jadeseal7 said:Man, I just wish that Honda would actually work—then we’d finally see what a total disaster McLaren has built... because they always seem to be at their worst when things are failing.
Look, there's no way they're the absolute bottom of the pack—they wouldn't even be behind a Manor running an old Ferrari engine if Manor had the same Ferrari power as the other customer teams. If that were the case, McLaren would be dead last. And honestly? I don't buy that McLaren built such a junk chassis... word on the street is their chassis is actually one of the better ones out there.
But look, we know where the line is drawn between what's McLaren's responsibility and what belongs to Honda. You can't have the chassis crew meddling with engine development—that’s just not how it works. It's pretty obvious that Honda is the main culprit here since they're always the ones in the spotlight—and because you can actually see the impact out on the track... I honestly don't get how anyone could argue otherwise.🙂
jadeseal7 said:Whatever—I just hope things aren't like that at Ford and they actually respect some kind of flat hierarchy... but hey, who knows...
And neonfox65, like you and Joe said, McLaren had a Mečkin engine all these years, then last year they finally got the BEST engine and they still sucked...
Then they ink this deal with Ford, cram everything into such a tiny space that even Newey wouldn't dare design it like that—plus throw in that Ford PU being a year late—and there you go, a ruined season. McLaren's whole approach is totally warped. They think radical moves win championships... maybe once in a blue moon, but usually? No....
Look at Ferrari—hard work, actual effort, and they’ve got three wins this year after barely hitting a podium last year.
I'm just saying what everyone already knows—the biggest culprit is HONDA. Even Alonso called them a "GP2 engine," and the media is constantly reporting they're lagging by over 100 HP.
Man, if they had actually fixed that issue, they could've sorted it out in a single race—just a simple expansion and they'd be good to go—but obviously, Ford is struggling to deliver any real power...
jadeseal7 said:Maybe Ford finally gets their act together—but the real question is whether McLaren can actually pull it off... ☕
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ruggedhawk20 said:I've been saying this forever—in this marriage, McLaren is definitely the weak link, not Ford.
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McLaren has been putting out absolute garbage cars for years now.
So what did Ford even do here? Who’s actually responsible for this mess—is it McLaren or Ford? Honestly, I think it's pretty obvious, though I'm not sure why I'm even asking... 🙂
stormybadger8 said:It wouldn't even matter—I've had neonfox65 on ignore for a long time now... What’s the point of betting on avatars or who's posting what—why would I care about someone I don't even read unless it's in a random quote block somewhere else🤷
Heh, you came right up to me and asked about the bet, then when I actually offered it to you, you backed down. Typical...👋
stormybadger8 said:By the way—if anyone's feeling lucky and wants to place a bet on the whole Vettel vs. Alonso to you situation... things are about to get wild 😁
If I win, you’re banned from posting on this forum for six months—starting December 1st, 2016. Deal?
If Ferrari pulls off a championship with Vettel next year, I’ll be right here publicly admitting—in front of everyone—that Vettel is actually the better driver compared to Alonso.
ESPN has learned, with the issue having returned to the agenda in the wake of Justin Wilson's fatal IndyCar crash.
Wilson died as the result of serious head injuries he suffered when he was struck by flying debris at Sunday's IndyCar race at Pocono.
That accident has really reignited the whole conversation around bringing closed cockpits to top-tier single-seaters—something that actually started picking up steam back in 2009 right after those scary accidents with Felipe Massa and Henry Surtees.
Massa dealt with head injuries after getting hit by a spring during the United States Grand Prix, which happened only a week after rising talent Henry Surtees lost his life from a loose wheel strike.
ruggedhawk20 said:tech doesn't have anything to do with raw speed
it's all about the rules
just drop the weight down to 1,000—1,100 pounds. Let them run some 3.5 or 4-liter turbo engines, bring back ground effects and those fat tires... and there you go, pure speed. And honestly? None of that actually relies on cutting-edge tech. Maybe fifty years ago we could talk about high-end technology—but today, a car like that would just be a dinosaur. A lightning-fast dinosaur, obviously...
Well, if that's how you look at it, then I guess I'm with you...👍
I was thinking about the peak of technology—you know, keeping Formula 1 as the fastest sport out there because even the drivers themselves have said they just want to pilot the quickest cars possible. But honestly? As for the tech itself... I don't really care. At the end of the day, it’s all about the show for me.
Honestly, it doesn't even matter which tech is actually building the fastest cars—people just don't care. I'm pretty sure more than half the fans watching couldn't tell you a single thing about how these modern engines actually work.
jadeseal7 said:Then everyone should just stick to the lower series and enjoy themselves.
Yeah, but I didn't mention one thing—people want to see the best drivers and the fastest cars. It's not really about the tech for them... it's all about the show.
What we really need is to just scrap this mountain of restrictions in the rulebook—let the engineers and teams actually have some freedom to decide what they want to build and how...
Look, we tried that once, and all it did was trigger rule changes that led us straight to the current mess—which isn't any better. And trust me, if fans had to choose between crazy tech and actual racing, they’d pick the racing every single time. I mean, who cares if two drivers are battling it out and one has a massive turbo engine or whatever—if the racing is good, people are happy. Even Briatore said something similar like ten years ago, and he was spot on. If only Formula 1 would finally get the hint...
jadeseal7 said:Why would they ever get rid of aerodynamics?? Just so we can have even slower cars, right? So everyone can go back to complaining about how slow they are...
Look, you could just crank up the horsepower and solve that—that's the easiest part. But if you really want to see actual racing, you've gotta ditch the front and rear wings entirely, like they do in Formula Ford. Instead of messing around with DRS and all those artificial gimmicks just to force an overtake, they should actually look at the root cause and fix that...
Honestly, IndyCar has way too many wings on them these days. Look, I get that Formula 1 needs to be the absolute peak of technology, but if you ask me, we should ditch all that aero stuff and just focus on increasing mechanical grip instead...
William Bennett53 said:You see overtaking in series like the Skoda Cup too—it’s just cheap, consumer-grade tech where all the cars are basically identical, zero aero, and boom, you get passing. But that isn't Formula 1, that's just NASCAR or the Skoda Cup...
Look, we're talking about open-wheel cars here—how Formula 1 used to be back before wings were everywhere—and honestly, it wouldn't be a bad idea to bring that back. Aero has just killed the ability to pass. Now they're stuck inventing things like DRS or messing with tire compounds just to force artificial overtaking instead of actually fixing the root cause...