Posts by neondriver7

darktinker4 said:🤣 are you being for real?
I honestly felt like I wanted to gouge my eyes out just to escape the boredom. This movie is just gross. There’s zero point to it—it doesn't have a beginning or an end. It’s like someone falls from the sky into the life of this totally deranged character who can't even pull off playing crazy. It feels like something filmed specifically for people in mental institutions; maybe if everyone watched this, they'd all suddenly be cured. Everyone was making fun of how Jared can't actually laugh, and then look at what he's doing here. Honestly, it's a miracle he didn't embarrass himself trying so hard to force the comedy. It feels like Jared is just pretending to laugh, which explains that sound. To me, it feels like his whole bit—that sarcastic, self-mocking laugh when there isn't even anything funny happening. And wow, since any random thing can win awards these days, I might as well film myself jumping on a trampoline in a wetsuit or something. 🤔the stupider it is, the more expensive it gets. 🐔

Whether you liked the movie or not, it doesn't change the fact that The Joker was a massive success. It pulled in over a billion dollars at the global box office.

Joseph Edwards4 said:🤣

Everyone is stuck inside their houses, so of course it's doing well. Nothing else is coming out, and nothing good will be anytime soon.

If this data convinces them to keep making this garbage, they'll go bankrupt fast. They're already losing billions because of the pandemic; what they make back on Video on Demand won't matter if they keep churning out these terrible movies. They don't stand a chance.

Honestly, DC needs to find a massive hit or some actually competent directing and writing teams immediately. What they've been doing for years is, to put it mildly, tragic.

Aquaman, Wonder Woman, and Joker were all huge hits.
Shazam turned a $74 million profit, so what are you even talking about?!

Birds of Prey has really strong critic scores too.
Plus, plenty of other movies are on Video on demand right now, but Birds of Prey is currently sitting at number one.

ruggedfalcon28 said:You can't just look at the production budget—you have to factor in the massive marketing spend too. To actually break even, a movie has to claw back every cent spent on filming *plus* every dollar poured into advertising. Real profit only starts once you clear that combined mountain of debt. It seems some people struggle with the math regarding why the 2016 Ghostbusters reboot was such a financial disaster—even though it pulled in $229 million against a $144 million budget. An amateur would look at those numbers and claim there was an $85 million profit ($229 - $144 = $85). Technically true, sure—but it ignores the ad campaign. Sony openly admitted the film needed to hit the $300 million mark just to break even. Since it only made $229 million, Sony ended up staring down a loss of about $70 million.

Minor tweaks aren't the issue—it's the massive shifts that fail. Since we're talking comics, let's get one thing straight: who actually founded the Birds of Prey? Is it Harley Quinn? It isn't! The founder is Barbara Gordon—the original Batgirl—who, after being paralyzed from the waist down by The Joker, decided to fight justice as a hacker known as Oracle, leading a team of heroes to handle the field work for her. In the comics, Harley Quinn has absolutely nothing to do with the Birds of Prey. How could she? She’s a chaotic criminal, while the Birds of Prey are actual heroes. Because Barbara Gordon is missing from the DCEU, this movie is trying to force two polar opposites together. That's what's bothering people—myself included.

That applies to pretty much every movie out there.
That's why we use the rule of thumb 2.5 times the production budget to calculate the Break-even point—basically the threshold where a movie finally moves into the black. It’s the standard math used across the whole industry.

Minor tweaks aren't the issue here; it's the massive shifts in direction that sting. If we're going to talk about comic book source material, let's get our facts straight: who actually founded Birds of Prey? Is it maybe Harley Quinn? No way! The founder is Barbara Gordon, the original Batgirl, who—after being paralyzed from the waist down due to the Joker—decided to fight for justice as a hacker known as Oracle, leading a team of bird-themed heroes to handle the field work for her. In the comics, Harley Quinn has absolutely zero connection to Birds of Prey. How could she? She's a chaotic criminal, while Birds of Prey are justice seekers. Because Barbara Gordon isn't part of the DCEU, this movie is trying to force two complete opposites together. That's what bugs so many people, myself included.

Harley Quinn is part of "Birds of Prey" in the more recent comic runs. I posted a picture of the cover above.
The DC universe operates on a Multiverse concept, meaning every reality has its own unique versions of characters and events. In the specific continuity currently followed by the comics, Harley Quinn is indeed a member of that team.

Joshua Kern said:Could someone please walk me through this recent Hollywood obsession where comic book villains are suddenly handed their own movies? It seems like the trend is to frame them as the protagonists, forcing us to watch them struggle against even more despicable antagonists, all while expecting the audience to somehow root for them.🤔 I just don't quite grasp the logic behind it. Harley Quinn is meant to be an adversary to Batman, a true antagonist, rather than some central figure who ends up walking away as the hero at the end of the film.

Harley Quinn has been an Antihero in the comics for years now. She’s long since moved past being just another villain; honestly, she’s more like Deadpool at this point.

graniteotter6 said:Whenever she brings up a movie, she immediately starts suffocating everyone with endless screenshots and canon debates 🤦

The film was just plain terrible.

And there you go, predictably starting to spit venom the moment DC Comics is mentioned. Isn't that just how it works? Honestly, we're both becoming pretty predictable at this point. ☕

analogwolf10 said:What an absolute, epic piece of LGBTQ+ trash this movie turned out to be... honestly, I’m just glad I grabbed it via a torrent so I didn't waste a single cent on this disaster.

It’s just the same old formula: a Black woman, an Asian woman, and some crazy girl. Apparently, if you want to be part of this crowd, you have to have short hair, identify as a lesbian, and then everything is just rainbows and sunshine, right?

I remember someone on the last thread saying the film was actually pretty decent, but did they really think that? Because from where I'm sitting, this thing was a massive financial flop. It pulled in maybe 200 million after spending 100 million on production, and that's without even touching the marketing budget.

85 million dollars was the actual budget.

As far as the characters go, it’s pretty obvious you haven't read the comics. In the source material, that Asian girl is a major player who eventually grows up to become Batgirl.

And for the record, Montoya is gay in the comics too.

All these characters are straight out of the comics. The biggest change they actually made was to Black Canary by making her Black. That's really it. So please, stop spreading such nonsense.









By the way, the Birds of Prey comic runs have been coming out since 1996.

The first posters.

A fresh little teaser just dropped:

A few days ago, things finally started picking up a little bit. Look, I’m just going to say it because someone clearly needs to: if we actually get a reshoot for this, we better hope they aren't just putting more Band-Aids on a sinking ship. I know everyone is buzzing about the possibility, but honestly, my heart isn't in it. It feels like we're trying to fix a fundamental design flaw by just repainting the walls. I’ve been sitting here ruminating on this for hours, and part of me—the cynical, slightly exhausted part—thinks we're just spinning our wheels. But then again, maybe I'm being too hard on them? I tend to do that. I get a bit carried away with my own frustrations, I know. Still, a reshoot shouldn't just be about fixing technical glitches; it needs to address the soul of the thing. If they don't get the tone right this time, all the extra production budget in America won't save it from being a total wash.I honestly feel like these movies are just going to lean heavily on their action sequences—or more accurately, they're going to try desperately to polish them up and make them look better than they actually are.

The director is actually going to step into the trenches himself to design and shoot all those new action sequences alongside the stunt team. John Wicka Chad Stahelski.

I also heard that during the reshoots, they’re planning to squeeze in some extra little bits here and there, like a few more flashback scenes to flesh things out. I honestly can't stop thinking about the whole dynamic between Harley and Joker. It’s one of those cinematic relationships that just refuses to stay buried, isn't it? You look at how they were portrayed in the past versus how things are shifting now, and it's such a mess of chaos and obsession. It's hard not to get worked up about it because there's so much layers to peel back, yet every time we think we've figured out their connection, it just spirals into more madness.Also, they're going to be filming it. So, I just sat through that post-credits scene, and honestly? My brain is still trying to process what exactly I just witnessed. You know how it is—you’re sitting there in the dark, waiting for the lights to come up, thinking the ride is over, and then suddenly they hit you with one last little tease. It's such a classic move, isn't it? They pull you back in right when you're starting to pack up your popcorn. It felt like a total gut punch, though, maybe a little too much of a tease for my liking. I'm sitting here wondering if it was actually meaningful or just a way to get us hyped for whatever comes next in the franchise. Part of me wants to be excited, but another part of me is just exhausted from all the buildup! Which one should we use as the teaser? I honestly can’t stop thinking about "The Suicide Squad." It’s one of those rare instances where a director takes a massive, messy concept and actually makes it sing through sheer force of will and style. You have to give credit to James Gunn; he stepped into this chaotic sandbox and managed to find a heartbeat in all that madness. It’s vibrant, it’s violent, and it’s unapologetically weird, which is exactly what I needed. I know some people get hung up on the fact that it's part of the broader DCEU landscape, but honestly, if you go in expecting a standard superhero slog, you’re going to be disappointed. This isn't that. It's more like a high-octane, blood-soaked fever dream. There’s a certain level of self-awareness here that most big-budget studio films are too terrified to touch. They lean into the absurdity rather than running from it, and that’s where the magic happens. Don't even get me started on the character work. Even when things get incredibly dark or grotesque, there's this underlying sense of humanity—or at least, a very colorful version of it—that keeps you anchored. It’s easy to get lost in the spectacle, but the momentum of the story carries you through the chaos. It’s loud, it’s messy, and yeah, maybe a little over-the-top at times, but I'll take that over a polished, soul-less blockbuster any day of the week. It’s got guts, and in today's cinematic climate, that feels like a miracle. I honestly can't get over how much I love talking about movies, but sometimes I feel like I'm just shouting into the void here. Where do we even start? There are so many films that have shaped my entire perspective on cinema, and I find myself constantly looping back to the same discussions. It feels like every time I try to dive deep into a specific genre or a director's filmography, I end up going down a rabbit hole that lasts for days. I know I tend to ramble, and yeah, maybe I get a little too worked up about certain plot holes or casting choices, but that's just how I am! I just want to talk about the craft, the storytelling, and why some movies stay with you forever while others just vanish from your memory the second the credits roll. James Gunna.

In that scene... Harley So, word on the street is they’re supposedly getting a brand-new costume—the exact same look they'll be sporting later on in that movie.





Lana Del Rey It looks like she actually recorded a song for the movie!

It looks like Katana (from Suicide Squad) and Vixen might be making appearances in this one too. Plus, the early buzz is suggesting that Black Mask is actually the best DCEU villain we've seen yet. https://www.google.com/amp/s/moviewe...ewan-mcgregor/

Finally, we've got our first official look at the Harley Quinn costumes from the movie.

They actually just wrapped filming on the movie recently. Honestly, the whole production process has been running incredibly smooth so far, which is a relief.

nimblemarlin6 said:DC just keeps doubling down on bad calls.

They could throw hundreds of millions at this nonsense and it still won't work—all they really need to do to make it worth it is get Batman and Superman right.

Look, if we’re being honest here, almost every single movie in the DCEU has been a massive hit at the box office—with the glaring exception of Justice League. Just look at the numbers. I honestly don't know where to start with Aquaman, but I feel like we need to have a serious conversation about it because my head is spinning. It’s one of those movies that just leaves you feeling completely conflicted, isn't it? On one hand, you have this massive, sweeping spectacle that feels like it was designed specifically to be played on an IMAX screen in a huge theater in downtown Chicago, and on the other hand, there’s this underlying sense of "wait, what am I actually watching?" It’s such a bizarre entry in the DCEU. You look at the sheer scale of the underwater kingdoms and the visual effects—which, let's be honest, were pretty stunning in their own way—and then you realize the plot is essentially a high-budget summer blockbuster that could have been written by an AI programmed exclusively on superhero tropes. It’s flashy, sure, but does it have substance? I find myself sitting there, halfway through a bucket of popcorn, wondering if I'm being sold a masterpiece or just a very expensive collection of CGI bubbles. Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the attempt to give the character his own space away from the heavy hitters like Batman or Superman, but it feels like it's constantly struggling to find its own identity. Is it a political drama about ocean kingdoms? Is it a family soap opera? Or is it just an action flick meant to move units? Sometimes it feels like all three, and because it tries to be everything at once, it ends up feeling a little scattered. I want to love it more than I do, I really do, but it’s hard to shake that feeling of emptiness once the credits roll and you're left staring at the screen in a dark theater. Look, I’m telling you, it wasn't Batman or even Superman, but this one managed to rake in way more cash than either of their movies has ever seen. I honestly don't know where to start with Suicide Squad, but my head is spinning just thinking about how much potential was left on the table. You have this incredible setup—this whole concept of a group of misfits being thrown together by the government—and yet, I can't help but feel like we were robbed of something truly legendary. It’s one of those movies that stays in your brain, not because it was perfect, but because you can't stop wondering "what if?" What if they had leaned harder into the chaos? What if the direction had been more cohesive? Don't get me wrong, there were flashes of absolute brilliance. The energy was there, the grit was there, and the visual style was unlike anything else we'd seen in the DCEU at the time. But then you hit those moments where the momentum just stalls out, and you find yourself sitting there, slightly annoyed, wishing the writers had just let the characters breathe for a second instead of rushing from one explosion to the next. It’s frustrating when you see talent being used as fuel for a runaway train that doesn't quite have its tracks laid down properly. And look, I’ll be the first to admit I’m probably being too hard on it—I tend to overanalyze everything until I’m basically yelling at my TV—but there's a real sense of missed opportunity here. We deserved a masterpiece, and what we got felt like a really high-budget fever dream that occasionally forgot it was supposed to tell a coherent story. It’s a wild ride, sure, but man, it’s a bumpy one. I mean, look at the numbers—they pulled in nearly $750 million worldwide just from the China market alone. Honestly, given that kind of massive haul, it’s not even surprising that we're being served this specific outcome. I honestly can't stop thinking about the whole idea of a Suicide Squad spin-off, and frankly, I’m feeling a little conflicted about where we go from here. On one hand, you have that chaotic energy that only a group of high-stakes misfits can bring to the screen, but on the other, I worry we're just spinning our wheels with the DCEU legacy. I mean, don't get me wrong, I love the concept of these characters being thrown together for some misguided government mission, but there's a fine line between a compelling character study and just more mindless explosions. I was reading some thoughts from neondriver7 earlier, and they made an interesting point about the direction the franchise should take, but I have to disagree slightly. It feels like if we're going to do this, it needs to be more than just another outing for the crew. We need something that actually builds the world rather than just recycling the same tropes we've seen since the early days. If James Gunn is involved in shaping the vibe, then maybe there's hope for something truly unique, but I'm always a bit skeptical when it comes to these massive studio mandates. It’s hard not to feel a bit cynical sometimes, especially when you've seen so many similar projects stumble right at the finish line. I want to be excited, I really do, but I also don't want to be disappointed when a potential masterpiece turns out to be just another mediocre blockbuster. So, here’s the deal: we’re actually looking at a real sequel to the Suicide Squad film dropping in 2021. And get this—that’s the same year we finally see the first major installment of the DCEU hit theaters. It's going to be a massive year for the franchise. So, I’ve been sitting here spiraling about this idea for a solo Batman film—specifically one that acts as a prequel, focusing on a version of Bruce Wayne who is about twenty years younger than what we usually see. Honestly, my brain won't stop chewing on it. Imagine getting to see the raw, unpolished origins, long before he becomes this seasoned, brooding legend. We wouldn't be looking at the polished icon; we'd be watching the messy, frantic evolution of a man trying to figure out if he can actually make a difference in a city that feels like it's rotting from the inside out. It’s such a massive opportunity to strip away the mythos and just focus on the grit and the mistakes of youth. I can already feel myself getting worked up just thinking about the potential for a much more kinetic, less "perfect" version of the Caped Crusader. It’s the kind of deep dive into his psyche that I think we desperately need. .

It looks like we might actually see Joker making an appearance in the movie after all.



So, Jared Leto just dropped this on his Instagram.

Mary Elizabeth Winstead playing The Huntress.







Harley Quinn sporting that customized dagger—which, if you're actually paying attention, is a direct nod to the recent comic book runs.

Black Canary behind-the-scenes shots from the set.

I honestly don't get why they decided to cast Black actors for this movie in the first place. Every single one of these characters is supposed to be Arab. Will Smith just doesn't fit the part at all when you're talking about Arab heritage.

A few more behind-the-scenes shots of Harley Quinn from the set.

Just dropped a super brief teaser trailer that basically just introduces the cast lineup.

A little behind-the-scenes shot from the set

Birds of Prey is the next installment in the MCU lineup, and if everything goes according to plan, we should be seeing it hit theaters around February 7, 2020.

The star of the show—though calling her a hero feels like a bit of a stretch, since she’s more of an anti-hero at heart—is going to be Harley Quinn.
The whole idea here is that this movie serves as the kickoff for a potential Harley Quinn trilogy..

It won't just be a solo act, though; alongside Huntress and Black Canary, we're getting some heavy hitters in the mix.

As for the bad guy, we've got Black Mask stepping into the spotlight, played by none other than Ewan McGregor.

The film is being helmed by Cathy Yan, but keep in mind that Margot Robbie is also on board as a producer, which basically means she'll have a massive say in the creative direction of the project.

stormyridge2 said:You’re talking about paying extra attention to diversity, right? Like, how they weren't even that progressive back in Ghostbusters (2016)? I mean, back then you just had three white women with college degrees and one "street smart" Black woman.

Why wasn't the main villain Latino?

Look, that was way back in 2016. In today's climate, that kind of casting wouldn't even fly. 😁