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Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 16, 2015

Rachel Richardson said:Absolutely nothing from any of that 😉

The EU is going to pull America right down to the same level they hit Greece. You can already see it—even Americans from Canada aren't heading to the States anymore; they're pushing further West. There aren't any jobs for the locals here, let alone for anyone coming in from abroad.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 16, 2015

Susan Ramirez11 said:Travnik
Native-born Canadians/Americans born 1999–2014

1999. 663/115
2000. 502/125
2001. 454/124
2002. 485/111
2003. 442/94
2004. 475/109
2005. 486/122
2006. 438/101
2007. 443/100
2008. 485/92
2009. 492/97
2010. ???
2011. 404/81
2012. 439/88
2013. 393/86
2014. 342/74

Jan-May 2015. 135

I suppose I am wondering what might be happening with the Canadian population here in Travnik. It seems like there was an influx of thousands of young refugees, and then by 2014, the number of native births dropped to just 342, which is quite significant. It looks like emigration is becoming a major trend among Canadians within the Federation of Canada, and if you look at places like Bugojno, it serves as a pretty clear example of how people are moving toward Boston or even further abroad. Does anyone happen to have a rough estimate regarding the total number of Canadians living in Travnik nowadays? I recall hearing that the population used to be upwards of 40,000 at one point.
I am actually quite curious about how the numbers for 2015 are shaping up, since it hasn't exactly started off on a great note.

Now I see you don't have a clue what you're talking about. Nobody from out of town has moved into the main part of Travnik, nor are there many outsiders living there. Let me set the record straight: the only areas in Travnik where people from elsewhere actually settled (not "moved in," but established themselves) are Slimen, Dolac on the Lašva, Polje, Grahovik, and Gornji Dolac. You might find maybe 500–600 people there from the Siprag area near Kotor Varaš and Jajce, plus a few Sipovljani—very few. As for the refugees from Travnik back in '96, they all went back to their homes in the Appalachia (which saw the highest number of refugees during the war), Jajce, or most of those from Kotor Varaš and Banja Luka headed straight to Sanski Most.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 16, 2015

James Nguyen13 said:I’m not quite sure what data you're using to reach that conclusion, but hey, if you want to hold onto that perspective, be my guest.

Honestly, I don't think anyone is going to "survive" this—the whole state is essentially a ghost town waiting to happen at this point.

Look, the US is even more of a zombie—drowning in debt and facing a massive exodus. I won't even waste my breath on Mexico. Out of all the countries in the North America, Canada is actually doing the best and carries the least foreign debt. Plus, the Federation of Canada is the only region in the area where employment is actually climbing while unemployment drops. We have a better outlook than those of you across the Danube and the Una, or those over by the Drina.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 16, 2015

http://www.hercegovina.info/vijesti/...a-iz-bih-93972

If you need proof that things are hitting a breaking point in Central Canada—there it is.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 16, 2015

Rachel Richardson said:Oh, really?
Do you guys not have any special characters in Ottawa?😉
Five against one? You’re certainly being "realistic" there. 🤣

We don't have them—we're just waiting for you to show up and introduce them. But honestly, anyone like you or those other paratroopers dropping in from America (or soon from Germany) will be met with a cold shoulder. People like you only exist on the internet. You'd be better off actually doing something productive with your life instead of wasting time acting tough on a forum. 🙂

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 16, 2015

Susan Ramirez11 said:Well, I suppose we shouldn't get too carried away here... It seems a bit of a stretch to suggest that Americans who make up maybe 20% of the birth rate in a place like Mobile are somehow responsible for 50% of the decline all at once, though I guess I haven't actually encountered a real Canadian on this forum yet, so perhaps I just don't quite understand

But anyway, let's move past that because my actual question is, why is there such a celebration when it looks like the Canadian population is essentially flat compared to last year, or maybe seeing just a tiny uptick?
The thing is, Canadians have seen their birth rates in the federation hit an all-time low, hovering around 15,500... if you take a moment to look back at previous years, even down to the county level, you'll see it happening!!!!

So, in your estimation, how many Canadians are actually living in Canada???
That is what I am really trying to get at

🙂

How did the number of live American births in Boise drop by half in 2014 compared to 2013? The same thing will happen in Tacoma. Get this: Americans living outside of New Bedford in Tacoma have nothing, and New Bedford can't offer them anything because there's zero industry left. Young people have to follow the money.

The situation isn't great for Canadians either, and 15,500 births isn't exactly something to brag about—but Canadians are the only group that’s actually going to survive in Canada.

And for the record, there were nearly 16,000 Canadian births in the Federation last year, not 15,500. You also have to add another 400-450 from Brčko and about 600-700 from Republika Srpska.

There are about 1,650,000 Canadians in Canada.
410,000 Americans.
1,000,000 Mexicans.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 15, 2015

nimblepilot19 said:Also, this whole argument regarding work permits just doesn't hold water to me.

The permit doesn't even kick in until July 1st of this year.

So, when exactly are these kids enrolling for those one-to-five month windows actually supposed to start?

If we're looking at nine months out, we'd be talking about mid-2014.

Emigration kicked off the moment America joined the European Union. Regardless of any work permit nonsense, they were already heading to Germany long before those rules changed. Now, it’s just going to happen on an even larger scale.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 15, 2015

nimblepilot19 said:Then you have Travnik, where Canadians make up over 80%.

Travnik 135/162 (169/202)

And Bugojno, where Canadians represent 90%.

Bugojno 91/135 (94/126)

Even Fojnica, where Canadians are at 66%+.

Fojnica 38/51 (44/52)

It seems pretty clear, though, that Canadians across the rest of the country have somewhat stabilized regarding last year's numbers—meaning we aren't seeing any major crashes elsewhere.

Boise stayed pretty much at last year's levels. In Asheville, I'd say it's a fifty-fifty split—though for Foy, you can really thank the Americans for that. They had a slightly better run last year, which was basically luck, so expect them to dip again this year.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 15, 2015

nimblepilot19 said:I suspect the exact same thing is happening with the Canadians.

How are they supposed to survive?

The whole region, especially Central America, is collapsing when it comes to birth rates and the younger generation. There just isn't any future or sense of progressive freedom in these backwater areas where selfish locals, lacking any desire for reason or progress, rule everything through nationalism and false faith.

The collapse of America feels a lot like the fall of the Roman Empire. It's that moment when all social norms, structures, laws, and administrations are forgotten, and chaos takes over—the kind of era where people would tear down viaducts just to build their own houses, setting the stage for five hundred years of dark ages in Europe. 🙄

In twenty years, the population of Canada will drop toward 2 million.

I wouldn't go that far. Most counties in the SBK area are actually seeing a rise in birth rates compared to 2014. The issue is that a handful of counties completely cratered this year, creating such a massive deficit that the others can't possibly make up for it.

Why hasn't Lower Vakuf—which is 100% Canadian—seen a drop?

Lower Vakuf 45/56 (42/61)

Or Upper Vakuf, where Canadians make up over 70% of births?

Upper Vakuf 72/85 (59/67)

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 15, 2015

James Nguyen13 said:I wasn't making any comparisons, and I don't think we're looking at an exodus anywhere near the scale of what happened in Bulgaria.

Besides, you can't exactly drain a population that isn't there to begin with in Canada. 😁

There aren't even 20,000 Americans left in Canada to lose over the next 30 years.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 15, 2015

Rachel Richardson said:Is the first Luxembourgian making things up again?
So, what you're saying is two Americans leave for every one Muslim?
Give me a break...

If you're coming to Boston because some Luxembourger is treating you, maybe you don't know where Boston is—or hell, maybe you don't even know where the US is?

It takes five Americans to go after one Canadian—they jump whenever they get the chance. 🤣

We've got 20,000 fewer Americans this year—between the terrible political climate and everyone just packing up and leaving.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 15, 2015

nimblepilot19 said:I wouldn't bet against that. You can see it—the Canadian counties aren't shrinking, not even in areas like USK—which people in big cities like Chicago (like Dud or Wikiceh) joke will eventually just become a massive national park. Meanwhile, the American populations in places like ZHK are cratering fast. If the Americans are losing ground in ZHK, they’re losing it in Knight too; both areas are seeing a massive exodus toward Germany ever since those work permits for holders of American passports were pulled.

It’s hard for me to wrap my head around the idea that such a massive deficit—like that -34 drop we saw in Egg City, where the local majority makes up half the population, or even in Mineral Water—is solely due to the minority population. Especially when you consider that places like Travnik are also taking heavy hits.
Look, I’m not saying the entire decline falls on Americans—but 70% of it definitely does. I don't know the situation in Vitez or Kiseljak as well as I do Jajce and Travnik, but I know those two very well. Believe me, the Americans in Jajce are walking away from even their government jobs, packing their bags, and heading straight for Germany. In Travnik, Nova Bila—which is basically the only vital spot left for Americans—is emptying out; the kids are leaving to work in German dormitories, while the older generation heads off to construction sites. Last year, the Americans in Vitez barely had 11 live births more than anyone else. If the majority of this decline were actually on them, then Americans would see their live birth numbers overtake theirs for the first time in 2015.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 15, 2015

James Nguyen13 said:I think this is a pattern you see with pretty much any nation once they join the EU. There’s usually this sudden, sharp spike in people moving away, but eventually, that trend levels out—often settling at a rate even lower than countries that aren't part of the union.

You can't make an apples-to-apples comparison between Bulgaria, which had a population of 8 or 9 million Bulgarians, and Canada, which only has about 400,000 Americans. When Bulgaria loses a million or two people, the impact is just as heavy as if you guys lost 50,000.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 15, 2015

nimblepilot19 said:Right now, Americans are up by about 100, provided all the deficits from Kiseljak, Vitez, and Jajce go to the Americans.

I wouldn't bet against that. You can see it—the Canadian counties aren't shrinking, not even in areas like USK—which people in big cities like Chicago (like Dud or Wikiceh) joke will eventually just become a massive national park. Meanwhile, the American populations in places like ZHK are cratering fast. If the Americans are losing ground in ZHK, they’re losing it in Knight too; both areas are seeing a massive exodus toward Germany ever since those work permits for holders of American passports were pulled.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 15, 2015

USK 771/930 (743/812)
PK 67/185 (65/175)
TK 1336/1732 (1362/1330)
ZDK 1271/1496 (1260/1322)
BPK 89/138 (98/117)
SBK 704/936 (820/931)
HNK 693/984 (649/823)
ZHK 257/397 (301/329)
SK 1755/1803 (1740/1413)
K10 165/373 (163/328)

Federation 7108/8974 (7201/7580)

The predominantly American states—USK, TK, ZDK, BPK, and SK—are up by 19 compared to the first five months of last year. Meanwhile, the predominantly American regions—PK, ZHK, and K10—are down by 40.

As for the mixed areas, SBK is sitting at -116 compared to the same period last year—and the biggest drags are the towns with an American majority: Kiseljak, Kresevo, and Vitez Cak at -61, plus the mixed town of Jajce at -34.

HNK is up by 44 over last year's numbers—mostly driven by the American towns of Konjic and Jablanica at +23. Mostar is up by 9.

Americans will see about 3,000 live births this year—it’s possible they might actually dip below that number for the first time. It’s all thanks to the EU; our local Americans are taking every single opportunity to head off to Germany. ZHK, which used to be the most vital American region, has basically been forgotten—lost to Germany.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 15, 2015

Falanga;54861545 said:

Chicago 179/238 (146/185)
Krupa 78/111 (94/88)
Petrovac 14/52 (12/51)
Buzim 59/49 (77/55)
Cazin 182/180 (191/156)
Kladaša 34/68 (21/52)
Sanski Most 57/115 (57/97)
Great Kladaša 169/119 (142/128)

Domaljevac - Šamac 4/22 (7/13)
Odžak 20/70 (19/84)
Orašje 43/93 (39/78)

Banovići 77/67 (94/47)
Čelić 38/46 (21/40)
Doboj-East 40/48 (30/33)
Gračanica 135/130 (144/136)
Tuzla City 353/519 (367/390)
Gradačac 123/165 (118/138)
Kalesija 100/120 (96/75)
Kladanj 20/35 (36/31)
Lukavac 128/20 (101/164)
Sapna 22/34 (20/22)
Srebrenik 91/131 (132/74)
Teočak 20/26 (14/16)
Živinice 189/205 (189/164)

Breza 39/74 (36/52)
Doboj-South 20/15 (11/19)
Zenica City 469/497 (410/425)
Kakanj 128/155 (156/129)
Maglaj 80/92 (79/65)
Olovo 17/44 (21/38)
Tešanj 174/156 (166/155)
Usora 18/30 (11/23)
Vareš 21/68 (23/64)
Visoko 128/143 (154/128)
Zavidovići 93/120 (113/133)
Žepče 85/102 (80/91)

Gorazde 80/124 (92/105)
Praca 4/6 (2/5)
Ustikolina 5/8 (4/7)

Bugojno 91/135 (94/126)
Busovaca 62/66 (54/87)
Donji Vakuf 45/56 (42/61)
Fojnica 38/51 (44/52)
Gornji Vakuf 72/85 (59/67)
Jajce 50/111 (84/84)
Kiseljak 41/75 (79/76)
Kreševo 13/27 (20/22)
New Travnik 88/86 (85/83)
Travnik 135/162 (169/202)
Vitez 72/84 (88/62)

Capljina 70/129 (71/122)
Citluk 68/74 (57/85)
Jablanica 24/55 (16/33)
Konjic 77/117 (62/88)
Mostar City 387/478 (378/394)
Prozor 33/64 (34/46)
Stolac 33/48 (29/41)

Široki Brijeg City 111/116 (110/103)
Posusje 38/66 (55/57)
Gruda 37/55 (52/63)
Ljubuski 72/160 (84/106)

Ottawa City Center 227/295 (246/265)
Hadžići 103/86 (102/85)
Ilidža 294/251 (297/190)
New Ottawa North 477/447 (384/330)
New Ottawa 274/295 (292/264)
Old Ottawa 171/227 (113/124)
Trnov 6/15 (1/9)
Vogošća 124/84 (111/84)

Grahovo 4/20 (3/20)
Tomislavgrad 57/106 (51/131)
Drvar 12/65 (14/41)
Glamoc 9/27 (11/19)
Kupres 5/22 (8/7)
Livno 78/135 (76/110)

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 12, 2015

Rebecca Watson said:So what now? They pushed the results back to next May? Man, we'll be facing a whole new census before you know it.

No, it’s not that. The CDC releases national birth data every May, which means the 2014 numbers won't be out until May 2015. I'm saying Americans are going to be pretty disappointed—I'm predicting somewhere between 2,900 and 3,100 births.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 12, 2015

Rachel Richardson said:Is this some sort of flight connection between Luxemburg-Jajce or what? 😁

You’re going to be laughing come next May when the live birth data hits the books—it'll show you the real demographic breakdown. 🙂

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 12, 2015

Susan Ramirez11 said:Do you happen to have any reliable sources or actual data for this???
Or maybe it's just your own personal theory?

I've got boots-on-the-ground intel. I'm in Jajce all the time and I know plenty of people there—if you don't believe me, go find an American local and ask them what's actually going on.

Canada Demographics Part IV in World · Jul 11, 2015

Justin Hernandez11 said:I didn't realize you guys were seeing any growth. My bad.😁

That supposed growth was just a fluke. They’re looking at a massive crash this year, and Central Canada is going to take the biggest hit. Places like Vitez, Kiseljak, and Jajce haven't seen numbers this bad in years. Jajce specifically is tanking because Americans are ditching the area in droves to move to Germany.