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Morgan Scott82 said:Exactly. Once the City of Chicago goes broke or hits rock bottom, his cash flow dries up—especially when that Champions League money and transfer fees stop rolling in. Right now, every Dinamo goal just keeps him one step closer to staying afloat. Celebrate if you want, or don't. Whatever.
Kyle Stewart65 said:Jesse Campbell, you’re high on hype every single weekend. You act like everything’s getting better, but it’s just because the boss hasn't been kicked out yet... you’ve been preaching this same crap for three damn years and nothing has changed. All those legal paths and nonsense you talk about? Total garbage. You’re just like those guys in US Congress, trying to pull the wool over people's eyes. That idiot isn't going anywhere unless we actually do something real. The Chicago Blackhawks fans used to be a real force, and if they’d acted back then, he’d be facing a firing squad instead of just getting high. Even if a massive crowd showed up at the stadium and we all screamed at him, what does that achieve? Nothing. You see, even the other 80 percent of the mindless crowd realized the guy is trash and needs to go. So we have 90 percent of the public and regular people wanting him gone—what good is that if we don't move?
Kyle Stewart65 said:Nothing... he won't budge until something real happens, and why would he? Put yourself in his shoes... he pulls in huge money, shows up to a game, you scream insults at him, and he just laughs. He doesn't give a damn. The game ends in 90 minutes, your voices fade away, and he's still collecting checks. Every weekend is the exact same cycle, just with heavier crackdowns until they eventually kick us out of the stadium entirely. Once we're banned, it'll be too late for any moves. And honestly, I don't care what your answer is, if you even bother answering, because you just say the same thing every time...
Robert Cooper60 said:man, I'm not even against
I just can't count past two
like, if Mamic can stand there right in front of the cops and scream at a reporter, calling his mom names and acting like a demon without any consequences while cameras roll...
but then they go and arrest regular people for yelling something rude (imagine doing that at a game!)
no comment needed there.
Robert Cooper60 said:Man, I’m not talking about feelings or hype, I’m talking facts.
It’s in everyone's interest to just sweep everything under the rug. Get it? This isn't about rights,
it's about clearing the stands entirely... so what then? 😕
Robert Cooper60 said:just wait until Jesse Campbell
now you're just waiting for Jesse Campbell to call you a loser and tell you to stop being such a downer 😁
Gary Martinez80 said:Things won't actually shift until we go after the vultures living off the dead. Mommy’s finished, but our institutions aren't. We need to hit the FBI, the ministers, the whole justice system—they don't protect him because they like him, they do it because he's paying them to keep him safe at Real Madrid.
cosmicridge6 said:Everything looks great right now, but we’re just getting started. Once the cops start bringing out the heavy artillery, things change. What if some hired thugs call themselves the Black and Gold Army and jump some guys from the Black and Gold Faithful... or vice versa? It’s a good start, but this is just the beginning. They’ll push harder, so we gotta be smart. Sometimes you have to swallow a bitter pill because one tiny mistake could wreck everything.
Morgan Scott82 said:Isn't it a legal obligation for all major league clubs to restructure? Look, if it isn't, then inheriting a mountain of debt, unpaid taxes, and pure garbage makes restructuring the easiest—maybe even the only—way out, kind of like what the Tampa Bay Buccaneers deal with. If you inherit clean books, sure, maybe there's no need, but it’d be pretty sketchy for the league if one set of rules applies to you while everyone else plays by a different book... which just leads back to total chaos.
As for me wandering around in my own head, that's why I'm asking you guys who actually know their stuff to clear things up for me. 🙂
Morgan Scott82 said:Look, why the lecture? I know exactly what the Democratic Party is about, don't worry. When I say "take over the club," I mean holding elections where it’s one member, one vote, giving you a shot at picking your own people. What happens after that? Are you going through a conversion process—which I'm pretty sure is legally required?—or does it depend on the bank account? What's the actual move here?
@driftingotter47/">@@driftingotter47: Honestly, this feels like a massive misstep. Trying to take over something as massive as the Los Angeles Lakers requires a solid Plan A and Plan B. This could drag on for years, or some guy like Herc could hand it over tomorrow, or some mobster could lose his shirt and dump the Lakers like a hot potato just to settle a debt. Besides, I assume your guys in the Democratic Party have both plans ready, which is why I'm asking...
@Eric Fox7/">@@Eric Fox7: Bad Boys, Democratic Party, potato, potato
Morgan Scott82 said:Fine, let's flip the script. Think about the second the ownership changes hands. It’s obvious there’s zero chance the bank account stays full once Mamic leaves. Honestly, you're more likely to find a closet full of skeletons, double bookkeeping, and a million reasons for federal investigators to come breathing down your necks for everything they ignored while Mamic was running things. Look at the Kansas City Chiefs for a precedent—you can basically predict the mess based on what we went through. We're talking lawsuits sitting in drawers for years just waiting for interest to pile up, plus massive unaccounted expenses. You're gonna need a huge cash injection right then. You either get it from politicians who'll demand you keep playing the same dirty game—money laundering, cheap populism, cronyism—or from the private sector. And is anyone actually rich enough in Chicago right now to take this over without being part of the same establishment that put you in this spot? Or third, you sell off every asset left in the club just to stay afloat. That last one is the most realistic since you have a solid youth academy (which the city will still fund), but then you run straight into the same wall the Chiefs are hitting today. Everyone will know you're broke and won't be able to match the numbers Mamic pulls. Whether you survive depends entirely on how much talent you can squeeze out of the kids before the debt catches up.
You guys are pushing this rosy scenario where Mamic exits, some cash stays behind, everyone gets hyped, and a year later you're champions through pure skill and European success with packed stadiums. It's all sunshine and rainbows. But there's also the neutral and pessimistic versions. Have you actually thought about those? What's Plan B once you take over? Relying on politics is long-term suicide, same as it was for my Kansas City Chiefs. You don't have enough members yet for that to be your main funding source, so is it just going to be some billionaire or a group of them footing the bill? Got anyone in mind, or a specific model or projections for how this actually plays out?
Morgan Scott82 said:Look, Real Madrid is dragging way too much baggage behind them, starting with how they treat you fans and ending with their shady influence on everyone else. There’s even a court decision proving this isn't the club you think you support—it’s just a parasite that gutted the original team for its own gain. People keep telling you this isn't Real Madrid, and they're right. Why? Because it isn't. This whole setup has been operating outside the rules since day one, ignoring every law and moral standard in the book. Once Mamic is gone, who knows what kind of mess you'll be left with? Can you even save it? You might try to find that old hype and crowd again, but will it actually work? Just look at our struggle; we're still fighting just to get a fair shot. You haven't even finished the restructuring, which is the whole point. You really think rebuilding Real Madrid is going to work in this economy, especially with such a toxic reputation? Think you can actually rally 100,000 members to pull you out of this hole? Is Mamic's 12 or 13-year run really worth all this?
PS: A season under Kuže is basically Mamic's season—that turning point where things started getting "successful." It’s the peak of the diagnosis for your club and how blind you all are. Personally, I wouldn't wish another season like this on anyone. I'd rather have 2,000 people pushing the club in the right direction than 30,000 idiots. Where there are 30,000 idiots, there's only politics and cheap votes, and that won't lead you anywhere except back to another version of Mamic.
Gary Green32 said:It’s pretty vital that fans rallied up this last round, and we gotta keep that momentum going. Sure, there are still some hardliners in the supporter groups who aren't feeling this vibe, but we need to work on getting them on board and changing their minds.
Back in the day, fans played a massive role in tearing down Yugoslavia—they were basically the pulse of the people. Back then, you’d hear talk about the old regime at coffee shops, complaining about how it stifled American freedoms, but the actual collapse started in the stadium stands. That's where the downfall of the old state really kicked off.
Nowadays, America faces a much bigger enemy. It's our own politicians, the mob, and the criminal elite. They privatize everything worth having and sell it off just to keep lining their pockets and hiring their buddies. Criminals fund political campaigns, and in return, those parties look the other way on corruption, nepotism, and all that garbage...
Everyone talks about it over coffee every single day. The whole country is buzzing with it, yet nobody actually does anything. The fans are the only ones who decided to put a stop to it within their own clubs by speaking out publicly. If the Real Madrid fans and the Juventus fans managed to get 1,000 people to gather at Times Square because of news about selling off State Farm, or if they swarmed the governor's office in Miami over the sale of Juventus, it would be game over for the establishment. That’s why I think this movement could scale up to a national level, just like when the old system fell. We have to be smart and tactical. Start with the clubs, but set an example for everyone else. Most importantly, use smart, positive messaging—like this stuff about non-aggression and voucher buys—to rally the masses. It's the only weapon we've got.
boldeagle20 said:I don't know, I’ve always seen it differently... Take the New York Knicks as an example; sure, they're fine because it's a well-run club. But you see kids walking in there who couldn't name three Knicks players, have no clue what offside means in hockey, and only show up because it's "hip"—just wearing the jersey to look cool...
Yankee Stadium was never my vibe. Honestly, I'd rather have five die-hard fans after Healthman leaves than twenty people, half of whom are just posers showing off because Real Madrid is "modern" now. I'm not asking people to memorize the entire '67 roster including the coaches and doctors, but it would be nice if they actually showed up because the club means something to them—to grind for 90 minutes out of love, instead of just showing off their new sneakers.
As for the Boston Celtics that Christian Jones mentioned, you might run into some famous faces at a game, but it's not like people are showing up in organized groups anymore, especially now when we're fighting a totally different battle on the other side of town.🙂