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I feel like this forum is out to get me in Feedback & Suggestions ·
I honestly don't get what her deal is. She acts like she's this ultra-strict vegan saint, looking down on anyone who even touches meat. It’s actually pretty gross how much she obsesses over posting about how meat and processed products cause cancer.
Linda Harris44 said:What beautiful food photos! Just compare those to pictures of dead animals.

Linda Harris44 said:Hehehe, good one!
Except for the fact that people eating a standard omnivorous diet end up suffering through endless doctor visits from age 40 until the day they die.

She goes on and on about how "meat smells bad," how it "makes her nauseous," and how she "can't stand the scent of meat" (or animal proteins, whatever). And then, out of nowhere, she drops two posts that completely contradict everything she's been preaching for months—even years! It's so obvious she's just making things up, because she literally admits right there that she consumes animal proteins (since humans are animals, not plants—that's just science!) and that she feels great doing it.
In the nutrition thread.
Is it really that frustrating to get caught in a lie? Especially when you've spent years insisting something is absolutely revolting? That’s really the crux of the whole thing.

And her reaction? It just perfectly shows her "intellect," her mindset, and how she processes things. Here's a 30-year-old at the peak of her cognitive abilities, and her big contribution is saying, "Oh, I just provide my loved ones with pleasures," posted in a NUTRITION THREAD (as if anyone cares about that or if it even matters to the topic!). And then she spends the entire morning causing all this drama.
😵😵
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Linda Harris44 said:I would really appreciate it if everyone could pay attention to how Brenda Gonzalez12 keeps being incredibly rude and keeps dragging my old posts from the Lions Club back into this open thread. Honestly, I don't see what any of that has to do with the Libertarian Party, let alone the current topic at hand.

Are you actually struggling to find real arguments? Are you trying to suggest that you didn't write those posts? Or maybe that they aren't the reason you started this whole thread in the first place?
Look, you're an adult. You chose to write those things, so you should probably own up to those little gems you dropped! The fact that you choose to share your private business publicly is entirely your call but you can't really blame people for seeing them, reading them, and having an opinion. That’s why I always steer you back to the "hometown" threads whenever you start poking at my personal life. I don't broadcast my private stuff, and I certainly don't let anyone else post more than what I specifically authorize. And honestly, that's just the fundamental difference between us.
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Kimberly Ward said:I wouldn't put it that way. Maybe try reading between the lines a little? I actually asked two different questions specifically about eye health earlier, and I think I only got one actual answer out of it. Honestly, if someone were to call you Dr. Joseph or Nurse Veronica, wouldn't you react the exact same way? I highly doubt it. When I first saw this segment on a news program like 60 Minutes, I honestly thought someone was playing a joke on me! Any sane person is going to consult mainstream medicine first, and then look into alternative medicine—they don't have to be mutually exclusive at all.

Personally, I feel like you might have posted your question in the wrong spot. If you already tried looking on the Medicine forum (I think there’s a specific PDF guide for ophthalmology over there) and didn't get an answer, I'm really sorry to hear that—it's frustrating when you can't find a solution. But based on what I've seen here, you probably aren't going to get a helpful response anyway, and it looks like that's exactly what happened.
As for me, I truly have no idea if you are actually Nurse Veronica or not! But even if you are, if you're providing solid, logical, and sensible advice, I don't see any harm in calling yourself Nurse Veronica, Nurse Azalea, or whatever makes you feel most comfortable. In fact, I think it's the opposite! Just focus on building a reputation for giving great advice and being a real asset to everyone here. Let's aim for constructive contributions instead of being like the folks who just show up to tear things down.
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Kimberly Ward said:Lorelei, honestly, you're missing the point here. They aren't going to get banned, for whatever reason they feel like using. Can't you see they're calling me Veronica's sister, even though I don't even know who she is! If you really want to dig through my old posts, go ahead—I've reported things before, and those threads ended up getting locked immediately. It’s not just about you; it’s about everyone else too. It doesn't matter if someone disagrees with an opinion, but the insults started ages ago, and it has totally crossed the line for a civil discussion. The only one from that group who actually talked to me was the user jednoumlje. Seriously, I haven't seen such childish behavior anywhere else. On any other subforum, they would have been kicked out instantly for being off-topic. This thread will probably get shut down too, simply because you poked the "untouchable" one. That's why I just stopped posting in that specific thread.

Wait, hold on—where did I ever say you were Veronica's sister? Actually, it was the exact opposite! When that was mentioned, I asked you directly if that was actually you or not, just so we could clear the air and stop people from messing with you if you weren't. But instead, you just lost it and started throwing insults.

And it's definitely not true that you stopped posting; you're constantly active in the chat, helping boost China-IT's post count through all those chat games. ☕
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Linda Harris44 said:Please try to stay on topic.

Are we really going to let this kind of blatant harassment and twisted sexism slide without any consequences again?
If that's the case, what is even the point of FEMA, and does anyone actually see the value in starting new threads here?
Other users have been penalized for much smaller infractions, yet this is one of the most offensive insults possible—is this really going to go unpunished?

The only thing "perverted" here is you broadcasting your private life all over the internet, honey. And then you have the nerve to brag about it.
Go play saint somewhere else; now everyone knows exactly what kind of "saint" you actually are. Yikes. It’s honestly rare to encounter someone so crude and ill-mannered. Your "outrageous insults" are nothing more than reactions to how YOU have been insulting people from thread to thread. But hey... let's be "honest." Stop talking nonsense, get a grip on the foolishness you post everywhere, cool your head, AND START STAYING ON TOPIC if you want people to leave you alone.
The real issue is that whenever you hit a snag, you spout this total gibberish that proves within ten minutes that you can't hold a coherent conversation about the subject at hand. Is that carrot you're obsessing over giving you trouble? The one you claim has zero "carbs"? That was your big moment of brilliance. And look at that—it’s only been 24 hours since Ibrahim-Pr posted that ridiculous claim about fruit having no carbohydrates. It's funny how you both don't even know the same basic facts. So many "experts" out here handing out "advice" on nutrition. 🤦🤦

Maybe we should suggest stopping medical treatments altogether too?
Lorelei S said:Chemotherapy only extends life for a short while, and even if a patient is lucky enough to survive, the disease will likely relapse within a few years, leading right back to the same cycle before death eventually comes. It’s an uncertain way to live, so it might be better to explore alternative treatment methods. I wish them nothing but the best.
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Kimberly Ward said:Lorelai S, unfortunately nothing came of it—since they were reported multiple times for being insulting, the thread got locked pretty fast. Honestly, I bet the same thing will happen here, and they’ll probably just slide by without any consequences.

Oh, honey, you’re really the last person who should be lecturing anyone about being insulting! Nobody is even picking on you in the chat right now, but you totally bailed from the forums because you basically had a meltdown, and then you ended up grounded from your phone because of all the drama and name-calling.
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Nicole Johnson20 said:I honestly don't know what "agreement" you think we made, but I don't have any deals with anyone that would stop me from speaking the truth about what's actually happening or calling out excessive behavior (especially when the people paid to moderate it just let it slide). I'm not the type to join a cult or follow a pack mentality. ☕

So, what are you asking? Should I go back and re-post all those threads where you absolutely went off on me and my family? You were acting like I was some random forum user named @onebrain, using details about his life—which weren't even part of your conversation with him!—just to start attacking me, my wife, and my kids. I should probably just highlight that entire string of posts to show the waves of rage coming at you, just so you could cool off and then conveniently vanish the next day once you realized how bad you sounded.

Or maybe I should paste the posts where you were responding to Lorelei (but oops, you were using the wrong profile!) and then claimed you had every right to jump into someone else's business?

Are you suggesting I repost where you wrote this over on the FBI boards?
Look, this would be a total disaster for everyone's choices: I'm assuming your professional life is basically non-existent, considering you keep bringing up your wife and kids whom you've clearly never seen except while camping in a tent.

Oh, wait, you were the one talking about that "deal," weren't you? Or was there someone else hiding behind your profile?
Since I don't want to write an entire novel detailing my opinion on every single thing (because if I start, I won't stop!), what exactly would you all consider acceptable to post in that subforum? How can we end the mocking, the insults, and the trolling so a group of people can actually come together and have a peaceful discussion about things they care about?
(Maybe we could make a checklist of "YES" vs "NO" examples—like sharing personal experiences, stories from famous people, anecdotes from strangers, signed testimonials, stuff read online, general advice, or even just stating an opinion while explicitly labeling it as "layman's perspective," etc.)
I'm talking specifically about the alternative medicine PDF discussions.
Or if anyone has a better, more constructive suggestion for finding common ground (if my list isn't helpful enough for you).

And that whole vibe lasted less than 24 hours before IBM, Microsoft, Arsen, and then Lorelei S. jumped in. Because those characters aren't here to actually discuss things—they're here to derail topics, insult people, and find sick amusement in it. Whether it's Microsoft and whoever is actually falling for that nonsense, IBM laughing his head off while his friend struggles with a nasty flu, or Lorelei writing about her partner's preferences and comparing the taste of vegetarian versus meat-eaters... and then getting all offended when someone points out how weird that is!

It’s pretty obvious there’s one group of people who just love to write everything down, and then there's another crowd that seems more interested in other stuff—and I don't necessarily mean anything related to mental health!
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Richard Ramirez87 said:We’ve been reaching out to make peace for days now, but you guys just bite our hands and then go ahead and start two different threads on the forum in a single day.

Yesterday I was the target, today it's Brenda Gonzalez12, and tomorrow it'll probably be RabbitPass or whoever else. It feels like we're just going down the entire legendary "ignore list" one by one before the whole cycle starts all over again. Honestly, I can see it coming from a mile away! 🍿

I'm telling you, I'd bet anything that this whole mess is being orchestrated by that psycho Ibrahim-Pr. The guy has completely lost his mind! He’ll pump out 30 posts, wait for people to reply, and then delete everything just so he and his little clique can mock everyone for responding to "non-existent posts." He actually tripped himself up this time because he missed some quotes in one thread—he didn't manage to scrub them all before getting caught, and then he went totally silent.
It's pretty obvious what's happening: IBRAHIM-PR is intentionally and deliberately nuking the "Raw Food," "Vaccination," "Nutrition," and "Civil Discourse in Alternative Health" threads. He does it just so he can wipe his own nonsensical rambling and start fresh (using a different handle or profile) to spout the exact same nonsense all over again. On top of that, he's trying to turn his own frustrations into a way to get a permanent ban for as many of the ten forum members on his so-called "IGNORE LIST" as possible. These are the people who refuse to let him spread his incorrect, false, unverified, malicious, and corrupt ideas, "testimonies," and pseudo-medical "ADVICE" (like claiming apple seeds cure cancer, staring at paper or the sun fixes nearsightedness, how raw food cures Crohn's disease and diabetes, how vaccines are harmful, or how medical procedures are actually just killing patients) across the internet under the guise of "ALTERNATIVE advice"—even though his stuff has nothing to do with actual alternative medicine and actually just damages the reputation of legitimate alternative practitioners.
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Sophia Fowler44 said:When exactly? Like, three months ago? I really don't get why you're trying to make excuses for those insults. And honestly, why do you keep bringing his family into this? What is it that makes you so obsessed with their business anyway?

Here we go! You’ve officially kicked things off by posting on the nutrition thread using this specific style:
Tina Fey said:I honestly have no clue which guy you’re talking about! I don't know what he's posting about, and more importantly, why on earth you're bringing him up to me? Haha!
I'm sorry, I didn't quite catch that! It looks like you might have sent a single letter by mistake. If you were trying to share something or ask a question, please go ahead and send it over—I'm all ears and ready to chat!So, I’m popping in here to ask for a little bit of advice! Honestly, if you’re feeling inspired to weigh in, I would absolutely love to hear your thoughts—anyone is more than welcome to join the conversation. But please, don't feel any pressure at all! If you aren't interested or don't have anything to add, there is zero need to reply. I just figured I'd throw this out there and see what you all think! I really want to say thank you to everyone here for stepping up and offering such great advice—I truly appreciate every single one of you, including you, Brenda Gonzalez12! It means the world that you all care enough to weigh in. That being said, after hearing all those different perspectives, my brother has decided to just follow his gut and do whatever feels right for him. I’ve realized there’s no point in me trying to steer him in a certain direction; he needs to make this call on his own terms, so I’m just going to step back and let him decide!

Da bi nastavila iz ničega ovako:
Tina Fey said:You’re really going to call me out on that here on the forum? You're telling me I'm the one who keeps nagging you to go somewhere where people actually know what they're talking about! 😂😵
I mean, don't I have the right to decide for myself what makes sense and what doesn't? It feels like people are trying to force their opinions on me in such an aggressive way, and honestly, looking at how this is going down, it’s starting to feel pretty much like coercion!
I honestly came here looking for some genuine advice, but instead of actually helping me, it felt like everything except those few helpful words you wrote was just a massive smear campaign against the other user who was trying to lend a hand! He actually gave some advice and told us to just do whatever we felt was best! He wasn't nearly as aggressive about pushing me off-topic like you have been.
And you’re seriously trying to tell me that everyone else on this board is just a bunch of idiots giving terrible advice? You’re really out here attempting to convince me that they're all bad—honestly! Wait, I see you’ve been posting non-stop all day! And here I thought you were supposed to be out at the beach enjoying some quality time with the family?So, if these people are bothering you this much, why on earth are you still spending so much energy writing these massive posts? Honestly! You’re practically driving me to change the subject just to get some peace!
I’ve gotta be honest—I just can't wrap my head around it. I'm sorry, but it totally makes zero sense to me!

Honestly, seeing the way you’ve been tearing down people who were just genuinely trying to be helpful? It actually made my stomach turn. I mean, seriously, it was just really hard to watch..

So, after people literally tore you apart and laid out all the receipts proving you’re just lying—basically showing everyone that you're nothing more than a fake, manufactured clone profile—you decided to write two massive, half-page essays fixated entirely on me, only to claim you're "done" responding to my posts! Honestly, I can't even with this level of deflection.
Oh boy, here comes the clone again to jump into the conversation! It’s honestly pretty hilarious because nobody was actually talking to you. Everyone was just sitting there waiting for you to drop that "miraculous weight loss hack from my imaginary brother" nonsense you posted in the nutrition thread just to derail a perfectly good discussion.

Oh man, come on! Couldn't you have made a slightly better clone profile than that? 🤦
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Nicole Johnson20 said:Nica is absolutely beaming with pride! She’s standing right there behind them, giving nothing but pure, heartfelt support.

He actually went ahead and wrote that out loud—asking if Lorelai even cares about social media, and claiming he’s going to insult her every single time she posts anything on Alternative. Honestly? No comment from me! 👎

Grandpa Lee, I honestly thought that once we kicked off that thread about civil communication over on Alternative, we had finally cleared the air on everything. If you’ve been paying attention, you’ll notice I haven’t left a single comment on any of your posts or said one mean thing since then. I’ve been sticking strictly to what we agreed on! But instead of giving me the benefit of the doubt, you went straight for Nica.

Look, there’s a massive difference between Lorelei being sincere and her suddenly trying to pull an overnight power trip—trying to ban everyone left and right in that intense style of hers. Honestly, if you ask me, it feels like Abraham is actually the one pulling the strings behind the keyboard instead of her!

I’m going to lay it all out right here and give her a straight answer once and for all, just so we can finally settle this and see who actually deserves to be banned!

It’s been four months now, and this lady—even though I haven't even directed a single word toward her—has been relentlessly attacking other users, claiming that @one_mind is just my clone. And honestly, Leena, you’re doing the exact same thing, and frankly, the way you do it is so blunt and tacky that it's actually embarrassing. Of course, with the help of the team—Google, Ibrahim-PR, and Lorelei—there have been several threads opened up where she tries to argue that a group of nine different forum members is actually just one person (me) using clones to populate the board. Does that sound reasonable to anyone? Everyone else can see through it easily; the only people clinging to this nonsense are those of you who clearly have personal motives for these constant attacks. Even the Moderators and Nica have to step in and shut these threads down constantly because, let's be real, you're all boring everyone to death with the same repetitive story! At the end of the day, it all boils down to the frustrations of one specific "individual" who genuinely believes he’s some kind of messianic genius. He thinks he knows everything—like his ridiculous claim that fruit contains no carbohydrates and that the body just synthesizes its own Vitamin C as long as there's enough Carbon, Hydrogen, and Oxygen present. To him, every single thread and every single idea that isn't his own "brilliant" vision is seen as a personal disruption to his perfect little world.
So, here’s the latest drama from my side of the world. I’ve been dealing with this absolute nightmare involving a user named Ibrahim-PR, who is—to put it lightly—completely unhinged. This person actually crossed the line into full-blown harassment, digging up my private info and even sending unsolicited texts to people close to me in real life. It got so bad that I actually had to file a formal police report just to get some protection. Since then, it feels like there's been a coordinated effort to basically nuking the Alternative forums. They’re systematically shutting down and deleting threads left and right. And the worst part? In about 90% of these posts, the topic isn't even what the title says—it’s just a targeted attack on me! They keep repeating these blatant lies over and over again like some kind of broken record, constantly bringing up known scammers and troublemakers as if they have any credibility at all. To top it all off, Lorelai is being incredibly rude and aggressive, totally dominating these threads with her obnoxious behavior. It’s honestly exhausting!

Honestly, I’ve had just about enough. Lorelei is constantly going after people with those cheap ad hominem attacks, post after post. It’s getting really personal—she’s even throwing insults at my family members (calling someone "looking rough in bed") and making jabs at kids. It’s just plain nasty. A bunch of us on the forum actually stepped in to give her a heads-up that her behavior was being totally inappropriate, crude, and just straight-up rude, but did she listen? Nope. She actually doubled down and started acting even worse!

And this latest thing that apparently "really hit her hard"... just, wow.I honestly can't even begin to tell you—her post is just something else! It’s one of those things where you have to sit down, grab a coffee, and really process what she actually wrote. I was scrolling through, saw it, and was just like, "Wait, did she really just say that?" It's definitely quite the read! Public She posted it over on the LJES forum! So, look, I’m not just making this up—it’s actually real! Twice! Seriously, twice! Can you actually believe it’s been six whole months already?! Time is absolutely flying by! It’s a carbon copy! It’s happened again—just like every other typical forum regular. Did anyone actually force her to write that? Of course not. She went out of her way to post it all over again just so she could get her name mentioned (even if it meant dealing with those nasty comments over on LJES) and to take a cheap shot at Alternative.

I actually shared that post specifically because she was being incredibly disrespectful to everyone in the nutrition thread. She was making these nasty comments about how meat "smells disgusting" to her and claiming she wouldn’t touch it in a million years—all while I had clearly explained my reasoning (and yes, I wrote that explanation three different times!). But the second her own post got flagged in that same thread, she suddenly lost it. She started throwing insults and threats left and right, and of course, her little "squad" jumped in to defend her, almost like they all coordinated to be online at the exact same moment just to ganging up on me. Honestly, if you take a quick look at her profile and check out what two other users have been posting in that nutrition discussion, you'll see exactly what I'm talking about. They’ve moved past the actual topic and started attacking my weight, my lifestyle, my family, even my private life—which is wild, considering I don't even bring that stuff up because I believe privacy matters! They're picking at my advice, too (maybe I should just start a whole new thread dedicated to personal harassment?), and even bringing up death and the idea of treating cancer with raw food—even though the admin already shut that specific topic down because of the dangerous, non-medical advice involved. It's just exhausting.

Who on earth were those comments aimed at YESTERDAY? THE TOPIC IS NUTRITION

Lorelai said:The results of habits like that show up most clearly in someone's physical appearance, which then spills over into some pretty unbalanced behavior.

Google said:Well, you're not wrong! We've all seen some pretty terrible photos that gave us a good laugh... honestly, it's no wonder people with that kind of look carry so much frustration toward women; we notice it all the time.

Lorelai said:So true. I have never once received such nasty, sexist, or downright repulsive remarks from a decent, well-mannered man—only from that one frustrated individual. Honestly, it’s just sad.

Ibrahim-PR said:You know that expression "old crank"?
There's clearly a reason people say it. 😂

Ibrahim-PR said:Are you calling him an old crank? 😁

Lorelai said:Getting older, carrying extra weight, and dealing with gas...

Ibrahim-PR said:And she looks great too—not some heavy-set person constantly stuffing themselves with hot dogs. She looks so good you practically have to run away just to save face, you know? Like, "just keep walking and don't look back, honey."

Now that everyone on the forum has finally called her out for being so trashy—showing how her whole act is just a manufactured tantrum fueled by her own frustrations—she’s suddenly playing the "victim" card and heading straight to the moderators.

It’s transparent, it’s pathetic, and honestly, it fits perfectly with that same old crowd we always see (Ibrahim-PR, Google, Lorelei S, Leena). At this point, it's hard to tell who's actually a real person and who's just someone jumping on someone else's account.
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Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Are you serious, you really don't know? It’s actually pretty hilarious how you were the very first one to jump in and reply to her on the Forum! Alright everyone, let’s dive in—the topic of the day is NUTRITION!!

Elizabeth Jackson stormytiger4 said:
Lorelei_S The user said:Honestly, I think even when he’s hanging out with his wife or dealing with his... erm... third child, he’s still thinking about this and checking posts on the Forum. He is right on the edge of losing his mind! Poor guy is just totally overwhelmed, haha!

The whole Forum sees right through him. It looks like we’ve become his total obsession!
Exactly! Honestly, why would anyone even bring that up in a thread specifically about nutrition? It feels so out of place! 😁
Is the pain from being ignored really that intense? 😁
I’ve finally decided—I’m going to write a book! The working title? *How to Troll Your Way Out of Half Your Life.* Stay tuned!
What was that saying again? That a person is truly at home when they're by the ocean? Honestly, it feels like I might actually be in the Caribbean right now! I’ve heard that there’s just something about those tropical beaches that gives you this special kind of vibe—you know, that perfect setting to spend half the day posting on the Forum, venting to people you can't stand, or just staring at folks who are clearly doing better than you and whom you can't even find a single flaw in!

Elizabeth Jackson said:
Lorelei_S Asks:
Let's talk about diet! Or rather... let's not? Actually, scratch that—let's definitely dive into it! Oh boy, let me tell you—old Brenda Gonzalez12 is really going through it lately when it comes to those intimate struggles! It’s honestly such a heavy topic, but I just had to bring it up because it feels like we're all navigating these messy human hurdles together. Poor thing is dealing with some real issues in her sex life, and it’s one of those things that people usually only whisper about in dark corners, you know? But hey, there's no shame in being real about it! 🤣
Honestly, this whole topic has been pretty much ruined for a long time now, mostly because that guy just won't stop picking at it!

What are you even supposed to do... when you’re staring down fifty and life is hitting you from every angle? Honestly, some people think this Forum is the perfect place to vent all that frustration by just throwing insults at anyone they deem "better off" than themselves. It's such a strange way to handle things!
But let's be real—it’s just clearly not working!

So, shall we keep this momentum going? Let's dive back in!

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Look, I didn't just go around hitting the ignore button on everyone because I lack the patience for endless debates—that was all you. And let’s get one thing straight: I wasn't the one poking around and trying to be "funny" by bringing up personal info. That was your move. Oh, and about that little legal headache? I didn't get reported for sending threatening texts after digging through private data online and sending those late-night messages "full of love and understanding"—honestly, you’re the one laughing at that! It’s funny how it works, though: when you decide to be the "witty and vibrant" one, suddenly everyone else is just being "irritable." Well, if we're going to play it that way, I guess we can all have a good laugh together!

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Just a quick correction to what you said: Honestly, looking back at Gnu's history, they haven't posted a single thing without being rude to someone!And honestly, let’s be real—not a single post should ever be made without those nasty personal attacks. That’s just how it should be!

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Look, if someone’s behavior is just a personal quirk—or even if it points toward some underlying health issues—then fine, that’s their business. That’s totally understandable. But when someone decides that a certain behavior is absolutely UNACCEPTABLE, and then goes against the very Forum Rules they agreed to follow the moment they joined? Well, that changes things. At that point, it isn't just a preference anymore; it's an issue that needs to be addressed and rooted out.

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Talking sense to you is a lost cause. And newsflash: people aren't just talking to themselves. To you, anyone having a conversation with someone else—as long as it isn't WITH YOU—is somehow a clone, a manipulator, or just "talking to themselves." Maybe that's because you have so many clones in your life that you really *are* just talking to yourself. And you honestly think everyone else is doing the exact same thing.
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Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Look, let’s be real for a second. A few people in this group are genuinely trying—using what little common sense is left—to stop you and your band of followers from posting such dangerous nonsense here. We're talking about unverified claims and total garbage that just feels like some weird, cult-like obsession with fringe theories. Now, don't get me wrong: you have every right to hold whatever opinions you want regarding vaccinations, Raw Food, or how you choose to treat illnesses. But please, let's try to keep things grounded in the real world! Look, you just can't, you shouldn't, and honestly? You don't even have the right to! Look, putting people in harm's way by telling them to ditch their doctors while you pretend to be some kind of nutrition, health, or pharmaceutical expert? Honestly, just stop. You aren't any of those things. You don't have even the most basic foundation of knowledge here—what you're trying to pass off as expertise is honestly on par with a middle schooler who spent every single class cutting class and skipping lessons!
Look, seriously, nobody is stopping you from sharing your thoughts! If you feel like a certain food is amazing or just want to rave about what’s working for you, go for it. There are absolutely no rules against posting about how good a specific dish or ingredient is! Seriously, why is it like that?! Look, you never actually wrote that down—mostly because it’s pretty obvious you don't really have a clue about this stuff! But if you ask me, you shouldn't be out there telling people to ditch their vaccinations, walk away from their oncologists, or swap out proven medical treatments for some random Alternative Treatment or just eating total junk, all because YOU personally feel like it's okay.
As long as I'm around, there's no way I'm handing that over to you! Look, it’s pretty simple: your rights are yours, and my rights are mine. Let's just keep it that way!

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Look, just because something isn't part of mainstream medicine doesn't mean we should immediately label it as dangerous quackery that puts patients at risk! There’s a huge difference between "not officially endorsed" and "actually harmful."

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

So, you think you follow all the rules to a T, huh? 😁
Izvoli, LOUD AND CLEAR!:
Just to make sure we’re all on the same page moving forward: things have gotten a little chaotic here, and that PDF has completely vanished into thin air where it definitely shouldn't have! Look, I am all for discussing Alternative Treatment methods—honestly, I love a good deep dive—but we absolutely cannot encourage anyone to ignore modern medicine or disregard what their doctor tells them. Let's keep it responsible! You aren't allowed to promote methods that have been scientifically proven to be harmful and dangerous.

So, who exactly is breaking the rules here?
Should I mention how refusing to vaccinate children is punishable? Or how practicing unlicensed medicine—like telling people to skip chemotherapy or giving advice about staring at the Sun—is against the law?

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Why would I hold back? Am *I* the one holding back? You’re the one making snide remarks through your signature (which actually got you banned, by the way). You're the one attacking families, insulting kids, digging up private info, and posting nasty stuff about people. You're the one trolling and derailing entire conversations! And you want to talk about "politeness"? Has the police shown up at your door yet? If not, they might soon. Then you can try explaining your version of "polite posting" to them. I'd love to hear how that goes!

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

When you can't get through to a fool with kind words, they usually just resort to mindless yelling and screeching. It's a scientific fact!

Now, because I know someone is going to claim they don't understand the context, I really need to provide a thread for this absolute masterclass in genius:
Brenda Gonzalez12 said:
stormyrider28 Asks:
Honestly, you really have to look at what the person who started this thread was actually expecting when they hit "post." To me, it just feels like they're incredibly on edge because things aren't going their way—specifically regarding trying to shut down certain threads or even entire sub-forums. They’re basically forcing an agenda and just badgering everyone here about it, spending entire days hovering over the Forum. It’s pretty obvious that nothing is actually going to change. If the Alternative side were allowed to moderate those specific few users, they’d be gone in a heartbeat, and we’d finally have some actual order around here!

Honestly, all these trolls (and everyone else who’s going to step up to take their place) are going to keep hanging around as long as we allow the bad actors—the people with actual malice, the clueless ones, and those completely lacking common sense—to run wild in these threads. They spend their time insulting others and spreading blatant lies or unverified nonsense that puts anyone trying to find answers—even if they're looking for an Alternative Treatment—in real danger. If people are searching for solutions to their problems, those answers actually need to make sense and, more importantly, NOT cause harm! But instead, you guys seem to be doing everything in your power to hurt people. Seriously, what is the motivation behind this? It’s honestly something someone should really look into and address. ☕

Why would Alternative ever shut down?
Honestly, it’s actually pretty fun when you take a little mathematical approach to all this! You know what they say—repetition is the mother of wisdom, even if what’s being repeated is total nonsense. If you just sit back and crunch the numbers by scanning through all these threads, you end up with this:
stormyrider28 has gone on record no less than 44 times claiming he "knows six people" who completely cured their cancer just by switching to Raw Food—and he even tossed in that one person supposedly kicked both Crohn’s and diabetes to the curb with it! Of course, this incredible medical miracle hasn't exactly made its way into any scientific journals or mainstream news, but hey, Gnu always insists he's preaching the "absolute truth." He just kept repeating it like a broken record until everyone else finally started poking fun at him!
Honestly, stormyrider28 and Elizabeth Jackson have gone on about sixty-eight different times now, preaching that meat is basically toxic, carcinogenic, and just straight-up poison for the human body. It’s getting a little old! When you actually ask them to back up those wild claims with some real substance, they completely freeze up. They always fall back on this vague "WHO research" line—which, let's be real, they clearly haven't actually read themselves. Instead, they just skim through flashy headlines from sites like People Magazine, USA Today, or various clickbait news portals and call it "science." And the funniest part? When you point out that it’s actually the processed additives and preservatives that do the damage, rather than the meat itself, they don't have a single clue how to respond. They just go silent!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone and posted twenty-six different times about how some little kid from a coastal town like Miami caught measles right after getting vaccinated. There’s absolutely zero follow-up or any official explanation regarding what actually happened, because apparently, we aren't allowed to provide the facts here—we just have to keep fueling this extreme anti-vax sentiment!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record twenty-seven different times claiming that you won't find a single raw vegan patient in an oncology ward. It’s a bold claim! But honestly, when it comes to explaining why people who follow a Raw Food lifestyle might choose to decline conventional medical treatment altogether... well, there just isn't an answer for that.
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record at least 23 times now, claiming that chemotherapy is basically a death sentence and calling it a poison that everyone should steer clear of. It’s wild! Even when you throw actual data at her—you know, those statistics comparing standard recovery rates to the success stories from Alternative Treatment—she just brushes it off. She refuses to acknowledge any of it, insisting that the numbers are nothing more than lies cooked up by certain special interest groups. Honestly, it's quite a lot to take in!
-Elizabeth Jackson and stormyrider28 have gone back and forth at least 22 times claiming that a combined diet of meat and veggies is the absolute gold standard for weight loss and they swear by its effectiveness. The funny thing is, neither of them actually eats like that—they spend more time trashing people's food choices than following their own advice!
-Elizabeth Jackson has posted 23 separate times about how parents who refuse vaccinations should be hit with $667 fines, claiming that once they pay up, their kids become "acceptable and no longer a threat," even though everyone has already pointed out that this claim is a total fabrication. She keeps pushing this agenda and attacking anyone who disagrees, despite the fact that she doesn't even have children herself.
-stormyrider28 has dropped the exact same post 14 times across various threads, trying to call out Elizabeth Jackson for spreading ridiculous posts that promote "detox" methods that are actually life-threatening. Once people pointed out the potential side effects, this whole little "Alternative Treatment" clique jumped in to spread that specific snippet (but conveniently leaving out the explanation!) across different boards just to act like some forum member was being bullied, rather than addressing the dangerous nonsense being passed off as "advice."
Seriously, how many troll posts, ad hominem attacks, off-topic tangents, and straight-up malicious lies have been written by just three or four users (it’s always the same group: Elizabeth Jackson, stormyrider28, Lorelei_S, and Arsen...)?

How many violations, breaches of the rules, and breaks of the Forum guidelines have happened here? And you, stormyrider28, seriously have the nerve to come back and try to troll this thread again with your lies and nastiness?

Regarding these "insults"—honestly, it's like looking at a pathological case—you've already for the fourth time posted cropped snippets of text without any of the preceding context. In these snippets, within nutrition threads, people are talking about losing weight by doing things like inserting tubes up the backside, eating carrion, consuming filth, suggesting cannibalism, mocking deceased relatives, making light of terminal illnesses and dead children, insulting their own uneducated parents, mocking other members and their families, leaking private info, and even letting out homophobic, xenophobic, and ultra-nationalist rants...

Does it really bother you when a forum member—who isn't even participating in the actual debate—gets addressed by some petty, insecure person (someone who didn't even address them directly, but instead targeted their possible clone) like this?

The topic is "NUTRITION," meaning anything related to food that aids healing or promotes health, just so people are informed.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic, except for the pathological hatred you have toward me (which is obvious by which quotes you choose to pull). You're clearly obsessed with me because I won't let you post garbage without comment, especially since out of 900 posts, you don't have even 10 that are actually on-topic. In any thread, for that matter. Every single one of your posts—and anyone can verify this—is just ad hominem insults, trolling, or sucking up to a guy you claim you don't even know.
But look, stormyrider28, it's not my fault you're so incapable in life—unemployed, no family, no hobbies, no private life, just bitter and twisted. Since you've picked up all those ailments, you've turned to "Alternative Treatment" as a last resort. Those are your life choices, and as an adult, you need to learn to live with them.

Now, why don't you try to make a genuine mental effort and write a post that actually pertains to this topic? ☕

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Wow, what a beautiful example of lying under the guise of "honesty." They only picked one post from everyone and only pulled from the "NUTRITION" thread!

Lorelei:

Lorelei_S said:Hey, I'm jumping back into this thread! Let's talk about nutrition! Honestly, I feel like every single time I post, I end up bringing up my "so-called" wife and my two or three kids again. And yeah, let’s be real—I basically got that third kid as a little bonus package along with the whole divorce situation! But honestly? I couldn't be happier. They absolutely adore me, and we are having the best time together. It’s a total blast!
Honestly, if you ask a psychologist, they’d probably tell you that you’re just dealing with certain complexes and using defense mechanisms to cope. It’s pretty clear this topic hits a massive nerve for you—like, it really, really gets under your skin. But hey, why is that? You're the expert on your own feelings, after all!
You're teetering right on the edge there, Brenda Gonzalez12! Seriously, you're pushing it. At this point, it feels like neither the mountains nor any amount of charm is going to save you!

Elizabeth Jackson
Elizabeth Jackson said:It’s the honest truth—so many people are actually dealing with this. Honestly, there is this massive, unspoken pressure hanging over people's heads to rush into marriage and start having kids as fast as humanly possible—especially if you're hitting that 30 mark. It’s like there’s this invisible ticking clock constantly counting down, making you feel like you're falling behind if you haven't checked all those specific boxes by a certain age. It can be so overwhelming! Oh, I can think of plenty of examples like that! Honestly, I bet we’ve all seen them happen before—and if I’m being totally honest, some of you might even recognize yourselves in them!
If they don't pull it off, they end up spiraling into this deep depression—just totally miserable and frustrated because they can't seem to fit in with the rest of the crowd. At that point, they’ll basically marry just anyone, purely to check that social box and feel like they've finally fulfilled their "duty" to society. Just so they can blend right in with every other sheep in the flock.

stormyrider28
stormyrider28 The user said:Honestly, this just goes to show what a total joke he really is. He isn't out enjoying the beach at all; he’s probably just hiding away in his little hole somewhere, stuffing his face with hot dogs and trying to scramble together some response to us "idiots." Haha, seriously, where is the logic there? He spends all his time arguing with us online, yet acts like some big shot who's actually out on vacation in the Caribbean with his wife and three kids... haha! I have never seen anyone quite that pathetic in my life!

Should we keep going? I’ve still got enough material here to fill up at least five more topics!
Brenda Gonzalez12 said:
stormyrider28 Asks:
Honestly, you really have to look at what the person who started this thread was actually expecting when they hit "post." To me, it just feels like they're incredibly on edge because things aren't going their way—specifically regarding trying to shut down certain threads or even entire sub-forums. They’re basically forcing an agenda and just badgering everyone here about it, spending entire days hovering over the Forum. It’s pretty obvious that nothing is actually going to change. If the Alternative side were allowed to moderate those specific few users, they’d be gone in a heartbeat, and we’d finally have some actual order around here!

Honestly, all these trolls (and everyone else who’s going to step up to take their place) are going to keep hanging around as long as we allow the bad actors—the people with actual malice, the clueless ones, and those completely lacking common sense—to run wild in these threads. They spend their time insulting others and spreading blatant lies or unverified nonsense that puts anyone trying to find answers—even if they're looking for an Alternative Treatment—in real danger. If people are searching for solutions to their problems, those answers actually need to make sense and, more importantly, NOT cause harm! But instead, you guys seem to be doing everything in your power to hurt people. Seriously, what is the motivation behind this? It’s honestly something someone should really look into and address. ☕

Why would Alternative ever shut down?
Honestly, it’s actually pretty fun when you take a little mathematical approach to all this! You know what they say—repetition is the mother of wisdom, even if what’s being repeated is total nonsense. If you just sit back and crunch the numbers by scanning through all these threads, you end up with this:
stormyrider28 has gone on record no less than 44 times claiming he "knows six people" who completely cured their cancer just by switching to Raw Food—and he even tossed in that one person supposedly kicked both Crohn’s and diabetes to the curb with it! Of course, this incredible medical miracle hasn't exactly made its way into any scientific journals or mainstream news, but hey, Gnu always insists he's preaching the "absolute truth." He just kept repeating it like a broken record until everyone else finally started poking fun at him!
Honestly, stormyrider28 and Elizabeth Jackson have gone on about sixty-eight different times now, preaching that meat is basically toxic, carcinogenic, and just straight-up poison for the human body. It’s getting a little old! When you actually ask them to back up those wild claims with some real substance, they completely freeze up. They always fall back on this vague "WHO research" line—which, let's be real, they clearly haven't actually read themselves. Instead, they just skim through flashy headlines from sites like People Magazine, USA Today, or various clickbait news portals and call it "science." And the funniest part? When you point out that it’s actually the processed additives and preservatives that do the damage, rather than the meat itself, they don't have a single clue how to respond. They just go silent!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone and posted twenty-six different times about how some little kid from a coastal town like Miami caught measles right after getting vaccinated. There’s absolutely zero follow-up or any official explanation regarding what actually happened, because apparently, we aren't allowed to provide the facts here—we just have to keep fueling this extreme anti-vax sentiment!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record twenty-seven different times claiming that you won't find a single raw vegan patient in an oncology ward. It’s a bold claim! But honestly, when it comes to explaining why people who follow a Raw Food lifestyle might choose to decline conventional medical treatment altogether... well, there just isn't an answer for that.
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record at least 23 times now, claiming that chemotherapy is basically a death sentence and calling it a poison that everyone should steer clear of. It’s wild! Even when you throw actual data at her—you know, those statistics comparing standard recovery rates to the success stories from Alternative Treatment—she just brushes it off. She refuses to acknowledge any of it, insisting that the numbers are nothing more than lies cooked up by certain special interest groups. Honestly, it's quite a lot to take in!
-Elizabeth Jackson and stormyrider28 have gone back and forth at least 22 times claiming that a combined diet of meat and veggies is the absolute gold standard for weight loss and they swear by its effectiveness. The funny thing is, neither of them actually eats like that—they spend more time trashing people's food choices than following their own advice!
-Elizabeth Jackson has posted 23 separate times about how parents who refuse vaccinations should be hit with $667 fines, claiming that once they pay up, their kids become "acceptable and no longer a threat," even though everyone has already pointed out that this claim is a total fabrication. She keeps pushing this agenda and attacking anyone who disagrees, despite the fact that she doesn't even have children herself.
-stormyrider28 has dropped the exact same post 14 times across various threads, trying to call out Elizabeth Jackson for spreading ridiculous posts that promote "detox" methods that are actually life-threatening. Once people pointed out the potential side effects, this whole little "Alternative Treatment" clique jumped in to spread that specific snippet (but conveniently leaving out the explanation!) across different boards just to act like some forum member was being bullied, rather than addressing the dangerous nonsense being passed off as "advice."
Seriously, how many troll posts, ad hominem attacks, off-topic tangents, and straight-up malicious lies have been written by just three or four users (it’s always the same group: Elizabeth Jackson, stormyrider28, Lorelei_S, and Arsen...)?

How many violations, breaches of the rules, and breaks of the Forum guidelines have happened here? And you, stormyrider28, seriously have the nerve to come back and try to troll this thread again with your lies and nastiness?

Regarding these "insults"—honestly, it's like looking at a pathological case—you've already for the fourth time posted cropped snippets of text without any of the preceding context. In these snippets, within nutrition threads, people are talking about losing weight by doing things like inserting tubes up the backside, eating carrion, consuming filth, suggesting cannibalism, mocking deceased relatives, making light of terminal illnesses and dead children, insulting their own uneducated parents, mocking other members and their families, leaking private info, and even letting out homophobic, xenophobic, and ultra-nationalist rants...

Does it really bother you when a forum member—who isn't even participating in the actual debate—gets addressed by some petty, insecure person (someone who didn't even address them directly, but instead targeted their possible clone) like this?

The topic is "NUTRITION," meaning anything related to food that aids healing or promotes health, just so people are informed.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic, except for the pathological hatred you have toward me (which is obvious by which quotes you choose to pull). You're clearly obsessed with me because I won't let you post garbage without comment, especially since out of 900 posts, you don't have even 10 that are actually on-topic. In any thread, for that matter. Every single one of your posts—and anyone can verify this—is just ad hominem insults, trolling, or sucking up to a guy you claim you don't even know.
But look, stormyrider28, it's not my fault you're so incapable in life—unemployed, no family, no hobbies, no private life, just bitter and twisted. Since you've picked up all those ailments, you've turned to "Alternative Treatment" as a last resort. Those are your life choices, and as an adult, you need to learn to live with them.

Now, why don't you try to make a genuine mental effort and write a post that actually pertains to this topic? ☕

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Oops, looks like I slipped up!Inciting intolerance and hatred, " of all kinds?
Seriously, who on earth wrote this? (Let's see if people can guess three times!) THE TOPIC IS RAW FOOD.

Elizabeth Jackson said:We established a long time ago that humans in practice really are witnesses to everything—I've never denied that. But, in reality, a human being in practice is also an addict, a drunk, a homosexual, a serial killer, and someone eating junk food while fighting wars just so others can line their pockets. Does that mean it's good for them, or should we generalize and say the entire human species is composed of addicts and deviants?
This thread isn't about how human stupidity causes certain things in practice; it's about Raw Food and Alternative Treatment.

There are even more extreme examples of xenophobia out there—like when people push the boundaries of political correctness (and the topic is VACCINATION).

Arsen said:Nobody checks tourists, and you find all sorts of people there. There are plenty who don't even know if they've been vaccinated. Those are the most dangerous because nobody knows anything about them. And you tolerate that, yet you'd want to take our kids away? Tourists are the ones bringing in all these infections, maybe even on purpose.
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You just don't get it. There are so many issues here. Actually, you made a good point about those service counters. It always feels awkward there, and honestly, maybe even unsafe. Is that stuff ever disinfected? An epidemic could seriously start right there. I have nothing against seniors, but please, let's be realistic. These people are full of illnesses; they're coughing and spraying everything everywhere without taking any precautions. Isn't that just neglecting your surroundings?
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People are fed up with doctors because the wait times are endless everywhere. The truth is, they end up with fungal infections, they smell, and it’s a total nightmare. Shouldn't that be penalized? What's stopping those fungi, itching, and ear issues from threatening both you and me?
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Yeah, what's the deal with those folks out in the rural areas? Are they healthy and vaccinated? They're the most dangerous ones. To you, the problem is solved just because they move along? You don't care about the mess they leave behind.

Shall we keep going?

Elizabeth Jackson said:No, It feels like you all are actively working to cause harm. By attacking and insulting people who are simply trying to discuss methods that could actually help others, you’re undermining the very purpose of these discussions.

The sub-forum is... Alternative Treatment—and let’s be honest, we all know exactly what we’re debating here. We’re talking about everything that falls outside the bounds of mainstream medicine.

There are clearly defined rules for this sub-forum, and... Honestly, none of those people you're constantly coming after are actually breaking a single one of those rules.Unlike you, who seems to take pleasure in insulting people just because they want to discuss the topic at hand, I prefer a bit more decorum.
Honestly, even the fact that you felt the need to use bold text here just proves my point—you simply can't help yourself from resorting to insults. It seems like it's just part of your nature at this point.
So, does someone who constantly resorts to insults actually have good intentions? It’s an interesting question, I suppose. I find myself wondering if there's a hidden layer of benevolence behind that kind of abrasive behavior—like they think they're being "honest" or "tough" for your own good. But honestly, maybe that's just wishful thinking on our part. It’s hard to say for sure without knowing what makes them tick. 🍿

Not a single one.

Not a single one.

He wasn't exactly trolling the thread; rather, he was issuing a warning—and one that he backed up with plenty of solid examples. Regarding the blatant rule violations on the Alternative subforum. As we’ve observed, the most frequent issues involve crude insults and ad hominem attacks.

The posts being quoted don't seem to be edited or taken out of context to me, though the insults within them are certainly plain to see.
This is just your classic example of cheap, kindergarten-level insinuation... I mean, we can all see exactly what you said, and there’s really no excuse for the nasty insults you’ve been hurling at people.
If you disagree with someone, you can say so quite politely instead of responding to everything with the crudest possible language.

That is precisely why I’ve put you on my ignore list, along with a few others—it's because of the constant insults.
And honestly, you act this way because there isn't anyone here to hold you accountable.
Once moderation actually starts happening (if that ever happens), I’ll take everyone off my ignore list and I will gladly engage with you; then you won't be able to hide behind this behavior, and I'll just dismantle your points with actual arguments until you lose your cool and resort to insults again. 🙂

And please, don't ask me again why I'm not answering when you're on my ignore list. You've been on this forum far too long to be asking that, and I’ve already explained that on threads under active moderation, I will engage with anyone on my ignore list if I happen to notice their post.

I have no idea who you're referring to or by what right you'd label a female member that way, but apparently, you just can't help yourself from being insulting here either. 🤮

If someone spoke to you like that, or in the manner that Gnu quoted, you'd probably be wailing and whining about it across every thread for two months, telling your neighbors, and I doubt even the local senior center would be spared.
However, we've all just accepted that this is simply who you are, and since you can't be any different, we've long since Googled your insults, which serve as nothing more than proof that you've completely lost your temper due to a total lack of actual arguments.
But hey, I suppose these quotes are useful for the official records, so the moderators can see how things actually stand on the unmoderated Alternative PDF. ☕

Your whole approach seems centered on attacking and insulting this individual and several others.🤦
Personally, I don't see any issue with someone agreeing with someone else on a particular point.
In my view, being in agreement is just as polarizing as disagreeing, but at least agreeing doesn't violate the rules, whereas insults certainly do.
Gnu hasn't made a single post where he insulted anyone, nor has he used any ad hominem tactics.
I don't see any links provided here; it just feels like a sweeping fabrication. Meanwhile, he actually provided a substantial collection of evidence clearly showing the insults and ad hominem attacks, along with numerous accusations of people being "clones"—all coming from the exact same people who level those same accusations against others. 🤦

And there we have it—this is exactly how you deal with people's private lives, and it characterizes your entire presence on this sub-forum...🤮
Of course, these aren't considered ad hominem arguments simply because they're coming from you. 🍿
But if someone happens to suspect that someone else is a clone, then that's apparently worth a firing squad. 🤦

I honestly think this thread is pointless and there's no reason to waste any more time here.
It looks like this is just another playground for you to vent, so it might be best to just let you talk to yourself. It might serve as another outlet for you, and since you seem to have so many of them, perhaps you'll finally achieve some actual results.

Oh, please! Give me a break. Is the Narcissus feeling slighted? Does he think he can punish us? And you—you wonderful, all-knowing, saintly little genius—whose thread was actually shut down by the Forum Administrator because you were typing out such absolute nonsense... you really think anyone would bother punishing you? Besides, who do YOU think you are? You're so incredibly "important" that it somehow matters whether YOU put someone on an ignore list, making it a "huge deal" worth mentioning? You're just a tiny, insecure little guy with zero clue what's going on. And I suppose YOU are going to graciously remove US from your ignore list just so you can "trample" over us again?
Wait a second—how are you even replying to this post right now if I'm on your "IGNORE" list?
Elizabeth Jackson, every single time you try to "debate," you just dig your own grave deeper. It’s pretty obvious that your only move left is to hide behind an ignore list and whine through the Gnu.
You read every single post like it's your job; you're totally obsessed with having the last word and making sure your post is the one everyone sees. You'll edit and rearrange posts just to make that happen, acting all wild and frantic because you look like such a total pushover whenever you fail to respond to someone. But of course, you *can't* respond to anyone, because you're a joke, and you'd be an even bigger joke if you actually tried to provide some "reasoned" arguments. You simply don't have the knowledge required to hold a coherent conversation. You don't have any actual arguments you could defend. You tried once, and it was a complete disaster. That's why you ran away to hide behind an ignore list. There it is—the honest truth.
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stormyrider28 Asks:
Honestly, you really have to look at what the person who started this thread was actually expecting when they hit "post." To me, it just feels like they're incredibly on edge because things aren't going their way—specifically regarding trying to shut down certain threads or even entire sub-forums. They’re basically forcing an agenda and just badgering everyone here about it, spending entire days hovering over the Forum. It’s pretty obvious that nothing is actually going to change. If the Alternative side were allowed to moderate those specific few users, they’d be gone in a heartbeat, and we’d finally have some actual order around here!

Honestly, all these trolls (and everyone else who’s going to step up to take their place) are going to keep hanging around as long as we allow the bad actors—the people with actual malice, the clueless ones, and those completely lacking common sense—to run wild in these threads. They spend their time insulting others and spreading blatant lies or unverified nonsense that puts anyone trying to find answers—even if they're looking for an Alternative Treatment—in real danger. If people are searching for solutions to their problems, those answers actually need to make sense and, more importantly, NOT cause harm! But instead, you guys seem to be doing everything in your power to hurt people. Seriously, what is the motivation behind this? It’s honestly something someone should really look into and address. ☕

stormyrider28 said:Honestly, you really have to ask the guy who started this thread what his actual endgame is... like, what was he even thinking when he opened this? To me, it just feels like he’s super on edge because things aren't going his way—you know, since he can't force certain threads or entire sub-forums to shut down. He's just pushing and pushing, basically pestering everyone here and wasting entire days obsessing over this on the Forum... It's honestly exhausting. Nothing is going to change, that much is obvious. If Alternative Treatment was actually allowed to moderate a few of these specific users, they'd be gone in a heartbeat and things would finally be orderly again...

There’s absolutely no way they’re gonna shut down an entire sub-forum with hundreds of threads just because two or three trolls are acting out in a handful of posts... that would be totally ridiculous. Honestly, if they just dealt with those specific people and handed out sanctions for the insults and trolling, you'd see how fast things would settle down into peace and quiet...
Just take a look at these insults for yourself... seriously, tell me if you think a normal person could actually write stuff like this... and do it in every single post too...

Why would Alternative ever shut down?
Honestly, it’s actually pretty fun when you take a little mathematical approach to all this! You know what they say—repetition is the mother of wisdom, even if what’s being repeated is total nonsense. If you just sit back and crunch the numbers by scanning through all these threads, you end up with this:
stormyrider28 has gone on record no less than 44 times claiming he "knows six people" who completely cured their cancer just by switching to Raw Food—and he even tossed in that one person supposedly kicked both Crohn’s and diabetes to the curb with it! Of course, this incredible medical miracle hasn't exactly made its way into any scientific journals or mainstream news, but hey, Gnu always insists he's preaching the "absolute truth." He just kept repeating it like a broken record until everyone else finally started poking fun at him!
Honestly, stormyrider28 and Elizabeth Jackson have gone on about sixty-eight different times now, preaching that meat is basically toxic, carcinogenic, and just straight-up poison for the human body. It’s getting a little old! When you actually ask them to back up those wild claims with some real substance, they completely freeze up. They always fall back on this vague "WHO research" line—which, let's be real, they clearly haven't actually read themselves. Instead, they just skim through flashy headlines from sites like People Magazine, USA Today, or various clickbait news portals and call it "science." And the funniest part? When you point out that it’s actually the processed additives and preservatives that do the damage, rather than the meat itself, they don't have a single clue how to respond. They just go silent!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone and posted twenty-six different times about how some little kid from a coastal town like Miami caught measles right after getting vaccinated. There’s absolutely zero follow-up or any official explanation regarding what actually happened, because apparently, we aren't allowed to provide the facts here—we just have to keep fueling this extreme anti-vax sentiment!
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record twenty-seven different times claiming that you won't find a single raw vegan patient in an oncology ward. It’s a bold claim! But honestly, when it comes to explaining why people who follow a Raw Food lifestyle might choose to decline conventional medical treatment altogether... well, there just isn't an answer for that.
Elizabeth Jackson has gone on record at least 23 times now, claiming that chemotherapy is basically a death sentence and calling it a poison that everyone should steer clear of. It’s wild! Even when you throw actual data at her—you know, those statistics comparing standard recovery rates to the success stories from Alternative Treatment—she just brushes it off. She refuses to acknowledge any of it, insisting that the numbers are nothing more than lies cooked up by certain special interest groups. Honestly, it's quite a lot to take in!
-Elizabeth Jackson and stormyrider28 have gone back and forth at least 22 times claiming that a combined diet of meat and veggies is the absolute gold standard for weight loss and they swear by its effectiveness. The funny thing is, neither of them actually eats like that—they spend more time trashing people's food choices than following their own advice!
-Elizabeth Jackson has posted 23 separate times about how parents who refuse vaccinations should be hit with $667 fines, claiming that once they pay up, their kids become "acceptable and no longer a threat," even though everyone has already pointed out that this claim is a total fabrication. She keeps pushing this agenda and attacking anyone who disagrees, despite the fact that she doesn't even have children herself.
-stormyrider28 has dropped the exact same post 14 times across various threads, trying to call out Elizabeth Jackson for spreading ridiculous posts that promote "detox" methods that are actually life-threatening. Once people pointed out the potential side effects, this whole little "Alternative Treatment" clique jumped in to spread that specific snippet (but conveniently leaving out the explanation!) across different boards just to act like some forum member was being bullied, rather than addressing the dangerous nonsense being passed off as "advice."
Seriously, how many troll posts, ad hominem attacks, off-topic tangents, and straight-up malicious lies have been written by just three or four users (it’s always the same group: Elizabeth Jackson, stormyrider28, Lorelei_S, and Arsen...)?

How many violations, breaches of the rules, and breaks of the Forum guidelines have happened here? And you, stormyrider28, seriously have the nerve to come back and try to troll this thread again with your lies and nastiness?

Regarding these "insults"—honestly, it's like looking at a pathological case—you've already for the fourth time posted cropped snippets of text without any of the preceding context. In these snippets, within nutrition threads, people are talking about losing weight by doing things like inserting tubes up the backside, eating carrion, consuming filth, suggesting cannibalism, mocking deceased relatives, making light of terminal illnesses and dead children, insulting their own uneducated parents, mocking other members and their families, leaking private info, and even letting out homophobic, xenophobic, and ultra-nationalist rants...

Does it really bother you when a forum member—who isn't even participating in the actual debate—gets addressed by some petty, insecure person (someone who didn't even address them directly, but instead targeted their possible clone) like this?
Lorelei S said:We're noticing... and such a "creature" always brings this up because they have deep-seated inferiority complexes from being innocent until age 43, before finally being cornered by a divorced woman with a child.

The topic is "NUTRITION," meaning anything related to food that aids healing or promotes health, just so people are informed.

Of course, none of this has anything to do with the topic, except for the pathological hatred you have toward me (which is obvious by which quotes you choose to pull). You're clearly obsessed with me because I won't let you post garbage without comment, especially since out of 900 posts, you don't have even 10 that are actually on-topic. In any thread, for that matter. Every single one of your posts—and anyone can verify this—is just ad hominem insults, trolling, or sucking up to a guy you claim you don't even know.
But look, stormyrider28, it's not my fault you're so incapable in life—unemployed, no family, no hobbies, no private life, just bitter and twisted. Since you've picked up all those ailments, you've turned to "Alternative Treatment" as a last resort. Those are your life choices, and as an adult, you need to learn to live with them.

Now, why don't you try to make a genuine mental effort and write a post that actually pertains to this topic? ☕
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stormytiger4 said:Oh, and you know what? This all makes sense. These endless debates of yours are probably just bait to lure in some naive new moderators who are willing to lobotomize themselves for the "greater good" of the Forum. Honestly, it might just be easier to shut down Alternative Treatment entirely. Just like they did with Living Wall, just kill it off so we can at least walk away with some decent memories. 🙂

And look, the exact same group of people went MIA for a couple of days. Things actually started settling down on their own—people were getting into discussions, having real conversations, exchanging views. It was civilized and actually meant something! Even the topics were starting to pick up steam. And then, out of nowhere, these jerks show up and wreck everything.
Seriously, even recently there was an attempt by one of the "alternative" types (Leena) to try and calm things down. But after just 48 hours, the same three characters (Ibrahim-Pr, stormyrider28, and Lorelei_S) crawl back, and everything goes straight to hell. All because they're absolutely livid that the topic where they were playing Messiah has been shut down...
I mean, what else can you expect?
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Sandra Kern37 said:Oh, hey, do you remember that time someone made a joke on another thread suggesting you were actually related to Nica? 😁

Well, Gnu actually fell for it hook, line, and sinker, and spent an entire month blowing his own trumpet about it all over the Forum. ☕

Even after Beljki told him several times that he was just pulling his leg, this guy went ahead and filed a formal complaint with the authorities. Honestly, the guy is living in a cartoon!
😂 😂
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stormytiger4 said:Hey there, fellow Alternative fans. What’s everyone thinking about how PŽK keeps constantly messing with the audience using their garbage tactics? Are you guys actually aiming to shut down Alternative or just target PŽK?
Look, I’m not against anyone here, and I definitely don't want to see Alternative shut down. I just want to know what the end game is so I can figure out where to put my support.

Do you want my honest opinion? My biggest wish is to see a moderator team brought back in. We need people who will actually step in and stop these zombies from posting absolute nonsense under the Alternative umbrella, peddling fake medical advice, being disrespectful to everyone, and spamming through SMS messages, profile signatures, and posts.
The Alternative movement covers such a massive range of topics, but it does have its limits—there’s a line where genuine alternative views cross over into pure stupidity.
Usually, you could just hit the report button on a post, but when there’s zero response because the moderation is non-existent, things just spiral completely out of control. The current state of things is honestly a total mess.
If we had proper oversight, we wouldn't constantly have to start new threads begging for protection against blatant clones, violations of common sense, and people ignoring basic decency and the law.
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stormyrider28 said:Alright, let me start by laying out a few lies...

So, here's a look at what your pure stuff actually looks like... Lies... just total lies everywhere you look... honestly, it’s getting to be a bit much sometimes... everything feels so filtered and fake lately... turns out nothing is ever quite what it seems on the surface... stays with you, though... how you can trust anyone when everyone is just playing a part... it's wild... So, about that forum girl you're accusing of going after Brenda Gonzalez12... she hasn't actually been attacking her for the last 20 pages of this thread... Whatever he says goes... honestly... just taking everything he says at face value... Total lie and complete nonsense. She wasn't even present in this thread twenty pages ago... she barely even had a handful of posts on this topic to begin with...
She wasn't even the one attacking him... it was actually the total opposite. He was coming at her hard. Honestly, after just a few messages once she even joined the thread without any reason at all, he started claiming she was some kind of bot or clone... just totally out of nowhere...
Here’s the proof...

So... So, Brenda Gonzalez12 actually dropped three separate accusations claiming someone was a clone, and you didn't even bother to report it here...Man, I honestly can't believe you missed that... like, seriously? So, I’m posting this right here just to set the record straight. It's wild how some people have the nerve to point fingers at everyone else for doing the exact same thing they're out there doing even more often... it's just ridiculous...

So you’re really gonna sit there and grill me about my lies? Fine... if that's how we're playing this... here's another one coming straight from you...

That’s just another one of your lies... honestly, it’s pure fiction at this point. If you actually think otherwise, then go ahead... feel free to quote a few of them if you really want to try... Those "dissertations" she was supposedly cranking out for Brenda Gonzalez12 on a weekly basis... Because that’s just a straight-up lie. I’ve been following this thread, and when it first popped up a few days ago, she only replied to him twice... mostly because he was being totally unprovoked and just straight-up insulting her. After that, she basically just stopped acknowledging him altogether, but... She’s still coming at her with everything she’s got... just won't let it go... So, he went after her again today for absolutely no reason at all... even though she’s completely ignoring him, he just won't let it go. He's attacking her out of nowhere, just pure aggression for the sake of it, and now he's back at it again with those ridiculous claims that she's some kind of clone... honestly, it's just getting old...
Hey everyone... just wanted to jump in here and share some thoughts on what we were talking about earlier... honestly, there’s so much to unpack with this whole situation... I’ve been sitting here thinking about it all morning while grabbing my coffee... and yeah, I totally see where you're coming from... but also, maybe we should look at it from a different angle? Just a thought... anyway, I'll try to keep this somewhat coherent, though no promises... lol... turns out things aren't always as simple as they seem on the surface... especially when you start digging into the details... let me know if that makes sense... or if I'm just rambling now... stay tuned... says:
Ooo... Wait, hold on... what exactly are we talking about here? You just dropped one word and left me hanging... Are we diving into some deep sci-fi rabbit hole or is this about something else entirely? I need a little more context to really get my head around where you're going with this... Give me something to work with! She finally woke up...
So, you know how it goes... they’ll hang around the chat for a bit, racking up enough posts to look like they actually belong, and then suddenly they’re gonna get "serious." Like, they'll jump right into a deep thread about raw food just to drop a single comment saying they could never actually do it... typical... 😵
And she’d probably start counting everyone else's posts just to troll the whole thread... honestly...

How on earth did you not report this here, Sandra Kern37...?

Oh man... don't even get me started. Now that I’ve actually dropped the receipts showing you were out here telling everyone they were just clones, suddenly you're playing the "you're taking my words out of context" card? Seriously? Like, come on... Just answer the question: did you call them all the same person or not?
Look, I didn't take anything out of context... if anything, you're the one twisting my words from that vaccination thread where I was clearly just messing around. But now you're straight-up accusing people of being clones? That's exactly what you're doing to everyone else, and honestly, opening up an entire debate like this over that is just too much. You really should feel a little embarrassed about that...
Here are two more examples where you were out here calling people clones...

That’s all really sweet and thanks for the link, seriously... but man, you gotta look at what Brenda Gonzalez12 just posted today about those clones...

So, he did a pretty decent job describing himself there, but honestly, what you can really see from this whole thing is that... Hey Brenda Gonzalez12... you actually know how to pull off the whole "secretly a clone" thing, don't you?...

Alright, here’s a slightly longer list with all the updated values...

Oh, really? After exactly two posts, this person starts rambling about how I’m out on vacation in Florida with my family, and then asks why I’m even bothering to talk to her?

Here is my actual post, so everyone can see THE AGGRESSION SHE IS DIRECTING AT ME.

Brenda Gonzalez12 said:That’s exactly why I told you to head over to the Nutrition sub-forum; the people there actually have expertise. The way you're acting makes you look like a fake profile created by Elizabeth Jackson or one of her associates (like LLeen or Lorelei) just to pretend they're "experts" again. But they aren't, and it's been proven.
The guy claims to be plant-based, while Gnu (who is well-known for the weird stuff he posts here) is already suggesting enemas as a weight loss method (which is proven to be harmful, even dangerous), and collectively, they're all going to push nothing but vegan (and now, suddenly, vegetarian) advice on you. And that's despite the fact that you CLEARLY AND LOUDLY stated you weren't interested in any of that.
So why insist on it? Just go where the knowledgeable people are and get real answers.

And this is the response she gets from someone whose very first post on the thread is being met with this:

Tsina-Iti said:Don't I have the right to decide for myself what makes sense and what doesn't, instead of having someone try to force me via aggressive tactics in some sort of forced persuasion? Because honestly, looking at this, it feels pretty forced!
I came here asking for advice, and aside from those few words you wrote to me, everything else has just been you badmouthing this forum member who was actually trying to help me. They offered advice and said we could do things our own way; they certainly weren't aggressively trying to kick me off the thread like you are.
And now you're telling me that everyone posting here is stupid and giving bad advice, trying to convince me they're all terrible— even though I see you posting all day long despite supposedly being on vacation with your family. So why on earth are you posting so much if these people bother you so much? Why are you trying to drive me to another topic?

When I saw how you were insulting the people who actually tried to help, it honestly made me feel sick... Truly nauseated.

What does she know about me, my family, or where I am? Unless she reads every single thread or has some psychic ability to know my business, she's clueless. Besides, I didn't even address her directly once; I just gave her the same advice everyone else did: avoid the scammers who are doing exactly what she EXPLICITLY SAID SHE WASN'T INTERESTED IN. And since she decided to resort to blatant ad hominem insults, I felt I had to shut her down immediately so she'd stop bringing up her family in these posts. And you know what, Gnu? I think I'll start treating you the exact same way from now on. With total pleasure.

stormyrider28 said:Alright, let me start by laying out a few lies...

So, here's a look at what your pure stuff actually looks like... Lies... just total lies everywhere you look... honestly, it’s getting to be a bit much sometimes... everything feels so filtered and fake lately... turns out nothing is ever quite what it seems on the surface... stays with you, though... how you can trust anyone when everyone is just playing a part... it's wild... So, about that forum girl you're accusing of going after Brenda Gonzalez12... she hasn't actually been attacking her for the last 20 pages of this thread... Whatever he says goes... honestly... just taking everything he says at face value... Total lie and complete nonsense. She wasn't even present in this thread twenty pages ago... she barely even had a handful of posts on this topic to begin with...
She wasn't even the one attacking him... it was actually the total opposite. He was coming at her hard. Honestly, after just a few messages once she even joined the thread without any reason at all, he started claiming she was some kind of bot or clone... just totally out of nowhere...
Here’s the proof...

So... So, Brenda Gonzalez12 actually dropped three separate accusations claiming someone was a clone, and you didn't even bother to report it here...Man, I honestly can't believe you missed that... like, seriously? So, I’m posting this right here just to set the record straight. It's wild how some people have the nerve to point fingers at everyone else for doing the exact same thing they're out there doing even more often... it's just ridiculous...

So you’re really gonna sit there and grill me about my lies? Fine... if that's how we're playing this... here's another one coming straight from you...

That’s just another one of your lies... honestly, it’s pure fiction at this point. If you actually think otherwise, then go ahead... feel free to quote a few of them if you really want to try... Those "dissertations" she was supposedly cranking out for Brenda Gonzalez12 on a weekly basis... Because that’s just a straight-up lie. I’ve been following this thread, and when it first popped up a few days ago, she only replied to him twice... mostly because he was being totally unprovoked and just straight-up insulting her. After that, she basically just stopped acknowledging him altogether, but... She’s still coming at her with everything she’s got... just won't let it go... So, he went after her again today for absolutely no reason at all... even though she’s completely ignoring him, he just won't let it go. He's attacking her out of nowhere, just pure aggression for the sake of it, and now he's back at it again with those ridiculous claims that she's some kind of clone... honestly, it's just getting old...
Hey everyone... just wanted to jump in here and share some thoughts on what we were talking about earlier... honestly, there’s so much to unpack with this whole situation... I’ve been sitting here thinking about it all morning while grabbing my coffee... and yeah, I totally see where you're coming from... but also, maybe we should look at it from a different angle? Just a thought... anyway, I'll try to keep this somewhat coherent, though no promises... lol... turns out things aren't always as simple as they seem on the surface... especially when you start digging into the details... let me know if that makes sense... or if I'm just rambling now... stay tuned... says:
Ooo... Wait, hold on... what exactly are we talking about here? You just dropped one word and left me hanging... Are we diving into some deep sci-fi rabbit hole or is this about something else entirely? I need a little more context to really get my head around where you're going with this... Give me something to work with! She finally woke up...
So, you know how it goes... they’ll hang around the chat for a bit, racking up enough posts to look like they actually belong, and then suddenly they’re gonna get "serious." Like, they'll jump right into a deep thread about raw food just to drop a single comment saying they could never actually do it... typical... 😵
And she’d probably start counting everyone else's posts just to troll the whole thread... honestly...

How on earth did you not report this here, Sandra Kern37...?

Oh man... don't even get me started. Now that I’ve actually dropped the receipts showing you were out here telling everyone they were just clones, suddenly you're playing the "you're taking my words out of context" card? Seriously? Like, come on... Just answer the question: did you call them all the same person or not?
Look, I didn't take anything out of context... if anything, you're the one twisting my words from that vaccination thread where I was clearly just messing around. But now you're straight-up accusing people of being clones? That's exactly what you're doing to everyone else, and honestly, opening up an entire debate like this over that is just too much. You really should feel a little embarrassed about that...
Here are two more examples where you were out here calling people clones...

That’s all really sweet and thanks for the link, seriously... but man, you gotta look at what Brenda Gonzalez12 just posted today about those clones...

So, he did a pretty decent job describing himself there, but honestly, what you can really see from this whole thing is that... Hey Brenda Gonzalez12... you actually know how to pull off the whole "secretly a clone" thing, don't you?...

Alright, here’s a slightly longer list with all the updated values...

And you really, truly concluded that this is how it *actually* works because you're such an "intelligent" person? Gnu, you've honestly managed to embarrass yourself quite spectacularly on this thread. You know, maybe I should have just come out and said that my moderators call me every single morning at 9:00 AM to tip me off about who is cloning whom, and that they even go as far as hiding my IP addresses for me. I bet you'd swallow that whole and post it right here too!
😂 😂
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stormyrider28 said:Honestly, since nobody is even mentioning you, why'd you bother showing up? You think you have some special VIP rights to the Forum or something? See, everything you just said about him actually describes you perfectly—everyone sees right through you. You're just an aggressive guy who insults people and trolls threads specifically to mess with folks you clearly can't stand. You really should be embarrassed.
By the way, calling him a "little insecure Narcissus" is just a cheap shot... because if someone said that to you, you'd be running to start a massive drama thread immediately, crying and whining to anyone who'd listen..

I stepped in because it’s obvious you’re obsessed with my username. It's honestly getting weird—borderline psychotic. Out of 900 posts, you’ve mentioned me in 880 of them! You’ve gone around telling every single one of these ten people that they’re just clones of me. At this point, anyone would think you've lost your grip on reality. 🤦🤦
Look, if you're gay, that's your business, but I'm not, I don't feel that way about men, so go find someone else to bother. Apparently, Elizabeth Jackson loves being treated that way, so why don't you two go play together? You could head down to a local festival or something and just mess around. Regardless, you've been trolling these threads for three months straight, ruining everything with constant off-topic nonsense.
Seriously, where is your sense of shame?
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Elizabeth Jackson said:It’s actually quite interesting to observe that ever since Alternative stopped being moderated and just became this cesspool of insults and trolling, only two people have even bothered to request a profile verification for themselves—and honestly, they were both already suspected of being clones of Brenda Gonzalez12, namely Jednoumlje and Sandra Kern37...
It also seems like these same individuals are constantly demanding verifications for others, simply because someone happens to disagree with their specific worldview.

It might be worth giving that some thought...

But then again, I suppose it isn't much of a surprise; we see plenty of people with similar writing styles... hell, sometimes even identical ones... appearing on our feeds all the time. 😁

And there he is! Our little insecure Narcissus has finally emerged!!! Nobody is talking about him, nobody is giving him any credit, his threads have gone totally off the rails, and since he's been exposed as nothing more than an aggressive ridiculous charlatan who won't stop rambling, he just had to jump in and make himself heard.

Maybe you "noble IT experts"—you know, the ones busy prepping "hundreds" of "invisible posts" from the people you keep on your ignore lists—could do us all a massive favor on Reddit? Could you prove to everyone that this entire list of people you're ignoring is actually just one single person? Give it a shot! Hehehe. Besides, you always talk about "us," which really just means you and your handful of clone accounts.
Because honestly, everything else regarding your "Alternative" is, if you'll excuse my language, a total mess.
😂 😂 🙂 🙂🙂
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Sandra Kern37 said:Why on earth are you lying?

Where exactly are these insults and lies you're claiming I made? Let's actually look at the evidence after six months of this, shall we?

And don't even get me started on you going off-topic; you’re one to talk about staying on subject when you’re busy bringing up sexual fantasies in a thread specifically about vaccinations.

http://www.reddit.com/showpost.php?p=7...postcount=7000
(and just to be clear, this isn't from that other thread, it's right here from the vaccination discussion)

Also, why are you twisting what I said about Lleena and Lorelei out of context? I explicitly stated that I would offer an apology if it were proven that those aren't clone accounts.

I provided you with the link to Nicin's post proving I'm not a bot, yet you still refused to apologize. Honestly, I think anyone with half a brain can see where this is going.☕

They won't be able to prove a thing because there aren't any links provided.
But oh, I'm sure "the informant" will show up tonight to drop "hundreds" of collected posts that he "usually misses" (but somehow meticulously saves just to spit on people whenever it suits him), along with that rude lady, and then the whole thread will just go down the drain.

Just look at how our friend GNU is writing about clones in a thread meant for raw food
stormyrider28 said:Hehehe, looks like the multi-troll exposed himself again... Lorelei made a great point, seriously, kudos to her... This one-trick pony even said yesterday he was heading to the Rocky Mountains and then to the beach, acting like he couldn't care less about us... and just a month ago, according to his profile, he claimed he was going hiking for a week, and sure enough, he vanished for that entire week. And wouldn't you know it, Brenda Gonzalez12 disappeared during that exact same window too. Neither of you showed even a hint of life on the forum during those weeks... talk about "coincidences," right?Or maybe you two are just so crazy about each other that you were busy cuddling away somewhere?
Now you're probably going to start foaming at the mouth once you're caught, or maybe you'll try to claim that Lorelei is sending messages to your grandma... honestly, have some shame, let everyone see what a mess you really are...

The "beautiful, wonderful, vibrant raw food enthusiast" in all his glory. 🤦 🤦