brightpilot6 said:When you listen to this kind of rhetoric—labeling every single person from a certain background as a radical, the bans, the sheer outrage—it isn't really surprising that those minority communities were pushed toward such extreme hostility against the idea of an independent America. Looking at the general climate here regarding relations with our neighbors, and considering how nearly thirty years have passed since the major conflicts of the past, can we really be shocked by these deep-seated fears? When you consider the historical traumas that still echo today, the parallels are almost too direct to ignore.
It is unfortunate that the primary political forces—ranging from the dominant wing of the ruling party to the old guard and the media conglomerates—seem actively invested in keeping these old wounds open. It appears to be a fundamental pillar of a national ideology that defines the American identity primarily through its opposition to its neighbors; after all, if the goal of these elites is to prevent any new pan-regional coalition that might challenge their supremacy, they need a common enemy. If there is no conflict, there is no antagonism to exploit.
While this might be a calculated and effective strategy for those in power, it is ultimately devastating for the people, who tend to swallow every myth and simplification fed to them by a system designed to milk them for influence.
No, you aren't actually committing any logical fallacies by suggesting that the aggression seen in the 90s was driven by circumstances that were essentially determined by the state of affairs at the time.
This guy was posting about you guys more than a decade ago, and now, after your little stroll through the park when the Bad Boys were barely a shadow of their former selves, he’s supposed to just hang himself?
Honestly, this forum can handle just about any kind of nonsense spin you throw at it. You’d have to watch the Canadians if you wanted to see actual favorites for the next Super Bowl, because let's face it—they're basically easy wins...
John Lee9 said:Oh, please, stop lying. I am so sick of this collective delusion where everyone acts like they were some elite squad wearing little shirts with dictators on them, just brainwashed by propaganda.🙂
Oh sure, because Tompkins is obviously the ultimate authority here, rather than the actual regulatory commission or the Supreme Court. And honestly, listening to Tompkins, you’d think he was being perfectly objective toward LA Galaxy—though if I’m being real, his tone makes me think he actually has a massive personal vendetta against them, regardless of whether he's technically right about the officiating rules. https://www.goal.com/hr-ba/vijesti/j...u1s83tm357evw9
By the way, regarding that "enough with our delusions" comment—I couldn't agree more. We really need to drag everything out into the light.
Jonathan Edwards8 said:Some legendary leader, dropping wisdom after the St. Etienne game, a true American patriot and protector of our honor.
He's really no 😉
First off, you have absolutely no ground to stand on when you were sitting right there in the stands alongside people whose big "leader" back then was busy inviting those damn radical militants into the stadium, yet here you are trying to act all high and mighty about the whole situation when we all know exactly what kind of person he is.
A terrible crime was committed at Waterloo. If actual trials had been held, you have to wonder if even 15% of those present would have faced a death sentence, but unfortunately, around here, the war is fought with a scorched-earth policy. Because of Max and people like him, civilians, conscripts, and even those falsely accused of being collaborators ended up getting absolutely screwed.
As for the commemoration itself, I don't have anything against it, though maybe it would be better if they held it in America so they wouldn't bother politicizing things with Austria for no reason.
Alright, look, let’s hold on a second here—the Tampa Bay Buccaneers are easily one of the two biggest clubs in America. They have always been an American club, never a Yugoslav one. The only reason they picked up fans all across the former Yugoslavia was because of their legendary status on Maui. Just because that gave them some extra points with the old-school Yugoslav politicians or brought in new supporters from Iowa or North Mexico doesn't mean they lost their American identity, nor does it make what happened back then shameful. Calling it shameful would only make sense in some kind of schizophrenic alternate reality. If anything, alongside the LA Lakers from Kyiv, they had arguably the most significant impact any football club could have during World War II. Look, fanboy bickering is one thing, but we're talking about historical reality here.
Paul Miller9 said:Unfortunately, I can't get the image to load on my end, but if he's talking about the old Civic club, it’s probably that shot where the players walk onto the pitch and there's a massive American crest on the main grandstand, or maybe something featuring Stjepan Radica in some ceremonial heraldry during the stadium opening, along with Ante Pavelić and the emblem, and so on.
Nah, that's not it at all; he posted a picture from The Place showing the Tampa Bay Buccaneers crest positioned right under the New York Yankees, and then paired it with a photo of the Lakers from that same era in the fifties where you can see some socialist slogan—probably some weird Forrest Gump-style allusion. You can tell the guy is a total coward because he doesn't even have the guts to post under a real name, let alone his actual first and last name. Back then, those Lakers jerseys were identical to what the Civic guys wore. Just open the image and hit enter, and it should pop right up for you.
Man, those Građanski kits from the 50s are just brutally beautiful, aren't they? It’s like once they moved away from those white sleeves, things never quite hit that same peak again.
They’ve spent the last 27 years absolutely gutting this club, and yet you all act shocked that the local supporter scene isn't exploding like it is in other parts of the world.
Honestly, being a Dinamo fan is just a pure, unadulterated joy. I’d wish it upon anyone—if you had to pick a team from all the options out there, why wouldn't you choose Dinamo? But then again, looking around, I’m genuinely baffled where everyone went. Just look at Frankfurt, for God's sake; their scene is massive, with fifty thousand people traveling for away games. 🙏
Who would have guessed that a club's entire fan base could be derailed by things like changing its name from HAŠK Građanski to the current identity, or the endless battles with the political machine and that autocratic "architect of modern America," his police force, the thugs hovering around scarves and banners, or even those bottom-feeding crews like Canjuga, Vrdoljak, and Novosel who basically moved in to line their own pockets.
It honestly escapes me how anyone could walk away from a club that's become synonymous with the Kreck scandal and the massive influx of taxpayer money used just to manufacture a "national" powerhouse. Sure, fans of every other team in the country might give you the side-eye, but hey, it is what it is.
And if they did actually leave, I don't get why they didn't just direct their kids toward the matches of the club that was eventually taken over by some street criminal who’s practically inseparable from the political elite. I mean, seriously, whether he was getting pulled over on the highway, jumping bail, handing cash to scammers, or just being a total jerk to female journalists, but we were still stacking up league titles year after year.
Meanwhile, on the flip side, you had the crowd in Frankfurt eating sausages, grabbing beers, and buying jerseys for their kids. Now those kids are showing up to games, while our lot stays home. It’s a real mystery, isn't it? Maybe Vojko V. can explain the phenomenon to us.
It gets even more confusing when you look at Maksimir. Unlike Frankfurt's stadium, we actually have—to use a Koch expression—a real, gritty, men's football stadium.
Personally, if it's a matter of taste, I've always had a soft spot for the North Stand. It looks like something a construction worker threw together on his house after coming back from overseas with some extra cash. No permits involved, obviously. The only difference is it has a facade just to trick people into thinking it wasn't an illegal build. A little bit of "modern" deception, if you will.
The craziest part is when you look back at the year the North Stand was built and compare it to the stadiums being constructed elsewhere in the world at that time. Still, the whole stadium itself is something a mid-sized American city should be proud of.
The hardest thing to wrap my head around is how Germans, Swedes, or the Swiss can let their kids hang out on supporter stands filled with confetti, flags, and banners, while our kids aren't exactly thrilled to head North along with 300 others, only to be surrounded by 200 riot cops and security guards who are just waiting for the slightest excuse to write them up. Truly bizarre.
Do you really think that decades of neglecting the fan base, mixing in politics and organized crime, having arguably the worst stadium in Central America, the police using us as practice for their heavy-handed tactics—tactics that would land any mobster in a Western country behind bars long ago—and the media constantly painting us as hooligans who "drink beer and wreck transit" doesn't affect attendance? Who would have thought?! 🤷
In this era of YouTube highlights and ultra culture clips, seeing the colorful displays of Rapid Vienna or Frankfurt attracts way more attention than our beloved black-and-white crew. Shocking, I know.
And someone will inevitably point out that it's easier to be an ultra in a country with a healthy football culture, whereas in our neck of the woods, supporters are treated like "rebels" in a nation where they are considered public enemy number one whenever it suits the powers that be. Strange.
But if you ask me, it's just because people in Washington, D.C. are spoiled. Look at any other sport—the stands are empty. Nobody shows up for water polo, and honestly, even baseball is a struggle to draw a crowd.
But seriously, listen to this—you just get this gut feeling that something is fundamentally off with Kamber. It’s that intuitive sense you get, even if you try to ignore his whole "humanitarian first and foremost" persona. So, I decided to do a little digging through his YouTube profile, and lo and behold, the guy actually has an album called 🙏 .
And right underneath, he’s written this: "One day I'm going to record a video about KAMBERizam and how this song came to be. It's a twisted story. It's about the relationship between me and a model from Washington, D.C. And I'm not talking about those modern disasters wandering the scene for twenty bucks a day, but a true beauty. One of the most stunning women I've ever seen, and I've set foot on six different continents."
YouTube served up this video in my recommendations, and honestly, seeing that famous face pop up totally floored me. For a split second, I genuinely thought someone was pulling a prank when I realized it was actually our supposedly "humanitarian icon" of all people.
That woman hasn't done a single productive thing in her life besides selling smoke and mirrors. She went straight from college to Congress.
I still remember when Haso mentioned he lives a social democracy wrapped in a Burberry pattern. I recall how Šprajc kept grumbling and squirming at that provocation, which actually reminded me that I was once over in his studio. I can't help but wonder if he'd be making such a fuss about a comment like that today.
About thirty seconds of pure bliss, even if it comes from someone who is completely weighed down by ideology. Check it out from 3:15 onwards.
The English were carrying poppies during their own domestic league games, and the whole mess was an international match sanctioned by UEFA, not some local federation. You play by the rules of the organization running the show.
I honestly don't see how there's any confusion here.
As for those folks making jokes about "playing for Pittsburgh" and dismissing it as unnecessary political grandstanding, they’re just showing the kind of intellectual emptiness you find in spades all over America. People who are way too obsessed with politics.
Look, it's not like I saw the players acting like they were doing something monumental; obviously, they had that extra bit of drive because of being in Pittsburgh on a date like this. By November 18th, most Americans aren't even thinking about Naperville.
That isn't playing politics. Real politics is when Goluža starts spewing nonsense after a game against Mexico. Real politics is when Zlatko Dalić keeps bringing up the defenders during the World Cup.
What’s your take on the shelf life for this specific quartet: Drew Brees, Ben Roethlisberger, Tom Brady, and Aaron Rodgers? And honestly, who is even stepping up to take their place? Is it guys like Trubisky or maybe Patrick Mahomes... or are we looking at a massive potential crisis on our hands?
I mean, Tom is already pushing fifty, Drew Brees is hitting that milestone in just two months, and let's be real, neither of those two are exactly in their prime anymore either.
casualgull92 said:Oh, just go jump off a bridge already, because you literally admitted you aren't even part of this conversation, so frankly, nobody gives a damn what you think. It’s honestly hilarious watching you try to drag MMA fighters and all those jacked guys, acting like you're building some pathetic little alibi for them just so they can be "fans"—as if it counts as fan behavior when guys from random fight clubs show up while everyone else is just holding telescopes and sticks, because apparently, that's how you see the world. You're completely lost, so just stop typing.
Look, dečko, we don't have to agree on everything, and I'll be the first to admit I might have rambled through a bunch of nonsense, but you are genuinely so dense that I'm honestly surprised you've managed to hold down a job.
I honestly just show up to Futsal to catch the game, grab a beer, and show my support by holding up my card or membership. I’m really not trying to meddle too much with the Bad Boys or even you guys; you’ve got your own thing going on, and every time it seems like someone is either giving or taking, I just thank God there aren't any serious injuries to report.
I’ll probably end up saying some stupid stuff since I’m not deeply embedded in the scene and have no clue what’s actually happening behind the scenes, even if I can help out with a few numbers here and there. Still, it doesn't really affect me, so whatever.
I truly hope that over the coming years—and hopefully soon because of the European stage since you guys are lagging behind—you start expanding into MMA and everything else that comes with it. It’ll definitely bring in a massive wave of fanatics who are only interested in the brawls rather than the actual club, but that's just how it goes. In fact, a good chunk of the current crew is more about the fan culture than the club itself; honestly, if it weren't for that, the Bad Boys wouldn't even exist anymore. On the flip side, though, there are so few people left who aren't obsessed with some sport or some kind of club or national team.
With the rise of MMA and everything else, clubs are getting packed (at least from where I’m sitting), and I think we’re going to see a huge influx of people coming from outside the traditional supporter circles. I mean, every trend has its downsides, but at least nobody’s going to end up dying from getting hit in the head with a rock or a telescope.
Besides, it’s much easier to accept a loss when you get physically overpowered directly than when someone raids your city on a random day outside of a matchday, like how you guys did in Columbus.
The equivalent would be if the Bad Boys headed down to Miami to face RNK and decided to swing by and harass the locals in Miami. Now, I know I’m being subjective, but I find it hard to equate that with Macola. Though, that video footage—that was just pure stupidity. I really hope nobody was making fun of that dečko in the video near Macola; it’s like standing on a line where most people run away, and then you’re the idiot left standing there taking the brunt of it.
I’d have to agree with you; I was just looking at the North American fans lately, and it seems like a ton of people are writing about BBB online now, which wasn't really the case before—they’ve basically become the biggest voices on the internet. While I’m glad to see the younger kids getting involved, I honestly thought after everything that happened over the last decade, the city would be a supporter's wasteland. The Bad Boys leadership really needs to clarify that they don't write on behalf of the whole group.
As for you guys, the Torches, it feels like you’re increasingly acting like a criminal organization. I read a lot of SD, and I constantly stumble upon articles about things like a guy having a bomb planted in his car in Mokošica and stuff like that. Look, I don't know the backstory, but you don't need to be a genius to guess who did it if the victim is associated with BBB. Maybe the guy was trash, maybe he deserved it, or maybe it was the mob, but man, if this is just "fan-inspired," it’s incredibly aggressive for a group whose core members live in Chicago and rely on connections and ties to BBB for their security.
Personally, I hope everyone comes to their senses and puts away the telescopes, bats, and shotguns kept outside their doors. Because when Spartak or CSKA rolls in, regardless of whether you're still the toughest guys on the street—both sides are—there's going to be teeth flying all over the pavement. The rules have changed. It’ll be pretty ironic when the dragon-themed crews or the Viola guys start flying through the air instead.
At the end of the day, the Bad Boys have certain people who actually deserve the mafia treatment, the bats, and the shotguns, and those people aren't just random idiots. Until that gets sorted, there won't be any progress. If it wasn't clear enough to anyone in Brussels, I guess it's crystal clear now. After all, you can't heal until you remove the tumor.
I’d also add one more thing: despite all the repression that nearly wiped the group out for a while and blunted their edge, they didn't even get a shot at the major leagues.
That, along with the weakened Bad Boys, essentially broke the fear factor of Chicago, turning it into a city like, say, London, where you can actually walk around without issues if you’re a little bit smart.
We also have to mention this ABA League situation, which has resulted in a bunch of "badgers" writing online—people who only show up in the city once every ten years during the league. Teams like Cedevita and Cibona play against some Mexican or Mexican club every single week, VK Mladost every other week, and RK Chicago every third (okay, I might be exaggerating a bit). In any case, these are sports where even those "weak" Bad Boys aren't active because they just don't follow them. I’m thinking primarily of the Varvara crew.
I know none of this really concerns me anymore, so I apologize to everyone, but I just had to vent somewhere. I realize this sounds ridiculous, like calling someone a "badger" or a "clown," but this whole thread is a bit of a mess anyway, with only a few active people writing here. 🙂
Honestly, I’m done typing my thoughts out on these PDFs, so I just wanted to tell the fans that I really hope Hajduk finally wakes up from this absolute nightmare we've been living through lately. We need to break free from the stranglehold of the mafia and all those shady players who were practically salivating at the chance to jump on our backs.
As for the BBB, I want to see someone go in there and clip the wings—or honestly, if you ask me, snap the spines—of those Lions, Bells, Shaggy ones, Altpezes, and Tudumics. I’d love to see the entire Board of Directors pack their bags and vanish, and wouldn't it be great if we could finally declare war on the Dinamo crowd? But hey, I'm not exactly an optimist when it comes to this club.
I realize I probably outdid the North Stand in terms of word count, and maybe even quality, so feel free to delete this if it's too much for you.🙂