Posts by Carol Thompson

Peter Phillips32 said:It's about what's being said, not who's saying it. Reason prevails.
And besides, this ties right into the whole thing below...

But that's the whole point of being here—to actually think for yourself...
What you learn + actually using your brain = thinking for yourself.
If we're strictly sticking to "what we've been taught," then I guess every reply on this board should just be a link to a textbook or a Wikipedia page.

Well, look, I think both what is said and who is saying it matter quite a bit. So, I suppose I'll agree with you on this one: logic prevails.

The goal here is to encourage independent thought...
Learning something + processing it = independent thought.
If we only stick to what's already been taught, then every response could just be a list of links to books or Wikipedia entries...

If I understood the thread correctly, axe bobo was asking, "is change actually possible..." and looking for anyone with similar life experiences. The point wasn't to pass judgment or evaluate someone else's choices; I didn't see any questions like, "do you think I'm right or wrong?" or anything of that sort...
Maybe I completely missed the mark on what the topic was actually about... 🤷

nimblemaker52 said:The situation is quite straightforward. We are looking at a textbook case of auto-homophobia; no amount of psychiatrists or psychologists can fix that kind of internal bias.

And if the WHO doesn't even classify homosexuality as a disorder, then what on earth are you trying to "treat" or "help" people change? 🙄 Get your facts straight.

Look, I never actually stated that homosexuality is a disorder. 🤷 Quite the opposite—I pointed out that such views have been abandoned for a long time now. Far be it from me to try and "cure" anyone in that sense; I’m neither trained enough nor specialized in it, it isn't my field of interest, and I certainly don't believe anyone should be treated for being gay. If you had just read my posts a bit more carefully instead of taking everything as a personal attack (as if this entire thread is about you personally), maybe you’d calm down a little... 👎

redharbor9 said:So I guess they don't have names?

well now, maybe they were just lying when they said that and taught their students garbage.

When? Fifty years ago? The last guy teaching this was Gruden, and even he came to his senses after all the backlash he started getting for those kinds of ideas...

....the whole thing turned into more of a fight for gay rights than providing honest, unbiased help to Axe Bobo.

A fight for gay rights? Interesting take...

He got honest, unbiased help. And if you think he's actually gonna find a therapist willing to treat him... good luck. I doubt anyone would even dare to do it anymore...

Of course they have names, but I have no intention of naming names here... if you're truly curious, we can take it to PM, but not in public. Besides, even if I did give a name, do you really have any reason to trust me (or anyone else on this forum)??

When? Fifty years ago? The last one teaching that was Gruden, but even he came to his senses after the complaints started piling up regarding those kinds of ideas...

Just a few years ago (maybe 2 or 3)... honestly, I haven't even heard of Gruden before. 🤷 Maybe I'll look uneducated or uninformed because of this... everyone keeps attacking me over this one guy, and I have absolutely no clue who he is.

The fight for homosexual rights? An interesting phenomenon...

Good grief, now we're just twisting my words out of context... if that's how this thread is going to go, fine, then tell me exactly where I went wrong. It's possible I was imprecise or phrased things poorly...

Anyway, guys, I think some people are taking this way too personally. I don't have an issue with anyone. I answered axe bobo based strictly on what I've learned, without injecting my own opinions (which, let's face it, most people here fail to do).

redharbor9 said:Where are you getting that from? Science and actual experts have made it crystal clear that it isn't possible... You got a reference, a link, or a book you're basing this "fact" on?

if you're from Zion, there's a really solid team of psychologists at Ribbon, and some of them have actually specialized in issues regarding sexuality, sexual orientation, and identity.

But they HAVE NOT specialized in it and they DO NOT deal with changing sexual orientation.

the pros will get this: the DSM used to list homosexuality as a sexual deviation. Obviously, that stance was dropped, and now in the current DSM-4, there's a category for "unspecified sexual disorder" which refers to "persistent and significant distress caused by one's own sexual orientation."

What you're forgetting is that this disorder isn't diagnosed for just anyone who decides they don't want to be gay or wants to change.😉

The idea that change is possible comes from, say, professors and veteran clinical psychology experts over at Zillow. I mean, sure, maybe they were all lying when they taught their students... But if I have to choose between trusting an experienced specialist or some anonymous person on an internet forum, I think my answer is pretty obvious... ☕

Science and the profession don't actually hold a unified stance saying it's impossible. The truth is there are several conflicting viewpoints out there. And most of those disagreements are really just happening between the mainstream LGBTQ+ lobby and psychoanalysts... but at that point, we're talking about politics, power dynamics, and so on.
It’s honestly sad to see how many of you here are just pushing your own personal agendas. It feels like this whole thread has devolved into a fight for political correctness and rights rather than offering any sincere, unbiased help to slyraven9.

What you're forgetting is that this disorder isn't diagnosed in just anyone who decides they don't want to be gay or wants to change. 😉

I never said this disorder was being diagnosed in just anybody. Nor does the category of "unspecified sexual disorder" apply exclusively to homosexual orientation; it can apply to any orientation whatsoever.
That's exactly why I suggested slyraven9 should go see a professional to figure out what's actually going on with him...
And finally, even if that is indeed the disorder in question, changing one's orientation might only be one potential solution. As Drew Morgan pointed out, another option could simply be changing one's mindset and emotional outlook.
That's all from me.

slyraven9 said:Man, I’ve been wrestling with this one thing for what feels like forever, and honestly, I just don't know how to fix it. Looking at my own orientation, I’m either gay or bisexual—it kind of fluctuates—and it's starting to really get under my skin. Every single day, walking down the street, I hear people shouting things like, "What's wrong with those queers?" or "Someone should teach them a lesson," or "How can they even show their faces in public?" Look, I try to brush it off, I really do. I tell myself, "Hey, they're just being hateful, but hey, those people are still humans, even if they are the way they are." At first, I was fine with it. Just thought, *whatever, it is what it is, right?* I figured I just had to toughen up and deal with the noise. But after a while, it started eating at me. It created this constant, restless anxiety inside my chest. I see couples everywhere—just happy, totally in love—and I start spiraling. Like, why? Why did this happen to me? Why can't I feel what everyone else feels, you know? That spark with a woman? God, I just want to have a girlfriend. Not a boyfriend. I want to start a normal life, not... whatever this is. Did I even get a choice in the matter? Heck no! Eventually, I just hit a breaking point and told myself, "I don't want this." I don't want to be who I am. I just want a regular life with a girl who loves me, someone I can protect and look after. I want to love her, I want her body to drive me crazy, I want to be a man who loves women. But no matter how hard I try, it feels like I’m tethered to the ground. Like it's some impossible dream I'll never reach. Honestly, I’d rather not exist than keep living like this. I’ve been fighting this battle for so long now. I’ve tried watching lesbian porn—strictly girls—trying to ignore men entirely, doing my own thing to nothing but women, trying to figure out what makes their bodies exciting to me. After months of pure misery and struggling through it, I thought I finally made progress. I started feeling something for women, but it’s mostly just affection; their bodies only turn me on a little bit. Now everything is just a massive, confusing mess. Sometimes it's guys, sometimes it's girls. I'm totally lost and I don't know where to go from here. I know it sounds silly or unrealistic, but that’s truly how I feel. Right now, I just feel like the most pathetic creature on earth. I’m desperate.

So, I guess what I'm asking is... is it actually possible to change your sexual orientation?

Has anyone else ever gone through something similar? What does it even take to make a change like that?
How much time does it actually take? Has anyone ever truly succeeded? Please, seriously, any info would help me out. I honestly don't care if I end up being a firm bisexual or straight, as long as I'm not gay.

It IS possible to change one's sexual orientation. That isn't just my take on things—it's backed by scientific and professional consensus. Now, that doesn't mean every single person who wants to make that shift will succeed, but it is doable.
If you're living near Zillow, for instance, you could head over to Reebok; they have an excellent team of psychologists there, some of whom specialize specifically in matters of sexuality, orientation, and identity.
Plus, being in your adolescence actually works in your favor if you decide to pursue this path...

I see some people here claiming it's impossible. In my view, those folks are either uninformed, unprofessional, or simply biased.
The clinical reality is this: the DSM used to classify homosexuality as a deviation. Of course, that stance was abandoned long ago, and today's DSM-4 includes categories regarding "unspecified sexual disorders," which deal with "persistent and significant distress caused by one's own sexual orientation."
So, I'm not saying that's necessarily the case for axe_bobo, but he's the only one who can find out by sitting down with a specialist.

Good luck, axe_bobo, whatever you decide to do... 🙂

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:So, I was thinking about this earlier today—what exactly counts as pathological religiosity? It’s one of those things that’s kind of hard to pin down because it isn't always obvious, you know? Like, how do you even measure it without sounding like you're judging someone's personal faith? I guess if we're being real, it’s less about how much someone believes and more about how that belief starts to mess with their actual life. It’s when the whole thing stops being about spiritual comfort or finding meaning and starts turning into something... well, maybe a bit obsessive or even destructive. Maybe it shows up when someone starts pulling away from everything else—family, work, friends—just to focus on rituals or doctrines to an extreme degree. Or if they start making really irrational decisions based on these intense convictions that don't really line up with reality. It’s sort of like when a hobby becomes an addiction, but instead of it being about gaming or collecting stuff, it’s centered around religious practice. It’s a fine line, though. I mean, I think everyone has their own way of coping, right? But when that coping mechanism starts dictating every single move you make or causing genuine harm to yourself or the people around you, that’s probably where the "pathological" label starts to fit. It’s definitely a tricky subject to navigate without getting too deep into the weeds, but I guess that's just how it is. 😁I mean, are we talking about specific "religious" advice here? Like, could you maybe give me an example of what that looks like? I guess I'm also kind of wondering what exactly qualifies as "health" or having a "healthy worldview," but honestly, we can totally put that off for later if you want. No rush. 😍

Quincy:

I mean, looking at it this way, I guess religious belief isn't really a make-or-break factor when it comes to therapy. It’s kind of complicated, honestly. It could be used as a tool to help someone heal, it could potentially cause some friction or even do more harm than good, or—and maybe this is the most common path—it might not play a role in the process at all. It just depends on the situation, I suppose. 😉

So, I was thinking about what Jung said, and it kind of serves as a decent jumping-off point for this whole discussion. I mean, when you look at the world today, such a huge chunk of the population identifies with some kind of religion, and even those who don't, they're still pretty much shaped by the cultural leftovers that religious structures left behind. It’s like, if you trace civilization back through all those stages—from old-school totemism and mysticism to everything we deal with now—you realize how deeply intertwined the two are. I guess that's why I feel like we should actually take this topic seriously instead of just brushing it off. It makes me wonder, though... has there ever been an actual atheist society that really lasted? Like, one that was exclusively secular from the start? Maybe somewhere isolated, like a tiny island out in the Pacific Ocean? Just curious if anyone knows anything about that.

Quincy:

I mean, I think that's not quite right. There’s actually a way to measure religiosity—or rather, there are different ways to look at it. You have to consider the distinction between healthy spirituality and more pathological stuff, and then you've got all these different types like extrinsic, intrinsic, or even that searching kind of religiosity... I guess it's just more nuanced than that. So, I was thinking about this earlier, and it’s kind of wild how much certain types of religiousness—if you even want to call it that—seem to tie back to who we are as people. Like, there’s definitely a connection between how someone practices their faith and their actual personality traits, or maybe even how they handle things like anxiety or depression. It’s not just some random feeling either; I think there’s actually been a ton of research done on this stuff over the years. You see all these studies looking at how belief systems might overlap with specific behaviors or even deep-seated biases people carry around. It’s pretty heavy stuff when you really dig into it, I guess.

I mean, I guess it depends on what you’re actually looking for, right? Like, are we talking about a good spot for brunch in Chicago, or maybe a decent tech setup? I feel like everyone asks for recommendations without giving much to go on, haha. If you could give me even a tiny bit of context, I might be able to dig something up for you. Maybe?

You can find an explanation of pathological versus healthy religiosity in the textbook "psychology of religion" by Bo" Jackson. It’s a standard text used in American psychology programs.
Additionally, you might want to look up some research regarding the psychology of religion in various online academic databases. Though, mind you, most of those require a registration or even a paid subscription.
I apologize if I haven't been more specific; my schedule is quite packed at the moment, and since the topic was framed so theoretically, I don't want to rush out a half-baked response... 😉

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:So, I was thinking about this earlier today—what exactly counts as pathological religiosity? It’s one of those things that’s kind of hard to pin down because it isn't always obvious, you know? Like, how do you even measure it without sounding like you're judging someone's personal faith? I guess if we're being real, it’s less about how much someone believes and more about how that belief starts to mess with their actual life. It’s when the whole thing stops being about spiritual comfort or finding meaning and starts turning into something... well, maybe a bit obsessive or even destructive. Maybe it shows up when someone starts pulling away from everything else—family, work, friends—just to focus on rituals or doctrines to an extreme degree. Or if they start making really irrational decisions based on these intense convictions that don't really line up with reality. It’s sort of like when a hobby becomes an addiction, but instead of it being about gaming or collecting stuff, it’s centered around religious practice. It’s a fine line, though. I mean, I think everyone has their own way of coping, right? But when that coping mechanism starts dictating every single move you make or causing genuine harm to yourself or the people around you, that’s probably where the "pathological" label starts to fit. It’s definitely a tricky subject to navigate without getting too deep into the weeds, but I guess that's just how it is. 😁I mean, are we talking about specific "religious" advice here? Like, could you maybe give me an example of what that looks like? I guess I'm also kind of wondering what exactly qualifies as "health" or having a "healthy worldview," but honestly, we can totally put that off for later if you want. No rush. 😍

Quincy:

I mean, looking at it this way, I guess religious belief isn't really a make-or-break factor when it comes to therapy. It’s kind of complicated, honestly. It could be used as a tool to help someone heal, it could potentially cause some friction or even do more harm than good, or—and maybe this is the most common path—it might not play a role in the process at all. It just depends on the situation, I suppose. 😉

So, I was thinking about what Jung said, and it kind of serves as a decent jumping-off point for this whole discussion. I mean, when you look at the world today, such a huge chunk of the population identifies with some kind of religion, and even those who don't, they're still pretty much shaped by the cultural leftovers that religious structures left behind. It’s like, if you trace civilization back through all those stages—from old-school totemism and mysticism to everything we deal with now—you realize how deeply intertwined the two are. I guess that's why I feel like we should actually take this topic seriously instead of just brushing it off. It makes me wonder, though... has there ever been an actual atheist society that really lasted? Like, one that was exclusively secular from the start? Maybe somewhere isolated, like a tiny island out in the Pacific Ocean? Just curious if anyone knows anything about that.

Quincy:

I mean, I think that's not quite right. There’s actually a way to measure religiosity—or rather, there are different ways to look at it. You have to consider the distinction between healthy spirituality and more pathological stuff, and then you've got all these different types like extrinsic, intrinsic, or even that searching kind of religiosity... I guess it's just more nuanced than that. So, I was thinking about this earlier, and it’s kind of wild how much certain types of religiousness—if you even want to call it that—seem to tie back to who we are as people. Like, there’s definitely a connection between how someone practices their faith and their actual personality traits, or maybe even how they handle things like anxiety or depression. It’s not just some random feeling either; I think there’s actually been a ton of research done on this stuff over the years. You see all these studies looking at how belief systems might overlap with specific behaviors or even deep-seated biases people carry around. It’s pretty heavy stuff when you really dig into it, I guess.

I mean, I guess it depends on what you’re actually looking for, right? Like, are we talking about a good spot for brunch in Chicago, or maybe a decent tech setup? I feel like everyone asks for recommendations without giving much to go on, haha. If you could give me even a tiny bit of context, I might be able to dig something up for you. Maybe?

I don't quite follow this comment. I approached this topic with total seriousness, setting aside any particular personal bias to focus primarily on scientific findings related to the subject matter (and, of course, sharing only what I am personally familiar with).
Therefore, my brief answer remains the same: religious belief is not a deciding factor in therapy. It all depends on the individual and, naturally, their specific religious or non-religious worldview.

James Ramirez10 said:I can't seem to find 🤷

And yet, there’s always plenty of motivation to post on this forum every single day. Where does all that energy come from? I guess things aren't quite as bleak as they seem... 😉

feralhound55 said:It could be—just as it might not be essential for healing. I'm sure there are atheists out there who have managed mental health struggles their own way. Religion can certainly help if you find solace in it, but it isn't a requirement.

On the flip side, extreme religious fervor can definitely trigger psychological issues—there are plenty of ways that happens. Personally, I think anything accepted blindly, without any doubt or common sense, is harmful. And honestly, people prone to that kind of blind faith are often showing signs of instability right from the start.

There’s no way to measure "religiosity," so finding data that links specific faiths to certain illness rates seems pretty unreliable to me. You could attend Mass every single day and stay perfectly sane, or you could take one trip to India and come back completely unhinged. Everyone has their own limits.

I'd also point to things like "killing for God" or historical inquisitions—does being a criminal automatically make someone mentally ill?

I couldn't agree more. 👍 In fact, from what I understand, this is the exact perspective currently held by the scientific community and various mental health professionals.
A healthy relationship with faith can help someone navigate life's hardships, including mental illness. Psychotherapists are increasingly integrating a patient's faith into the therapeutic process (assuming, of course, that the patient is a believer).
On the flip side, unhealthy or pathological religiousness can actually fuel the development of an illness—if not cause it directly—and can certainly hinder recovery.
Atheists, naturally, can manage therapy just as effectively, provided they have a healthy worldview (as anyone else would).

So, religious belief isn't a prerequisite for therapy. It can be a tool, it can be a hindrance, or it can simply be absent... 😉

feralhound55 said:It could be—just as it might not be essential for healing. I'm sure there are atheists out there who have managed mental health struggles their own way. Religion can certainly help if you find solace in it, but it isn't a requirement.

On the flip side, extreme religious fervor can definitely trigger psychological issues—there are plenty of ways that happens. Personally, I think anything accepted blindly, without any doubt or common sense, is harmful. And honestly, people prone to that kind of blind faith are often showing signs of instability right from the start.

There’s no way to measure "religiosity," so finding data that links specific faiths to certain illness rates seems pretty unreliable to me. You could attend Mass every single day and stay perfectly sane, or you could take one trip to India and come back completely unhinged. Everyone has their own limits.

I'd also point to things like "killing for God" or historical inquisitions—does being a criminal automatically make someone mentally ill?

Not quite. There are metrics for religiosity—specifically regarding different dimensions, such as healthy versus pathological religiosity, as well as various types (extrinsic, intrinsic, or seeking religiosity)...
Certain types or dimensions of religiosity are indeed linked to specific personality traits, behaviors, biases, depression, and anxiety... there has been extensive research conducted on these very topics.

Jeremy Alvarez5 said:Alright, here we go. This thread is basically about the intersection of mental illness and religion—so half psychology, half theology. I guess I wonder if any actual scientists have ever dared to dig into whether specific types of mental disorders correlate with specific religions. Like, has anyone actually published data showing that a certain percentage of people with a particular condition belong to a certain faith?

It seems pretty clear that religion can be a really effective tool when helping people recover from addiction. You see it in those communities where they combine intense physical labor with prayer and deep religious conviction...

I’m honestly fascinated by this whole topic. I’d be super grateful for any thoughts you guys have, or even just some links or book recommendations if you know of anything good out there.

So, looking at Carl Gustav Jung, born in 1875, who went to boarding school in San Francisco, studied medicine, worked at a psychiatric hospital, taught at a university, and ran his own private practice. He had that whole complicated relationship with Sigmund Freud 🙂, developed his theories on personality, traveled around studying the traditions, history, and rituals of various tribes across Africa, the Americas, and India. He wrote about twenty books, including "Answer to job" [referring to the biblical figure, not a career job], and passed away in 1961. Interestingly, once he hit his 80s, he started working with a biographer who mentioned in her preface that he truly believed religious conviction plays a vital role in treating mental illness.

That leads me to my big question: if faith is so crucial for healing, could it also be a deciding factor in how these conditions develop in the first place?

Three, two, one... let's hear it!

PS

Since Jeremy Alvarez5 managed to kick off that discussion on suicide over in the philosophy section, which naturally flowed into spirituality and psychology, I was thinking it would be cool if this thread eventually made its way over there too. Ideally, I'd love to see this become a sort of grand tour through philosophy, religion, and spirituality—maybe even ending up in the history section down the road. Personally, I jump between all those subforums, but since some of the most interesting people I talk to here only tend to post where they feel most comfortable 🙂, maybe the mods could encourage them more? Maybe give them more space to speak up, share photos, or even memes and debates 😢. That way, I won't have to feel like a nuisance by reposting the same topic across every single board under different titles and trying to twist things to suit my own agenda, which—if I'm being honest—is something I tend to do. 🙂 Cheers to the hardworking moderators. 🙏 😍

I don't believe a study that broad has ever been conducted. As someone else pointed out, due to various operational and methodological hurdles, a research topic that wide and generalized is essentially impossible to execute.
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Kevin Kim2 said:Motivation doesn't exist without a motive.

When you have a crystal clear vision of what you want and—more importantly—why you want it, finding that drive becomes a whole lot easier.

I guess it feels like some people struggling with a lack of willpower aren't even truly certain if they actually want the things they're supposedly looking for motivation to achieve? Or maybe I'm just wrong. 🤷

I agree, though only to a point.
It's entirely possible—and certainly true in many cases—that a lack of motivation prevents someone from even being able to define their motives clearly in the first place.
However, I also know people who know exactly what they want and how they want it (their motives are crystal clear), yet they just can't seem to find the "spark" to actually make it happen.

Nicholas Edwards10 said:My faith is where I find my drive.

It’s the simple fact that that world is the only one worth working for... the eternal one.

Once you look at life through that lens, you realize there just isn't enough time left on the clock to waste on being lazy or unmotivated.

I think faith can be, and often is, a profound source of motivation and willpower for many. But (unfortunately?) that's only an option for those who believe. There are plenty of non-believers out there who have to look for their drive somewhere else entirely.

Nicole Barrett76 said:For me, too, this stems directly from my character.

My motivation does not fade, yet I find it profoundly difficult to abandon the pursuit of perfection.

Indeed, it is quite a precarious way to live.

A perfectionist, huh?? Sounds all too familiar... 😁 😉

Nicole Barrett76 said:And that’s precisely what I was getting at when I mentioned how risky it is to tie your motivation solely to achieving perfection.
If that's your only driver, and you fail to hit that flawless mark or things just go sideways, it's incredibly easy to lose your momentum... and maybe even your self-confidence along with it.
In my view, motivation should be anchored in something else—actually reaching a concrete goal (like finishing a project, passing an exam, or painting a picture...). Perfect execution can certainly be a nice little bonus that gives you an extra boost of willpower or grit. But if the result isn't perfect? You won't let that crush your entire drive.

That is precisely what I was attempting to convey in my previous post, though I fear my articulation fell short of my true intent! When we speak of concrete objectives rather than vague notions, my own driving force is to secure my financial future by age sixty; then, provided I am not struck by Alzheimer, I hope to dedicate my remaining years to mentoring young professionals entering the workforce. I want to teach them the realities of the professional world: how to temper fiery personalities, how to spark energy in the uninspired, how to help the withdrawn find their voice, and perhaps most importantly, how to teach the chatterboxes that they lack the official authority to interrupt others or presume to know what their colleagues are thinking. They simply need to learn to let people finish their thoughts without constant interference, even if they occasionally need a gentle nudge to stay on track.
But what about shorter-term objectives? Goals for the near future?? You're jumping straight to sixty! I feel like everything you just listed should be accomplished well before sixty, and then you can finally focus on refining things and enjoying the fruits of your labor... 😕 😉

Off-topic, but it seems like you have a particular distaste for the chatterboxes. 😲 😁
It might just be professional deformation... all those motivations sound like the job description for someone in a helping profession. Maybe I'm wrong... 🤔

Jason Hall34 said:I find myself in a similar boat; I have this deep-seated urge to do everything to the highest possible standard, though for me, it isn't really about motivation—it’s more of an inherent personality trait.
"What happens if you fail to achieve perfection because you lack the skill, or perhaps because the situation simply slips out of your hands? Does your drive just vanish right then and there? To be honest, I wouldn't want my motivation to be tied to such things—it feels far too volatile, like walking a tightrope with way too much tension at stake." 🤷

That is precisely why I believe it is vital to cultivate a sense of motivation that is grounded and well-prepared. If you rely on a fragile spark, then the moment a plan goes sideways, you risk losing your momentum or, even worse, giving up entirely. My thought is that if you are pursuing a goal with true, resilient purpose, you can navigate those moments where things spiral out of your control without letting it derail your entire mission...

That is precisely why I believe it is vital to cultivate a sense of motivation that is grounded and well-prepared. If you rely on a fragile spark, then the moment a plan goes sideways, you risk losing your momentum or, even worse, giving up entirely. My thought is that if you are pursuing a goal with true, resilient purpose, you can navigate those moments where things spiral out of your control without letting it derail your entire mission...

That is precisely why I believe it is vital to cultivate a sense of motivation that is grounded and well-prepared. If you rely on a fragile spark, then the moment a plan goes sideways, you risk losing your momentum or, even worse, giving up entirely. My thought is that if you are pursuing a goal with true, resilient purpose, you can navigate those moments where things spiral out of your control without letting it derail your entire mission...
And that’s precisely what I was getting at when I mentioned how risky it is to tie your motivation solely to achieving perfection.
If that's your only driver, and you fail to hit that flawless mark or things just go sideways, it's incredibly easy to lose your momentum... and maybe even your self-confidence along with it.
In my view, motivation should be anchored in something else—actually reaching a concrete goal (like finishing a project, passing an exam, or painting a picture...). Perfect execution can certainly be a nice little bonus that gives you an extra boost of willpower or grit. But if the result isn't perfect? You won't let that crush your entire drive.

Amanda Sullivan3 said:You make a fair point. It isn't exactly ideal. But honestly, as long as I'm breathing, I'm doing great!
My actual goal is just to live a happy life for as long as I possibly can, even if I don't always quite nail it...

Well, that's already a better motivator than just breathing! 🙂 Though, honestly, it feels a bit broad—more of a general life aspiration than a specific drive. Maybe try setting some more concrete, tangible goals... if you define what you actually want, the picture might become clearer and easier to grasp. You might even realize you're actually succeeding at things, bit by bit...

Nicole Barrett76 said:I find myself deeply motivated by the belief that if a task is worth undertaking, it is worth performing with absolute perfection. True excellence demands nothing less than profound patience, intense contemplation, unwavering consistency, and an unrelenting focus on the ultimate objective.

Moreover, when I am certain that a reward awaits me—provided, of course, that we aren't suddenly plunged into WW3, struck by a massive asteroid, or gripped by a debilitating illness—finding the drive to persevere becomes an effortless endeavor.

I’m pretty much the same way; I want to do everything as well as humanly possible, but for me, that isn't really the "motivation" part... it's more of a personality trait.
But what happens if you can't do something perfectly? What if you can't, or you don't know how, or it’s simply out of your control? Does all that motivation just evaporate? Honestly, I wouldn't want to be driven by that mindset—it seems far too risky, and the level of tension involved is just exhausting.🤷

Jason Hall34 said:I completely agree with you on that point... However, I think there’s a fine line you have to walk; you can't let those closest to you weigh so heavily on your psyche that they end up draining your drive entirely. In my view, motivation acts as the very path that leads you toward your objective, which means you occasionally have to learn how to tune out certain distractions or setbacks, otherwise, you risk losing your momentum altogether. After all, no goal is truly attainable if you aren't fueled by that internal spark, because without it, even the smallest hurdle can throw you off balance and tempt you to just pack it in and quit. I say this from my own personal experience, having seen firsthand just how transformative the results can be when you actually manage to stay driven...!!!!!

Oh, please. That’s never happened to me, nor do I think it ever could. I was simply pointing out that it's perfectly natural for our inner circle to impact us. For instance, if you’re spending all your mental bandwidth helping someone else find their spark, you're inevitably draining the energy and time meant for yourself. Personally, I would never allow things to escalate to the point where my own goals and motivation vanish entirely. If that were to happen, I doubt I'd have anything left to give—not to others, and certainly not to myself. 🤷And that would be a real disaster...

Amanda Sullivan3 said:Here’s a little something new to keep me going: as long as you’re still breathing, things are looking up. I can't exactly take you down just like that—not even with some intense 😁

Well, if that’s your primary or even your only motivation, I don't think that's particularly healthy.😕 We all share the basic biological necessity of breathing, but that happens on autopilot. It isn't really something you dwell on as a driving force behind your actions...

Michelle Hall64 said:Well, I think the issue for you might be that you’re relying too much on your environment. If the people around you are down, you go down with them. You should try to make sure your motivation and mood don't depend on other people at all; they need to come strictly from within you, so you can stay steady regardless of what's happening externally. 🙂

That’s a fair point in principle, though I don't think it quite applies here. Personally, my connection to my inner circle and those closest to me is incredibly vital. Because of that, if they’re hitting a rough patch, I certainly feel the impact—though I wouldn't say I automatically spiral right along with them.
As for the idea that my drive and mood should stem exclusively from within? That’s just impossible. Not for me, and frankly, not for anyone. We aren't islands; we are products of our society, our culture, our communities, and our families... there are endless influences at play, some we can shield ourselves from, and others we simply can't.
I assume you didn't mean that in such an absolute sense, but even so, my personal motivation—unlike certain other emotional states—doesn't lean quite as heavily on the actions of others. 🙂

Dana Richardson16 said:I try a few different things to stay motivated, because honestly, you really need it sometimes. For instance, when I’m struggling to focus on studying, I’ll stick some little motivational notes on my closet door. Since it's right in front of me, whenever my mind starts wandering, I catch a glimpse of them and it helps me get back to my books... stuff like that.
My friends help keep me going too—hearing about their wins or even their screw-ups (you know, you can learn from their mistakes) really helps, and then there's music😍... so yeah, just taking it one step at a time and pushing through life.☕

The idea of the sticky notes on the closet sounds interesting; I’m sure it actually works. 🙂 As for the friends and finding inspiration, that holds water too, though I think it’s more useful for those everyday little dips in motivation. For people who are truly stuck in the mud—those heavy-duty cases—it doesn't quite cut it.

gentletiger20 said:What was the realization? What was the actual takeaway? Where is the root of that lack of motivation coming from?
For me, it boiled down to fear—fear of life, fear of death, fear of missing the mark on my goals. I can't quite put my finger on how it happened, but I just made this choice to accept that failure is possible... that everything could go sideways at any second and I might not end up being the person I want to be. Once I let those thoughts sit there instead of running from them, the tension just... evaporated. And suddenly, I could actually move.

I know someone who struggles with that exact same thing—this paralyzing fear of failure, this feeling of not being good enough... it makes them feel like they're completely incapable of taking action or making a change. Could you go into a bit more detail (if you don't mind)? What specifically happened for you? Was there a particular turning point or a moment where things shifted? How does one actually learn to accept that possibility of failure when they're scared out of their wits?😁 🤷

Mark Nguyen6 said:Like I mentioned before, I really don't have much room left for imagining things. I've been in that exact spot more times than I can count. If we’re talking about extreme scenarios, I've reached points where I’d be sitting out on the balcony, feeling like everything was just totally hollow, and nothing felt worth doing—where it’s almost natural for the thought to cross your mind: "If I just jumped right now, what on earth would actually change, given how meaningless everything feels anyway?" (I'm not being suicidal, obviously; I'm just trying to illustrate that total lack of "connection to the rhythm" of life.)

But again, I really think basing a solution—or an entire life—on how someone happens to feel in a moment like that is just... well, it's futile. It's sort of like asking how a balloon can drive a nail into a wooden plank.

The answer is pretty straightforward: it can't.

Anyway, I won't keep rambling and dragging the conversation off course... sorry. 🙂

No, no, you completely missed my point... Of course you shouldn't base a decision on whether you "feel" like doing something (because that doesn't actually solve anything; it just means you're eventually settling for the problem). 🤷
The real issue is figuring out how to bridge the gap from that state of "I just can't" or "this is too hard" back to a state of actual motivation—that feeling of "I want to." You know what I mean? 🙂

Now, gentletiger20 made a great point about self-reflection—identifying causes and consequences, basically becoming aware of the problem before moving toward a fix. But here is what I am actually wondering: how do you begin that process? I'm not talking hypothetically, and I'm not just talking about myself (or whatever I mentioned at the start of this thread). How do you help someone else take that first step? And more importantly, what *is* that first concrete step? It would be incredibly helpful if someone could share some real-world experience... right now, we're all just guessing, more or less. 🤷

Mark Nguyen6 said:I don't really want to engage in an argument like that.
I don't have any desire to just churn out replies at any cost simply because I feel pressured to have an answer for everything. If that's how we're going to play this, maybe we should just end the discussion right now.

I would argue that framing it this way is essentially running from the truth and represents a certain laziness of the spirit.

I don't see any realistic possibility where someone simply "doesn't feel like" doing something (over a long period of time, obviously, I'm not talking about momentary lapses) when they "otherwise love it, find it interesting," etc.

just a general remark:
please don't think I'm throwing some "life templates" or similar cliches at you. I understand exactly what you're getting at; I haven't spent my days just staring at walls, simply not knowing what to do with myself while knowing perfectly well what I *wouldn't* do (because I wouldn't do anything since I'd have zero motivation).
However, I'll say again, that is quite normal for a person who is still forming themselves and whose identity hasn't fully crystallized yet. That's why I mentioned that everything I'm saying applies to people older than, say, 23 or 24. After that point, if these kinds of issues are still dominating their life, I am inclined to speak of delayed personality development.

By the way, since we are using metaphors, the issue isn't about climbing treadmills. As I said before, there isn't really anywhere to climb to. Treadmills are just... there, almost falling from the sky. A better metaphor might be not opening an umbrella and allowing the rain to fall on us (which helps nourish our potential). This usually happens during those rebellious years when a person is more prone to being against everything, perhaps unconsciously thinking that youthful vigor gives them the right to create things *ex nihilo*. And that is entirely necessary and healthy for that age. Just as it is equally necessary and healthy to upgrade that perspective in other stages of life.

That is precisely why my first question was: how old are you? 😉

No, you’ve missed my point entirely. When I mentioned having a ready-made answer for everything, I meant that you seem like someone who likely knows how they would act in various situations; at least generally speaking. From your tone, I get the sense that you have a solid foundation—that you aren't easily shaken by life... 👍
But my goal here is to see if, just for the duration of this debate, you could try to imagine you *don't* have those foundations. Try to step into the shoes of someone struggling with a profound lack of motivation...

Mark Nguyen6 said:I don't really want to engage in an argument like that.
I don't have any desire to just churn out replies at any cost simply because I feel pressured to have an answer for everything. If that's how we're going to play this, maybe we should just end the discussion right now.

I would argue that framing it this way is essentially running from the truth and represents a certain laziness of the spirit.

I don't see any realistic possibility where someone simply "doesn't feel like" doing something (over a long period of time, obviously, I'm not talking about momentary lapses) when they "otherwise love it, find it interesting," etc.

just a general remark:
please don't think I'm throwing some "life templates" or similar cliches at you. I understand exactly what you're getting at; I haven't spent my days just staring at walls, simply not knowing what to do with myself while knowing perfectly well what I *wouldn't* do (because I wouldn't do anything since I'd have zero motivation).
However, I'll say again, that is quite normal for a person who is still forming themselves and whose identity hasn't fully crystallized yet. That's why I mentioned that everything I'm saying applies to people older than, say, 23 or 24. After that point, if these kinds of issues are still dominating their life, I am inclined to speak of delayed personality development.

By the way, since we are using metaphors, the issue isn't about climbing treadmills. As I said before, there isn't really anywhere to climb to. Treadmills are just... there, almost falling from the sky. A better metaphor might be not opening an umbrella and allowing the rain to fall on us (which helps nourish our potential). This usually happens during those rebellious years when a person is more prone to being against everything, perhaps unconsciously thinking that youthful vigor gives them the right to create things *ex nihilo*. And that is entirely necessary and healthy for that age. Just as it is equally necessary and healthy to upgrade that perspective in other stages of life.

That is precisely why my first question was: how old are you? 😉

Believe me, looking at it this way isn't an escape from reality (at least not for me), because there are plenty of people—in my own circles and beyond—who actually live this reality. It is very real; there are people all around us for whom it is too difficult to engage in activities they supposedly love. I'm not talking about you or me, but we can't use our own experiences to draw conclusions about everyone else...

Mark Nguyen6 said:I don't really want to engage in an argument like that.
I don't have any desire to just churn out replies at any cost simply because I feel pressured to have an answer for everything. If that's how we're going to play this, maybe we should just end the discussion right now.

I would argue that framing it this way is essentially running from the truth and represents a certain laziness of the spirit.

I don't see any realistic possibility where someone simply "doesn't feel like" doing something (over a long period of time, obviously, I'm not talking about momentary lapses) when they "otherwise love it, find it interesting," etc.

just a general remark:
please don't think I'm throwing some "life templates" or similar cliches at you. I understand exactly what you're getting at; I haven't spent my days just staring at walls, simply not knowing what to do with myself while knowing perfectly well what I *wouldn't* do (because I wouldn't do anything since I'd have zero motivation).
However, I'll say again, that is quite normal for a person who is still forming themselves and whose identity hasn't fully crystallized yet. That's why I mentioned that everything I'm saying applies to people older than, say, 23 or 24. After that point, if these kinds of issues are still dominating their life, I am inclined to speak of delayed personality development.

By the way, since we are using metaphors, the issue isn't about climbing treadmills. As I said before, there isn't really anywhere to climb to. Treadmills are just... there, almost falling from the sky. A better metaphor might be not opening an umbrella and allowing the rain to fall on us (which helps nourish our potential). This usually happens during those rebellious years when a person is more prone to being against everything, perhaps unconsciously thinking that youthful vigor gives them the right to create things *ex nihilo*. And that is entirely necessary and healthy for that age. Just as it is equally necessary and healthy to upgrade that perspective in other stages of life.

That is precisely why my first question was: how old are you? 😉

Man, you are really hung up on that specific age range. I wasn't talking about teenagers either. We are discussing fully formed identities. All I can say is that I am well past that 23 or 24 threshold... 😁
So let's move past the whole "finding oneself," identity building, nihilism, and all that. Let's dive into the actual deep end of adult life, where these problems occasionally surface...😢

Mark Nguyen6 said:Oh, I don't think it works quite like that.
That is an extremely harsh form of relativism.

I didn't just invent the concept of duty any more than anyone else did (and certainly not me—though, I really shouldn't present myself as some hyper-super-mega-responsible figure... I've definitely cut corners before, believe me! 😁])—it doesn't just fall from the sky. It is learned, through upbringing, family examples, elementary school, and so on...
So, learning to live with the concept of duty isn't a category of absence that can be excused by saying "I see it this way or I see it that way." You wouldn't tell your stomach that you don't "see" the need to earn your bread (I'm oversimplifying here, but I think the point is clear).

The bottom line can't be a relative matter of "how everyone sees things." Duty is a very clear and visible concept (inspiration isn't part of it either, which is precisely the problem for those people, and the problem for those whose lives are built upon it).

And the actual bottom line is: people don't really have a problem with duty itself; they have a problem with the ego that refuses to accept that duty exists, rather than being the sole measure of what is meaningful.

And that leads to—megalomania.

PS.
We aren't in the military, but, if you find the willpower and write down every single action you take in one day (from the moment you wake up until you go to bed, including the tiniest details) and sort them into "inspiredly free" and "duties," you will be shocked by the results. And an unprepared person will be even more shocked when they realize that, somehow, the most meaningful actions are often the ones that have the least to do with being "inspiredly free." Truly free and meaningful moments are incredibly rare, even throughout human history. Most often, once you peel back the surface, you end up with this:

- What would you do if you could do whatever you wanted?
- I don't know, I'd travel the world and meet new people.

And honestly, I can't deal with that supposed "individuality" that half of humanity claims to have (everyone wants to do that). Not to mention that most people haven't even met their next-door neighbor. (Now, this is bordering on off-topic, though I don't really think it is)

It goes without saying (also), I am speaking about people older than, say, twenty-five.

I suspect Apple was suggesting that "you don't see it because you have it, while others see it because they lack it" wasn't about a lack of motivation, but rather about duty itself. In other words, perhaps you've simply never found yourself in a situation where you felt such a profound void of motivation—where you lacked the strength for basic activities and desperately needed an external spark because you couldn't find one within yourself. Some people hit that wall, and they feel it (or see it) as a missing piece: a driver, a catalyst. If I'm not mistaken, I think that was the core of that relativistic point.

Of course, that can be more or less tied back to one's sense of duty. But I think the whole thing is a bit more nuanced than what you're laying out. You mentioned that duty is a clear, visible concept and that it's something learned (it doesn't just fall from the sky). I can agree with both points. However, the relationship between duty as a visible concept and duty as a learned behavior can vary wildly. It might be argued that when people get deeply stuck in a state of zero motivation, they usually fall into one of two camps:
1. These individuals may never have truly internalized the concept of duty. So, when life throws them a curveball—stress, loss, whatever—they lose their drive and sense of purpose much more easily, and it's significantly harder for them to bounce back because there's no sense of obligation holding them steady;
2. Even those who have fully embraced and mastered their duties can sometimes just... stall. They hit a state where they can't see a way out, despite knowing what they ought to do. Sometimes, without a fundamental sense of joy or purpose in life, nothing else is strong enough to move a person. (Perhaps this is harder for you to grasp if you've never been in that headspace 🤷).
Those are just two possible scenarios, obviously.

Naturally, there are a thousand other factors that can break a person down—laziness, avoidance, certain personality traits... but we have to simplify things a little. (It's been quite straightforward up until now) 😁

Mark Nguyen6 said:It’s all going well—well, at least until the fighting starts. 🙂

Mark Nguyen6

It’s perfectly natural—honestly, it would be downright pathological if those moments didn't happen every once in a while.
We aren't robots, you know.

I wouldn't go so far as to say it’s something for a psychiatrist—there’s plenty of work to be done, I suppose—so these are just fairly normal things, really. 🙂

I don't really need other people around just to have something to think about or talk about—it’s always enough to just sit and stare at my own messes. I've stumbled over my own mistakes a billion times already (and if God wills it, I'll probably trip up a few more times too). 🙂 )

I honestly don't know what to do about these final exams... I feel like I’d go through hell and back—literally—just to get through them. But then again, if I realized I just couldn't do it—if it felt so utterly pointless that I simply couldn't bring myself to face it—I might just walk away from college and the exams entirely. I've managed to get myself tangled up in something completely absurd. Don't even ask me what it is, because I can't even remember the specifics right now. 🙂

Well, since I finished college quite a while ago—and this isn't really about my academic years anymore—I can give you a better idea of where I stand right now. To be honest, I’m currently in a stretch where I am absolutely buried under work. It’s not that I lack motivation, per se, or that I just don't feel like doing it—it’s more that I’ve reached a point of genuine burnout. But then again, I have to ask myself: who am I to complicate a perfectly reasonable situation—you know, having a job and being able to sustain oneself—with these almost teenage excuses like "I don't feel like it" or "I'm not motivated"? Of course, I say this with the understanding that this is just a phase. If this feeling were to persist long enough to be something more than just a temporary slump—perhaps fueled by exhaustion, a lack of any real time off, or just a desperate craving for a vacation that feels lightyears away—then I suppose I would actually look into changing jobs and my general circumstances.

Perhaps, yes. Duty is—in my view—one of those fundamental pillars of life.

They are out there growing... all around us, I guess. 😁

Alright, I see you have a ready-made rebuttal for everything. 😉
But try looking at it from this angle, sticking to your own example about work:
So, you "don't feel like working," or things have become too heavy and you can't find any purpose in it—but none of this is actually caused by the nature of the job itself (since you mentioned it was a job you actually enjoyed and found interesting...). Therefore, switching careers won't fix your problem. You'll just find yourself in the exact same spot at a new company... because the issue follows you. If you suddenly find that *no* job feels worth doing, then the core of the problem lies within you, not the office. To actually solve this, you need to do some internal work. But WHAT exactly?

(To use a metaphor: the solution isn't to switch conveyor belts, because you can't climb onto any of them in the first place).

Mark Nguyen6 said:ae, yes, that is precisely what I meant regarding megalomania. No offense intended, of course.

My point is, I don't see why I would need any sort of motivation for basic daily activities. Life isn't some non-stop Hollywood party or a continuous art performance where you supposedly need constant inspiration or a special spark just to function normally and handle the routine stuff. Besides, if we require inspiration for everything, then the very concept of duty becomes impossible—which, I guess, is a symptom of this modern era and its obsession with slogans like "just live your best life" or "embrace the joy."
Simply put, a will to live is not the same thing as motivation or inspiration (and, in my view, it should never be conflated with them).

Of course, I am speaking strictly within the context of standard functioning here—I am certainly not referring to clinical diagnoses, depression, or a total loss of the will to live, or anything of that nature.

Man, if you hadn't added that last part—things could have gone south very quickly! 😁
You hit the nail on the head; we are discussing life within the framework of normal functioning. Even then, life isn't a flat line—it has its peaks and valleys... its ups and downs. 😉

Sometimes, for all sorts of reasons, people hit a wall. They get stuck and they can't find—or maybe they just don't want to find—the drive to actually "get moving." So what happens then? What do you do when you're stuck?
For the sake of keeping this discussion productive, let's try a thought experiment: imagine you suddenly lack any motivation for your daily life. Say you're in your final year at UCLA and you realize you just can't bring yourself to pass those last few exams because nothing seems to matter anymore... what would you do? (And please, don't just tell me "I'd see a psychiatrist, everything is within the realm of normal.") 😉

Actually, that bit about duty could be an entirely new topic. Where do men like you come from nowadays: driven, disciplined, and truly understanding the weight of duty...? 😁 👍

I honestly think we need to take a step back and look at the bigger picture here. It’s easy to get caught up in the immediate noise, but if you really sit with it... things aren't quite adding up. There’s a certain pattern emerging that most people are just glossing over because it's uncomfortable. We see these trends shifting, much like how a major tech giant might pivot their entire strategy overnight, and yet we act like everything is business as usual. It isn't. Not really. I was reading some analysis earlier—nothing too heavy, just some commentary on how market shifts affect the average consumer in cities like Chicago or Seattle—and it hit me. We are reacting to symptoms rather than the actual cause. It’s like watching a slow-motion train wreck and complaining about the dust instead of the tracks... Anyway, I'm curious what everyone else thinks. Are we all just collectively deciding to ignore the obvious? Or am I just being overly cynical today? Perhaps a bit of both... kaže:
From my own limited experience, I can't help but feel like we’re missing a proper opening here...
It’s a beautiful question, really: how on earth do you actually find the motivation to keep going?
No, we’re missing the second vital piece of the puzzle here. What exactly is the motivation behind all this?

The author claims to have less drive and willpower than everyone else... But that raises a fundamental question: what is it they’re actually chasing? And more importantly, what about you? Motivation isn't some universal constant; it varies from person to person, just as our ultimate goals rarely align...

I didn't want to start this thread on a narrow note. I deliberately kept things broad because I’m not looking to vent about my own specific drama or some hypothetical scenario... I'm actually interested in hearing about your diverse experiences. How do you all handle it? What are the proven methods you've used when you've found yourselves stuck in one of those ruts where motivation just completely evaporates...
Of course, everyone’s individual circumstances and experiences regarding this issue will vary... but I’m convinced there are still underlying patterns we can uncover. That’s really what I’m trying to get at.

Mark Nguyen6 said:Heh... I suppose these questions might be a bit intense for a single forum—especially one like this. (Mind you, the questions themselves are excellent; please don't take that the wrong way!)

First off, if you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
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1) Personally, I don't really engage in self-motivation. I don't have those megalomaniacal urges to view myself as some sort of creator of everything—certainly not the creator of life itself. Life is already quite rich and wonderful enough that I think any attempt by a person to add to or subtract from it in that sense is unnecessary. At most, I believe we can simply listen to it and try to accept its rhythms. If we do that, the highs and lows usually take care of themselves—and since you really can't have one without the other, it seems somewhat futile to crave the peaks while rejecting the valleys, or vice versa. I'd almost call that kind of resistance a violation of life's natural flow.
As for how to handle daily responsibilities when inspiration inevitably runs dry—well, that's where the Stoics come in. It isn't about some grand philosophy or a magic wand; it’s more about just accepting what needs to be done and getting on with it, even when you least feel like it.

2) Just love. And I don't mean some abstract, Platonic concept here. I mean making it clear through one's actual way of living that they are the priority. There are countless ways to demonstrate that.

PS.
That's a lovely signature.

I’d rather not get into my age. Like I said before, I have no desire to turn this entire conversation into a discussion about myself...

I think I follow your drift when you say that self-motivation isn't quite the right way to put it. Maybe "self-motivation" is a clunky term, but honestly, that just depends on your own personal philosophy and how you choose to frame things... I believe my point came through regardless, but if that particular phrasing rubs you the wrong way, feel free to use whatever terminology works better for you. 😉
I’m somewhat in agreement with your take on maintaining a balanced life, but I have to wonder... what happens when someone lacks that sense of equilibrium right from the jump? How do you actually find your way back onto the beaten path once you've strayed? What if you find yourself stuck deep in a valley and just can't seem to climb your way out... 🤷

I think Sandra Parker3 hit the nail on the head regarding the Color...

Sandra Parker3 said:The actual subject here is how to find the motivation to handle everyday life tasks.
But you’re over here telling me to "listen to life," so let me simplify this a bit.

How about you tell me... how am I supposed to find the motivation to actually start listening to life in the first place?
Everything boils down to having the drive to take that very first step, doesn't it?

And honestly, there's no point in diving into deep philosophical schools of thought either, because you need that exact same spark of motivation just to study them. 😁

So, where exactly does one even begin? And more importantly... how do you actually pull off that very first step?

Mark Nguyen6 said:Heh... I suppose these questions might be a bit intense for a single forum—especially one like this. (Mind you, the questions themselves are excellent; please don't take that the wrong way!)

First off, if you don't mind me asking, how old are you?
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1) Personally, I don't really engage in self-motivation. I don't have those megalomaniacal urges to view myself as some sort of creator of everything—certainly not the creator of life itself. Life is already quite rich and wonderful enough that I think any attempt by a person to add to or subtract from it in that sense is unnecessary. At most, I believe we can simply listen to it and try to accept its rhythms. If we do that, the highs and lows usually take care of themselves—and since you really can't have one without the other, it seems somewhat futile to crave the peaks while rejecting the valleys, or vice versa. I'd almost call that kind of resistance a violation of life's natural flow.
As for how to handle daily responsibilities when inspiration inevitably runs dry—well, that's where the Stoics come in. It isn't about some grand philosophy or a magic wand; it’s more about just accepting what needs to be done and getting on with it, even when you least feel like it.

2) Just love. And I don't mean some abstract, Platonic concept here. I mean making it clear through one's actual way of living that they are the priority. There are countless ways to demonstrate that.

PS.
That's a lovely signature.

See, this is where I struggle. It sounds beautiful on paper, but in the real world, it doesn't always hold up. You can absolutely adore someone and prove it through your actions every single day, yet somehow, it still feels like it isn't enough. So, what then?? 😕