If you ask me, every single team should just tell their drivers during those first couple of races to go out there and fight for the best possible position. No interference, no playing chess with strategy, just pure racing. Let them battle it out on track. Whoever manages to pull off a better start or a stronger result should be the one who gets to enjoy that "team favor" later on when someone actually needs the points more than others.
I watched the video, but I totally missed that part.
As usual, you dodged every single question and showed off that enviable level of class in how you communicate. When you run out of actual answers, the easiest thing to do is just tell someone they're talking nonsense or being a troll.
Maybe I’m just an idiot, because I still haven't learned how to deal with the way you constantly bury your head in the sand regarding Vettel's stupidity.
The only thing I actually agree with here is that he was clearly thinking about Max. He rushed to dive ahead of Leclerc just to wedge his car between him and Max, trying to block any potential attack since Max was already breathing down his neck. Honestly, it would’ve been way smarter if he’d just given his teammate a bit more breathing room. By doing that, he actually gave Max less work to do, essentially neutralized his own teammate, and ended up screwing himself over in the process later on.
If he’d just left a little more space, Leclerc might not have even overtaken him—they probably would've just ended up side-by-side. Since the kid is clearly playing for the team, he likely would've let him through and then jumped right into the fight with Max. That way, he’d have a teammate acting as a sort of "bodyguard" to help hold the line and slow Max down.
Oh, come on, just look at this clip. If you freeze the frame right here, it’s obvious. Vettel is clearly trying to cut off his own teammate. There was absolutely no wheel locking and zero late braking going on, lol. At this exact moment, he’s driving straight toward the left side just to dive right into Leclerc's line.
That red line shows exactly how Vettel moved to completely shut his teammate out. Honestly, the line on the right would have been the much smarter play. If Leclerc had just taken that line, he could've finished right behind his own teammate and left Max struggling for scraps 🤷. Seriously, that entire right side was wide open because Max was trailing behind him. There was absolutely no reason to pull any defensive maneuvers, but instead, he went straight for blocking his teammate and ended up cutting him off.
Right at the start, Sebastian Vettel veered all the way to the right just to squeeze Max Verstappen. Max had to back off to get behind him, and then, as they hit the corner, Vettel lunged left to cut off Charles Leclerc, forcing him completely out of the race. It’s classic Vettel: he crowds the other driver and basically gives them two choices—either back down or wreck both of you. It’s that old-school Ayrton Senna move where he leaves it up to you whether you want to crash into him or just give up and try to recover a few spots later.
He was diving in like a maniac on people all last season. Just think back to how he absolutely screwed himself when he lunged at Lewis Hamilton and ended up spinning out after the contact. And honestly, that situation with Max Verstappen was pretty much the same thing, except this time, Max didn't back down...
See, this is exactly what happens when you get confronted with actual facts. I’m literally dropping screenshots right in your face showing the exact moment you were out here defending Sebastian Vettel, claiming he had nowhere to turn to avoid hitting Max Verstappen, even though there wasn't a single inch of space available next to him.
stormybadger8 said:What do you think Sebastian Vettel should have done at the start? So, what’s the plan? Just drift hard to the right and slam right into Max Verstappen? Is that the big strategy? 😁 Man, Leclerc really went off the rails there. He drove like he had absolutely nothing to lose, heading straight into a situation that could have ended in a total disaster. Seriously, it was terrifying to watch. Look, all good. At least the kid kept his cool enough to avoid making a total mess of things.
Those photos you posted are great, especially because they catch everything right as the cars are approaching the turn. They don't show any of the mess that happened later on. You’re trying to defend Sebastian Vettel by claiming he was boxed in or that Max Verstappen was right on his tail, but let's be real—the track next to him was wide open. All he did was shut the door on his own teammate and cause a massive blockage. Max was a full car length behind him, and there was absolutely nothing stopping Sebastian from giving him space. There was plenty of room!
Kazes, should he have just veered right into Max Verstappen? And where exactly was Max at the moment Sebastian Vettel cuts in on his teammate and shoves him off the track? Walk me through that again.
As he hits the apex of that turn, Max—who absolutely should have taken the corner differently—is right on his tail. 🤷
What do you think about that clip from the first lap where Vettel defends his line so aggressively he actually pushes his teammate right off the track?
You’re totally missing the point. You're trying to argue against him by bringing up someone driving onto the grass just because they're pushing the limits to make up ground. That's hilarious. lol🙏
And just how much did Vettel gain by shoving his teammate out of the way? You don't seem to care at all about that little excursion onto the grass, do you? No, you clearly don't. You're just a biased fanboy who shuts his eyes to every nonsense move his favorite driver makes, which pretty much disqualifies you from having any real conversation.
There was plenty of room to maneuver, but senior Vettel decided to dive left and shove his teammate aside just to defend his position.
Look, I’m not even talking about Ferrari here—I’m talking about Vettel as a driver. He’s just a dirty racer. He constantly cuts off his own teammates and colleagues on the track, drives incredibly aggressively, and pulls these shady moves every single race. Then, once he finally gets a taste of his own medicine, he starts whining over the radio.
By forcing that kid out of the way, he basically secured himself an advantage. Even though we're discussing Ferrari later, if the team radio had told Leclerc to slow down, they still would have let Vettel through anyway, so...
If the kid had done that to him, you know there would've been absolute chaos on the radio.
Vettel: "I had to fight so much. I knew he was faster. Under normal conditions, I couldn't have stopped him because I didn't have the speed."
"Normal conditions"? Please. If you were sitting right behind him and the team told you to back off, you would've smoked him instantly and blown right past.
stormybadger8 said:I wonder who was arguing about the races like this last year 😁
Mario - seriously, how did you guys miss that? Others - man, what part of the start did you actually miss? Mario - I didn't watch the first 20 minutes. Others - yeah, but what about an hour in... Mario - alright fine, I didn't even watch the first hour. Others - okay, but what about the last five laps? Mario - look, I haven't even watched the race yet, but I promise I will tomorrow!
It feels like Mario and Henry might be cut from the same cloth.😁🤣
Look, honey, I saw plenty, so keep on rolling your eyes if you want. I saw Vettel's unsportsmanlike move, cutting off his teammate right when he lost his momentum and then having to spend the rest of the race playing catch-up. It’s like if you and I were running a 100m dash and you tried to overtake me right at the start, so I shoulder-check you, you lose all your initial drive, and then you spend the next 80 meters chasing me down just to try and pass me before the finish line, but time runs out.
If Leclerc had made it through in the situation I described, he would have just spent the rest of the race pulling away from Vettel. But instead, this guy—who is famous for being a "top-tier" teammate—once again stabbed his own man in the ankle.
Let's be real here: if Max had done this to his teammate, you would have been talking about it the entire race and spitting venom long after the checkered flag. Cheers.
Look, it doesn't matter. You guys clearly aren't getting my point, but fine. Go ahead and laugh, have your fun. I’ve got zero interest in dealing with this nonsense this early in the morning. Honestly, I just hope Ferrari keeps riding Vettel while he's struggling. I'm actually looking forward to more "brilliant" performances like this throughout the rest of the season and watching them mess with a guy who's already having a rough time.
Go ahead and laugh now. I’ll be right there laughing along with you for the rest of the season when Vettel turns bright red and starts begging the pit wall for protection just so the kid doesn't run him off the track. And you know how it goes—the kid will just play along because he's such a "team player," letting the old man pass without a fight.
stormybadger8 said:What on earth are you 🤦 talking about? Leclerc was lagging about 12 seconds behind Vettel before Vettel even hit the pits, and once Leclerc finally pitted, that gap just blew out even more...
By the time he actually closed the gap to within 2 seconds of Vettel near the end of the race, Max was already sitting about 15 seconds ahead of them both... And keep in mind, Max was pulling laps that were roughly half a second faster than Leclerc's the entire time he was chasing Vettel down... Look, unless Leclerc suddenly found a way to drive two seconds per lap faster than Valtteri Bottas right after Vettel passed him, there was absolutely no way he was getting anywhere near Max, let alone making it onto the podium. 🤦
It was obvious Leclerc had the pace to beat Vettel the whole race. Ferrari should have adjusted to that speed and played their strategy to put Leclerc ahead so he could actually fight for something. I’m not saying he would've grabbed a podium, but he definitely wouldn't have wasted the race stuck behind Vettel.
My take? Leclerc was absolutely flying in that car without a single issue, while Vettel was just dragging himself around the track. Honestly, Vettel pulled a couple of dirty moves against his own teammate; if he’d actually used his brain and just let him through, they could have actually fought for the podium. Who says Leclerc couldn't have caught Max if they hadn't kept him on a leash? Ferrari is putting everything on Vettel again, and if you ask me, it's a massive mistake. Their race management is totally off base.
Leclerc wasted so much time stuck behind Vettel, even though he had the pace to be right in the thick of that podium battle. If they’d just let him overtake earlier in the race, things would have looked a lot different. Instead, it just went from bad to worse.