Posts by Joseph Taylor11

Adam Collins4 said:First off, learn how to spell someone's last name... that should be the bare minimum here...

Second, I couldn't care less about the comments from the crowd that can't grab a coffee anymore, or the idiots who would drive to another state just to hunt down some germs or because there's better selection in the grocery stores over there...

Demagoguery?

That's exactly what you and the people who can't handle being slightly isolated are selling...

We've turned into a society of soft crybabies because that's how we've been conditioned... honestly, if real trouble actually hits, 90% of you whining right now about a little bit of social distancing wouldn't stand a chance at surviving....

Bravo... because clearly, that matters so much...
My mistake—so please, feel free to keep "violating" common sense. It feels to me like you'll be picking fights with yourself pretty soon... two or three weeks max.

Adam Collins4 said:You aren't spending "way" more money; you're just spending more, which isn't the same thing...

I mean, what choice are you really looking for? Bread, dairy, meat, deli stuff, maybe some canned goods if that's your thing—you can find all of that anywhere.

I get your point, I really do, but now isn't exactly the time to be obsessing over whether something is a dollar or two cheaper somewhere else...

If we're going to play that game, you might as well factor in the cost of gas it takes to drive all the way into the city to hit those big retailers...

Getting to the center of town - 3.7 miles
Driving to the next city over - 1.6 miles
Heading to the nearest major metro area - 6.2 miles.

And right now, you're definitely in the minority here—so let's skip the demagoguery.
Go check out the news sites where they published that interview with Capak—he mentioned that things MIGHT start easing up by early June—and just look at the comments. People are already losing their minds.
I'm genuinely curious what's going to happen, say, at the beginning of May?

And just one more thing: I lived through '91 too... and I don't remember the entire country being under lockdown or everyone getting stuck within their tiny county lines (even though back then—just as a reminder—those counties basically only covered four modern-day neighborhoods plus the city!!).
So seriously—now is really not the time for war stories.
All we're waiting for now is for the old political factions to start clashing again... so we can finally figure out which way the wind is blowing.
(But honestly, I'm done talking about it... I always end up getting sucked into these debates... but if they didn't teach me how to think for myself, jbte, what was the point?...)

Adam Collins4 said:It’s not about getting torn apart...

Look, nobody is claiming it's easy to be detached... but given how technology works these days, it’s a whole lot easier than it used to be...

It’s not like you have elderly folks who are immobile and left without any care... we aren't talking about not seeing a girlfriend for a couple of weeks...

So really, what are you so afraid of?

Look, I wasn't even talking about being separated from a partner—because of this and that government (among other things), I've actually been distanced from him for months already—but that’s not what we're discussing here.

My point was that it’s absolutely insane that you can't even get into an HONEST grocery store!

And regarding that bolded part—if it lasts until early June—well, considering this all kicked off on March 23rd... that doesn't exactly look like "a couple of weeks" to me... and I know others feel the same way too...

But fine... I don't really have anything else to add to this topic—I'm just waiting to see how things play out. I see some people are already starting to crack after just one week... so I'm genuinely curious. Sometimes I hate being right—but I'm worried I might actually be right this time.

Kenneth Jones70 said:Here’s what I’m thinking—things should start hitting the fan this week for regular folks, especially couples torn apart by this morbid decision.

I’m sending an email to the Department of Justice tomorrow morning. Naturally, I’ll be citing the U.S. Constitution and all those international treaties we signed that guarantee nobody can just restrict your freedom of movement.

There are thousands of couples in America being screwed over right now.

Is this really okay with them? Just dropping an "indefinite" ruling like that and making people suffer?

The government needs to let these couples move freely. And look, I’m not saying this as some "softie" who can't function without a girlfriend or partner.

I can handle it, sure—but it’s just not mentally healthy to have the government telling you that you can't see your significant other.

They need to fix this law immediately and allow travel from point A to point B.

The real question is when someone is going to snap—and I might be the first one to hop in my car and end up in a holding cell because I refuse to run from the cops.

When I brought this up before, I got pretty chewed out by some people on here. So now, I mostly just lurk. I read everything, but I stay quiet. Still, I felt like I really needed to make this point.

Nancy Rivera3 said:An employer can issue a pass based on where an employee lives versus their actual job site, which also covers field work authorization through a travel order.
Or perhaps they could even do it without a formal travel order, just by using a signed statement from the boss... I’m honestly not sure about that part because my company has completely suspended all field visits anyway.

That being said, @tessaa, if you’re feeling brave, I really think your employer could issue you a pass (along with a travel order) without making a huge ordeal out of it just so you can handle whatever business you need to attend to one time. Unless, of course, you're under a self-isolation order—in which case, you'll just have to stay quiet and wait out the two weeks or whatever time you have left. It isn't the end of the world.

Regardless, the whole situation is just sickening; seeing one of the poorest nations in North America enforcing such brutal restrictions and causing such economic devastation, while people in some of the wealthiest countries are living almost completely normally!

The little Napoleon Bonapartes and Adolf Hitlers of the world have "come out of the closet," and frankly, who cares... though the ones we see today are actually worse than those historical figures who at least had some semblance of strategic planning going on with three grains of salt in their heads. No, no, these guys are more like Nero or the captains of the Titanic! And to top it off, they’re patting each other on the back and playing the "hero" role. It is truly nauseating to watch.

But they’ll save themselves one way or another on this sinking ship, and right now, they're enjoying their little "victory" days. Once it's all over, they'll figure things out as they go, using this as an excuse for another decade of crisis and selling off vital state assets for pennies on the dollar to massive multinational corporations...

Where on earth did anyone get the idea that I'm in quarantine just because I'm complaining about this??🤦

My employer is in a different city entirely. I work from home.
I’ll get my pass whenever and if ever I actually have to head into town for work.

Though, at this point, it doesn't even matter.
The thing is—this isn't just me barking at nothing—it affects everyone.

Even if I managed to sort everything out for myself perfectly, I’d still be bothered by the sheer way this whole thing was handled.
Is it really that hard to wrap your head around?
That there are people who will push back against stupidity—even when it doesn't hit them directly?🤔
Well, I suppose some people do. But that's clearly not me.☕
I think a healthy rebellion against nonsense is just baked into my DNA.

Keith Cox6 said:Look, Joseph Taylor11, you’ve been super active in this thread since day one, but honestly? You aren't being constructive at all. If this is how you "sound" when you're emailing officials to demand a pass—basically threatening the CZ headquarters by saying they'll lose your vote in the next election—then it’s no wonder you aren't getting anywhere with those flimsy little arguments you keep repeating.
Instead of all that, if you're really as "trapped" by municipal borders as you claim, then just order stuff online. Report local shopkeepers overcharging people to the inspectors, check in with neighbors in town to see if everything's okay with the property, FaceTime your family and friends, or... I don't know, find some other way to pass the time.
If you actually want to go, then go talk to the Mayor or the CZ head and try to secure a permit for shopping or food supplies. For all the other reasons you think they owe you access to neighboring counties—just shut up. You're coming off as incredibly arrogant.

Also, I totally agree that these (completely illogical) measures hit the rest of us way harder than Washington, D.C. residents. It feels like we might just be the test subjects for future restrictions that Washington will eventually have to get used to if this whole COVID situation spirals. We're basically the guinea pigs. 🙂

That’s your take, and honestly, I couldn't care less. I generally don't care what strangers think of me.

I started out being incredibly polite when dealing with the local emergency management office... after that, I obviously had to show a little "attitude"—but I ended things on a polite note again. And pretty constructively, too—because, if you really must know, our local police department decided that people in my town actually don't need travel permits to get to the next city over. So I handled that part (whether you call it constructive or arrogant, I don't really mind)—basically, I got it done.
(And clearly, I wasn't the only one complaining... but even if I had been, I'm glad I could help everyone else out! 👍)

The fact that I'm being "easygoing" on this forum is just a defense mechanism—and if I want to protect my own mental health, that’s a good thing for me.
For everyone else, I suggest using the "ignore" button.
I assume it works.
(Because personally, I don't have anyone on "ignore.")

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By their logic, the whole "vital life interests" requirement for getting a pass basically boils down to one thing: making sure you don't starve to death.

I mean, checking on an apartment in another city (say, popping in every two weeks), watering your plants there, visiting family, or even just picking up some groceries... none of that counts as a "vital interest." According to them, that’s just being spoiled.

Honestly, it’s disgusting. It makes me sick...

electricbadger89 said:Can't you just apply for an exemption based on family needs? You explain why it's necessary, give them a timeframe, and I don't see why they wouldn't approve it.

I’d definitely apply
And if they actually had the nerve to deny it when you clearly have to take care of a family member...

It all really comes down to who's sitting in the CZ headquarters at the local municipal office.
Short and sweet! I've seen it happen firsthand!

Carl Wilson said:Wait, hold on a second... do you honestly think the Chief is personally hand-delivering those passes or something? Like, why on earth would you think they'd be targeted just because you didn't vote for the current administration? I mean, look, at CZ, it's not like everyone there is just a political appointee—it’s not even a job people are lining up for. It’s more like a necessary evil, honestly. It can't be easy for them, spending all day making decisions that some big shot at the top handed down without giving a single thought to how the actual American administrative system works, and then having to deal with everyone breathing down their necks every single morning about who they're being "loyal" to.

Oh, come on... no way. ☕

That's like believing in Santa Claus.

(And I'm not just guessing here—I actually know who's who and which party they belong to...)

The issue isn't just that some folks at CZ might make things "easier" for certain people while making life miserable for others—it's the fundamental logic behind how the whole thing was designed by the CZ leadership.
Restricting movement within a small town versus restricting movement within a major city is night and day.
People living in big cities—and let's face it, most Americans live in cities!!—probably find this hard to wrap their heads around. That's exactly why I keep writing so much: hopefully, someone will start seeing the bigger picture.

dustymarlin10 said:Exactly.
And once people actually start complaining or questioning things, some local idiot from the civil task force pops up and threatens them with lawsuits.
Just like our guy Avar over in Cleveland.

Besides, the authorities in Cleveland are already famous for suing anyone who disagrees with them, yet they don't feel a shred of shame taking tax dollars from the very people they're targeting.

But hey, what else can you expect from leaders headed by someone who’s dealing with an unappealed criminal conviction, spends his time trashing his own allies, and picks fights on Facebook?

Hopefully, voters will actually know how to hold them accountable at the next election.

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(As for me, I'll definitely be "rewarding" my local town officials—they’re going to get a very specific response the next time they try to ask me "which number should I circle on my ballot"—and it'll be short and sweet...)

restlessbear10 said:Does anyone happen to know how long this measure is supposed to last? The fact that my mom is living 9.3 miles far away in a different state—and who knows when I'll actually be able to see her again—combined with the fact that everything depends entirely on my neighbors and relatives, is honestly starting to get to me quite a bit.

Look, if we actually knew the answer to that, we probably wouldn't have wasted 44 pages on this thread by now.😉
That’s the thing—we just don't know. And honestly, that's exactly where the trouble lies. You can manage for a week or two without a major grocery store nearby, but try doing a month or two? That's when things really start to fall apart.

And to think they actually lectured us about not "hoarding supplies." Meanwhile, you look at the shelves in any grocery store and they’re fully stocked.

Yes!😠 Only one, and that's in the bigger cities.🙂

Joseph Taylor11 said:There’s a massive difference between being isolated in a tiny little hamlet like Lower Nigdarjev—where you've got one single shop, a post office, and a church to your name—and actually living in a sprawling city that covers hundreds of square miles. It's just not the same thing.

Before we go throwing questions around, maybe we should actually do a little reading first? Just to see if we can find the answer ourselves without bothering anyone.🤔

It’s not even about whether people should have the freedom to go wherever they want and spread whatever they’re carrying. That's not the point.
Read with some actual comprehension.

When I said "read carefully," I wasn't talking about the person I was quoting (Pythonhim)—I was talking to the other person (anđeo tame) that we both replied to.😉

placidnomad87 said:The real issue here is that local municipalities and city governments hand out passes to their own people without a second thought. If you don't have the right connections within the system, you're expected to be perfectly obedient, while everyone else seems to do whatever they want. Honestly, how can we ever implement a strict quarantine when our entire administrative system is such a complete mess? 😂

In a country where bribery and corruption have become the standard operating procedure, how could they possibly manage to organize even an extraordinary situation like this one?

As long as the politicians can just say, "I'm done asking," it doesn't matter—because those rules certainly don't apply to their relatives.

There’s a massive difference between being isolated in a tiny little hamlet like Lower Nigdarjev—where you've got one single shop, a post office, and a church to your name—and actually living in a sprawling city that covers hundreds of square miles. It's just not the same thing.

Before we go throwing questions around, maybe we should actually do a little reading first? Just to see if we can find the answer ourselves without bothering anyone.🤔

It’s not even about whether people should have the freedom to go wherever they want and spread whatever they’re carrying. That's not the point.
Read with some actual comprehension.

dustymarlin10 said:And who says I'm not growing food?
I grow stuff right here in the city too.
Just for the record, though, it's March, so it's not like the garden is exactly overflowing right now...

Oh, please. We had snow everywhere until this morning. 😉

Goodness, some people really can say some pretty ridiculous things.

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If I lived in any major city, I wouldn't even be bothering to post on this thread.🤦

I don't know if I've already made this clear—I'm pretty sure I have—but let me say it one more time: I don't care about being bored. It’s not a problem for me that I can't hang out with anyone... I don't mind missing out on coffee dates or trips to the hair salon. Honestly, I could sit at home for another month if that's what it takes.

But I do want the ability to at least pop into the nearby grocery store to grab some bread every other day, and I need to be able to hit up a larger supermarket once a week to stock up on essentials—you know, things like fresh fruit, veggies, and meat at the kind of places I've always shopped, all at normal, reasonable prices.

For crying out loud—is that really so hard to wrap your head around?!

And while we're talking about money:
Everything at the local corner store is marked up by 30-50%.
So, how long am I expected to keep shopping like this? Two weeks? Two months?

And nobody seems to see the issue here? 🤦

Jack Cook7 said:Where is the actual DECISION that mentions a fine of $10?

If there isn't an official document, then we're looking at straight-up disinformation. That's actually illegal.

Does that decision even exist? If not, is Ladislav Bace, the Chief of the Osijek Police Department, going to be held criminally liable for spreading fake news and causing public panic?

I haven't been able to track down this decision myself.
🤷

Yet, the media outlets are all over it, reporting it as fact...

That’s why I was asking (over in that other thread ) — when are we actually going to start seeing people held accountable for spreading misinformation?

Rebecca Peterson94 said:I just did a quick Google search, and honestly, nobody else is saying this except for that one Chief.

But the news outlets are already running with it...

Even 24sata picked up this story today about the $30 fine $0.00 if you don't have a pass.

As for those breaking the self-isolation rules—it's $8 $0.00 (for the first offense).

🤦

Jack Cook7 said:So, members of the Democratic Party can just go wherever they want?

Man, what was I even saying two days ago?

I’d say yeah... I was on the phone yesterday with someone who is "similar" to them, and I pretty much came to the same conclusion myself. Okay, they didn't explicitly admit it to me, but I know how to read—or rather, listen—between the lines.🤔
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Besides that, talking to folks in other towns, I’ve found out that in situations just like mine, people there actually manage to get their permits.

And we see it happening further north, too. A guy was actually able to get a permit just to go check on his property in another city.

But I'll say it again—for some reason, I just can't get mine!