Posts by neonmarlin39

About Svetlana 😁

Justin Baker6 said:Finally broken, huh? You stopped mentioning those hack writers. Hahahaha.
You're just unstable, man. Your ego is fragile.

Seriously, you’re totally disconnected from reality. I don't know what you think you're seeing, or maybe you just want to see it. But hey, at least you finally admitted those authors you keep ripping off are total garbage.😁

Justin Baker6 said:It's my work, and you've got zero skin in the game. That's the whole issue. See how everything just comes to light eventually? Heh.

And do you feel more stable now that you’ve labeled someone else unstable?
I saw you delete that last-second comment where you called me unstable. It’s unbelievable how much my original work is actually eating at you. Believe it or not, I'm right here, and I'm not backing down.

🤦

Justin Baker6 said:You wouldn't be getting this worked up if you realized your whole argument is built on nothing. You should try being creative for once—like me. Everything I write comes straight from my own head.
When was the last time you actually wrote something original? It's all just copy-paste from you. I'm a human being; you're just a machine. That's the reality.
My threads will always stay at the top because there are plenty of you here obsessed with them. Welcome to the show. Now I know exactly how to get my voice out to the masses.

Yeah, sure. Next thing you know, a UFO is gonna land and a bunch of lizard people and gray aliens made of antimatter will show up just to hand you an official award for your "incredible" achievement.

Justin Baker6 said:You wouldn't be getting this worked up if you realized your whole argument is built on nothing. You should try being creative for once—like me. Everything I write comes straight from my own head.
When was the last time you actually wrote something original? It's all just copy-paste from you. I'm a human being; you're just a machine. That's the reality.
My threads will always stay at the top because there are plenty of you here obsessed with them. Welcome to the show. Now I know exactly how to get my voice out to the masses.

That’s just a fake way of putting it. You claimed the same thing before, but then I caught you translating other people's quotes and conclusions (it’s all right there in black and white on that other thread of yours about reptiles and religion) and passing them off as your own here. Honestly, you should probably skip writing any medical papers or anything like that, since you clearly don't get what plagiarism actually is.

Justin Baker6 said:You wouldn't be getting this worked up if you realized your whole argument is built on nothing. You should try being creative for once—like me. Everything I write comes straight from my own head.
When was the last time you actually wrote something original? It's all just copy-paste from you. I'm a human being; you're just a machine. That's the reality.
My threads will always stay at the top because there are plenty of you here obsessed with them. Welcome to the show. Now I know exactly how to get my voice out to the masses.

🤣

Justin Baker6 said:Look, I've already laid out how the principles work.

The outsiders meddling with this stuff don't matter to the core topic. Let's just stick to analyzing the principle itself.

The only reason they don't matter is because everything you're saying is pure lies. That team doesn't exist, and those people aren't real either. It's all just stuff pulled from those plagiarizing authors you keep citing—the ones you tried to hide as your own sources. Now you're just trying to spread those lies further, but it's not working.

Justin Baker6 said:Holy Spirit? I have no idea what you mean by that. Care to elaborate?
I'm pulling this straight from my own intuition. I think I've hit on some massive insights here.
So, basically, we both exist and don't exist at the exact same time. I'll explain later why this stance is incredibly practical and has absolutely nothing to do with schizophrenia (which is denying reality, whereas I'm not denying reality—I'm saying it *is* happening, but also it isn't).

Some people claim everything is just an illusion, which basically makes them anti-matter shavers, while others claim everything is material, making them material shavers.
Based on my gut instinct, the truth has to be somewhere in the middle, and here it is.

Once you grasp these insights, you move on to rotation exercises—like, say, flipping the Earth's poles—to turn matter into anti-matter.

Lying again. You know damn well you're just ripping stuff off.

Justin Baker6 said:Holy Spirit? I have no idea what you mean by that. Care to elaborate?
I'm pulling this straight from my own intuition. I think I've hit on some massive insights here.
So, basically, we both exist and don't exist at the exact same time. I'll explain later why this stance is incredibly practical and has absolutely nothing to do with schizophrenia (which is denying reality, whereas I'm not denying reality—I'm saying it *is* happening, but also it isn't).

Some people claim everything is just an illusion, which basically makes them anti-matter shavers, while others claim everything is material, making them material shavers.
Based on my gut instinct, the truth has to be somewhere in the middle, and here it is.

Once you grasp these insights, you move on to rotation exercises—like, say, flipping the Earth's poles—to turn matter into anti-matter.

Thinking is easy when you've got nothing to back it up.

Justin Baker6 said:Holy Spirit? I have no idea what you mean by that. Care to elaborate?
I'm pulling this straight from my own intuition. I think I've hit on some massive insights here.
So, basically, we both exist and don't exist at the exact same time. I'll explain later why this stance is incredibly practical and has absolutely nothing to do with schizophrenia (which is denying reality, whereas I'm not denying reality—I'm saying it *is* happening, but also it isn't).

Some people claim everything is just an illusion, which basically makes them anti-matter shavers, while others claim everything is material, making them material shavers.
Based on my gut instinct, the truth has to be somewhere in the middle, and here it is.

Once you grasp these insights, you move on to rotation exercises—like, say, flipping the Earth's poles—to turn matter into anti-matter.

There's no point in multiplying or dividing if you haven't even mastered addition and subtraction yet. It's obvious you don't actually get what antimatter is and you're just talking nonsense. Seriously, quit trying to preach that pseudo-scientific New Age alien conspiracy religion of yours.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Are you really implying that someone with such beautifully designed pages is lying? ☕

I'm offended.

Sverdlov is a total New Age hack who just makes things up as he goes. Doesn't matter what I think or how much his website design sucks 😁

Justin Baker6 said:Some paranoid nutcase thinks they can track everything I read and everything I do. I've run into thousands of people like that in the dark corners of the web. They never stop because they’re convinced they can actually read minds. Honestly, it works out fine for me since my topics always end up at the top of the pile. Not every bad thing needs to be treated like a catastrophe.

That’s just you describing yourself.

Justin Baker6 said:Some paranoid nutcase thinks they can track everything I read and everything I do. I've run into thousands of people like that in the dark corners of the web. They never stop because they’re convinced they can actually read minds. Honestly, it works out fine for me since my topics always end up at the top of the pile. Not every bad thing needs to be treated like a catastrophe.

Honestly, I'm not even surprised you're hanging out in those shady corners of the internet, whatever they may be.

Justin Baker6 said:Some paranoid nutcase thinks they can track everything I read and everything I do. I've run into thousands of people like that in the dark corners of the web. They never stop because they’re convinced they can actually read minds. Honestly, it works out fine for me since my topics always end up at the top of the pile. Not every bad thing needs to be treated like a catastrophe.

Honestly, you don't even need some kind of psychic powers to figure someone like you out. It’s pretty easy to read between the lines, and I can tell exactly what's going on with pinpoint accuracy.

Justin Baker6 said:Some paranoid nutcase thinks they can track everything I read and everything I do. I've run into thousands of people like that in the dark corners of the web. They never stop because they’re convinced they can actually read minds. Honestly, it works out fine for me since my topics always end up at the top of the pile. Not every bad thing needs to be treated like a catastrophe.

It’s not just that you’re dodging her questions or spinning things around to hide the fact that you don't actually know your stuff. You aren't just ignoring the specifics, either—you've straight-up lied a few times. Like when you claimed you weren't pulling from those New Age authors or alien channelers? That's just not true. Honestly, you're only saying that because you're so surface-level with this topic that you don't even realize where all your info is coming from. You're just blindly believing it. It’s kind of sad, really. You can't tell the difference between sci-fi movies and actual reality. You're acting like a little kid who still believes in Santa Claus.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Not at all. Honestly, I find it pretty fascinating. I'm just waiting for someone from that actual materialization team to weigh in, because I get the feeling nobody else here really understands what you're talking about. 😁

They’re pulling from this, or maybe some of those other New Age alien conspiracy writers who used it as fuel for their own stories.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montauk_Project

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Montauk_project

Justin Baker6 said:Joseph Bailey41 and Elizabeth Taylor3 are acting like two sisters lost in a schizophrenic episode.

This has nothing to do with mental illness. This state is being induced. It’s an artificial mental state, not some byproduct of a thought disorder.
There is an entire team dedicated to external mind manipulation. These are specific techniques being perfected because flipping a mind into that state instantly isn't easy.

Can you drop some sources? Like, who are you actually citing here? Who’s doing this work or even mentioning it? 😁
It’s giving me major New Age alien conspiracy vibes—you know, those authors obsessed with channeling aliens or reptilians. It feels like everything you say ties back to that, which makes sense since pretty much every single one of your posts follows that exact same pattern. It’s classic stuff from those types of writers. Also, I really think you're in the wrong subforum. This isn't really about spirituality; it just feels like you're constantly trying to push these theories into sections where they don't belong instead of sticking to the alternative boards.

silverwolf98 said:But what if there isn't actually a path to follow, or some predefined road you're supposed to trek down?

If we’re talking about "the path" literally... honestly, if you're moving, you're on a path. You can stick to the paved roads, or you can cut through the woods. You could even wander straight into a minefield (though, uh, maybe don't do that). It's all on you—your call, your choice, and you're the one dealing with the fallout.

Just to give you guys an idea, here’s how the tantrasara describes what makes a top-tier teacher versus a great student. I’ll drop the Sanskrit verses (latin transcription) first, then the English breakdown right underneath.

Shánto dánto kuliinascha viniita shuddhaveshaván
Shuddhácárii supratiśthita shucirdakśah subuddhimán
Áshramii dhyánaniśt́ashca tantramantra visháradah
Nigrahánugrahe shakto gururityabhidhiiyate.

To actually earn the title of guru, a person needs to be composed, self-controlled, and skilled at raising the kundalini. They should be modest, dress simply, lead by example, and make an honest living. On top of that, they need to be pure in thought, deeply knowledgeable about spiritual practices, highly intelligent, grounded in everyday life, steady in meditation, and experts in Tantra and mantra. Plus, they gotta have the ability to both discipline and encourage a student.

Shánto viniito shuddhátmá
Shraddhávána dhárańákśamah;
Samarthashca kuliinashca
Prájiṋah saccarito yatih;
Evamádi guńaeryuktah
Shishyo bhavati nányathá.

As for the student, they’ve gotta be samartha—basically, ready to jump on whatever instructions or commands the master gives. They also need to be prájiṋa and yati, meaning they have the right knowledge, plenty of experience, and total control over their own mind. An ideal disciple is someone with a noble soul and conduct, a calm mind, a bit of humility, a sharp memory, and some serious grit. They should be competent in everything they do, passionate about the work of raising the kulakundalini, well-informed, and disciplined.

Check out this decent guy—he actually brought in some real reforms. For him, the whole LHP thing was about stepping up for people who've been pushed to the margins and stuff. What we're looking at here is basically the modernized version of the organized Aghor Yoga tradition.

The practices of Aghor Yoga today reflect reforms made in the 1960s, shifting the focus of Aghor to seeking a balanced life of selfless service and personal practice.[3] Baba Bhagwan Ramji encouraged the practitioners of Aghor to follow the "left hand path" by embracing socially stigmatized and neglected people, such as street children and people with leprosy and other "untouchable" diseases. Today, the followers of Aghoreshwar Bhagwan Ramji have established a large network of schools, orphanages, medical clinics, or other social service projects.[4]

By shifting Aghor Yoga’s focus to helping those who are suffering within society, Baba Bhagwan Ramji modernized the ancient Aghor tradition.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aghor_Yoga

Joseph Bailey41 said:Alright, so that specific group doesn't do the whole sex thing. I assume others do, though. In my opinion, Tantra without sex feels pretty pointless. 🤷

That’s actually one of the big reasons why people here in the States get Tantra all mixed up with sex. There isn't really a direct link—not in practice, not in theory, and definitely not in what the word "Tantra" actually means. To put it simply, it's just a spiritual, psychological, and physical practice meant to unite Jiva with Shiv—basically merging individual consciousness with cosmic consciousness, or Atman with Paratman.

Joseph Bailey41 said:Thanks. I just started watching the video—the guy is making some pretty heavy comparisons to Manson. 😬

E: It’s a great film, though I haven't quite made it to the part about eating carrion yet. He’s drinking out of a skull and smearing himself with ash (which actually seems useful for keeping mosquitoes away... I've honestly thought about trying that) and eating food left for the deceased (I'll pass on that one, since I don't eat flowers). So far, the only thing that really grossed me out was him scooping water from an Indian river. That’s just nasty to me. Honestly, it would probably kill me. Probably kill most Americans, too.

Seems totally lost.

Joseph Bailey41 said:I have to admit, I haven't heard much about the actual scavenging part. I do know about meditating (or even having sex) in graveyards (like an open-air crematorium) and smearing oneself with the ashes of the deceased, but not because those spots hold some special energy. It seems more like it's because those places are taboo, and Left Hand Path tantra can basically be boiled down to the intentional breaking of taboos. If I've got that wrong, please set me straight. Ideally, send over some links regarding this necro-cannibalism stuff, otherwise we might just be talking in circles.

They don't really hook up that much, actually. Most stay celibate. And honestly, anyone can get down in a cemetery if that's their thing, just like anywhere else... There are myths floating around about Shava Sadhana and other practices where you sit in a specific pose on a corpse, so maybe that's where the sex associations come from. There's more to the connection with graveyards or smashans than just breaking rules (which are way more hardcore anyway). Plus, people throw everything under the "Aghora" label, so you get all sorts of different philosophies, rituals, definitions, and dogmas. It's kind of a mess, just like everywhere else.

You can find some basic info on the wiki:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aghori

hiddenpuma75 said:Let me try to translate that for you...

What is COMPLETELY (and I mean 100%) shared by Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, Christianity, Islam, and even slaves (for instance, back in ancient Rome or generally speaking) is the simple FACT that the ideal believer or the ideal slave is expected to be submissive to a set of rules imposed by SOMEONE ELSE.
These rules and theologies are often vague, contradictory, demeaning, or even "impossible"... but their goal is to weaken or dismantle the ego we all possess, aiming to harmonize the individual with "something greater than themselves."

When a follower of the Left-Hand Path realizes this fact (whether consciously or not), they decide—either intentionally or instinctively—not to follow anyone else's rules. Instead, they choose to follow themselves, their own principles, and their own independent journey.

In my view, both paths are valid and achievable, but both are incredibly demanding. The Right-Hand Path is difficult because it requires total self-denial, while the Left-Hand Path is tough because you end up "standing apart" from the crowd. You're essentially alone, and being in the minority makes it hard to navigate the standards others have set.

Both paths offer plenty of examples of massive successes and inspirations, as well as huge failures, tragedies, and sheer absurdity.

It’s also easy to see how those on the Left and those on the Right generally fail to understand one another. They tend to despise each other, convinced that their own path is the only viable one, while viewing the other as "evil," bizarre, or pathetic.

Beyond that, there are internal differences within "each hand." For example, Buddhism stands out from other religions because it "has no God," yet a Buddhist still submits to dharma, sangha, and "
Buddha.
On the Left-Hand Path side, we have both atheistic and theistic versions of the way.
Essentially, every atheist is a follower of the Left-Hand Path by default, even if they've never heard the term. It isn't because an atheist does what Christians *think* they do (like sacrificing children 🙄), but simply because they refuse to be "obedient" to a narrative that feels untruthful or externally forced upon them.

(Of course, all of this is incredibly brief and superficial to someone who has no clue about the subject.

And Amy Bennett, you don't really know anything about the "Left-Hand Path," so to you, it's just "Satanism"—basically the caricature that mainstream Christianity created.

But if we acknowledge the fact that Jesus followed a Left-Hand Path in relation to Judaism, then it becomes foolish to claim he was a Satanist.
To the Pharisees, he *was* a Satanist, which is exactly why they executed him.

Similarly, Buddha was considered a heretic by Hindus, yet it would be just as ridiculous to call Buddha a Satanist.

This is a fascinating topic because every single one of us has been, at various times, a "Left-Hander" and a "Right-Hander."

Look, Buddha basically defined himself through the middle way—madhyamamarga. This whole thing isn't about subjective morality or whatever set of rules people here keep trying to push on everything.

mistybison said:Can the tradition of the guru really be plucked from one culture and dropped into another without losing its essence?

Isn't the term "spiritual teacher" far too broad as well? You could have yoga instructors, meditation coaches, healers, or even shamans...

Who actually qualifies to be a spiritual teacher?

Why not? It’s actually been happening for a while now, especially when you look at the East-West connection. The world has never been this interconnected, and honestly, it’s only going to get tighter from here. Even if cultures seem worlds apart, at the end of the day, we're all just people. Every culture is a human creation. Plus, pretty much every tradition has some version of a guru involved—civilizations basically rely on passing down knowledge through someone.

Chris Williams said:That simply isn't true. It isn't a dangerous path, nor is it some route defined by hedonism and lust. I suspect a few Western fools who have rebranded their own lack of restraint as sacred tantra are nothing more than frauds.

Hooking up and chasing thrills 😁
In its actual, raw sense, Vamacara tantra is both dangerous and extreme. There’s even a shloka that points this out—generally speaking, people say the path of Tantra is as risky as walking on the edge of a razor blade. Honestly, it's way too intense for most folks, whether they're from the West or the East. That's why there have always been so few practitioners throughout history. The practices are extreme by design; that's the whole point. I mean, how many people actually want to spend all day meditating in a graveyard, eating carrion, smearing themselves in ash, and drinking out of a skull? Most people would just die—or at the very least, get incredibly sick—from eating rotten human flesh, which can be a pretty standard thing for a (crazy) Vamacara tantrika. For the vast majority, those risks are just way too high or totally unappealing, and honestly, that’s fine. But then again, you find all kinds of people, though most drop out long before they get anywhere. The reason most people view Left Hand Path practitioners the way they do is simply because they don't fit into "normal" human standards or society, to put it mildly. In the West, they practically don't exist, and even in the East, they're extremely rare nowadays. This whole "LHP tantra" thing popular in the West is mostly just some weird blend of Neo-Tantra and LHP, and these popularized Western ideas about LHP or Tantra really don't have anything to do with the original tantric perspectives.

Andrew White6 said:There seems to be a fundamental misunderstanding of the basic concepts at play. Both terms actually refer to different spiritual trajectories. The terms "Right-Hand Path" (or *dakshinachra*) and "Left-Hand Path" (*vamachakra*) are borrowed from esoteric—meaning by definition non-materialistic and otherworldly—tantric doctrines within Hinduism. The first materialist philosopher in India was Charvaka (around 600 BCE), and he has nothing to do with this development, neither in origin nor in actual meaning.

So, what are we really talking about? According to established tantric beliefs, there is a natural flow of universal cosmic force through the human body from left to right, which mirrors the north-to-south flow of cosmic energy. When the human body is oriented toward the east—with the left hand facing north and the right facing south—it was believed the body was in harmony with the natural flow of the universe. This is the "Right-Hand Path," or *dakshinacha*—the path of alignment with the cosmic order. The reverse orientation is the "Left-Hand Path," or *vamachara*, an antinomian practice believed to run contrary to nature and the cosmic law. It’s essentially a rebellion against the divinely ordained order, which requires a much greater strength of will. Those who choose to "go against the current" articulate themselves more fully and individualize themselves against their surroundings, allowing for greater independence and freedom.

In short, the key distinction between these two paths is the difference between orthodoxy and heterodoxy: between submitting to a "higher power" and resisting it; between merging harmoniously with one's environment and asserting one's own individuality.

A materialist will eventually realize that even after they have "sold their soul to the devil," they still possess a self—allowing them to translate all material events into another form, thereby catching the thread of spirituality and constructing their own world.

Aside from the fact that the Left-Hand Path predates the Judeo-Christian concept of the devil, what you're describing is actually impossible within that specific practice. In a spiritual sense, the "devil"—or the antinomian element found in the Judeo-Christian tradition—is actually the practitioner of the Left-Hand Path themselves. Therefore, "selling one's soul to the devil" would simply mean selling oneself to oneself (the supreme deity of the Left-Hand Path).

...both paths lead in the same direction...

Are the direction of union with God in eternity and the direction of separation in eternity heading the same way? Not even orthodox faiths would claim that. The path toward heaven—that is, toward harmonious unity with God—and the path toward hell—eternal separation from God—are not moving in the same direction. If you try to "walk both paths," you aren't going anywhere (which, according to orthodox beliefs, means you're headed straight to hell/separation from God).

Take a look at some classic Vamacar traditions, like the Aghor. Their ultimate goal is to merge with Shiva. According to tradition, Shiva is seen as the founder of the left, right, and middle paths of Tantra. In its original context, this whole division of paths within classical monism is actually monistic in nature. Most Western definitions and ways of splitting things up usually stem from a dualistic philosophy, more or less.