Posts by rustywalker42

hollowmason64 said:What does that even have to do with anything? Why does the mileage of moving locations matter, and what role does distance play in whether someone gets infected?
And how on earth could the police know that everyone in the place she's coming from is uninfected? Are they supposed to go door-to-door checking every single person in every town people travel from?
There's a good chance the police won't even pull her over when she enters the City of Chicago, but if they do, she'll end up being handed an order for mandatory isolation.

Is this the logic Johnson is using? It's funny how people with that mindset, once they actually get sick, don't try to build immunity at home—they immediately start whining for a doctor.

She should just register through the e-visitor system and there won't be any trouble.
Honestly, it's pretty funny how people don't follow laws like this one, which requires reporting a change of residence, thinking, "Who cares, nobody actually does this, why does it matter?" and then when their own negligence and failure to respect the law comes back to bite them, suddenly everyone else is to blame.

So you live in NYC?

If his girlfriend registers through the e-Passport, there won't be an issue.
Otherwise, I love how nobody follows laws like this one requiring you to report a change of residence. It's always "whatever, nobody else does it, who cares," but then when their own failure to follow the law comes back to haunt them, suddenly everyone else is to blame.

hollowmason64 said:Look, the government doesn't care if you're hooking up at a different spot every single night, but if you stay at the same place for more than 15 days, you're supposed to report that change of residence.

I honestly don't know if they're overstepping; I haven't run into anyone like that personally.
And who’s saying they’re violating Constitution-guaranteed rights? One judge's opinion isn't the official stance of the Supreme Court. The Court could easily reach a conclusion that's the exact opposite of what that one judge thinks, and his view would just be recorded as a dissenting opinion.

Well, goodness gracious, apparently people aren't even allowed to leave their houses anymore. Did you miss that video from a few days ago where the mayor was yelling at some guy just for stepping out a little too far? The mayor starts ranting at him like, "Go home or I'll call a police officer!"

Even here, the cop will just turn you around and won't let you pass. It's not like they're going to beat you with a baton, for crying out loud.🙄
I’m just curious—out of everyone here debating whether this whole thing is working or not, how many of you actually hold an e-Passport and travel daily? I want to know what it’s actually like on the ground.
For instance, I’ve been commuting out of the city every single day for a week now for work. I have my e-Passport, and honestly, not once has a Police officer pulled me over on the way back, even when I was driving through in the afternoon, late at night, or early morning. Personally, I think it's all a bit sloppy.

People claiming everyone is healthy? How can you possibly know that? Do you visit them regularly or something?
Or do you really believe a major retail chain would ever go public with news like that? If one of our cashiers tested positive, there's a good chance others on the same shift did too.
That would be a PR nightmare for them. Something they'd definitely want to avoid.
Fair point, though—sometimes we really need to use our heads.

On another note, Spar was posting ads looking for new sales associates just two or three days ago. It makes me wonder why and how they need more staff when their operating hours have been slashed by a third. It’s a mystery.
Something to chew on.

So, if nearly 80 new cases a day is considered a negligible number, I guess they should just let us out to speed things up a bit, right?

You're a lawyer, aren't you? It’s not 15 days, it’s 3 months.

I don't know if they're overstepping their authority; I haven't dealt with people like that before.
And who says they're violating rights guaranteed by the Constitution? One judge's opinion isn't the standing of the Supreme Court. The Court could easily rule the exact opposite of that one judge, and his opinion would just be noted as a dissent.

If you don't know, why are you commenting? Here, read this:

I'm just curious—out of all of you claiming to know how things should or shouldn't work, how many actually have a pass and travel daily to know how it really looks in practice?
For instance, I've been traveling out of the city every single day for a week because of work. I have my pass, and not once has a Police officer pulled me over on the way back, whether it was afternoon, evening, or morning. It feels pretty sloppy to me personally.

Like I said, you're probably from NYC. I'd love to see you living somewhere like rural Nebraska; I bet you wouldn't be singing the same tunes. No way.

So, what kind of de iure mess are we actually in right now?

It’s pretty obvious. We're looking at total lawlessness.

Even stricter measures coming?

Kyle Lopez2 said:🙏 I know how it works, but what’s the point of proving it?

Some cop decided to tear my entire car apart for over an hour out of nowhere, even performing an illegal search just because of a minor violation worth $100 and then had the nerve to tell me we were going to sit there all night until I confessed, all over some measly $30 bucks during the New Year period.🙏 They took my phone and iPod, and even ordered me to take off my jacket...

Instead of catching us right when the infraction actually happened, they nabbed me ten minutes later and insisted I was part of a larger group committing the offense based on their "direct observation."🤦

Honestly, I lost it and told them to just write the ticket. Instead of grabbing a beer and moving on, I’m stuck spending the whole night with two guys acting tough because they can't actually prove their claims. All this over freaking $100 🤦
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To top it all off, the idiot searching my car—checking lights and digging through every single box—didn't even notice I don't carry a first aid kit.🤦 Absolute incompetence.🙄

They won't just detain you for no reason under disturbing the peace.🤣

Get the badge number and call Internal Affairs. Or just call a lawyer, if you've got one handy.

Kyle Lopez2 said:I guess there's no point in getting worked up over it. Honestly, it's probably best just to ignore them.🤣Look, if some guy tries to tell you that you have to head home, just turn around and keep walking. If you do that, he’ll realize you aren't falling for his nonsense, and he'll honestly just lose his cool completely. If you need a way to justify it later, just say he refused to follow direct orders and was disrupting public peace and order. Honestly, proving anything else is just a massive headache.🤣

I'll just pull out my phone. Then let him try to claim I was the one causing a scene.

No fine.

Kyle Lopez2 said:You can't exactly walk away silently once they've already pulled you over.🤣

Just give him your personal info if he asks. That's it. You don't owe anyone an answer to their questions. Period.

quietviper22 said:When those two women in Split were asking yesterday what kind of fine they'd actually get for "threatening a walk," the cops didn't have a single logical answer. Instead, they just went full accusatory, claiming they were disturbing the peace and inciting resistance against police officers... or whatever jargon they use to sound official. In the end, they didn't even go through with the threatening $2667, but they slapped them with some other totally questionable fine and took them in without any protective gear.

So, I guess you should just shut up and walk. That way, they can't claim you're "disturbing the peace."

They can't touch you. Heh. Let those little tyrants choke on it now.

Brian Torres2 said:Do I just need to write a quick note if I'm moving to a different city, or is there an actual official form I gotta find somewhere?

That government website is a total mess—honestly, navigating it is like trying to find your way through a corn maze in the dark.

So, a Supreme Court Justice claims they're breaking the law. Makes you wonder what happens if you actually ignore them, right?

What's the deal? They slap you with a fine based on what, exactly?

vividranger8 said:If I recall correctly—and I remember pretty clearly because it totally floored me—our Secretary of Health actually compared Covid to the flu right when things were starting to spiral here in America. So, yeah... that tells you everything you need to know about the people running this place... 🤦

02/26/2020:

"This is a disease on par with the common flu. Over 80 percent of those infected show mild symptoms."

Just in case someone decides to scrub the article above:

http://archive.is/7SfQ3

Joseph Taylor11 said:Not without a pass.
Since yesterday, I’ve been going back and forth with everyone: all the local Civil Defense Headquarters in my County—and now I've reached out to the news outlets too.
The media will probably pick up on my specific situation... though whether that actually helps anyone else at this point, I honestly don't know.

I’d suggest anyone living in those weirdly isolated Municipalities who isn't allowed to leave to speak up. Maybe hit up the news, too.

Does it seem right to you that people living in big cities (like Washington, D.C., Rijeka, Indianapolis, or San Jose) can move around freely (even if social contact is still a bit risky)... while someone from a small rural area isn't allowed to go to the next town over just to grab some food or gas?
Especially when that neighboring town is actually halfway closer than their own "center"?

Which political parties were actually pushing for reducing the number of Municipalities in the first place?

My situation is exactly like yours. If we're going to the Police Department, which newspaper should we call?

Joseph Taylor11 said:Isn't it a bit harder to track a quarantine involving 3,800,000 people (I'm just throwing numbers out there, but I assume that's roughly our population in America) than it is to manage those who actually need to be in self-isolation because they're infected? 🤔

March 12th. The Government is still debating whether or not to shut down the schools.
March 19th. The Government is still thinking about whether teachers should bother coming into school every day (since online classes start March 16th, it's pretty obvious that's a waste of time...).

March 22nd. The Government issues a stay-at-home order regarding traveling "from city to city"—which, honestly, is so absurd in practice that it's barely even worth writing about.

If they had just made the call to close the borders immediately—something they spent ages overthinking—and banned international travel, while putting anyone arriving from abroad into strict quarantine for 14 days...
They could have implemented rigorous hygiene and epidemiological measures (whatever they want to call them), clearly regulated the supply chains for stores, kept production running, and limited ANY kind of public gathering...
🤔

But it's much easier to just wait and overthink things first...
Now we've hit a wall.

This virus is nothing compared to what's heading our way over the next five years.
People are going to suffer mentally; we'll see an increase in suicides and violent crimes, and people will die from stress-induced illnesses. We'll see a spike in heart disease, strokes, and malignant tumors.

In the end, more people might die from that than from this virus itself.

I’m going to screenshot this post... just in case someone needs a reminder in a year or two.

(One more prediction: next year we'll deal with the flu—with the corona-type virus being dominant. I hope vaccines are available, but I also know plenty of people won't get them... just like they aren't getting their flu shots today.)

Basically, I've been saying the exact same thing for days. Nothing left to add. 🙏

James Reyes said:As of today, the Riviera (comprising 6 municipalities) is being treated as one single zone under this measure. This means you can move freely between Beach City and City without any issues.

Joseph Taylor11 said:I just got some news from the Town Hall.
Basically, you can only move around within your own municipality unless you have a permit.

Great to see everyone actually on the same page for once. 👍

boldotter2 said:Most of the USA is basically split up into these tiny little municipalities.

Like just yesterday, they were setting up checkpoints between rural counties (which shouldn't even be considered separate entities!) and the main cities they rely on.
People weren't just blocked from getting to Walmart; they couldn't even reach an ATM, a pharmacy, a gas station, or sometimes even a bakery! And we're talking about maybe 15,000 people total between the town and the surrounding areas. Of course, there was zero warning, nothing. Just a patrol sitting at the "border."

Meanwhile, you can drive between Brooklyn and Queens in Washington, D.C. without any issues at all—and there are more people living there than in the entire Midwest... yet this whole rule was clearly made just to stop people from fleeing Washington, D.C.

Luckily, it looks like they finally snapped out of it today and loosened things up a bit... I guess the local sheriffs just wanted their moment of glory.

Exactly what was said above. It's the reality in the Midwest, where you've got villages of 1,000 people calling themselves municipalities. That was based on the 2011 census, obviously; nowadays, those same places have fewer than 500 people left.

But hey, it's important that they're municipalities, right?

Just revert everything back to how it was before the war and call it a day.

Just look at what US Congress is pulling on us. This is a disaster.

Jason Morgan said:Greetings, does anyone happen to know if it's permissible to travel between one's registered residence (where I am currently staying in my own property) and my official permanent address without a pass?

We're talking about two neighboring towns here.

I mean, I can certainly head back to my hometown under "justified reasons," but the real question is: will they actually let me move back into my primary residence afterward?

Nope.

Matthew Jackson2 said:Your grandmother grew up there; that was her backyard. Honestly, she probably would have been more likely to trip over a curb on a sidewalk in New York City than face any real danger out there.

I spend plenty of time hiking myself, and from what I've seen, it's usually the die-hard regulars in the hiking community who stay put at home, while the casual weekend warriors are the ones actually heading out into the wilderness.

Look, I'm not part of any hiking clubs, nor do I care for that kind of social scene, but I love the mountains.

So, in my opinion, nobody has the right to judge how someone else connects with nature.

If a person loves the mountains, let them go.

Matthew Jackson2 said:Look, Ebola is definitely more infectious through direct contact, but it doesn't hang around on surfaces nearly as long, especially if things stay dry or get hit by sunlight. The incubation period is much shorter, too, and the number of people who carry it without showing any symptoms is negligible, assuming they even exist. Essentially, the Ebola virus is so aggressive that its own lethality actually works against its ability to spread.

On the other hand, when you're dealing with an incubation period of up to 14 days, you could have a young family of five where everyone gets infected one after another. The last person could potentially be infectious two months later, all while nobody shows a single symptom, leaving you completely unaware that the virus is circulating. Your only real option would be to run constant testing on the entire population, and then you could justify taking that one-month buffer from the last positive test, but let's be honest, that's just not feasible. Sure, the statistical probability of a single asymptomatic family chain reaction is low, but as the total number of infected people rises, the mathematical likelihood of at least one such household existing becomes much higher.

That isn't exactly responsible behavior either—just look at how many interventions the US Census Bureau had to make because of people thinking exactly like you.

That all makes sense in theory, but in this specific situation, those savings won't save you if your contracts get canceled or if you simply can't collect payments from clients. Those reserves are meant to help if a company can't operate for a couple of months OR if a crisis hits, but right now, both are happening simultaneously. In the end, restaurant owners might actually take the smallest hit because customers will flock back the moment they're allowed to, whereas companies that are only indirectly affected will end up feeling the brunt of it the most.

Give me a break, seriously. My great-grandmother used to manage livestock up in the mountains all by herself back when the US Census Bureau wasn't even a concept, let alone an organization.

Let's not get carried away.

wiredotter89 said:So, according to your logic, someone who has been living and working in Washington, D.C. for quite some time, but keeps their official address somewhere on the Gulf Coast, isn't technically "in" Washington, D.C.? What kind of twisted logic is that if their actual goal is to restrict the movement of the population??

It's not "according to me." It's according to the law and the decision that was passed.

They're talking about legal residence, not just where you happen to be hanging out.

And yeah, if someone catches you in Washington, D.C., but your registered residence is on the coast, theoretically, they could use this decision to send you straight back home.

electricbadger89 said:He’s talking about legal residence versus just staying somewhere.
Technically, a temporary residence should work. But right now, they aren't even letting people register a temporary residence.

No, it doesn't work like that. Permanent residency is for foreigners. Citizens of America don't have "permanent residency"—they have a primary residence, and you can only have one.

Jacob Kern2 said:You should simply head over to the local office with your friend to register your temporary residence there. Once that is done, you can rest easy. Honestly, you are likely fine as it is since you aren't wandering around aimlessly, but if you truly want total peace of mind, just update your residency status. It is a process that takes mere minutes to complete.

Residence doesn't matter when you actually have to be at your legal address.

Joseph Taylor11 said:I hear you.
But what about someone like me who maintains a residence and an apartment in a different city? I live alone in that apartment, and I drive there by myself.
(And I'm not talking about going every single day—just once a week!!—say, to check if a pipe burst... or there's a gas leak... you get the idea)
Who and how am I EXACTLY putting anyone at risk?

Please spare me the whole "oh, you'll just pop in for milk and bread... or the pharmacy... or to see a neighbor..." routine.
No, I'm not stopping by a neighbor's house because I don't even know them (the people at my primary residence are the ones I actually socialize with)—and as for milk, bread, or the pharmacy, I'll head out when I actually need something, purely so I don't starve to death.

You can't JUST stop people from socializing simply by banning them from leaving their primary place of residence.

Period.

I hope that makes things a little clearer—and why I'm so annoyed by this decision.

Staying home isn't the issue for me. I'm home, I work from home; as far as I'm concerned, I could live for months without seeing another human being! I'd sign my name to that under oath.
But let me look after my own property (which nobody gave me for free, which I'm still paying a mortgage on, and which I can't just leave unattended for a month... or however long this lasts).

And yeah... NO, I don't have some neighbor I can just hand my keys to so they can check on everything. Even if I did, I wouldn't be crazy enough to give a neighbor my apartment keys indefinitely. Helloooooo!!!!!

I totally get you.

Henry Lopez10 said:What kind of restrictions are we talking about—not being allowed to step off your porch if you're stuck in isolation and suspected of having COVID?
How are you all behaving on the I-95, or when you're playing tag by driving from one city to another with three other people crammed in the car, or even just hanging out in pharmacies?
And what's the deal with how everyone is acting at gas stations and grocery stores? Why can't they just deliver groceries to us? Just enough to let the infection levels settle down a bit? It's only two weeks of isolation.
Clearly, people either can't or won't follow the rules; apparently, they should have implemented strict controls and checkpoints at the pharmacies because, God forbid, you have to stay inside for a measly two or three weeks. No, we absolutely have to wander around, grab coffee with the neighbors, visit our elderly relatives, and host backyard BBQs.
Does everyone here live completely alone? Give me a break.🙄

I'm not in isolation, nor am I under suspicion. This past Saturday, I was driving home on I-95 from Washington, D.C., and over the next 168 miles I saw maybe 7 or 8 cars total.

I don't wander through stores; my tank is full.

I don't drink coffee, I don't smoke, and I don't touch alcohol. I don't go to bars or anything.

So tell me, why should I suffer because of a handful of morons from Washington, D.C. or Florida?

Besides, my county still hasn't seen any cases.

restlessmason54 said:I honestly think we should be arresting anyone who keeps flouting quarantine rules or ignoring the ban on gathering in public spaces. If they get caught up in this nonsense again, they should face at least a month behind bars.

And, if someone decides to get reckless or actually tries to bolt while being checked by authorities, let's just give the officers the green light to use lethal force.

🙏🙏🙏

It's not a revolution, but you know a revolution eats its own children, right?

Decisions like these? They eat their own children too.

positivax said:Seriously though...🙄
Why can't we just ban everyone in quarantine from going anywhere? Absolutely anywhere except maybe an ER if it’s a life-or-death thing. Threaten them with jail time and massive fines. You catch someone out of their house, they head straight to a strict quarantine and face $2667 penalties?
Just drop off all their groceries once a week based on a list and tell them to stay put.
It's easy enough to organize. Just go address by address.
I don't get why we can't just restrict those thousand people so they aren't wandering around with their families, strolling about, driving cross-country, or hanging out at CVS, grocery stores, or gas stations.

Honestly, it might be better if they just killed us all. That would definitely stop the virus from spreading.

I really don't get you people. My city has been a ghost town for days; there isn't a soul in sight.

What other "brilliant" measures are you guys planning to roll out?