Posts by Walter Edwards

I honestly don't even know where to start with this mess—it’s just one of those days where everything feels like a slow-motion train wreck. I was scrolling through some of the threads earlier and saw what swiftlynx34 was throwing out there, and man, it just highlights how little anyone actually gets about how things work around here. People love to jump to conclusions without looking at the actual data—it's exhausting. Then you've got guys like Bryan Adams6 acting like they've cracked the code, when really, they're just shouting into the void. It’s all noise. Pure noise. You see these discussions popping up—half of them are just people venting because they're frustrated with the current state of things in America—and the other half are just people trying to sound smarter than they actually are. It's a cycle. We deal with the same old gripes, the same outdated logic, and then we act surprised when nothing changes. It’s almost funny if you have enough distance from it, but when you're stuck in the middle of it? Not so much. Just my two cents, though. Don't mind me. kaže:
I've got a question for you guys. So, say I’m betting on there being a break in every match, but I’m not bumping up my stake every single time it doesn't happen—is there any risk of getting kicked out by the sportsbook? I mean, eventually, a break *has* to happen. It's nearly impossible for a match to go the whole way without one, and if it doesn't happen in this set, it'll happen in the next one, or the one after that. Will they flag me for it?

Look, they aren't just gonna kick you out of nowhere—that’s not how this works. What actually happens is you'll hit the ceiling, reach your limit, and then suddenly you're stuck. You won't be able to double up anymore. Period. 🙂

I honestly don't know why people even bother getting worked up about this stuff anymore—it’s just the same old cycle, isn't it? Every time we think we've finally seen the bottom, someone decides to dig a little deeper just for the hell of it. I was reading through some of the recent chatter, and man, the sheer level of optimism in some of these threads is almost painful to witness. It’s like watching someone try to fix a sinking ship with nothing but Scotch tape and good vibes. Anyway, I've been sitting here thinking about that whole mess from last week—you know, the one everyone was acting like was some kind of monumental turning point? Total nonsense. We all saw it coming. It’s just noise. At this point, if you aren't looking at the actual data and ignoring the frantic shouting, you're basically just asking to get burned. But hey, that's what people do, right? They chase the hype until they realize there's nothing left but empty pockets and regret. Just my two cents, though. Take it or leave it. kaže:
So, I’ve been seeing some of the more seasoned folks around here mentioning that moving cash from PayPal over to your bank account usually takes about two days tops—but clearly, they haven't met my luck. I pulled my funds out to my foreign currency account way back on Thursday, and honestly? Still nothing. Not a cent. Just sitting there waiting while the clock ticks. 🤷

Is this just the usual weekend lag, or should I actually bother sending them an email?

Just hang tight—it’s probably gonna drag on for more than two days. Honestly, don't even bother reaching out to them until those numbers hit double digits. Just wait it out. 😉

Robert Foster86 said:Hey there. So I managed to score some cash over at Bet365, but now when I try to hit the withdraw button, it tells me they need to give me a call. Does anyone actually know how this works? Like, do I need to be fluent in English or what? Or is it just some automated bot thing?

Basically, you gotta have smooth English—speaking and writing—and then they grill you with three general knowledge questions about the USA, two sports questions, and one random "wild card" question. Depending on how many you nail, you get a certain percentage of your funds. If you tank it, you've gotta wait 7 days before you can try again.

Jose Peterson7 said:Is this actually legit? People say Pinnacle doesn't have any real competition when you compare them to the standard US sportsbooks. Fewer sports, less fancy prop betting, but the limits are massive.

Authorization: Doesn't exist—above every single market, it tells you exactly how much you can put down every minute!!! So if the limit is 7,000 Dollars on the Premier League, you can drop another 7,000 Dollars every single minute!

Account bans: Never heard of it happening. They actually brag about taking in "sharks" (those high-rolling US pros dropping 100,000 Dollars per match). Thanks in advance.

I wouldn't say there are fewer sports, but yeah, the prop markets are pretty limited, and the limits are just what they are.

There’s no such thing as authorization issues, but limits definitely exist, and they show up right above every "column." The limit per hit is a different story—when you hover over a specific box, it shows up, unless the full limit (the one mentioned above) isn't wide open, in which case nothing shows up at all.

Bans are a thing, but usually only for specific leagues or sports. If you've been cleaning them out on, say, Hockey, Division I, you might find your max bet capped at 1 Dollar. For everything else, you'll still have a "normal" limit, though I've noticed those limits fluctuate slightly from user to user (again, only applies to certain leagues and sports).

wiredpilot2 said:The absolute bare minimum you're looking at is two days for all the sportsbooks—assuming you actually sent over your ID and documents for verification...

Yeah, two business days is the standard for most of them, but if you're using Pinnacle, Fonbet, Leonbets, Bwin (provided you've got that gold status in their loyalty program), or some of those non-European books, they can usually knock it out within 24 hours.

Michael Young2 said:[Basketball] [NBA] [Game] Detroit Pistons vs Houston Rockets. All bets taken on [Total] from 1/17/2012 7:12:34 AM to 1/17/2012 7:12:37 AM have been voided due to the following reason: [The offering was compromised due to a typographical error.] Sorry for the inconvenience.

I put some action on Hendi for the Rockets, but they didn't void my bet—is this thing only applying to the moneylines?? I'm using Pinnacle, by the way.

Thanks in advance.

Nah, that only applies to the over/under totals, and even then, only for that tiny window they listed—like, three seconds?!

blueeagle8 said:Hey there. Honestly, I’m just stoked about this sub-forum...🙂

So, a few quick questions

Basically, I've got my Bank Account registered, finished the card verification, and now I'm just waiting on that zip code. Once I punch that in and wrap up that part of the verification, am I actually going to need to send Moneybookers a scan of my passport and my Credit Card Number? Is that something Bank Account services usually demand?

I've already got accounts open at Pinnacle, Bet365, and Expekt. Now, if I'm planning to move funds from Moneybookers over to the sportsbooks, will a simple scan of my passport be enough to verify everything—or do they need a shot of the specific card I used to fund my Moneybookers account too?? And how do I actually know when I'm cleared to deposit and withdraw? Does the sportsbook send an email saying the account is verified, and how long does that usually take?

One more thing. Aside from Moneybookers, what’s the next best "online wallet" out there? Looking for something reliable with fast payouts... if anyone has a link.

Thanks in advance for the help. 😉

Moneybookers will hit you up via email if they need anything else; otherwise, those other verifications are pretty much optional. Basically, you only bother doing them if you're looking to bump up your transfer limits.

Regarding those sportsbooks you mentioned—if you're moving money back and forth with Moneybookers, they often won't even ask for ID verification. Even if they do, a scan of your passport, driver's license, or a utility bill is usually plenty to confirm your name and address. Nobody is going to ask for a photo of the card you used to fund your Moneybookers account. You won't get some official "welcome to the club" email either; they just process the payout (assuming they haven't flagged you for ID first, which rarely happens unless something looks fishy).

As far as other online wallets go, the main one available to us here alongside Moneybookers is Neteller. In certain areas, you can grab "Paysafecard" vouchers, and there's also Ukash (which is similar to Paysafecard), Entropay, Click2pay, etc., but I haven't really had any reason to mess around with those myself...

In theory, any card with a CVV/CVC on the back should be totally fine for online shopping, PayPal, Moneybookers, or hitting up some betting sites. But here’s the kicker—some of our local banks (like Chase, for example) don't even have those online features activated at all. So, cards from Chase—at least based on my experience a few years back, though I haven't checked lately—are basically useless for those kinds of online transactions, even if they actually have the code printed on them. It’s not an issue with the card itself; it’s the bank being difficult.

As far as I know, banks like JP Morgan Chase and Wells Fargo definitely issue cards that work for this stuff. I’ve heard similar things about Bank of America, but I can't say for sure.

Also, just a heads-up: you can't use an American Express card for gambling purposes—that's just their corporate policy. There’s a little workaround to bypass it, but honestly, I doubt anyone here even carries an Amex, otherwise, we probably wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Joshua Garcia8 said:Thanks 🙏

Right now I'm just using USD from my foreign currency account—it’s what I use at the betting sites too, so everything stays in USD and there isn't any annoying conversion math involved. 🙂

Honestly, that's pretty much the only crucial detail you need to watch out for. Once an account has a transaction history, you're stuck; you can't just swap the account currency whenever you feel like it. Basically, once you make that first move, the die is cast—no more changing currencies. You can only pick your preferred currency while the account is still totally fresh.

When I set mine up years ago, I wasn't paying attention and picked the wrong currency entirely. It was a total headache trying to fix everything so I wouldn't lose a mountain of cash on exchange fees—I even threatened to jump ship to Neteller just to get it sorted. 😁

Joshua Garcia8 said:Yeah, looks like that's exactly where the catch is.

Honestly, I’m seriously thinking about just switching over to a Bank Account—I actually reached out once to see if anyone here had any real experience with it, but man, total radio silence. Not a single soul stepped up to help. 😢

Look, an MB account isn't exactly online gambling itself, but since it’s tied into the same ecosystem, we might as well talk about it here.
So, what’s the actual drill here—registration and all that jazz? How long does the whole thing take from start to finish? I’m assuming if I're hitting them up with a Bank Account transfer, the funds show up instantly, but pulling money back out to my Bank Account takes a few days or what? Also, do they demand paperwork? If they need documents, what kind of stuff are we talking about, and how do you actually send it over—I'm guessing it's just an upload, right? And what’s the deal with the currency situation? Can you actually pick which one you want to use, or do they just force whatever currency matches your home country on you? One last thing for now—and this should be enough to get me started—what are their fees like? Is it a percentage of the total or a flat fee, and do they pull that annoying move where the first one a month is free and then they nickel and dime you for everything else? Honestly, you probably should have just kept your mouth shut. 🙂

You can get registered almost instantly—it’ll take you maybe 15 minutes tops to knock out all those fields. Once that's done, just add a credit card or link a bank account (honestly, you can do both, or even throw in a few different ones if you want). Everything runs through your email—think of it as your username—so for heaven's sake, make sure you use an email address with a solid, secure password. Don't be that guy.
You’re almost certainly going to have to send over documents—not just because you want to bump up your limits (since being "fully verified" usually means higher transfer caps), but because they have to play by their whole "anti-money laundering policy" rulebook. You’ll be uploading scans of your ID, utility bills, bank statements, and all that jazz just so they can verify who you are and where you live. They might even go old-school and mail a physical code to your house to confirm your address. Verifying your account or card is pretty straightforward, too—for the bank account, you basically just deposit a few bucks, and for the card, they’ll run a tiny charge, maybe like $0.50 to $5.00, and then you just report back exactly how much they took. Just a heads-up though: be a little careful there and give it a couple of days before you try to enter the amount. Since you have to input the figure down to the cent, and banks sometimes tweak the display slightly—especially if there's any currency conversion involved—you don't want to get it wrong.
Look, if you're choosing between different currencies, my advice is simple: stick to whatever you already have sitting in your betting accounts. Why? Because those conversion fees absolutely murder your balance. It’s just plain stupid to get hit with double conversions—like going from the bookie to your Bank Account and then from your Bank Account to your main savings. You really want the same currency across the board—your bookies, your Bank Account, everything. If you're dealing in USD, just keep it all in USD. Some guy above already broke down the percentages for you, but honestly, it all depends on how "active" you are with the account and what you're actually using it for. If the bank flags you as a "commercial" account—meaning they think you're selling goods or services to private individuals—the fees will skyrocket. But if it's strictly for gaming purposes? It shouldn't be that bad. As for whether they charge a flat fee or a percentage, that just comes down to how you're depositing and withdrawing. When you put money into a bookie, it hits instantly. When you pull money out, though, it's a total crapshoot depending on which site you're using. Pinnacle, Leonbets, and Fonbet are basically lightning-fast—we're talking a few hours at most. If you're using US-based books, expect it to take a day or two. Then you've got B365, Expekt, and those other Scandinavian types, or Bwin, where it could take anywhere from a few hours to five whole days. Once the money actually leaves the bookie to go back to your bank, it just depends on how fast your bank moves—usually a couple of days max.

Robert Harris4 said:Look, betting isn't some little hobby for my guys—it's a business, plain and simple. Just stay away from those online sites like Bwin or Bet365; the headache of actually getting your cash out, not to mention a dozen other issues, just isn't worth it. Based on my own experience, if you want to do this, stick to local US bookies that have an online presence—getting your money is way smoother. For anyone interested in the online scene, you can find more details over on my personal forum chat. You can follow my live betting moves there too; I don't bet for fun, I bet to make a profit. If you don't believe me, just check the winning slips posted on the forum.

You sound weirdly familiar. Wait—were you the same guy a few years back spamming everywhere under the handle "Milanko"? You had that blog and kept droning on about "professional" betting and how it was all a massive business opportunity, right? I see you haven't changed a bit. Honestly, I don't even have the energy to try and dismantle your arguments anymore—there's just no point.🙄

copperdrifter24 said:Hey there, good people... I'm pretty young and a total newbie when it comes to betting, so I decided to join this forum to hopefully pick up some wisdom from the veterans here..
I want to open an account with an online sportsbook, but I have no clue which one to pick????? Most people don't seem too thrilled with Bet-at-home, if I'm reading the room right... maybe I'm wrong, but that's why I'm asking you guys—which one should I go with????? Also, another thing—I want to deposit about $50 and start betting exclusively on draws by doubling my stakes.. I’d start with $1, then $2, $4, $8, $16, $32 because I'm hoping—REALLY HOPING—that the Italians, say Fiorentina, can't pull off more than five games in a row without a draw
What do you all think? Any advice would be huge, because if I'm tripping and this idea is garbage, I don't want to end up in a massive financial hole! Thanks in advance to anyone willing to chat..

Look, Bet-at-home isn't actually that bad; they're fair and legit enough, but their odds tend to lag a bit behind the big hitters.

As for how you plan to play with that $50—if I were in your shoes, I'd suggest Bet365. Right now, they're offering a 100% match on your first deposit up to $100. Basically, they double your starting cash up to a hundred bucks. If you go that route, just make sure you actually read the Terms and Conditions carefully, because there are specific hoops you have to jump through before you can move any money out. Once you figure that out, you could also look into the "Mobile deposit" bonus, which is another 100% match, though capped at $50.

Just to be clear, Bet365 doesn't quite hit the heights of the Asian books or Pinnacle when it comes to the actual odds, but they have better margins and arguably the best live betting selection among all the European sportsbooks.

I don't want to sound like I'm just singing their praises, though. If you start hitting big wins and making withdrawals with larger sums (we're talking significant amounts of USD), they'll limit you pretty quickly. For me, that's their only real downside, because their initial limits for a fresh account are more than decent.

Regarding the Martingale stuff, Tominator already gave you an answer, and it looks like you've reached the right conclusion yourself. 😉

lonetiger17 said:Am I really the only idiot out there using Bwin? Or rather, I *was* using them, because I’m done. Why? Because today I found out that if someone retires in a tennis match, Bwin doesn't count it at 1.0 odds. Fish was up 1-0 in games and then retired—that was the one single match I missed because Bwin credited the win to Blake instead. Am I stupid, crazy, or just something else entirely because I didn't know this?! I actually thought and hoped Bwin was a more serious sportsbook...
🙂

What exactly is unprofessional or weird about that? They have their own specific rules for tennis just like any other sportsbook out there. The fact that the result didn't swing in your favor doesn't mean they aren't "serious"—it just means you should probably check the house rules before putting money down on tennis. If you're betting on matches, you really need to be familiar with how individual books handle retirements. Here’s a list of all the relevant US sportsbooks and their tennis rules, and you'll see that Bwin isn't doing anything different from most of the others:

http://tennisbios.com/view/tennis-bookmakers>

mistysurfer55 said:If you actually managed to drop $47,000 on Bet365, I honestly don't believe you—mostly because they flagged me (and a ton of other people) once I hit somewhere between $5,000 and $8,000. Seriously, if you’re moving $47,000 in volume over just three months, the CIA would be knocking on your door before you could even finish your next parlay. 🙄

Nah, Kazy, I actually trust him. Look, Bet365 is going to limit you if you start pulling out big withdrawals or if you're betting on those sketchy matches with crazy high odds. But this kind of play? It doesn't bother them at all—honestly, they actually want people playing like this.

northerntinker76 said:I got it! Just hit $60 right now...

Just head over to the withdrawal section and see what kind of options they’re throwing at you. Try to set up a withdrawal that works best for your situation—just keep in mind that if they need scanned IDs or some other paperwork, they'll probably reach out to you directly if the standard way doesn't work. I'm pretty sure those $5 vouchers don't have any crazy T&C attached, but if they do, you'll have to clear those hurdles before you can actually trigger a withdrawal.

northerntinker76 said:hey guys.. got a question.. the other day I was on a site and saw a $5 bonus coupon for DraftKings.. I didn't register my card or anything, just went in via Guest log in, grabbed a ticket number, and placed a bet.. and I actually won.. now I'm sitting on 50 bucks.. I don't normally gamble, so I'm wondering if there's any way to move that money to an actual account?? A buddy told me I have to keep betting there for a certain amount of time and play a bunch of tickets before I can pull anything out.. is that true?? Would appreciate some help here..

Look, if you used the "Guest log in," you were basically playing with Monopoly money. You can't actually bet through a guest account—that ticket you played doesn't even officially count toward a real balance. Now, if you *had* registered and logged in with your own credentials (you know, a real username and password) and then placed those bets, you'd have to hit the specific bonus requirements before you could even think about a withdrawal. That whole thing about needing to play "a lot of tickets" or waiting for a "certain amount of time" is super vague—just go read the fine print.

Basically, all of that only applies if you actually have a real account. If you were just messing around as a guest, it’s all just for fun. 😉

Last season, the NHL saw tie games pop up about 24.1% of the time. If you’re looking strictly at the math, the fair odds should have been sitting around @4.15.

Whatever, though—it just takes me back to when I was obsessively digging into the Martingale system during the 2002/03 season. I remember the Pittsburgh Penguins went on a run where they played roughly 15 games without a single draw. Or take Lugan—I can't recall the exact season, and it wasn't even the NHL, just some random trivia for the road—but they went over 30 rounds without a tie. In the NHL, you occasionally see a team pull off a massive win streak of over 10 games in a row... Honestly, it doesn't strike me as a winning strategy, even if you decide to bet the draw on every single matchup; the payouts are tiny or the thing just won't happen. For instance, back in the 2007/08 season, there were "only" 21.9% ties, meaning the break-even odds would’ve needed to be @4.57 to make sense.

Jamie Rivera78 said:Can you suggest which odds are actually worth it?

Look, I don't look at odds through that lens—there’s no such thing as a "profitable" odd in and of itself (like saying 1.50 is good but 1.30 isn't). It's really just about whether an odd offers actual value for a specific stake, and that could be anything from 1.01 to 1000; it doesn't matter. The main thing is that *I* determine if it's worth it. Only then do the sportsbooks come into play to see who's offering the best price.
If you want to get serious about betting, you can't just obsess over the number—even though, yeah, the coefficient is a massive part of the game. It's like trying to pick a matchup based solely on head-to-head stats, team news, recent form, or home advantage. You can't just look at one slice of the pie.

Also, there aren't any FanDuel limits per se; everything just depends on which market you're playing and how many people are actually willing to take your bet.

Look, you clearly missed the point of what I was saying. It doesn’t matter how many times you hit a 1.01 odd over the long haul—and when I say long haul, I mean years, not just some lucky month—it’s just not worth it, even if you only pull the trigger once a month. And honestly, it doesn't matter which sportsbook you're using, whether it's DraftKings or whatever else, because a 1.01 odd only nets you a measly 1% return on your stake. The issue isn't the house; the issue is the math. That tiny profit is just pathetic—risking $1,500 just to scrape together $15? How many times a month are you doing that? What kind of "profit" is that? Not to mention, on a site like FanDuel, they might not even accept the bet, or they could just flat-out reject you for trying to place a stake like that.

And no, I’m not sitting here suggesting that chasing 5.00 odds is somehow more profitable—I'm just saying that playing 1.01 is a losing game. But hey, like I said, that’s just my take. You’ve got your own way of looking at it, so go ahead and test it out if you want.

Chasing those 1.01 odds? Look, man, in the long run, you're just spinning your wheels for nothing. You end up risking a massive stake just to see a tiny bit of turnover, and at the end of the day, the profit is practically nonexistent. People have already warned you about this more than once—I’m certainly not going to be the one to nag you again. Just go ahead, try it, and see how it plays out for yourself. Maybe you'll find some magic way to make it work. Some things are just better learned the hard way.

Bryan Adams6 said:Has anyone ever tried opening multiple accounts just to milk the bonuses? I've already squeezed every bit of value out of the ones under my own name... now I'm thinking about setting up some accounts for my girlfriend or my sister—just need a little extra "boost" to kick off the season.😍

How do they even track stuff like that? Is it IP addresses? Or what? 😕

It’s IP addresses, last names, home addresses, all of it. Americans aren't usually the target, but people from certain regions are notorious for bonus abuse, and offshore sites definitely keep a much closer eye on those types of users. If you get caught red-handed doing this, just say goodbye to whatever cash is sitting in both accounts.😉

EDIT: Unless you're planning on fighting them through the BBB or trying to pull some "it wasn't me" nonsense. Even then, it’s a massive, exhausting headache and honestly, it's a total gamble.