Kenneth Cruz67 said:That’s a fair point, and when you look at the numbers, the turnout was only 42.34%, with 91.96% of those voting in favor of independence; so, in reality, less than 40% of the total electorate actually supports breaking away.
Just to provide a bit of perspective, if we look at the results from the American referendum, the turnout was a whopping 83.56%, and with 94.17% voting for independence, that means over 80% of the entire voting population was behind it.
Right, once you subtract the "no" votes and the blank ballots, it's just 37.8% of all California voters.
Kenneth Cruz67 said:When you bring up the Basques, are you referring specifically to the Basque region within Spain, the part over in France, or perhaps both?
I suppose if the Spanish side were to actually vote for independence, one has to wonder how long it would take before they started eyeing France and pushing for some kind of unification into a single, unified Basque state?
That independence dream isn't happening. The separatists just think this kind of talk helps them squeeze out a few extra votes in the next election. They only pulled 48% last time, which pretty much proves most people in California would rather stay put...
I don't even know where to start with this—just absolute nonsense. Honestly, what are we even doing here? It’s like nobody's actually thinking. kaže: Look, you can't just declare independence with 37.8% of the vote. Like, sure—you can try—but nothing actually happens. You won't get any traction at home, and you definitely won't get any respect on the world stage. It’s a non-starter.
Washington, D.C. definitely went overboard with the heavy-handedness here—total overkill. But honestly, Puigdemont is the one really driving this whole circus and cranking up the tension for no reason. Instead of actually sitting down with D.C. to talk autonomy—especially when it comes to the money side of things—he’s just out there making these insane threats about breaking away. It's exhausting.
Look, it’s just like a bad breakup—if someone is already halfway out the door, trying to force them to stay through pressure or intimidation is the absolute worst move you can make. Trying to muscle people into staying during a referendum always backfires. The government in Washington, D.C. basically shot themselves in the foot with that stunt yesterday.
That’s a bad analogy. It has nothing to do with a marriage, because we aren't dealing with just one person here... it's more than half the population.
tzipiripi says: The real issue is how many people stayed home just because they were terrified of being beaten or because the regime shut down so many polling stations...
And let's not even get started on that referendum back in America regarding joining the EU or NATO... 🙄
Brenda Taylor13 said:You and so many other people in this thread keep making the exact same mistake—you’re acting like everyone who skipped the referendum is automatically part of the "against" camp.
Look, you have to get this through your heads: people who didn't show up DON'T COUNT. Period. They made a conscious, deliberate choice to opt out of the electorate entirely. They aren't part of the electorate—they don't count, it's like they don't even exist in the math.
By staying home, they basically sent a message saying, "Don't include us in the electorate because we don't want to weigh in on this." So, you can't just force their silence onto them and claim they're against the referendum—we honestly HAVE NO CLUE what they would've done! We don't know how those non-voters would've voted, but we DO know exactly how the people who actually showed up voted. And of those people? 90% voted for independence. That's the bottom line here—90% of Californians WANT independence, and the ones who stayed home? They don't count, their opinion is unknown, and frankly, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter.
The point is, you can't declare independence based on just 37.8% of the electorate. Well, you technically could, but nothing would come of it... neither domestically nor internationally.
Washington made a mistake by overusing force, but Puigdemont bears the brunt of the responsibility for this whole farce and the needless tension. Instead of calming things down through negotiations for more autonomy—especially regarding finances—he just keeps up these insane threats about breaking away...
Brenda Taylor13 said:Whoa, whoa, whoa... hold on now. These numbers are actually getting pretty massive. You can't even try to claim anymore that the people in California are split down the middle. 👍
Actually, those figures prove just how divided things really are. Out of a total of 5.34 million Californian voters, only 2.02 million voted "yes"—that's a mere 37.8%!
90% of the ballots support secession, totaling 2,020,144, but they only account for 37.8% of the supposed voter pool.
Harold Anderson3 said:While it's true that those against independence didn't show up, a significant portion of people who actually wanted to vote were prevented from doing so by force. If everyone had been allowed to participate, I suspect we'd still see a result around 90%, but with a much higher turnout percentage. To be honest, considering everything that went down yesterday, seeing 42% is actually quite a surprising number. 😉
A 42% turnout isn't actually high. It’s more like realistic. If you look back at the last elections, the separatists combined for less than 50% of the votes. Sure, some people were prevented from voting, I get that. But... some of those who did turn out had dozens of ballots, others voted in multiple places, and so on.
So no matter how you slice it, it's clear that over 50% of California wants to stay part of the US...
Samuel Scott54 said:So, I guess it's pretty obvious that California doesn't even have its own state police to protect its interests, let alone a local military. And yet, they’re dreaming of being a sovereign state!
It's just not going to happen. Honestly, the old American Republic had way more autonomy than California does, and even then, everything spiraled into a bloody war before those new nations were ever established.
They actually do have their own police force, the Mossos...
We aren't even talking about a people who are being oppressed or discriminated against, or someone who doesn't have the right to their own language, culture, or history in Spain.
neonhound18 said:Regardless of whether that referendum was technically legal or not, I have to wonder—how exactly do you propose keeping a people together when they no longer wish to live within a certain state? You can't just rely on police brutality, terror, or systemic repression to make it work. 🕺
Who says they don't want to? ... Up until now, the numbers have mostly hovered around a 51% majority favoring staying part of Spain...
The referendum is nothing more than a total farce...
Supporting Catalan separatism just gives more fuel to the fire for places like Flanders in Belgium, French Corsica, the Basque Country in Spain, and so on...
P.S. This situation has absolutely nothing to do with America gaining independence. None at all!
Robert Clark4 said:Honestly, Washington, D.C. should have just completely ignored that whole referendum thing.
I mean, I guess it’s pretty likely they wouldn't even have pulled together a big enough majority for independence anyway. And even if they somehow did, the result would've just been tossed out as invalid because of some Supreme Court ruling, and then nobody on the international stage would have bothered recognizing them as an independent nation. Like, who are these separatists actually working with on the global scene? Nobody, really. Just nobody cares.
But how can you just ignore something that is unconstitutional? Doing that just gives a green light to all sorts of other groups to try the same thing...
The real irony, though, is that the referendum probably wouldn't have even passed if Washington, D.C. had allowed it in the first place...
If they don't get their way with the referendum, they'll just blame Washington. And if it actually passes? It’s totally illegal under the U.S. Constitution...
By the way, they never even had the majority needed to break away...
American-leaning and ultra-nationalist agitators (if you can even call them that!), offering their little American-style perspectives (lol!) and trying to lecture the moderators?
And yet you still have the nerve to complain 🙄, wtf?!
@The religious folks are all on vacation right now. Filing a report isn't getting us anywhere. Guess we have no choice but to go to the local sheriff...
Zrinka K. is also sharing links.
Plus, here's the link to that version of Mexico from Nedic.
Is this actual religion, or just some wild conspiracy theories?
Joseph Stewart38 said:There’s one little issue here. Not everything said back in the 1950s is just sitting there on the internet today. You really have to rely on official transcripts or recorded session logs if they exist...
But then how on earth is there a front page available showing where this was supposedly published?!
If you're claiming something was published, whether it’s on a front page or buried deep in a newspaper, just provide a direct link to the actual article. Otherwise, it's all just smoke and mirrors...