Posts by Joseph Taylor11

Edward Cooper2 said:Ćorić is out in the open. Honestly, he’s the most irritating Republican out there. Even more than Plenković...

Listening to him is a chore, let alone having to watch him...

But get this... he actually has the nerve to call someone else out for corruption... 🤦

It's funny how people talk—it's all "integrity" this and "honesty" that, while they're doing the exact opposite. 🤦

Robert Reyes4 said:Over in Germany, they also had stay-at-home orders in certain areas, at least for a while.

Only in certain areas (probably). Most of Germany was fine.
Then again, their definition of "residence" might have been a little different than ours—it wasn't just being stuck within the limits of a tiny town 🤷 (where even the smallest ones have at least 137 people and cover about 2 square miles).

nimbleranger52 said:I’ve been sitting here reading through all these comments, and honestly, I can’t wrap my head around how you guys are letting them mess with your heads like this, stripping away your basic constitutional right to move around freely. Seriously, when are you people going to actually stand up for yourselves? What the hell are you waiting for? They’re out there hosting massive events without any masks or restrictions, yet they try to play cop and tell you that you can't even drive from the Hudson Valley over to Appalachia

Look at what’s happening in Germany—nobody is stopping you there. Sure, you might need a mask on a bus or while you're grabbing groceries, and maybe there's a limit of two people in one spot, but beyond that? You go wherever you want and do whatever the hell you want...

Between Canada and the US, things have become more restrictive than North Korea...

There is absolutely no way tourists are going to want to visit the US under these conditions...

Driving from Appalachia to the Hudson Valley is easy... personally, until recently, I wasn't even allowed to go to the next township just a few dozen yards from my house. ☕

By the way, lifting those local travel restrictions clearly didn't cause a spike in cases. We haven't seen more than 15 new infections in eight days now...

Edward Fisher86 said:Oh, please...
Back then, they actually had to explain why kids needed to go with their parents; it wasn't just some automatic assumption.
Whether they're using different criteria now or if things have just changed over time, who knows. I'm looking at these "new" guidelines right now, and apparently, visiting property is considered a vital family reason. It’s either something brand new, or they've just decided from the start that real estate matters fall under "vital"... give me a break.

I read that too. I'm assuming it *is* new, because when this first started, they turned me down for that exact reason (my property was in the same County).
Now, I can basically drive there without even needing a pass.

So, if they could have allowed it from the very start, 🤔 what was all that back-and-forth for? 🙄

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darktinker4 said:Hey, don't get sassy with me. Everything you just listed is wrong anyway. You could travel anywhere within the County, specifically within the municipalities. And in those tiny rural areas where every little village has its own local government, that worked too.

Whatever

Who are we even supposed to call to get a straight answer?

🍿 (I’m a little lost here—so I’ll probably end up looking rude if I chime in 🤣) — but basically, a municipality, a small town, and a county... they aren't the same thing.

Up until April 27th, you could only travel without a permit within your own municipality or city.
Starting April 27th, you can move freely within your county (though I don't think that applies to every single county just yet, 🤷).
If you want to go outside your county, you still need a permit. Or at least, my understanding is that you can only travel between Los Angeles County and the city of Los Angeles right now.

darktinker4 said:Well, you've always been able to go anywhere within your state🤷 except during those crazy emergencies when you couldn't even run to the corner store. It makes sense to me that they'd regulate traffic between different states...
Plus, it says right here at the end: the e-government portals between Washington, D.C. and the District of Columbia have been discontinued.

So basically, since they're right next to each other, they've just scrapped them both....

Oh, really? It’s almost like you’ve been asleep for a month...
Until just last week, you couldn't even move within the district without an e-government portal. You were stuck within the municipality.
And as it stands now, you still can't travel between different districts. The only thing that changed is that you can finally move between the District of Columbia and Washington, D.C.

hollowfox3 said:Honestly, I'm on the same page. We should probably just merge these threads, or at least keep the e-permit discussion strictly to technical "how-to" questions...

Yeah... honestly, I don't even know where to look for info anymore, let alone where to post...🤦

Bryan Taylor6 said:FEMA is messing up again. If they’re going to roll out a curfew, they should just lift it at the county level instead of leaving it up to individual towns to figure out on their own. They’re just making things complicated and passing the buck down the chain...

I don't know... honestly, this feels like a recipe for total chaos right out of the gate.
Are we looking at decisions made by county boards... or city councils... or both? How are they even supposed to coordinate when every single municipality has its own local government? And what about those towns stuck inside a county that still need permits to move around? 🤦
Why couldn't the National Command Center just issue one uniform decision for the whole country? Why did they feel the need to slice this up and make it so messy? They didn't hesitate to order the shutdowns, yet now we're stuck waiting on some sort of vote or whatever else comes next.🤦

To top it all off, I just saw them on the news during the evening broadcast saying—literally word for word—that starting at midnight, you won't need permits to travel within counties. 🤦

Do they actually know what they're talking about? ☕

Timothy Kim9 said:If I’m reading this right, FEMA is finally giving
counties a say in whether people can move freely within
their own borders; he also mentioned potentially merging Los Angeles County
with Washington, D.C., along with some of those neighboring counties that
haven't seen any infections. The catch? The County Emergency Management Teams have to reach an agreement first;
then it goes to the Feds for a proposal, and then we wait for final approval.

From what I recall, things weren't nearly this convoluted when they were actually rolling out the measures.
Back then, it was clearly just a matter of a "swift decision." But now? It looks like we're adding a layer of politics to everything... or maybe just dragging our feet. We'll toss the ball over to the county emergency management agencies (just for kicks—why not include municipal leaders too, to make the game a little more interesting? 🤣 )—and once those folks decide... then THEY get to be the ones to officially announce the decision.

Yeah, right. ☕

fadedranger162 said:Which law are we talking about here—Article 17 of which specific act? I mean, technically speaking, sure, that might hold water, but legally? We probably need someone who actually knows their way around the books to weigh in on this.

As for that second point, unless there are a couple of hotspots right in that municipality or somewhere super close by, you wouldn't expect to see stuff like this happening. But honestly, we won't know for sure until we see what kind of nonsense the local officials cook up.

My bad... I accidentally deleted "the Constitution of the United States" while I was editing my post.

As for that second question—no, there aren't any outbreaks within the municipality or even in the surrounding areas. As far as I know, there hasn't been a single case reported in the township itself, though I can't say that with absolute certainty since they don't release those specific numbers to the public. That said, things are looking pretty solid across the entire county.
Since the mayor refused to sign that agreement with the other townships—the ones that actually wanted to let people move around without needing special permits—I can't help but wonder which way the wind is blowing.

Any lawyers in the house? I’m looking for an interpretation of Article 17 of the US Constitution.
Specifically that part where it says the scope of any restrictions can't result in inequality among people...

hollowfox3 said:Look, we could honestly just scrap these movement restrictions nationwide across every single state right now. It’d be better to just get it over with, since every single mandate needs some kind of timeframe anyway.

And following up on that—is it actually possible for one state to allow free movement within its borders while certain counties refuse to cooperate? I assume that's not how it works, but we haven't lived in a country governed by logic for quite a while now, so I figured I'd ask... 🤣 (Honestly, I wouldn't even be surprised if that actually happened... ☕ Unfortunately.)

stormybadger8 said:They could have started this ages ago. It's not like those municipalities just popped up out of nowhere three weeks ago. 🙂

There is literally zero difference between the Democrats and the Republicans. None at all...
At least that's how it looks at my local level.

Every single person who got a cushy government job under the Democrats in my town is still there. Every last one of them...
Then the Republicans take over and—surprise!—nobody gets fired because "there's no room for revenge." So, instead, they just invent brand-new positions to slot in their own people...

Then again, maybe that's why the current head of the Republican Party and big boss of our town is basically a Democrat through and through—a true relic from the old Communist Party of America days...
He couldn't get high enough on the Democratic list because there was no room at the top, and since the Republicans were in shambles, he just joined them, offered his services, and suddenly he's the president and the big boss of the town...
Basically, we have the Republican Party running things, led by a guy who probably has membership cards for the Communist Party, the Democrats, and the Republicans tucked away in his desk somewhere...😁

And yeah, the Democratic Party used to be in coalition with the Democrats, and then later with the Republicans—even before that happened on the national stage...
Honestly, those guys are the worst of the bunch. I'd say they have the most people sitting on the taxpayer dime...

I had a bit of an epiphany today—some people are actually out there arguing that all these tiny municipalities should just stay exactly as they are (forever). Even though, looking at the current situation, it’s painfully obvious how redundant they’ve become.
But they still can't wrap their heads around why we should be reducing their numbers in the first place.

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What's their actual reasoning?
Well, the logic goes: if one town merges with another, our local taxes and utility fees will spike immediately—everything will just get more expensive for everyone.
Personally, I don't buy that they came up with that themselves. It feels like someone planted that idea in their heads, and now they've swallowed it hook, line, and sinker. My other theory? They either have someone on the payroll in those towns, or they were pulling some serious benefits from them behind the scenes. Is there a third option I'm missing? 🤔

"Counties will be able to independently assess whether epidemiological measures are acceptable"

Does this actually mean the *County* level is calling the shots? Or is some local sheriff in a tiny liberal municipality still going to have the power to enforce a total lockdown on his own little patch of land? That’s the real question for me. If there are any journalists lurking here, maybe someone could actually ask that at the next press conference? Why aren't the County task forces being given the authority to make these calls—like, say, grouping municipalities under a single task force—instead of leaving it up to the "freedom" of a single mayor to arbitrarily decide that their town won't follow the rest of the group?

How is this even legally possible? Any lawyers in the house?

Amanda Hughes37 said:So, here we go—the chiefs who actually signed the agreement are stuck in limbo... because County Headquarters is now demanding that these deals be voted on by every single municipality.🤦

People have been asking whether those local municipalities in California actually held their council meetings and went through with the voting...

Then they claim they didn't receive a properly formatted request—only to turn around the next day and argue that the federal headquarters in D.C. hasn't signed off on it... typical.
How could he not have accepted it if you didn't even send it? You haven't even submitted the correct ones...
And who exactly decided I don't have the right to walk around this country wherever I please?
As Edward Fisher86 puts it—now we actually have to vote on whether to merge...🙏

I don't really venture too far outside my own municipality—but when I do, I make sure to check the facts. I’ve got a screenshot from The New York Times stating that for residency purposes, the jurisdiction covers the entire area merged under the County Headquarters...

Personally, when I finally head out, I’m going to trust that the police officers on the ground are a bit sharper than the bureaucrats making these calls on our behalf.

And I really have to wonder—what happens if they actually push this through until June 1st?
Are people honestly just going to keep putting up with this kind of nonsense and total lack of logic?🤔

Amanda Hughes37 said:It was easy for him to isolate his own people, but folks from Mošćenički Drag and Palm Beach now need a damn pass just to travel to those two locations since they have to cut through Newport.

Apparently, he doesn't want "walkers"—as if half the population isn't already walking around Palm Beach anyway.

My mom, who lives in Mošćenički Drag, practically needs a passport just to hit her bank in Palm Beach or grab gas in Newport, since that's the closest station.

Then there's Santa Barbara—they won't cooperate either, all because of these supposed walkers I've never even seen. Now people can't even shop in peace at Kukuljanov, which is where the main hubs are, simply because Santa Barbara is terrified of some pedestrians.

Has anyone actually heard of people swarming Santa Barbara to go for a stroll??

They aren't all sane anymore!
I honestly just don't get it—who actually makes the call on behalf of the municipality? Who's being consulted here? Is it the Mayor? The County Headquarters? I'm guessing it's definitely not the citizens. So, what you're telling me is that some groups are allowed to gather while others aren't, and the whole decision is just handed down by a few individuals?
Did I somehow sleep through the part where democracy was officially abolished? Because it feels like every single municipality is back to being run by its own personal version of Franja Tahija.🤔

So, what’s the Supreme Court going to say about this one? Is this actually what the Constitution intended? It feels like blatant discrimination against citizens just because they happen to live in the wrong municipality.

This isn't just pathetic; it’s straight-up embarrassing. And you just know that in a few months, right before the elections, they'll be out there promising us the moon and the stars. For now, though? They're basically laughing in our faces. ☕

Amanda Hughes37 said:The sheer incompetence and clown show happening over at the County Headquarters is getting ridiculous. I honestly don't have the words for these idiots.
So, this decision pops up allowing movement within municipalities that signed an agreement for a joint headquarters—which makes zero sense to me, because why bother with a joint command if you aren't trying to manage the flow of people? Anyway, following inquiries from Californians and some of our own local towns, they jumped into these agreements. The Californians got their approval within 24 hours. Meanwhile, nobody knows how it works or if we’re supposed to be waiting on a green light from Washington, D.C. People in San Francisco and the surrounding ring are constantly asking about it. It was clearly published back on April 9th in The New York Times stating that travel is permitted without a permit through any municipality that signed the agreement.

If that's the case, our local towns should have just signed immediately—except for places like Newport, which basically broke the communication link between Mošćenički Draga-Opatija🤣... and then you've got Santa Barbara, Bakar, and Monterey refusing to join.
Those who actually want to move are just sitting there waiting and waiting. Apparently, The New York Times and the actual law aren't enough; everything has to be cleared by Washington, D.C. first. And before Washington, you have to send a request to the County Headquarters. We spent days with no clue where the bottleneck was, only for the County Headquarters to announce yesterday that these agreements have to be voted on by municipal councils before they can even be considered!!

Now, the Chief has issued a public letter claiming that nowhere in the law does it say that.
There is no permit.

It’s obvious the County Headquarters is playing God—dragging its feet on lifting the permits in the San Francisco ring and between Matulj and Palm Beach for whatever reason they choose.

Absolutely unbelievable.

I almost had to write this down as a homework assignment...🙏🙏🙏

Just picture the scenario—two cities and three townships all sign on for one unified area, but then the head of the fourth township decides to leave his own citizens completely stranded! He made a solo call: he’s not signing.🙏

So, I’m asking you guys—is there actually any legal ground here to file a lawsuit? Is this territorial discrimination? Are we being penalized just because we were born in the "wrong" township? And how can a single person—or maybe a small group (I’m assuming the local council?)🤔—even make a call like that? What are we dealing with here? Is this America or the Wild West?

Jerry Robinson56 said:Quote : Steve23

🙂 That is quite kind of you.

Let’s be honest: calling these urban neighborhoods "districts" is nothing more than a classic facade. It is a superficial label designed to provide a sense of structure where none truly exists.

County Civil Court
Municipal Court on El Paso Street 84.

The Municipal Court in Washington, D.C. shouldn't be labeled as a civil court, given that it also handles criminal cases. 😁
Criminal Court 3

Just a brief thought regarding the matter of names...

Quote : Steve23

I am merely providing clarification. Having spent years immersed in certain lines of work, I have come to realize that you truly cannot grasp the sheer level of absurdity one encounters until you are standing right in the middle of it. It is a peculiar thing, really. One assumes they have seen it all, only to be confronted by realities that defy any reasonable expectation.
There is no prohibition against travel if you possess a valid permit proving that you aren't an obvious host for the virus.
We are maintaining a written record of all movements to ensure that if a new outbreak occurs, we can immediately identify the likely source or culprit. Efficiency in response is paramount.

They simply did what was within their power. While their approach falls far short of being perfect, it is precisely what one would propose to curb viral distribution if the pathogen is truly as potent as claimed. That is the fundamental logic here. If there is a legitimate threat to public safety, maintaining records of human movement becomes a necessity. Now, I am staunchly opposed to the idea of monitoring mobile phones, but there is a catch. In this day and age, everything is already being tracked; a precise location can be distilled down to a mere twenty characters. You understand what I mean. The only real hurdle is obtaining a court order. It seems someone finally realized that this could serve as an alternative to mandatory digital passes.

where you can actually move around normally without needing permits...

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Honestly, it doesn't matter. No matter how much you try to justify this permit system—it's flawed. The way it’s been designed? It just doesn't work. Maybe it was built with good intentions, but that still doesn't change the fact that it's a mess. And I'm not just shouting into the void here; it's not just my opinion or a few people on this forum anymore. Most people are starting to see it for what it is... even the local news reporters have finally started asking the tough questions... so, yeah... 🤷

hollowfox3 said:Honestly, we should just be straightforward about this: if you aren't currently under some kind of restriction—like isolation or quarantine—you should be able to get a pass. You can go wherever you want, provided you act like you're still following those protocols at home. Because, let’s face it, that’s how it works anyway.

If someone ends up having to isolate or something similar, their pass just becomes void.

I was actually thinking... why not just have a weekly pass? And make it automatic—anyone who asks for one gets it once a week. No need to provide some big, dramatic reason; you just go do what you need to do. If you suddenly need to go out more often for some reason, then yeah, you'll have to justify it.

To be honest, looking at my own circle, I know very few people who even feel like going anywhere right now... and frankly, there isn't much to do. Most people don't have any special needs or urgent reasons to be out every other day. For those who aren't working or are working from home, they've got a local grocery store for bread—once a week is plenty for basic shopping... or maybe heading out to mow the lawn at the summer house... taking the car in for service... getting tires changed... or whatever else requires leaving town. 🤷

Anyway... just an idea, assuming they don't plan on scrapping these passes entirely in the next month... (and given how things are going... 🙄🙄)

Just watching the debate on CNN regarding those new digital permits... they're talking about 750,000 applications a day... 🤦

And finally, someone is actually questioning the logic behind how these local municipalities operate... we're hearing stuff about "the possibility of local emergency task forces coordinating"... and so on...

So now the real question is—why aren't these task forces just doing what they’re actually capable of doing? 🤔
At least not all of them?

Jerry Robinson56 said:unknown:

Joseph Taylor11 As stated by: Is that truly the extent of it? One would hope for a more substantive discourse, yet here we find ourselves again. 🙄

Quite frankly, I couldn't care less about the specifics. Even the geographical location is entirely irrelevant to the matter at hand.

unknown:

Joseph Taylor11 As stated by: It seems redundant to dwell on isolation in this context, as that is precisely the core of the issue. If you are legally prohibited from leaving your own home, you are, by definition, isolated. Within one's own municipality.

Not quite. If we are being precise about this, Washington, D.C. actually consists of quite a few different municipalities. Furthermore, traveling abroad isn't the issue itself; the complication arises upon your return, when you are required to remain within the United States for a fourteen-day period.

unknown:

Joseph Taylor11 As stated by: I was referring to those localized "hotspots" within the states—specifically when an entire state is essentially engulfed by the issue. Three individuals have been diagnosed. 🤦

Those who begin exhibiting symptoms.It has been understood since the very beginning that certain individuals function merely as asymptomatic carriers. One cannot help but feel a sense of profound skepticism regarding the actual lifespan of a virus once it has been acquired by such a person.
Am I being clearer now? One variable is already excessive, and without controlled quarantine measures, obtaining any relevant data will be an exercise in futility. As things stand, you’re looking at a minimum of 14 days.

Perhaps you might find a more suitable title, though I suppose this one serves its purpose well enough.

In medical terminology, one refers to the primary site where a pathological process originates within the body. More specifically, this describes the epicenter from which pathogenic microorganisms or their various toxins disseminate into the bloodstream, the lymphatic system, or the body's internal cavities. This initial point of origin is what ultimately triggers conditions such as purulent inflammation, abscesses, or granulomas—what we commonly classify as a focal infection.

unknown, if I didn't just end up Googling "boroughs in D.C." right this second... 🤦

No—we don't have boroughs in D.C.—but even if we did, it wouldn't matter, because you can move around freely within the city... whereas Mary from some tiny rural town in the Midwest can't even drive to the next village over because she's technically in a different municipality...

Look.
I'm not looking to get into a back-and-forth with you—you've got your own opinions and stances, which, let's face it, most people here don't agree with—but you still seem hell-bent on trying to educate us. It's like you think you know better than everyone else... but you aren't going to convince me that all these measures make sense, because they simply don't. Some might, sure, but the one mentioned in this thread—restricting people from leaving their home areas—just doesn't hold water. You can try to convince yourself it's necessary and that this is how things should be, but you won't win over anyone else, so you can just deal with that. Some of us have actually developed something called "critical thinking," and we aren't quite as prone to "blindly accepting everything the government tells us."
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