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What is power? in Spirituality ·
Brian Foster3 said:I'm with you on the fact that coincidences aren't real; everything is just a chain of cause and effect because that's how the universe works. Honestly, I used to love telling myself that I was the one who picked where I was born and who I became, but eventually, I realized that's just total nonsense. It's a mental construct designed to make you feel more significant, more important, and frankly, more powerful than you actually are. 🙂

That said, you totally misread me when you assumed I think everything is out of our control or that we're just living like robots. We aren't. But the actual point where we truly have a choice is incredibly elusive, and most people don't have the slightest clue where to find it. 🙂

Sure, Kabbalah talks about free will. But it points out exactly where we actually possess it and where we absolutely don't, which is a massive distinction if you want to actually navigate life effectively—and I bet you'll agree with me on that. If you really want to put my claims (and your own) to the test, go read the article Freedom, by Baal Hasulama, who was easily the greatest Kabbalist of the 20th century.

Best regards and stay well! 🙂

I don't agree with your first point, at least not at first glance. I saw very clearly why I ended up being born into my specific circumstances and why I turned out the way I did... obviously, that decision is part of a much larger picture where you could ask whether I (well, who am I actually talking about here?) truly have any control.
I do agree there's a part where we have control and a part where we don't. Actually, saying it that way isn't even quite right. You can't simplify it into a single sentence like that.
Here's a question: if I completely surrender to God's will/fate/(whatever you want to call it), do I still have control over that choice or not?
I'll read the text, but probably tomorrow, and then I'll get back to you.
What is power? in Spirituality ·
Brian Foster3 said:I’ve gotta tell you, I completely disagree with you there. Seriously, did you get a vote on what kind of traits you were born with? Did you pick your family, your social class, or the neighborhood you grew up in? Did you choose how tall you’d be, what you’d look like, or how much physical strength you’d have? Did you decide how smart or capable you’d be, or even the sound of your own voice? You didn't choose the values you picked up from your parents and society, right? You didn't choose if you'd be generous or stingy, hard-working or lazy, or if you'd gravitate toward math or sports.

Every single one of your internal characteristics was handed down to you. Your preferences, what attracts you, and what repels you—it was all pre-set. You had zero say in any of it. What you experience today as your "self" is nothing more than a collection of causes and effects that played out without you ever having a choice. You might feel like you're choosing between options, but in reality, your innate or learned traits are "choosing" for you based on what fits them best. You’re just living under the illusion of choice. It’s the same thing today: when you pick between two things, you're just picking whatever you think—actually, whatever you *feel*—will give you the most satisfaction.

It’s the same deal with power. Right now, you have a characteristic where you crave power, specifically certain types of it, and so you pursue it. You feel like you have the will to do so. But you didn't choose that drive; your behavior is dictated by those characteristics that were given to you rather than chosen by you. That's why, whenever you're faced with different ways to grab power, you'll always chase the ones you think will bring the most gratification. And that's already been decided by who you are...😉

My response to everything you just laid out is this: yes, I chose ALL of it. Not within this specific body or this current physical life, but I did. This isn't the place for me to get into the weeds of an explanation, so you can take it or leave it. I'm not interested in trying to prove myself; I've already walked people through this plenty of times. Maybe there will be a better opportunity to dive deeper later.
Coincidences DON'T exist. Everything we're going through isn't random; it's a planned experience. If you look closely enough, you can actually see the design and the purpose behind it all.
To me, claiming everything is out of our control is just a convenient excuse for our own lack of power. All you really need to do is look past the facade and be brave enough to face both your own greatness and your own humility.
I noticed you follow Kabbalah. I've only ever looked at it superficially, but I thought that tradition had some insights on this too.
Again, I'm not looking to prove anything to anyone because this isn't the venue for it.
Chlamydia in the eye in Health ·
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What is power? in Spirituality ·
brisktiger56 said:I’d argue that babies actually have quite a bit of power from day one—specifically, the power to drive their parents absolutely insane 😁, especially when they’re hungry, thirsty, wet, tired, or sick. It’s basically hardwired; when those situations hit, the kid pulls an alarm that you can feel in your teeth 😉. The crying and screaming force parents to do everything humanly possible—often way beyond their actual capacity—just to get some peace and quiet. That’s a baby’s superpower. Later on, though, a different cycle kicks in... a new phase of power that society, or whatever power structures are running the show, loves to stifle in the most creative ways imaginable. This inherent ability that could allow someone to truly become themselves is usually suppressed, forcing the individual into a pre-set social mold.

It reminds me of feudalism—kind of like how Franjo Tahi preferred a system where peasants weren't empowered, but were instead kept quiet, submissive, and obedient. Spiritually speaking, the church used to push this idea that eternal life was the goal, but you could only reach it if you suffered enough while on Earth. It was all designed to diminish the influence of the working class, while the centers of power—you know, guys like Tahi or the high clergy—lived incredibly well by skimming off the top of everything the common people produced.

Has anything really changed today?

Well, actually, things have shifted, yet we still haven't really gained control over our own power do you think? Isn't that right?

I’d actually phrase it a bit differently—it's more that the individual chooses to fit into society's mold.
Honestly, I don't think anything in the universe takes away a person's power except for the person themselves.

Has anything even changed lately?

Well, actually, things have changed, yet we still haven't really taken control of our own lives, you know? Don't you agree?

Exactly. And honestly, I don't think anything *needed* to change. We're all just walking our own individual paths; the average stays the same. The world isn't any more or less spiritual than it was 2,000, 4,000, or even 40,000 years ago.
What is power? in Spirituality ·
brisktiger56 said:Personally, I’m leaning toward the bolded part here.

A child's willpower—much like their self-awareness, their sense of self within the world, their social environment, and their understanding of personal agency—is essentially handed over to whoever is raising them.

If someone had actually made us aware of this a long time ago, we probably wouldn't be sitting here right now, trying to figure out what "power" actually is, where it comes from, or what we can even do with it...

Spot on. Kids have almost zero agency early on. But there comes a point—at different ages for everyone—where they finally gain enough leverage to make a choice: they can either keep dragging all that old baggage along, or they can let it go and reclaim their own energy. By doing that, they pull that power back into themselves and take responsibility for how they use it.
People who are stuck living in the past just aren't ready to step up and take that kind of ownership (honestly, most of us struggle with that more or less every day).
What is power? in Spirituality ·
Brian Foster3 said:But then who or what decides who ends up with that kind of drive and who stays stuck without it?

Look, I’m an individualist. I don't believe there are some external forces pulling the strings of our lives like that. Within the context of this debate, I think it’s fair to say we all make our own calls.
The ability to choose is a massive lesson to learn, and honestly, it's a huge power in itself.
It carries just as much weight when we talk about figures like Gandhi or Hitler as it does when we decide not to spend our entire lives blaming others for injustices we faced as kids. I'm talking about the impact that choice has on the person making it, not how it affects the world at large.
What is power? in Spirituality ·
Brian Foster3 said:Look, I’m trying to put her perspective into the bigger picture here, just to get things straight for once. 🙂

you're talking about the worldly expression of power. everyone is born with this inherent potential for power, and honestly, it should be every single person's job to cultivate and master it.
power isn't inherently good or bad. how we choose to wield our own influence is what defines us in this dualistic world.
if you don't have any power at all, you won't even have the strength required for spiritual growth; you'll just end up being someone else's doormat instead of making actual progress on your soul's journey.

🙂 Alright, alright, let's move on. But seriously, tell me this: who or what actually decides if one person gets the power they need to get things done while someone else gets absolutely nothing?

I think we define it ourselves. Of course, it isn't just some cold, rational calculation where you weigh "Should I have the power for XXX right now?" There are so many variables at play, but to me, sheer will seems to be the most critical one. That said, both power and willpower are things you have to "cultivate"—you have to practice them so that when the moment arrives, you actually have what it takes. But that doesn't mean if you haven't spent your life training, you can't pull off something legendary when it counts.
It's just like physical strength. A trained athlete has more raw power, sure, but in an extreme emergency, even someone totally out of shape might find a surge of strength they didn't know they had—like a parent reacting when their child is in danger.
What is power? in Spirituality ·
brisktiger56 said:Whether it’s romantic or not, I guess the main thing is just being on the same page.

Tony, please give me a concrete example here: you say power is clearly manifested through action. But what about power that manifests without direct action? Like, for instance, the way our environment reacts to what we actually do.

I laid out my take. Fear itself doesn't diminish power—it's the decisions and actions taken *because* of fear that do the damage.
In my view, nobody else can mess with our power. Well, okay, maybe if someone is significantly more powerful than us, they can.

Fear can chip away at an individual's confidence, which rattles their self-esteem, and then that whole chain reaction hits their thought process and how they use their free will to make decisions. If someone stops acting the way they intended because they got spooked, that's a degradation of power. Or... maybe it's not the potential for power that's shrinking, but just the will behind it (hmmm)? Whatever part of those core factors gets cut out, the end result is less power. It’s like fire. You need fuel, heat, and oxygen. Take one away, and the fire is gone.

An influential person or a group can sway others, effectively stripping them of their power through persuasion (whatever serves their agenda), intimidation, or direct physical confrontation—in extreme cases, even total incapacitation. Basically, might makes right. The ability to physically overpower or kill someone is undeniable proof of power. Of course, an influential person could also use that same power to empower others, helping them grow from weakness into strength...

So, power is essentially potential energy—the capacity for psychological or physical action created by specific factors like free will, motivation, goals, and the resources needed to reach those goals. Power can be used or abused, much like fire, nuclear energy, or money.
Power can be directed at others or inward toward oneself; it can be visible or invisible. Whether it's "enough" or not is really up to the individual in question.

Alright, let me give you a personal example to make this more concrete:
I was scrolling through a thread earlier, and man, it’s wild how many people in their 30s are dealing with the exact same thing. It’s like there's this constant, relentless pressure from everyone around them—family, friends, whoever—asking, "So, when are you finally getting married?" or "Isn't it about time?" They get hit with these unsolicited warnings that they're going to end up alone or that they won't find anyone else at their age. It’s honestly exhausting.
I’m in the exact same boat. I'm 39, single, and don't have any kids. These kinds of deep, existential questions are something only one specific female friend ever brings up with me—it’s basically become our running joke at this point. Nobody else seems to ask me stuff like this; it honestly doesn't even cross their minds. Why is that?
It all comes down to whether my energy in that specific area—let's keep it symbolic so we don't get bogged down in technical jargon about energy fields—is actually coherent and strong enough to make an impact.
Have you ever experienced something like this? I get this recurring feeling where I feel drawn to certain people—maybe for a potential partnership, a job opportunity, or just some kind of connection—and I find myself picking at them or teasing them a little. It’s never meant to be malicious; it’s just how it happens. I notice this tendency is way more pronounced with specific individuals, whereas with others, that impulse just isn't there. When I decide to lean into that playful teasing, it feels like I'm tapping into their low energy levels. Because my own energy is so much stronger in those areas, I can step right into their space without any resistance at all.
Subconsciously—and sometimes quite intentionally—my energy tends to gravitate toward people who show weakness, almost like a magnet. It’s a dangerous pattern because that kind of vulnerability can be easily exploited. You see it all the time with manipulators or bullies; they sniff out those openings and move right in.
On the flip side, whenever I run into someone with an intense vibe in a certain area, I can feel it immediately. My first instinct is just to give them a wide berth. It doesn’t even cross my mind to try and play games or mess around with them, because honestly, I know I'm outmatched. That person didn't even have to lift a finger or say a word—their energy alone does all the heavy lifting.

Everything I just laid out is really just a demonstration of personal power.
Fear is such a deeply personal thing. It’s that quiet, heavy weight that sits in your chest when you’re alone with your thoughts, making everything feel just a little bit more overwhelming than it actually is. We all deal with it, but how we handle that internal tension defines us. For some, fear is a paralyzing force that keeps them stuck in their comfort zones, staring at the walls of a life they aren't actually living. For others, it’s the fuel that drives them to prove everyone wrong. It’s easy to pretend we aren't afraid, to put on this brave face for the world, but deep down, that vulnerability is universal. Whether it's the fear of failure, the fear of being judged, or even just the fear of the unknown, it shapes our decisions more than we care to admit. But honestly? I think there’s a certain kind of strength found in acknowledging that fear instead of running from it. You can't conquer something if you won't admit it's there. Sure thing! I'm ready to go. Just send over the text you need me to work on. If you can chip away at someone’s ego and shake their confidence, you start messing with their decision-making process—the very thing that shapes how they exercise free will. If fear causes someone to back down from who they were before they were intimidated, that’s a direct hit to their power. Or... maybe it’s not about stripping away their actual capability, but just crushing their willpower? (Hmm.) Either way, if you sabotage any of those core elements, the end result is a loss of power. It’s just like fire. To have a flame, you need fuel, heat, and oxygen. You take away even one of those, and the fire goes out.

Whether it’s one person or an entire group, influence can be used to manipulate others—shaping their power by bending them to a specific will. This happens through persuasion, intimidation, or even direct physical confrontation. In extreme cases, we're talking about outright violence or even lethal force. At its most primal level, it's just "might makes right." The raw ability to physically overpower or kill someone is the ultimate, brutal proof of power. But look, it doesn't always have to be dark. A truly influential leader can also use that same leverage to empower people, helping them find their footing and transform from being powerless to being unstoppable.

Power is essentially potential energy—it’s the latent capacity for psychological or physical action. It’s fueled by a specific set of drivers: your free will, your drive, your ultimate objective, and the actual resources you deploy to get there. Much like fire, nuclear energy, or even cold hard cash, power is neutral; it can be used to build something incredible or it can be weaponized for harm. It all comes down to how you choose to wield it.
Power can be directed outward toward others or inward toward yourself. You can choose to acknowledge its presence or ignore it entirely—but whether you actually possess it? Well, that’s something only you can truly know.

You hit the nail on the head with that assessment. We're currently ironed out the technicalities. Fear doesn't strip someone of power directly, but it can definitely mess with their behavior and the choices they make—which ultimately shapes how that power is used.
What is power? in Spirituality ·
Brian Foster3 said:Power is really just the next level of human desire once you've already exhausted your craving for wealth. Once you've chased down power, you move on to this even higher pursuit of knowledge, which is basically where all those material cravings finally die out.

At its core, wanting power is nothing more than trying to manipulate certain parts of reality just to suit your own needs. Honestly, if you look at it closely, the hunger for power is right up there with the desperate need for fame and glory.

Actually, what you're describing is the progression of human desires—basically stages of personal growth—rather than power itself.
The craving for power is nothing more than the capacity to exploit certain parts of reality for your own benefit. In terms of intensity, wanting power is on the same level as chasing fame or honor.

You're talking about how power manifests in the physical world. We're all born with the potential for power, and a person's life mission is to develop and master that strength.
Power isn't inherently good or bad. It's just how we choose to wield our own influence within this dualistic world.
Without any power at all, a person won't even have the leverage needed for spiritual growth. They might end up just being someone else's appendage, unable to take those necessary steps toward their own spiritual evolution.
What is power? in Spirituality ·
brisktiger56 said:
hm... thinking of will as the steering module, while power is just the potential we have sitting there. It still trips me up a bit.

The whole OP thing bugs me because... wait, is this supposed to be about what someone's watching on TV?! Are we learning how to read now? Nemruth brings up politicians, but they aren't even part of the conversation. Is focusing that hard for you guys?

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Tony, if a person is physically and mentally sound, you can actually see their power in action when they use their free will—with a clear goal in mind—to execute a solid plan. That whole combination is what constitutes power. Maybe power (if you recall those elementary school lectures) is really just the union of all those elements; if you're missing even one piece of the puzzle, you won't be able to demonstrate any real power.

When someone starts a thread, they're essentially manifesting their power. I mean: they use their free will to write the OP, and they've got all the necessary prerequisites—the computer, the fingers hitting the keys, and the cash to pay the electric bill. Ultimately, it all results in power and the ability to draw people into the discussion.

I used to wonder how and when someone loses their power—like, does fear diminish their value, or... something else? Now, it seems to me that an individual's power is diminished whenever they're being deceived by someone else.

That’s a very visible way for people to witness power through direct action.
But what about the kind of power that shows up without us doing anything? Like how the world around us reacts to the moves we make.

I’ve always wondered how and when someone actually loses their grip on power—whether it's because fear drains their value or... something else entirely. Lately, I’m starting to think an individual's power is diminished whenever they get played by someone else.

I've already shared my take on this. Fear itself doesn't strip you of your power. What actually weakens you are the decisions you make and the actions you take *because* you're afraid.
As far as I'm concerned, no one can just reach out and diminish our power. Well, unless they're more powerful than we are.
What is power? in Spirituality ·
wearyowl29 said:The principle is pretty much the same... having the will to act and the knowledge of how to act.
Some people might disagree with me here, but spiritual power doesn't have to be a bad thing for the person who holds it or for those around them. Of course, that’s assuming you can dodge all the usual traps that come with power. The real trick is making sure your own power doesn't lead you astray. If it does, suddenly the power is running the show instead of you...

Having the will to act? I'm with you on that.
But the "know-how" part—I was actually talking about the specific choices that either boost or drain your influence. It can be incredibly simple stuff. Honestly, I’m still trying to wrap my head around exactly what kind of "knowledge" you're referring to.
To me, power is just potential we’ve built up and have at our disposal. I don't see it as inherently good or bad; it’s just something we shape.

Of course, that's assuming you can dodge all the usual traps. The main thing is making sure your own power doesn't end up controlling you. If it does, then it's the master and you're just the servant.

I don't really view that as power; to me, it looks more like a sickness. If it takes control of you, it's because fear took over. And fear is a disease, plain and simple.
That kind of situation might look like power in some ways—physical strength, or being a master manipulator—but it just can't hold a candle to true, righteous power. Good always wins in the end. A person acting with integrity will always be able to overpower someone who isn't.
What is power? in Spirituality ·
I wasn't talking about politics. I’m talking about personal power—not in some mechanical or social way, but primarily on a spiritual level, with the understanding that spiritual strength naturally translates into a certain kind of worldly influence.
When I say "spiritual," I don't just mean looking at saints; even magical power falls under that umbrella. I’m talking about the spiritual capacity inherent in any individual, whether they're a simple farmer out in the Midwest or an enlightened mystic. We all operate under the exact same principle.
What is power? in Spirituality ·
wearyowl29 said:In this context, we're really talking about the exercise of power.

I'm still lost. Are you saying knowledge equals power?
The way modern society defines "knowledge"—just a bunch of data points and info—seems pretty irrelevant to me. Having actual insight or understanding matters, sure, but I'm not convinced it's strictly necessary.
Besides, you can follow your gut and intuition to get things done too.
What is power? in Spirituality ·
wearyowl29 said:Power is really just the raw potential to act, but we’re the ones who actually give it substance through our intention. To me, it rests on two main pillars: first, the sheer will to make something happen, and second, the actual know-how—knowing exactly *how* to pull it off. If you're missing even one of those pieces, any sense of power you think you have is totally hollow, and it’ll turn into complete helplessness before you even realize it.

Can you dive a bit deeper into what you mean by "knowledge"?
I'm totally with you on the willpower part.
What is power? in Spirituality ·
brisktiger56 said:I don’t really see willpower as being synonymous with power.

More like... willpower is just the trigger that lets power actually get to work.

Hmm... so willpower is like the control module, while power is just the raw potential we have sitting there ready to go.
It’s still messing with my head.
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What is power? in Spirituality ·
Power is essentially a state where we have total command over our own energy. The mechanism that drives this control is the will.
Does that mean the will itself is power?
I think we could argue that (though I’m still chewing on it).
Which naturally leads us to the big question: what exactly is the will?

I need to sit with this and wrap my head around it for a few hours.
I told her I’d ship it as a package and even went ahead and packed it up properly, so she could tell me if there was a cheaper way to do it. Instead of actually giving me advice—like, "Hey, if the packaging isn't quite right, fix it so you don't have to use an envelope that's even $1.75"—she just shoved it into an envelope anyway. Whatever, lesson learned. 😁 From now on, I'm strictly using boxes for shipping; no more envelopes for me. 🙂
What is power? in Spirituality ·
brisktiger56 said:It hasn't quite clicked for me yet...

My take is that fear essentially blocks power—specifically, each individual fear targets a specific type of capability. For instance, if a guy is too scared to walk up to a girl he likes, his "power" to initiate contact is basically frozen. It's also pretty interesting how procrastinating just feeds the fear, making the actual move—like finally talking to her—feel even more daunting.

How do you actually "overpower" fear? You'd need some kind of power to do that, wouldn't you?
You mentioned that by surrendering part of our power to fear, we diminish our specific capabilities...
So, what's the move? What should we be thinking or doing to prevent that from happening in the first place?

In principle, we're saying the same thing here. Every time you cave to fear, your power weakens. Every time you push through it, your power grows.
How do you overpower fear? Through will—through decision. We don't need to get bogged down in a deep dive into the mechanics of how willpower works. It's pretty straightforward, like the old saying goes: "you just have to find the strength." Once you muster that strength, the fear loses its grip, and that power becomes yours to use.
What is power? in Spirituality ·
brisktiger56 said:Are those just your own observations or did you pull that from some book? Those lines feel a little too heavy-handed for my taste...

Isn't a person their own worst enemy—and arguably a natural enemy to everyone else, too?

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