The Great Depression
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Eating beans always leads to some serious gas 😢
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redwolf91 said:So, if you want to snag any kind of government subsidy for planting anything, there’s a massive list of hoops you have to jump through first. You need fences up to 6 feet high just to keep the deer out—and that’s assuming you're doing hazelnuts, almonds, pears, whatever. Plus, you need hail protection, which basically means netting over everything. It’s an insane upfront cost—honestly, the price of all that protective gear alone can end up being more than the actual saplings for a whole acre. Then there's the labor—say you're doing hazelnuts—you're looking at maybe 20 workdays for harvest, meaning you need 20 people on deck to get it done in under a week, and yeah, you gotta pay them hourly too. Toss in spraying three times a year, needing a tractor, plus all the specialized harvesting gear... when you actually sit down and crunch the numbers, you're staring at a deficit. I was seriously thinking about starting my own orchards—hazelnuts, walnuts, the whole bit—but it just doesn't make sense. My advice? Find someone to run a real feasibility study for you. It all sounds great on paper until you realize you need enough hail protection for 75 acres to even qualify for the good stuff, and the profit margins are tiny compared to what you sink into it. Not to mention you need a massive water supply, pumps, generators, and all that fun stuff for those drought years that seem to be getting worse every single season. And don't forget mowing and all the other busywork. Protecting 75 acres against hail costs so many zeros you'll run out of paper. On top of that, you won't see your first real yield for five years, so if you're already 30, you'll never see the payoff yourself—maybe your grandkids will. Unless the macroeconomics or how the government views farming completely flips, most people living out in the sticks are fleeing the industry because the losses are just brutal. I know plenty of folks who own over 250 acres and can barely cover their tractor loans, let alone feed their families, all while cheap imports undercut them because of bad policy. And don't even get me started on disease—if just one out of 1,000 saplings is infected, the whole thing can go south fast and you might have to burn the entire field. That happened to some orchards a few years back that used imported stock, where a single Grade A sapling was going for $17... so yeah, do the math yourself. Of course, you also have to worry about soil quality—you can't just plant anything anywhere regardless of how much fertilizer you throw at it. Getting a decent soil test costs around $267; they dig about 15 holes a foot deep and take buckets of dirt from each just to tell you if the ground is even fit for hazelnuts
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And honestly, most people will just look at your hard work and try to steal your crop. If you're a city kid who's never even held a shovel, just forget it. Your chances are even slimmer. Prepare to move out to the middle of nowhere and spend your nights guarding your fields so someone doesn't mess with your yield—keep a shotgun handy. Most people don't think about this, and nobody talks about it unless you've actually worked the land. If you haven't, you'll regret it immediately and feel like an idiot for wasting all that money planting things in a field. It’s just a loss. Everything looks beautiful on a spreadsheet or some fancy blog post, but nobody counts the massive annual overhead that eats your profits alive. It just isn't worth it. Welcome to America
Robert Murphy8 said:I can honestly say I try to be a decent human being. I make an effort to stay respectful, polite, and kind in my interactions, genuinely trying to work well with others. But no matter where I go—and especially in the corporate world—it’s the same old story. Constant undermining, people trashing my hard work, and backstabbing. I always end up carrying the weight of their nonsense on my own shoulders. As a person of faith, I could never dream of pulling a stunt like that on anyone. I know I’m capable. I’m smart, I give everything I have to my job and to the people around me, yet it feels like absolutely nobody respects that. It’s even worse when they mock me for being transparent or for actually caring about projects that have some actual heart in them. Then I look at these "successful" types and I just don't get it. What makes them so much better or sharper than me? They get the accolades while I’m just left waiting for them to label me as the villain, because apparently, that’s the only role they think I’m fit for.
briskgull27 said:Well, thanks a lot. It’s certainly an interesting subject, I'll give you that. One day you're feeling perfectly fine, the next you're completely falling apart, then you're struggling just to survive, and by the fourth day, you're busy getting everything ready for New Year's Day.☕
briskgull27 said:Well, I didn't want to go by myself at first, you wicked sister, that's for sure.
I actually got lost twice just wandering around my own neighborhood, and then there was that week where we had a full-on disco going on in the house at night;
there were five of us staying there at the time, and around 4 AM the videos would be cranking away, though I wasn't even sleeping anyway. Let me just quote my discharge papers for you:
Patient admitted via emergency services due to psychotic decompensation, manifesting as restlessness, insomnia, inappropriate behavior, disorganization, logorrhea, and verbal aggression; continuing follow-up for F20.0.
tigar_c2 said:Honestly, folks, you might want to stay away from farming unless you
plan on setting up something much larger than about 25 acres,
because when it comes to nuts, walnuts are buying for around 20-$8.25 cleaned
hazelnuts $10 , and apples will be bought this fall at $0.63 ,
as for those government subsidies for walnuts, they really only apply to intensive orchards,
meaning you have to plant specific varieties meant for high-density growth—just like with hazelnuts (so, having 100 trees spread over 5 acres doesn't count as intensive farming),
there’s still plenty of room for blackberries, blueberries, or redcurrants, but only if you can supply the massive volumes required by big-box retailers like Walmart.
driftinggull18 said:this past Sunday on Plodove Zemlje they were discussing raspberry farming...
they mentioned it’s actually a pretty rewarding crop since you don't need a ton of specialized technical expertise to get started, plus there's a guaranteed market for everything you grow..
goldengull3 said:If you're actually looking for some peace and quiet out in the country, there are hundreds of thousands of acres of untouched land just waiting out in the Midwest—you could sell everything you own, grab a little farmhouse and a patch of dirt, and finally just breathe... Or, if your heart is set on leaving material possessions behind entirely, you could just head over to India and live that way.
steelviper49 said:So you're trying to link yourself to some kind of SPIRITUALITY??
It honestly feels like you might have left your common sense back in the delivery room when you were born.
Emericzy said:For instance, I used to dream about having a boss who was actually sharper and more capable than I am. It took me twenty years of grinding away in a stagnant socialist economy before I finally experienced that kind of leadership once I moved out West. But then, I realized there’s something much better about just being your own boss, so I made that leap. Eventually, I brought that same entrepreneurial spirit back home to America and set things up here too.
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spy said:It’s really not helpful to feel disgusted by the whole system, because who knows, maybe in a few years you'll end up launching your own startup and find yourself feeling just as repulsed by your own dealings.
In a capitalist framework, you're essentially selling your skills to an employer within the labor market, who then integrates those services into a product to be sold further down the line.
Vicky said:Besides, just unplug from the internet and toss that computer out the window. You’re only in this position because multinational corporations made it possible, so you might as well be consistent with your principles. 😁
Vicky said:If you can't see the difference, go back to school.
Look, if you’re volunteering your time for someone else, it's because they’re paying you. If you aren't happy with the paycheck, just find another employer who will offer you more. Or, you could always work for a massive corporation where you actually hold some ownership stakes. Under those old systems, you didn't have any choice at all. Even as a standard employee, you're living much better than most of the feudal lords of the past ever could, simply because capitalism has boosted production so incredibly high.
And honestly, if you don't want to work for someone else, then just work for yourself.
If you truly think you're such a big shot, then go ahead and start your own company—that way you can provide quality work for yourself and everyone else.
You could even choose not to work at all, since we have a social safety net.
But anyway, that's getting off-topic. You should probably start a separate thread if you want to debate those kinds of things.
Vicky said:Yeah, sure, because feudalism and slave societies were clearly just so much more advanced and wonderful... 😁
Joseph Gomez39 said:The issue actually lies elsewhere.
Shaolin said:I was just reading an interesting study today regarding the benefits of using biodiesel in vehicles, and as I stumbled upon this topic, I started wondering why nobody seems to be jumping into rapeseed production for biofuel here in the States.
As far as I know, there’s basically one major firm doing it, and they seem to export their entire yield over to Europe—is there just no domestic interest in this at all?
Nobody really talks about it, but I honestly feel like it could be such a lucrative venture, maybe not right out of the gate, but once you get your footing in the industry...