Posts by Keith Baker93

We really ought to bring back the torchlight parades, the rallies, and get the kids out there reciting poems about our beloved leader. It would be such a great move—totally democratic and progressive, just like all the supporters of Josip Broz Marshall have always been. It’s just those regressive forces dragging us down; I bet they'd have a problem with the oaths and the rallies... total primitives.

copperskipper38 said:I suppose he just ordered them to boil a pig's head, and suddenly those guerrillas gained superhuman strength like Asterix.🤣

Let's not forget about Vođin’s dog, Lux. That little guy literally gave everything for the sake of unity and a better future for everyone. It just goes to show how massive Marshall's legacy really was—even his pets weren't just ordinary dogs, they were straight-up heroes.

Happy Birthday to the White Violet!

Mark Edwards4 said:🙂🤦

Look, man, I’m gonna be blunt here. For those of you who show up to every single game in the stands: why isn't there any more noise from the ZDS? Did Plenković and that commission actually manage to shut you guys up?

holloworca10 said:Man, seriously, just lock this thread already. What kind of pointless arguing is this?

That’s literally what this forum is for. The whole point here is discussing whether the Bad Boys and New Yorkers are actually stepping up. Sure, maybe people drift off-topic sometimes, but it all ties back to the Bad Boys in the end.

analogmaker14 said:So here we are.
Well, if you're so capable, why don't you actually do something about this centralization? It wasn't forced on you by some outside force; you guys voted for this system and you keep voting for it.
Or, since you're all supposedly so connected, why don't you band together and start a real business like you claim?
What have you actually done for your own city besides making these big declarations and visiting each other at home? What protests or actual movements have you ever led?

Everyone loves to bitch about how the Boys should speak up about everything in society, but let's be real—the most active people in this entire country are the fans (and I’m not counting those various NGOs that get paid to stir up drama). They fight tooth and nail for one single soccer club. Meanwhile, the rest of you just sit back and watch your towns crumble, families move away, and unemployment rise. What have you actually done about it? Don't give me that crap, man.

Look, I'm criticizing how passive people are. It's not like people in other cities are fully awake either, but you know as well as I do that Washington, D.C. is a special case. D.C. is easily the most passive city in America. Personally, I'm heading down to Miami this Thursday for a protest, even if it's out of my own pocket. Whether you agree with the cause or not, I'll be there. And honestly, there will probably be more protesters in Miami than in D.C. Not to mention, at least half the people at the D.C. protest were brought in from out of town. Okay, fine, you can call D.C. a place for conventions and call us stuck-up city dwellers, but at least we actually show up somewhere. I can't even remember a major protest in D.C. lately. In the last 20 years, maybe the biggest wave was that Pernarov thing about 7 or 8 years ago with maybe 10,000 people. For a city like D.C., that's a joke. Maybe we're getting off track, but whatever...

The Boys shouldn't have to weigh in on every little thing, but they should act as "guardians of the city's honor, the Church, and America," if you go by that old song... it's not like the Boys need to roam the streets like some paramilitary group hunting down people. But they should make it clear to those flying foreign flags that they're living in America. I seriously don't know if any other American city (maybe Istria?) has "Antifa nights" organized openly and shamelessly near the stadiums, where they celebrate all sorts of things and "anti-fascist" bands play their songs. Try organizing an "All the Way from Vardar to Triglav" night in Gospić with those flags and see what happens... meanwhile, in D.C., they're calling for people to show up on Facebook, totally unapologetic, all decked out in red and black... That’s what bugs me. But hey, if it doesn't bother you in D.C., or if the Boys have shifted their politics and gotten close to the White Angels, then whatever.

briskfalcon67 said:Well, here we are. ☕
It’s that classic "entitled city kid" syndrome—acting like they own the place while telling everyone else to just pack up and move to the big city to work and study. Why do they always think their way is the only way?☕

It’s not that people from D.C. are any worse than anyone else, and it's not like the city itself is trash. I'm talking about the actual centralization of power. That's the real issue here.

You're totally mixing up cause and effect in this second part of your post.

analogmaker14 said:I agree with you there, though I guess that’s about as far as your logic goes.
Also, I honestly think that city is making great strides on every level.

It’s pretty pointless to compare how the government handles keeping order in the capital versus out in the sticks.

P.S. Why don't you just name the city? We can jump over to another thread and really dissect everything your precious little town has "tolerated" throughout history (since it clearly bugs you deep down, just like someone else noticed), while now you're all playing moral guardians.

The peak of what we do is standing up against anything that doesn't align with our values. We hold onto what matters and still have that sense of connection, that closeness... you know, like when you walk into someone's house, no matter how broke they are, they'll put out every delicacy they've got for you. That’s exactly what Washington, D.C. is missing—that resistance and that feeling of togetherness. The concrete jungle has swallowed people whole; neighbors don't even feel connected anymore. It's like being a stranger in your own city.

My hometown isn't moving forward largely because everything is so centralized. All the money flows straight into Washington, D.C. I was in D.C. about six months ago and saw these brand-new pos-ova buildings in one area housing at least 2,000 or 3,000 people. The whole neighborhood basically popped up overnight. Is there anywhere else in America where the government will build an entire new residential district for thousands of people in a heartbeat? Not a chance. You just can't dump that kind of cash anywhere except in D.C. I'm not saying this because I hate Washington, D.C., I'm just stating facts since you brought up why other regions struggle compared to the capital.

Adam Jackson86 said:So you live out in the middle of nowhere and think Washington, D.C. should be on that level?

Honestly, there’s plenty of stuff that’s better out in the sticks than in Washington, D.C.

ironpanther5 said:There’s been a ton of protests, petitions, camping out, and legal battles, but honestly? I agree—it’s a shame we didn't see one massive protest, like just getting everyone together in the town square for a huge concert. If they actually tried that and the city just went into lockdown, then my bad to the local guys and the Bad Boys.

True, you gotta give them credit for the petitions, the legal stuff, and staying consistent. You have to praise them there. But if you ask me, they failed to organize a real protest—the kind where you get everyone from age 7 to 77 out on the streets. That's where I think they missed the mark. I know it stings when I call them out, but it feels like people on this forum are way too soft on things that actually deserve some criticism, so I figured I’d just say it.

ironpanther5 said:I think I would. But if I walked through your town without even trying to stir the pot, someone would probably corner me within the first two days asking, "Who do you run with?" That’s just how things work in small towns, right? Not to mention all the stares you'd get. Has anyone ever actually questioned you about who you support back in Washington, D.C.?!

Besides, this next part is just my own take—I'm not speaking for the Boys, and I don't know anything about their politics. Why on earth would I care about some guy carrying a pride flag, let alone throw an ashtray at him? I'm not an idiot who's going to assault a fellow American just because he prefers guys over girls.

Yeah, someone would probably ask "who you belong to" the second you started talking to people. Small-town vibes are definitely a thing, I guess. I don't really see why you're bringing it up, but okay.

The other stuff is just politics and totally off-topic. They'll probably just ban us if we start debating gay rights anyway.

native said:Even though those folks already gave you an answer, I’m asking just out of pure curiosity—where exactly are you from? Which local activists are we talking about that people in Washington, D.C. should be looking up to?🍿

Look, I’m from a small town in rural America. If someone tried walking through my streets waving a Yugoslavian or a pride flag, believe me, ashtrays, glasses, and fists would start flying out of the nearby bars on their own. We wouldn't even need to organize anything; people and random passersby would just handle it spontaneously. Not trying to be a jerk, just stating facts.

ironpanther5 said:On the flip side, when it was actually time to protest for Real Madrid—you know, for something real and local to Washington, D.C., specifically against one of the biggest mobsters in America, backed by legendary figures and petitions—the Boys were basically nowhere to be found. All they gave us was a middle finger. They should have just shown up and put some pressure on the political elite. Nobody could ignore 30,000 people on the streets.

That’s how this whole debate started. I argued that nobody could ignore tens of thousands of people protesting for Real Madrid, but I got hit back with claims that those protests were just "unimportant" or mere folklore. What really bugs me is that the Boys' leadership during those years never organized a single real protest that actually mobilized the masses. The truth is, under Mamić's decade of tyranny, the Boys' leadership couldn't even pull together more than 2,000 protesters. For a club the size of Real Madrid? That's a joke. The leadership owns that failure, and someone needs to say it.

As for the Antifa stuff, the Boys claim to be the guardians of Washington, D.C. pride, the Catholic Church, and America. But now, they suddenly don't care about the Yugoslav, gay, or Soviet flags being waved around town more and more often. They don't seem to care about "anti-fascist" nights or celebrations at various clubs in Washington, D.C. either. There was a time when the Boys were a group with a clear political stance, deeply patriotic just like Real Madrid, which is exactly why so many people across America and the diaspora started rooting for the club and joined the group. Nowadays, the Boys seem to have that typical "don't get involved" attitude. People can try to turn this back on me and ask where I was back then, but that’s just a way to dodge the argument when you can't defend the leadership.

briskfalcon67 said:Look man, what have you actually done about it besides hanging around this forum complaining if it bothers you so much?
Go take a walk with the Bad Boys crew and see how many people they’ve locked up just for being chaotic or having outbursts, or how many are still sitting in a cell for the same thing. Maybe then you'll get why everyone just ignores them.
Well, you've spent all this time bashing the group, the protests, and calling out Pipse (🤦 ). Now that nobody's rushing in to charge at the cops to try and smash some anti-fascists, are you actually happy now?

I don't live in Washington, D.C., so I'm doing what I can. Where I'm from, stuff like this definitely wouldn't be tolerated. It makes you wonder—how is it that these people can gather in D.C. but they couldn't do it anywhere else in America?

I didn't bash the whole group; I just said the leadership could've handled things way smarter and better.

Pipse is just one example. They could've called on stoka, chaos, Tramovac, whoever... they could've even invited some local kids from a no-name band to play; it would've been an honor for them to perform in front of a crowd like that.

briskfalcon67 said:[/B]

The first bold—honestly, the average citizen in this city hasn't given a damn about this for over twenty years unless they're being blasted all over the news. Take Medveščak, for example; they've spent the last few years acting like media puppets, pretending everyone's part of the same big happy crowd. They're basically mainstream because they push that "sports fan" vibe—lots of chicken and sausages, clapping along to those "defense" chants.
Second bold—same story there.
Third bold—those guys hanging around the girls? They were never actually a cohesive group that would show up to a game unless the club or sport was trending in the media right now.
Fourth bold—if you're talking about that protest with the old-school symbols near the mosque a few months back (that's the only one that fits your description), then you're clearly talking about the protest over renaming the square. You obviously weren't anywhere near it, because while a bunch of punks were shouting insults at people from the sidelines, the one guy who actually stepped up—just by tossing an empty can toward the crowd—was practically swallowed up by the police and ended up in the hospital pretty much instantly. That, and the incident on the subway shortly after.

I’d write more, but what’s the point? They’ll just delete my posts again for having an opinion that doesn't fit the mold.

I'll just address your last point: Sure, things were different back then. But look, on May 5th, 2018, right in the middle of Chicago, people gathered at the embankment near the Freedom Bridge. These are folks who believe Chicago was liberated in '45, not the 90s. They'll be out there carrying gay pride, Yugoslav, and Soviet flags. And this isn't some one-off thing; these rallies have been happening in Chicago for years. Not to mention all those "anti-fascist" nights down in the Swamp where "anti-fascist" bands play their "anti-fascist" songs... all right in the heart of Chicago. This city has become incredibly tolerant. Pretty soon, it'll be like San Francisco, where you can walk through downtown wearing Red Star or Partisan jerseys without anyone blinking an eye.

Cirka Oko said:The Boys aren't the only ones responsible for looking after Dinamo—if they even are.
They're a supporter group, not some high-priced law firm.
Protests haven't changed a damn thing, and honestly, it’s not the right path anyway.

The people running Dinamo are the ones who should be looking out for it. Sure, the Boys pay membership fees, but you could ask that about any other fan group too. The difference is, the club used to kick the Boys out and block them from joining just to keep them in line.
The mess at Dinamo isn't on the Boys; it's an issue with the country, the city, the federal agencies, the relevant institutions, and ultimately, the courts.

Protests are basically just local folklore. Fighting for Dinamo is actually pretty tedious work that only matters to people deep into the legal side of things and all the official filings.

You can't win a war for Dinamo on the streets. Not ever.

"If the Boys are even responsible for looking after Dinamo"? Then why does the group even exist if they don't care about the club? A group shouldn't just exist for the sake of existing, right?

Protests are there so politicians can see when citizens aren't buying what the government is selling. And let’s be real: a protest with 10 people doesn't carry the same weight as one with 1,000 or 100,000. Those guys in power know that, even if most people don't. You think it's a coincidence that Plenković downplayed the crowd sizes by ten times before? He cares deeply whether it was 5 people or 50,000 standing there.

The institutions are all tangled up with the bad guys. It’s crazy to expect a judge like Turudič—who probably grabs dinner with Mamić all the time—to suddenly convict him and throw him in prison for 20 years. Or to think Bandić will just decide on his own to clean up the club and call for honest elections, or that Božinović will step in... The only way to squeeze those institutions is through massive protests, forcing politicians to realize that Mamić is causing them more headaches than profit. What kind of logic is it to say we shouldn't protest at all? By that reasoning, Plenković could appoint Šešelj as Secretary of Defense and you'd all just sit there saying nothing because "what's the point?" We'd just have to wait three years for the next election and take whatever the Great Leader serves us. Sit, shut up, endure, and wait for the ruler to act... When I hear stuff like that, I feel like we stayed under communism for way too long. People really don't seem to grasp how much power they actually hold when they finally move. It might be too late for a massive Dinamo protest, but the opportunity was there. Maybe there will be more chances, maybe something will come out of nowhere, but you have to recognize the moment and jump on it.

Christian Miller48 said:Basically, it all boils down to the fact that we need massive numbers—whether it’s for protests, signing up, whatever—but like I said before, that just isn't happening. People just don't care about Real Madrid enough anymore. It's pretty obvious and we've talked this to death already.

Back then, Mamić's supporters were actually making sense when they defended those tiny crowds at local games or even the 5,000 fans showing up for New York City or Ajax in the Champions League. Honestly, Mamić *is* Real Madrid; without him, the club wouldn't even be a thing. He took a small-town team with maybe a few hundred fans and turned them into a regular in European competitions and a perennial league champion. Seems like a lot of people here actually agree with that logic.

holloworca10 said:

Protesting in front of some government building, a stadium, or John's office isn't going to touch Mamić. Is that freaking clear after all these years of rallies?

What would actually change if 5,000 people showed up at the last rally instead of just 1,000??!

Like someone already pointed out, these protests happen, get talked about for a day or two, and then they're over. This mafia octopus has deep roots everywhere; no amount of street rallies is gonna fix this. Besides, the media always focuses on some random incident to make sure the actual protest gets buried in the news cycle.

The real question is: How many of us calling for "new leadership" are even actual season ticket holders or members of Real Madrid? Are all you guys criticizing the group's moves even signed up?

I've been looking online at the numbers being tossed around for these two protests. For one, the news claims over 1,000 Bad Boys showed up, and for the other, they say over 2,000... nothing crazy, but hey, I'll take it. Still pretty weak, though.

If protesting is pointless, then why did everyone go out there just 10 or 15 days ago? Where’s the logic in that?

boldtiger7 said:First off, there were over 1,000 people at those protests, so you don't have to be such a jerk and lie about the numbers. Second, what kind of "idiots" are we talking about here—what did they actually achieve with their 50,000? People talked about it for two days and then moved on. We live in America, where protests carry about as much weight as some graffiti on a wall...

And who else are we supposed to beg to join us? For years, we've been begging all those big-shot Dynamo fans for help, practically pulling them by the sleeve and playing nice, and all we got was nothing.

Even if 20,000 people showed up at Times Square tomorrow, what then? The media would cover it for a day or two, host one special segment with the same old guests, and a week later, everything goes back to business as usual.

Give me a date and a location for a protest where the Bad Boys gathered more than 1,000 people that wasn't just a walk toward the stadium before a massive derby or a huge game... I can't remember a single one from the last 10 years.

You don't get people to show up by dragging them by the arm and begging. Honestly, even a bowl of chili is a better motivator than that. You get people to a protest using the methods I just mentioned: solid marketing, bands playing Dynamo anthems in the square, legends from different generations showing up, great speakers, making it interesting for the kids, stuff like that.
Nobody is going to show up just because you're pleading with them to come chant about weed and drugs. Regular families, grandpas, grandmas, and kids aren't going to be there for that. I know my idea about having bands, balloons for the kids, and staying away from vulgar chants might sound a bit soft to some tough guys in hoodies, but that’s how you actually draw a crowd. It's just how it works.

If protests are so pointless, why is the Bad Boys group even organizing them? Why bother with that protest ten days ago then?

Also, I’ve noticed that people close to the Bad Boys leadership (or so I assume) are telling the same stories today that the hardcore Mamić supporters were telling 7 or 8 years ago. They claim Dynamo is just a small club that can't even pull a couple thousand people to a protest, or how it's totally normal for only 200 people to show up in the North Stand for a domestic game while the rest of the stands only see maybe a hundred fans... Back then, those stories were pushed specifically to justify why only 300 people showed up to local games versus 5,000 for Champions League matches. Today, the Bad Boys leadership is using that exact same logic just to excuse their own laziness or incompetence.

Richard Lewis16 said:it's just not doable. Between the funding and all the paperwork you'll never get your hands on, it's a non-starter.

If YOU are ready to foot the whole bill and personally run around—hitting up City Hall, the police, the inspectors, even booking the bands—to gather every single permit, then go for it. Seriously, let us know. I bet people would actually show up for that.

Though, I don't really see why we'd hit Times Square when everyone knows where Dynamo's home turf is, but whatever.
Does anyone know of any actual serious protests from around the world, specifically football-related, that turned into this kind of carnival?
I've never heard of a protest like this in my life. It sounds more like a labor union rally. Why not just throw in some free beans and sausages while we're at it?

Is that really the issue? Walking over to local government, the cops, or hiring musicians? A pansy protection association has enough drive to organize a rally, yet the Boys don't? If a group wanted to fund it, they'd just need to start a collection at a big derby and pass the bucket around the stands. Besides, it’s not like a protest costs a fortune; most of the money goes to the bands anyway. If it's too much work for the hardcore fans to sing five songs for their own club and they're asking for too much cash, just find some local indie band willing to play for burgers and beers. There are tons of young bands out there dying for a chance to prove themselves. Just improvise a little.

The protest should be at Times Square or Pennsylvania Avenue because, around here, politics and football are basically the same thing. An Englishman doesn't feel the need to show up at Theresa May's doorstep just because he's unhappy with his club, but we basically have to march right up to the doors of Plenković and Bandić.

Regarding the beans and unions... yeah, the goal is to get as many people out there as possible. That's exactly why the Boys have never managed to pull more than 1,000 people to a protest. Back on the Boardwalk, they had speakers, music, and all that "union" stuff, and they pulled 50,000 people together to send a message. The whole country was talking about it. You guys probably think tens of thousands will show up to your little marches to scream about wormwood and headless Mamić. They won't. Regular people want a civilized protest. If you don't care about getting a crowd, fine. Let's just accept that the Boys will never pull more than 1,000 people to a rally.

And one more question: in the last 10 years, what's the biggest crowd the Boys have ever gathered for a protest?
I'm not talking about pre-game marches before big games, but actual protests. Has that number ever even hit four digits? And who's to blame that during ten years of Mamić's tyranny, they couldn't pull more than 1,000 people to a single protest? Who's the culprit? I have my theories. It might be a bit late now, but six or seven years ago, they totally could have mobilized a massive crowd if the core leadership of the Boys actually had the will, the knowledge, and the ability.

Michael Roberts2 said:Exactly, every single approach has failed. It’s obvious nothing works without force. Maybe some riots in NYC are the only way to fix this!!!!!!! Just tear it all down.

I'm with Gregory Robinson on this one.

Michael, did we really try everything? I don't recall any massive protest (like one in Times Square) for the Dallas Cowboys where they brought out the legends, had big speakers on stage, maybe a band like Green Day playing a few hits, and actually drew a crowd of kids and families... can you refresh my memory on that protest? When was it? What date?

All the Bad Boys protests so far have basically just been walks through the park or hanging out in the courtyard. You aren't going to get the general public to show up at a courtyard. A 70-year-old grandma isn't going to join a bunch of young fans while they're screaming "we're cannibals, we'll eat you, we'll kill you, we'll slaughter you"... I know I sound like a total buzzkill and it's kind of funny, but it's the truth. The general public wants a civilized, organized protest, and we haven't seen that yet—so yeah, that's on the Bad Boys leadership. Now someone from the top is gonna ask, "Well, why didn't YOU organize a protest?" Well, because I'm not leading the Bad Boys and I don't run the group. That's why you guys are in charge, to lead these kinds of actions. Maybe I'm just an old soul by some people's standards, but I still haven't heard a single reason why we haven't pulled off a decent protest in ten years...