group. What counts in Denmark might be totally different in Iran, which is a point. Maybe moral codes only really hold up where individual identity is recognized. I suppose morality should follow life itself rather than rigid structures. Disrespecting life is just a fact.
planinar;28244900 said:Why do you think we can't protect nature?😉
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The rules of morality are usually just drafted by whichever interest group holds the most sway. I suppose that means one set of ethics will always be vulnerable to another group's agenda. It’s a pattern that repeats throughout history—hiding immorality behind a mask of virtue. It’s quite effective, I guess. But it doesn't align with how life actually works; it follows a cold, calculated logic instead. Might makes right. You might pass a law to protect the forests, only to have someone burn them down just to clear the land for a new shopping mall.
Fact or Fiction? in Philosophy ·
Harmony White;28248688 said:
I suppose I agree that everyone has their own version of the truth, so maybe Ronald Rogers27 is right too.
Jonathan Brooks8;28201450 said:Nothing is truly different, yet everything remains the same; morality evolves, but so does immorality,
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-do you think morality can be fully captured by laws?
Morality should serve life itself. It should follow its own rules. If we can't even protect our environment, people, resources, or the air we breathe, then how much has morality actually progressed? Then there are the judgments. For instance, Naomi Campbell was recently called out. What about Warren Buffett?
Respect them for who they truly are. Only then will they learn to respect themselves. Don't confuse them by attaching strings to your affection. I suppose a child who is bribed or coerced isn't really being loved.
A child's love for their parents is limitless. But if they get nothing but conditional love in return, they stop loving themselves. Just like you.
They can be taught, though maybe only at their own pace. If you throw them off balance, expect what people call "unreasonable" behavior. You should communicate with a child based on needs first—what they need or have—and only then try to connect emotionally.
cosmicfox69 said:So, I guess we’re really talking about how we value human life here.
Do you think our perspective on this has actually evolved at all? Like, back in the days of tribal warfare, life was probably worth next to nothing. People were dying every single day. Honestly, that seems to be how most of human history played out.

But then again, look at us now. We’re constantly surrounded by these "moralists" who make a huge scene whenever they feel someone's rights are being stepped on—take the abortion debate, for example, which, if you ask me, feels just as bad as murder.*

So, has our collective consciousness truly moved forward, or have we just put on a polite set of gloves to hide what we really are?
The daily news footage coming out of places like the Gaza Strip or Sudan doesn't exactly suggest that anything has changed. And don't even get me started on World War II.

What would even be the point of trying to increase the value placed on human life? Of course, valuing life is a pillar of modern democracy—I definitely don't want anyone thinking I'm an apologist for totalitarianism! Just please, try not to tie this too closely to specific political parties.

If you actually believe some kind of evolution has happened, where do you think we're headed? With apocalyptic scenarios looming over everyone's heads lately, it feels like it might be pretty easy to slide right back to life before Chris, or maybe even something even worse.

I’m not sure if there’s already a thread for this, or if I’m using the best terminology, but I think we'll understand each other. This is such a heavy topic that I probably haven't expressed myself perfectly, but I think the core of the problem is pretty clear. I'd love to hear what you guys think.

- Humanistic morality hasn't changed.
It just gets more sophisticated, I guess. It branches out and shifts its shape, but the core stays the same.
A slave once saw a whip and shackles; today, they see credit cards and contracts.
Unless people change their focus—it's over.
Do you believe in angels? in Spirituality ·
Dennis Moore4 said:Yes, Angels are a force.
The real question is defining exactly what kind of force we're dealing with.
I don't think anyone needs to look much further than the sky to find the answer.
Even the Book of Revelation makes it pretty clear what they actually are...

Why make that claim? That Angels are a force? Can you name anything that isn't a force? Or perhaps suggest another force besides them.
Is Lucifer also a force? If so, why aren't we considered conscious beings? Driven by that same force? What about the fallen Angels?
Do you believe in angels? in Spirituality ·
If you could just imagine, even for a second, that you were an Angel, maybe you'd start asking better questions. Different ones. Maybe you'd actually understand things.
Like, why are we even here?
You have wings—two sets, though they aren't made of feathers, and you don't exactly flap them in the astral plane.
There are two energy centers between your shoulder blades where you can feel them.
And then there are the ones along the ribs. Those centers hold the intention to fly. It isn't some leftover evolutionary trait; they need to be awakened right here, on Earth. Again.
LSD might wake those centers up, but it'll probably just burn them out. Fry them.
Do you believe in angels? in Spirituality ·
Paul Jones7;
It’s all just statistics at this point said:

It’s possible. Quite significant, I guess. But then again, it could just be spontaneous or calculated manipulation.
The octopus, a harmless creature rooting for the football team. What a joke. And where are the angels in all this? If you want to remember what it's like to have wings, that's where my interest lies.
Do you believe in angels? in Spirituality ·
If a perfectly ordinary octopus can predict a
football game with total accuracy... -- one has to wonder if the sport feels high-stakes to the creature. A matter of survival, perhaps. Even considering synchronicity, what kind of phenomenon does this represent? Some longing for miracles? I suppose the real miracle is how people manage to survive while ignoring the subtle dimensions of existence. Or maybe they don't. You can't really account for everything. It's all just a way to forcibly suppress the subtle aspects of life, and Andrew.
Do you believe in angels? in Spirituality ·
Linda Walker37 said:Exactly. Kids, animals—I've even experienced it myself.😉

I suppose you're an angel, you just seem to have forgotten it.