Posts by bluerider2

George Peterson49 said:I honestly haven't a clue myself.

How can you not know? That’s actually your responsibility here, not mine.

Once you figure it out, please let us know; for now, I've moved the discussion over to the tiger thread, and it'll stay there indefinitely.

There isn't much for me to report, really. I feel quite strongly that if you're going to take on the role of moderator, you should either perform those duties properly or simply step aside from the position altogether.

First question

As soon as this thread opened, I flagged the topic as redundant, even suggesting it should be merged with the existing First aid - sick pet thread, but I’m at a bit of a loss as to what to do next. It seems the thread was kept entirely separate, and while I certainly understand why the FD moderator might feel such a deep concern for this specific issue—since I've been told it's a frequent struggle for Maltese owners—that doesn't change my feeling that the thread is unnecessary; it feels as though it was left up due to a bit of moderator bias, or perhaps it's simply poorly titled.

On a side note, I was wondering if anyone could shed some light on how reported moderator posts are actually handled? If reports are routed exclusively to the moderators of that specific PDF, I would truly appreciate knowing that for my own future reference, though I suppose only an admin or smodica over at KLJ could provide me with that answer.

Second question

I feel this particular situation might be a slightly more serious matter. According to our general terms and conditions, the forum exists to prohibit violation of US law. Now, I am certainly no expert when it comes to ornithology or parrot breeding, and since I'm not a moderator, I shouldn't need to be, but when someone starts a thread titled Paperwork - how do I get paperwork for pets not bought directly from a breeder?, it just doesn't strike me as entirely legitimate. Since, again, my knowledge of birds and breeding is quite limited, I phrased my report like this:

I'm really not sure how things work with birds, but wouldn't this potentially violate the law, even if it isn't explicitly mentioned in the sub-forum rules?

I am genuinely curious as to why a thread with a title implying legal violations was turned into a post and moved over to the discussion about Eclectus parrots. To my mind, there really are only two possibilities here:

(1) there actually is "paperwork" involved with parrots and the user is trying to acquire it through illegal means, or
(2) there is no such thing as "paperwork" for parrots at all, and the user is simply trolling because they are bored.

In either scenario, I don't believe the post should have been allowed to remain; it really ought to have been sanctioned.

Thanks so much in advance for any insight you can offer. 🙂

Michelle Evans said:...restlessangler..., I took a quick look at what's going on, and we'll be moving this thread back. There’s really no need to lock it, since our Blue Paw Association rules actually allow for both a support thread and an adoption thread for the same pet.

If I may be so bold as to suggest, perhaps the moderators could also migrate those posts that restlessangler happened to write on other threads in the meantime, just so her entire story can finally be gathered together in one lovely, complete place? 🤷

Lisa Young83 said:Since PPDF Blue Paw is an integral part of the Pets PDF, any questions that already have existing threads within the Pets section should be directed back to those specific threads. Starting yet another thread for a single animal would just create unnecessary clutter and make the Blue Paw PDF impossible to navigate. (...)

The highlighting is my own doing.

However, looking at the Rules originally drafted by former moderator Misery's Crown back in May 2009, there is a provision that really ought to be scrapped. It would certainly prevent Eda from running into these kinds of "confusions" moving forward:

If you have two separate threads for the same animal—one for medical help and one for adoption—you must keep them strictly separated.
This means that in the help thread, you only discuss the medical situation (while providing a link to the adoption thread for anyone interested in fostering), whereas the adoption thread is where you share all the details about the pet, photos, and everything else.

It seems restlessangler didn't follow the instruction to link the Udomljavanje thread within her newly opened request for help, or vice versa, but the explanation provided for closing the thread wasn't actually addressing that specific point.

Kenneth Ross8 said:Matthew Fox4, thank you so much for the answers!!

We hope these answers can be added here to the Rules, so they are clear and available to everyone on the forum!

I don't think we need to just record responses; if my opinion carries any weight at all, we should simply establish entirely new rules—because if the old ones aren't working, they clearly aren't valid, which seems evident based on recent moderator decisions and inconsistencies.

Until then, I believe we should stick to the current guidelines, and that applies to both the users and the moderators alike. It’s understandably tougher on our current mods because so many situations have been handled ad hoc depending on the circumstances, and since that requires a deep understanding of the subject matter, most forum members have grown accustomed to what we might call "customary law" here.

P.S. I feel compelled to write this here in the hope that if it's visible to everyone, it will be taken more seriously. 😢

Lisa Young83 said:@Kenneth Ross8/">@@Kenneth Ross8, any questions for the mods—unless they concern specific moderator decisions—can be posted in the Announcements, Suggestions, Ideas, and Actions... thread, just like before (...)

If I may be so bold as to disagree—speaking both as a former moderator and as the person who actually started this thread under its current title—I think we should look at the bigger picture.

The thing is, FD, you might not be aware that the previous thread was actually shut down because certain users were using it as a staging ground for personal arguments. During one particularly messy blowout, a new thread was opened without specifically including the word "questions" in the title. Over time, everyone just naturally accepted it for what it was, as indicated by the heading—and honestly, if anyone needs proof, I can certainly dig up the links to show how that happened.

It’s possible the thread might eventually get renamed to Question II, or perhaps the current moderation team will decide that everything should be handled through the PŽK, though at this point, we're really just left to speculate.

That being said, I feel your interpretation is a bit arbitrary; it suggests an "all or nothing" approach where either no questions are allowed at all, or every single question is permitted as long as it's phrased politely. Let's be real—nobody is untouchable here, and no one is as protected as a grizzly bear in a national park. At least, that’s how it has functioned until now.

If things are changing, then fine, let them change. I just hope there's some clarity provided along the way. 🙂

Nicholas King said:To put it mildly, it feels quite illogical and frankly a bit confusing that PPDF carries the name of one specific Association when there isn't actually any special connection there—it’s supposedly meant to serve all such organizations equally.

To be even more blunt, regardless of what the intention behind that naming was, the end result feels discriminatory toward other groups—unless, of course, that was something shady going on behind the scenes?

It looks like we were typing at the exact same time, so please excuse me for drifting off-topic here. When the Association was first being established and we were deciding on a name, we made sure to consult with the Admins as well as the person who came up with the name (Potal). It really isn't the right place or the right moment to dive into those details, nor is it my place to be explaining them all now; I’ll leave that to those who know the reasoning better and invite them to weigh in.

I would kindly ask you to apologize for casting doubt on our intentions and our actions, which seems to be what your use of "supposedly" and "something shady" implies.

Now, if I may, I suggest we get back to the heart of the matter—the dissatisfaction regarding the moderation of KLJ and its associated ppdfs—and simply wait for the moderator's response.

Kenneth Ross8 said:In this thread, it really doesn't matter who the Blue Paw Association is, or who Rina is, or who the Nine Lives Association is. It’s also irrelevant whether people are confusing the Blue Paw Association with the PPDF PS or if they are mixing up the Blue Paw Association with the Right Paw volunteer group...

Please forgive me for jumping back into this conversation, but I truly feel that it matters quite a bit. Specifically, I wanted to highlight what you mentioned here:

Kenneth Ross8 said:We believe that over the last year, the PPDF PS has been dying because the moderators are members of various association leadership teams, which inevitably leads to conflicts of interest.

As far as I am aware, that specific point refers to the Blue Paw Association. I don't know, nor do I particularly care, if any other moderators on KLJ during that same period—over the last twelve months—held positions within other organizations; my main goal was simply to clarify that in the case of the Blue Paw Association, such a conflict of interest never existed, nor could it have.

To reiterate my point:

Kenneth Ross8 said:It isn't even important how much help you provided to others as an association (...)

I wasn't mentioning that to brag, goodness no, but rather to emphasize that the Blue Paw Association has never once sought assistance through the PPDF PS, so there was never any possibility of a conflict of interest there.

That being said, I do agree with this part:

Kenneth Ross8 said:Personally, we believe that no moderator should have a direct connection to an association, nor should they elevate one organization while disparaging another.
They are there to fulfill clear duties, and they ought to keep their personal opinions to themselves or express them elsewhere.

That was actually the reason why I offered my resignation as a moderator at one point, though as a former moderator bound by confidentiality agreements, it is a matter I am no longer permitted to discuss.

Thank you all for your kind words regarding my time as a moderator, but please allow me to emphasize that none of that is what truly matters; rather, it is simply the fact that, to paraphrase, "in...For the past year I have served as both a moderator and a member of an Association", which could potentially be viewed as a "conflict of interest." You all understand the nuances here, but many others might not, and since this is a PPDF that other community members access—not just those active on the KLJ—I felt it was essential to share my perspective for the benefit of the entire forum audience, including our regulars on the KLJ.

On another note, I won't go overboard with quotes since you and Roger Ortiz2 have already touched on similar points; it's quite clear to me that when it comes to animal rescue, immediate moderator intervention is often desperately needed. It’s also obvious that those of us truly dedicated to animal welfare feel the impact of everything happening on the Blue Paw Association most acutely. However, looking at it objectively, the moderators on the KLJ treat the entire PPDF with the same level of oversight as its individual PPDF sections. That is a much broader discussion than what we are having right now, so perhaps the thread title should be adjusted or the topic split into two. Ultimately, it's up to the moderators of this PPDF to make that call. 🤷

Since I’m actually heading out the door in just a few minutes, and I’d love for your question to get an answer before I return—which would naturally mean wrapping this thread up—I think I’ll just leave you with these two short words. I did take the liberty of shortening the quote for brevity.

Kenneth Ross8 said:With this current lineup of moderators, it feels like you’re shouting into a void because getting a simple answer to any question has become an impossible task; one of them is somewhat active, I suppose, but others haven't shown their faces in months, leaving us all just waiting days on end for even the smallest reaction.

To be more precise—ever since I stepped down as a moderator for both KLJ and the Blue Paw Association on PPDF back in late June—it isn’t really my place to provide an answer anymore, nor is it my responsibility to do so. However, I am quoting him here because it's clear you've linked his point directly to the upcoming developments that involve me quite heavily.

I honestly feel like over the last year, the PPDF has been slowly dying on the vine, mostly because our moderators also happen to hold leadership positions in various Associations, which inevitably leads to some pretty messy conflicts of interest.

Over the past year, I’ve had the pleasure of serving as a moderator for KLJ, while also holding a seat on the Association's board. Blue Paw Association Just to clear things up for anyone who might be a bit lost on this: we are talking about a non-profit citizens' association that... I was just looking over the PPDF files from the PS. She shares the same name and a genuine passion for animal welfare, but beyond that, she doesn't have any actual connection to the PPDF. As far as I know, her only involvement is being listed on... Here is a quick rundown of the various Associations currently active....along with everyone else.

Never, but then again... Blue Paw Association NeverThe Blue Paw Association hasn't spent its time hunting for handouts on various online forums; if anything, we’ve been more focused on stepping up to help others whenever the opportunity arose, though I suppose we haven't exactly been shouting our good deeds from the rooftops, which might be why some of you haven't noticed. It wasn't always a massive undertaking, but we truly did what we could to lend a hand.

It’s honestly a bit disheartening to see how the Blue Paw Association has been unfairly targeted on the KLJ forums lately, with some people making rather rude accusations that we're just using the PS subforum to push our own agenda—though I haven't had a spare moment to dig up the specific links, they certainly aren't hard to track down if you're looking for them. To make matters even more confusing, I’ve recently realized that even among the KLJ moderators, there seems to be some genuine uncertainty regarding the fact that our Association is a completely separate entity from PPDF, which has led to us being mistakenly lumped in with the P group.rI wanted to make sure this got some visibility over on the Blue Paw Facebook page, so I thought I'd highlight it here.

Perhaps you didn't mean us specifically, and I'm sure there was absolutely no ill intent behind it, but since I have zero interest in office gossip or any sort of behind-the-scenes drama, I honestly can't tell who exactly this supposed conflict of interest is aimed at—so I felt compelled to speak up on behalf of the Blue Paw Association just to ensure our reputation remains untarnished.

As I mentioned when I first started out, you'll want to coordinate with the Admins and moderators regarding any other matters that might pop up. KLJ.

Brenda Rodriguez96 said:Oh, please forgive me! It was entirely my own fault for not getting that second post up when I originally intended to, as I was really hoping to split all the details across two separate messages because, quite frankly, I’ve never been much of a fan of
those massive, endless walls of text.
If you guys are open to it, I would love to finish up that second part later tonight.
Is there any way we could unlock the thread?

Thanks so much in advance! 😁

Of course there is. 🙂 If you had just jumped in with this second post right away instead of waiting, everything would have stayed perfectly fine.

So, if you're on board, let's settle on this plan: I'll go ahead and reopen the thread now, and then you can write an informative post about the breed. Honestly, I know how silly that sounds—it almost feels like I'm suggesting you just pop in and say, "Hey everyone, check out this gorgeous kitty, isn't she a stunner?"

And we certainly don't want to take that casual approach.

bluerider2 said:... and that's how they keep everyone else on the forum in the loop.

My apologies for the typo—I just caught it myself! I meant to say "other forum members." As it stands, I realize that might come across a little confusing. 😉

Brenda Rodriguez96 said:Hey there!
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I went ahead and started a new thread about Devon Rex cats over on the Pets PDF forum, but they shut it down immediately, claiming that isn't how you're supposed to start a discussion there.
It’s right here: I honestly find myself wondering if we’re all just collectively losing our grip on reality lately, because I can't help but feel like the more I observe the way people interact online, the more I question whether any of us actually possess a shred of common sense left. It seems to me that whenever a topic starts getting even slightly nuanced, everyone immediately retreats into their own little corners to shout whatever half-baked opinion they've cooked up, and frankly, it makes me feel a bit silly for even trying to engage in a thoughtful conversation when such chaos is the norm.
I honestly can't quite wrap my head around what the issue is supposed to be, though I'm sure I'm just missing something obvious.
I haven't come across anything quite like this before, though I must admit I might be missing something obvious! If the photos are causing any issues, please feel free to remove them, or if you wouldn't mind pointing out where I went wrong, I would truly appreciate the guidance.
I sent a private message to the moderators, but I haven't heard anything back from them just yet...

Would you mind if I started a new thread, perhaps with a few adjustments to the topic if that makes things easier?

😕

Over on the KLJ subforum, you’ll notice there aren't quite as many discussions centered around purebred cats as there are about purebred dogs, though that certainly doesn't mean the same logic doesn't apply to our feline friends. Just some dog-related topics to get the conversation started..

Quoting:

These threads should serve as our go-to hubs for all things related to the breed, providing a dedicated space for sharing essential information and engaging in thoughtful discussions.

So, I suppose we should expect the whole discussion regarding the feed to unfold something like this: I’ve always had such a soft spot for the British Shorthair; there is just something about their sturdy little frames and those soulful eyes that makes them absolutely irresistible to me.I really think that whoever kicks off a new thread should do more than just dump a bunch of photos into the chat; they ought to share a little bit about the breed itself to help get everyone else up to speed.

Jeffrey Morales4 said:Just to clarify what I mentioned earlier, I guess there is a bit of a distinction between electricity and vibration collars, as they aren't quite the same thing. The specific techniques used for working with service dogs are actually approved by HKS. It's worth noting that police and military units haven't been doing their own training from scratch for years now, so that's just my two cents on the matter.

Thanks so much, Ryan Cooper4, for the kind words of support 🙂 I truly adore all animals, especially dogs, and I certainly would never entrust one to anyone I didn't trust completely, so I think we're definitely on the same page here 🙂

Forgive me, but then how do you explain this—if you'll please look down toward the bottom, there are even more links provided.

slybison88 said:Oh please, every single Maltese on this forum was bought with full papers and rescued from the streets. Give me a break...

I really didn't intend to turn this Kanye West subforum into a political debate, but since you've opened the door, I suppose I should offer my two cents.

That isn't true, much like many other breeds out there. However, you seem to have overlooked how we've consistently worked to discourage puppy mills and crack down on the acquisition of unregistered pets whenever possible—though our approach varies depending on the circumstances. Beyond that, an owner of a dog from a mill isn't typically acting with the conscious, malicious intent to cause that animal any suffering.

steelorca2 said:The thing is, your personal feelings regarding dog docking are completely off-topic since they don't actually address any of the specific points I raised in my complaint.

I was honestly hoping to hold off on chiming in here until we heard back from the admin team, but since I can't help myself, I’ll just briefly touch upon the "questions I raised in my complaint" portion of your message. In response to Nixon, you included two different links, which—if you'll forgive my professional habit of translating things into plain English—basically amounts to an accusation that the moderators over at KLJ are taking bribes to allow blatant advertising for training classes and dog food.

If I may, I’d like to gently point out how unfounded those accusations are against us. On the thread How to find common ground with your dog - schools, centers, lectures [general topic], announcements are made for every single school, course, and lecture, regardless of who is running them. We actually laid out this exact policy way back in this post, which was written in March of this year. So, I have to wonder why there wasn't any pushback then? And if anyone needs proof that all sorts of different trainers and courses are indeed represented, I'll use a smaller font just to make this easier to scan through:

4, 5, 16, 28, 42, 44, 49, 66, 105, 144, 147, 148, 159, 160, 161, 163, 172, 177, 180, 181, 182.

That same unfairness applies to your second link as well, which simply points to posts from the first forty and last forty pages of the discussion.I've been spending quite a bit of time lately researching all the different options out there for dog food, and honestly, it feels like a full-time job just trying to figure out what's actually good for our furry little companions.I’ve noticed that some of our members have been posting quite a few suggestions regarding specific locations or individuals where one might pick up dog food, so I think it would be a lovely idea to perhaps switch to a smaller font for those particular threads.

1-40: 105, 134, 184, 279, It looks like we’ve officially crossed that threshold from 339 to 340, and honestly, I find myself feeling a little sentimental about the transition!, 418, 423, 455, 466, 470, 518, 691, 704, 706, 766 i 261-303: 5201, 5204,
5228, 5247, 5249, 5304, 5308, 5334, 5340, 5369, 5376, 5428, 5636, 5653, 5656, 5719, 5728, 5868.

Smartie, I truly feel like you’ve made yourself a bit of a target here, though I can certainly see why some might find you a thorn in their side for reasons beyond just your disagreements over dog training—which, granted, is entirely your prerogative—but your recent behavior seems a little disproportionate. You’ve been quite vocal about how certain types of pet food can be sourced through her, and since those specific brands were only just hitting the shelves in the States when those posts went up, we all decided to let them slide. It’s funny, really, because we never felt the need to step in when Pimpinell or Mash were pointing people toward specific suppliers, nor can I recall you ever flagging those instances, much like how we never banned anyone simply for recommending a local pet boutique.

In your second post on this thread, you actually laid out exactly what prompted this complaint quite clearly:

steelorca2 said:Let me be perfectly clear right from the start—the reason I’m filing this report is because of this hypocritical targeting of a specific group of people with differing opinions on the forum, all while hiding behind new rules disguised as legal mandates. While I personally feel that the way the rules regarding photos of docked dogs are being interpreted is totally arbitrary and lacks any actual basis in the law, the moderators have made it known they won't act as accomplices to breaking the law. So, I'm essentially pointing out the inconsistencies in how certain subforums are handled, where some areas are constantly under scrutiny while others are completely ignored.

It seems to me, however, that you are interpreting the situation through a rather subjective lens. Could you please provide a link to a post that proves this is actually an attempt to target a specific group of dissenters? The law isn't a smokescreen; it’s a real statute that prohibits docking tails and ears except in very specific circumstances, though I suppose most people here aren't particularly interested in debating legal minutiae. Unfortunately, we can't control the judges or the individuals—be they owners or vets—who either ignore the law entirely or actively break it, but we can choose not to participate by simply not allowing photos of, say, freshly docked puppies, or by asking that when photographing older pets (those docked under previous laws), it isn't the focal point of the image.

Furthermore, the American Kennel Club has already announced that moving forward, showing docked dogs at AKC-sanctioned events will be prohibited if they were docked after January 1, 2013. Perhaps our reaction was a bit premature? Maybe so. But it is also true that we are trying to raise awareness among owners of household pets (and I really want to emphasize the word "pets"), hoping that a change in public consciousness might eventually lead to a change in the law. If being wrong means accepting animal suffering, then thank you, but no thanks—none of us have anything left to prove here at KLJ. But if advocating for pet welfare and refusing to promote their mistreatment—even if that just means not posting photos—is acceptable, then there are likely plenty of other forums where owners can brag about, to put it bluntly, having their puppies' ears docked.

slybison88 said:Promoting puppy mills is banned on KLJ.
But posting photos of them isn't banned, yet there are plenty of them on KLJ.
And posting photos of docked dogs is forbidden.

How is it that posting photos of docked dogs counts as promotion, but posting photos of dogs from mills or feral populations doesn't? 🤷

Could you kindly provide a link confirming that, along with a reminder of when you last reported such a post? If your point is actually directed toward dogs found on the street or rescued from shelters who ended up there because of puppy mills, then I honestly wouldn't even know how to respond to that.
😢

I am truly sorry that you had to wait for several hours. If I were feeling particularly mischievous, I might suggest this was just excellent training for when you have to wait for a pet. You’ll be waiting on a good pet for quite a few months.

But in all seriousness, I don't work for the Reddit information desk; I'm just a volunteer moderator. I jump in whenever I can find a spare moment, which usually means checking in at least once a day to see if anything needs my attention or an intervention. If you're looking for someone on 24/7 duty, you'll probably have to look elsewhere.

That is all I can offer from my side. If that doesn't quite clear things up for you, then I'm afraid I've given you all the answers I have.

Another moderator ended up deleting your post, so I’ll just step in to provide some extra context while we wait for her to weigh in. You were asking if I was the one who removed it, and once I told you I wasn't, you moved on to asking where and at what price you could pick up a Havanese Bichon.

My answer remains the same—and will continue to be—that you should reach out to the NBA. We simply don't support buying dogs without papers or supporting illegal breeders here in the KLJ section. While we realize people will always try to find ways to buy from backyard breeders or smugglers, we have absolutely no desire to act as middlemen for that kind of activity.

Beyond all that, you actually brought up the question about Havanese Bichons in a thread specifically dedicated to Maltese, even though there is an entire separate section for Bichons. One would think that a regular user with 155 posts would take the time to notice and read through our pinned topics, such as the Rules, where everyone is clearly instructed to check the topic list before jumping in.

It feels like you’ve brushed all of that aside, yet you still feel entitled to criticize how we moderate the KLJ area. Honestly, if you happened to add Reddit to your Favorites in the meantime, please do me a favor and go ahead and remove it. Thanks! 🙂

Kate Murphy40 said:Please, try not to stall our progress just because you have a grudge against certain organizations, because that really isn't okay.

Wait, what? Honestly, that was a bit much.

At the end of the day, it's the animals who suffer!

I don't think so. Animals pass away. We are the ones left dealing with the heartache, mostly because we simply lack the power to make the world a better place.

That's all for now, let's get back to what matters—that topic that finally got opened up, and tomorrow's protest where we're hoping for a massive turnout. Peace.

Peace. 🙂

I suspect you might agree that we should probably close this thread, if only to stop it from weighing down the server, which, quite frankly, seems to be on life support at this point—if it even still exists. 🙂

To be perfectly blunt: you’re misrepresenting what happened here.

I never actually said that I wouldn't allow a dedicated thread to be created, so please, feel free to set the record straight with a link if you can find where I said that.

Since we're already discussing this exact same issue in two other places—as you pointed out yourself—it seems a bit redundant to clutter things up with yet another topic, doesn't it?

My intention wasn't to direct you here, but rather toward our "local" feedback thread, Suggestions, Critiques, Ideas, and Complaints, where we could have all cleared this up together.

In the few short hours since this started, it was decided that instead of making a specific thread like the one you envisioned, we would open a much broader discussion elsewhere, and everyone was kindly asked to move the conversation there so we wouldn't end up scattering the debate all over the forum.

So, what is the real issue at hand? Is it really about who gets to lead the conversation? Sadly, I think the spotlight has already been stolen by the dogs that were euthanized.

bluerider41 said:Well, I did notice people were having some pretty heated debates on a different thread, yet my little post was just completely overlooked. 😢

First off, please forgive me for being so late to the party with this response.

I suppose one could explain why your original post lost its way by using a rather simple comparison...

Original post:

Whenever I’m out walking through town and spot a dog, I just can't help myself—I have to give them a little pet. I’ve honestly never had anyone tell me to "get lost." Sometimes, I even make a point to politely ask if it's okay to pet the dog first.

I’ve noticed that some older ladies who walk those tiny Maltese or little pups can be incredibly cranky and absolutely hate it when people try to touch their dogs. I actually ran into this exact situation recently:

I was standing at the station with a friend when we saw two dogs. One was being walked by a young woman, and the other by an older lady. The younger girl walked about fifteen feet ahead. Both of us got ready to go in for some pets, and the young woman just laughed because she thought it was adorable how we were cooing over her pup for those few seconds, but the older lady grabbed her Maltese and practically bolted from behind the newsstand just to make sure we wouldn't touch the dog.

🤣

Does it bother you when strangers try to pet your dogs? 😍

Edited post, and twice at that. Initially, I scrubbed the parts that I felt—forgive my bluntness here!—came across as a bit disrespectful toward the elderly, and then bluerider41 added her own take.

Whenever I’m out walking through town and spot a dog, I just can't help myself—I have to give them a little pet. I’ve honestly never had anyone tell me to "get lost." Sometimes, I even make a point to politely ask if it's okay to pet the dog first.

Does it bother you when strangers try to pet your dogs? 😍

I ended up editing my post because I really don't see why you feel entitled to criticize how others behave, especially in such a tone, when you admit that sometimes you ask politely. It certainly wouldn't hurt to always be polite. 🙂

P.S. Thanks so much for imposing your views on everyone else! 😉 You’re such a wonderful moderator.

And now, I shall finally liberate the CNN subforum from your post forever. I hope leaving it right here is enough.

Could you please merge this with the thread Where can I pick one up?. Much appreciated! 🙂