Posts by Joseph Taylor11

Jerry Robinson56 said:You seem to have overlooked the word "isolation." I suspect you didn't quite grasp the implication.

That decision rests with the local county administration, and we all know the reputation of the folks in Virovitina; they are a total nightmare crew.

Seriously? 🙄

There’s really no need to harp on the "isolation" aspect here—that’s basically the whole point of this conversation. If you're under a stay-at-home order, you're isolated in your town by default.

I was talking about "hotspots" at the county level—like when an entire county only has three cases. 🤦
Calling that a hotspot... ☕

vividranger8 said:Wait, since when?! As far as I know, the whole deal was just about staying put at home... or maybe I totally missed something? I guess I might be out of the loop here!

I mean... is there even a way to head to another town or city without technically "leaving" where you live?
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Am I totally out of the loop on this one? 😁

Jerry Robinson56 said:Review:

You simply refuse to grasp that the sheer number or intensity of the hotspots is irrelevant; what matters is nothing more than the isolation of those locations. Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if your entire profession consists of selling smoke and mirrors.

Where exactly is the epicenter?🤦

I can't help but wonder what exactly is going on in those pockets of Virovitina-Podravina or Požega-Slavonia. I mean, we’ve been sitting here for a month and a half since that first case popped up, and they're still seeing three or four infections pop up. It makes you think.
So, here it is—they've officially banned travel between municipalities in those counties just to try and quarantine this massive outbreak. Only three cases... in the entire county.!! 🤦

Grace Jones86 said:Sure, "except" for that ring surrounding Washington, D.C.,62 miles where a massive number of people live, gravitating toward the capital or living right in Washington, D.C., commuting from the outskirts. ☕

That’s the group whose lives are currently paralyzed. Just wonderful.
There's a reason they call it a lock down. 😁

Of course, it's exactly the same situation with the areas surrounding Seattle, Indianapolis, and Miami...

True... but we have 50 states... and Washington, D.C.... everyone near Seattle... Indianapolis... Miami... they could all theoretically head into those cities since they're in the same area... 😉)
The only real headache is for Washington, D.C.—but you can get an e-portal permit for work anyway... and everything else isn't something you can't figure out in the short term...

Just so we're clear—I'm generally against these kinds of movement restrictions... but I really think they need to allow people to travel at least within their own counties...🤷

Grace Jones86 said:Screw the counties.

If they don't open up normal access to Washington, D.C., they haven't achieved anything.
We are talking about damn Washington, D.C.

If they think they can lock down Washington, D.C. for half a year, a year, or five years (🙄), then forget the epidemic and everything else.

At what point would they actually restore normal traffic flow, especially since they even mentioned public transit as something that needs to be brought back?!
Never?

And public transit isn't going to run based on permits? Are they insane? 🐔

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Even in the long term—and a few months is already a long time—repressively restricting people's lives to their specific municipalities or counties is inconceivably perverse and aggressive.
I sincerely hope they realize exactly what they're doing.

We all agreed to this regime because they promised TEMPORARY AND SHORT-TERM brutal restrictions. I agreed to that because I am rational and I understand what epidemiological containment looks like.
They need to be held strictly to their word instead of us acting like sheep.

Haha... I mean, technically they could...🤣 but then again, they’d have to find some way to justify all that money being poured into this whole e-portal system...🤦

Yeah... I get where you're coming from... but honestly, for most people, just being able to move around within the county would solve 90% of their issues... since basically everyone's daily routine (commuting to work, doctor appointments... tending to the farm or checking on the vacation house... 🤣) happens right here in their own neck of the woods anyway...
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Grace Jones86 said:Yes, and that is entirely possible, unfortunately. ☕

As for traveling between cities within the county—I’m guessing we might see movement by early May at the earliest. That would be about six weeks after the mandate kicks in, which feels like the absolute breaking point for people who are already losing their minds... ☕

I can't quite remember where I posted this originally, so I guess I'll just say it again...
Will counties that have been sitting at zero infections for days on end (say, at least 5 days in a row... or maybe 7...) be allowed to ask for permission to move around freely within their own borders?
I've been looking at places like Virovitina-Podravina and Požega-Slavonia... they haven't seen a single new case in about 10 days...

Or are they just expected to "show solidarity" with everyone else?
Or—like Sean Stewart mentioned—do we now have to justify the whole massive expense of rolling out those e-portals...?🤔

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Rebecca Peterson94 said:That’s my take on it too. When our guys sent over the request three days ago, they were told that if it actually gets approved, it hits the books next week.
My gut tells me it’s already live out in California.

Because if it's already live somewhere else, there's really no reason they shouldn't approve it for everyone else—or at least for the areas where the health situation is looking stable...🤷

Rebecca Peterson94 said:The SD county situation is basically on ice right now because things have gone totally sideways over the last few days—and yeah, it’s obviously their fault.☕

Those idiots running the whole "stay at home" campaign? Honestly, they've done way more damage than any regular person ever could.

I wonder if the national task force has explicitly cleared that reopening yet? Like in, say, California? 🤔 Or maybe Florida?
I know of several other states where things are currently "on hold"... but my guess is they’re just waiting for the Easter holiday to pass. If they opened up too early, there might be way too much travel happening, which, to be fair, I actually get...☕)

The national headquarters still hasn't officially signed off on that whole municipal merger thing...
At least not everywhere yet...
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Jack Cook7 said:Look, you can't just bar your own citizens from entering their own country.

Instead, just toss everyone into a 14-day quarantine and test them every single day. Let 'em come. Then, when they head back, they can deal with another 14 days of isolation in whatever state they're traveling to.

And maybe don't count them in the official stats if they test positive ☕ ... because at this rate of counting, we’ll never actually make it out of quarantine... 😛

Otherwise—they really should be in isolation regardless.
That said, I honestly wonder if people will even be able to return home normally after all that? 🤔

Lisa Chase3 said:Gonna ask carefully here—you being sarcastic or what? 🙂 Honestly, I don't even know anymore. With all this absolute madness going on, I guess nobody even knows what anyone else is thinking.

Spot on. Everything’s just one big consumerist rat race now, like some mindless fever dream where nobody cares about the cost. Now people are finally starting to wonder—since they're panicking over flour, yeast, or rolls of TP, or even hand sanitizer (because apparently everyone just realized they actually need to wash their hands, and now the shelves at CVS are totally empty). I don't have any masks, obviously—couldn't find any, or maybe I just forgot to ask at the Walgreens when I heard they had a shipment (which probably got snatched up instantly anyway). Every time I went looking, it was a no from everyone, so that's why I said they *need* to distribute them to anyone without them! But not these useless little scraps... honestly, those could just be used as rags for my own laundry. We need actual professional-grade masks.

Nah, or maybe just a few people, but honestly? Everyone’s just making up their own rules anyway. Nothing you can even do about it. It’s just whoever's holding all the cards who calls the shots.

If you're asking me—idk, maybe both? I guess we were way too slow with the "emergency measures" (not that anyone actually declared a state of emergency! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think even the President said there was "no need" for an official declaration after the initial scare), like, we should've started around March 1st or 5th at the absolute latest. By the 15th, everyone knew things were getting real globally. If we’d gone full lockdown mode—you know, quarantines, curfews, strictly staying home, hitting people with fines immediately if they were out when they shouldn't be—we might have actually done something. This is just my take, though. I don't really know what the perfect move was from the jump. I mean, we just heard on the news that this thing can kill healthy young people too, and apparently, Boris Johnson is in the ICU, which is wild. Some neighboring countries, especially with politicians acting all nonchalant—looking at you, Italy—totally missed the memo, and by the time they finally snapped out of it and tried to react, it was already too late. And even where they did pull the trigger fast on restrictions, it didn't even stop the spread. Whatever. I don't know enough about this stuff to be sure, but honestly, no matter how you look at it, it's a mess.

I mean, I'd actually prefer some answers to the real questions—like, WHY NOW? Why this year, or late last year? Like, why this specific virus, where did it come from, what's the actual goal, and what kind of mess is being cooked up behind the scenes while the virus just ends up being "collateral damage."

I mean, honestly, the only way to actually handle all this is a total lockdown, I guess.I guess essential services should be the ones grabbing critical cases and hauling food or meds around, but then you hit that wall where maybe they can't even guarantee they won't just spread the virus since they're touching everyone. Like, sure, that kind of setup works for a local outbreak with a short incubation period, but for a global pandemic with a long incubation? Probably not really doable.

Look, we gotta have some kind of budget, I guess. But it should be based on what actually works without causing a total mess. This whole plan feels like a massive fail to me, especially how they're rolling it out—and even those experts over in Poland seem to think it's a joke.

Smart points, I guess, but honestly? Just a ton of questions and guessing, zero actual answers. They should've just gone full lockdown when... I don't even know... maybe? They knew what was coming when it was still just happening "somewhere far away." I guess. Maybe.

I thought we weren't supposed to be moving across borders at all, like, in any direction. But yeah, some people already went and blew their chances by getting hitched, so everything's basically trashed now. Some wanted this, some wanted that... Whatever. I guess we should just try to stay positive, though. Better days will come for whoever actually makes it through. It’s not like losing one damn season matters much if you're fighting for the "greater good," which is really just barely staying alive. ☕

I just hope there aren't more of those "signing off" posts popping up... I saw some recently deep in the forum archives, and honestly, it hit me pretty hard even though I didn't really know the people involved. Just following certain threads, you know?

I mean, sure, because everyone has their "valid reasons," especially the ones who’d jump at the chance to get out if they could. But if you’re stuck in quarantine or isolation trying to enter another state, and everything is locked down or your movement is restricted... it’s not exactly a vacation. Still, for some, just seeing a loved one would mean the world—even for these couples who are only 20 minutes apart in different counties but can't meet up. Some people can handle being alone for ages, others can't, and then relationships just fall apart. Everyone’s wired differently, I guess.

No moving, but maybe a TOTAL shutdown instead.

A bit contradictory, I guess, but hey, we’re all a little messy like that. 🙂

Talking about Americans and this kind of hatred? It’s a given. It’s like saying skin and nails go together.

Nobody here is actually trying to police anything, but we can definitely point out the nonsense in this whole situation. One thing is allowed, another isn't; one person gets a pass, another doesn't (even though they're both just as much of a risk for spreading the virus).

I'm not being sarcastic. 🙂 🙂
If you look back at my previous posts, you'll see where my head is at... but this whole situation with how they're issuing tickets? That takes the absurdity to a whole new level.

Mark Rodriguez11 said:Is anyone actually going to step up and tear down this kind of anti-freedom nonsense once and for all? It’s honestly wild how they’re stripping away basic rights based on nothing but sketchy assumptions. It’s always the same old story: "Someone MIGHT get sick," or "It MIGHT be this," or "It MIGHT be that." So, what's the solution? Just throw people in jail because there's a tiny chance they did something wrong, and if it turns out they didn't, oh well—we'll just call it preventative measures. It’s genuinely terrifying to watch. I really don't get how people aren't seeing this blatant dictatorship and the total disregard for civil liberties, and why nobody is standing up against it. Everyone just sits there, playing the submissive little mouse, following every single command handed down by the top brass and whatever self-appointed experts think they know everything. Honestly, it’s embarrassing to see these kinds of insane ideas being treated as normal.

It's not about what they did, it's about what they *might* do... or even just the possibility that they *could*... 🙄

I was just reading the first part of what @Lisa Chase3 wrote... honestly, she hit the nail right on the head. This is exactly the kind of thing the mainstream media needs to be broadcasting! ☕

Nicholas King said:Police Departments. If we talked about individual precincts in every single city, it would be an absolute circus.

The real point here is the sheer absurdity of granting "restrictions" to more than half a million people.

Hmm... maybe in big cities... but out here, one police station covers several different counties. In other words, the precinct that issued my ID isn't even in my actual town—mostly because my town doesn't even exist on its own.

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Nicholas King said:So, here we go—the Secretary is claiming they’ve already issued nearly half a million passes, and he’s hinting at a massive surge coming soon since companies haven't even started sending in their group requests yet. Apparently, he thinks the whole pass system has been an absolute success and totally justified its existence.

He completely dodged the actual issue regarding restricting movement to specific police jurisdictions instead of just sticking to municipal boundaries.

Police departments—or just local precincts?

Because if I recall correctly, my suggestion was to limit movement based on individual precincts.

It’s funny seeing journalists just recycling questions straight from the forums... though I guess there's nothing wrong with that. 😉😁

Well... here’s my pitch for a compromise:
The pass doesn't even need to be valid for the entire state.
At least for right now.

Just make it valid for the specific jurisdiction of the police station that issued it to you. In my experience, that would basically mean staying within the old municipal boundaries. Usually, that just means moving around within a radius of maybe 15 or 20 square miles.

Fewer passes means fewer unnecessary headaches and absurdities.

One step at a time... let's see if we can get this under control first.

Jessica Booth48 said:The Istria regional headquarters is pushing to scrap travel passes for former municipalities.
http://

Now, what was it that I was looking for about a week ago... or maybe even longer?🤔

Aha... right. This too.

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quietviper22 said:Look, you can definitely go there. It's perfectly legal to work land in a different township. If those local bureaucrats are giving you a hard time just to stay in power, stop playing nice and file a complaint with the higher authorities.

Who? The water department?
I’ve already tried that—and so far, it’s been a total bust.

dustymarlin10 said:It’s honestly pathetic how far we've fallen.

I actually have to beg some trashy app—which, by the way, still doesn't even work—for PERMISSION just to go to work and earn enough money to afford the privilege of paying taxes so this bureaucrat can stroke his ego:

Pathetic.

George Orwell looks like a softie compared to this mess.

550 towns and municipalities! There's our problem right there. Once this is over, we need to urgently push for merging these local governments—because with these new permits, you can really see how absurd their existence is.
A municipality that consists of a single church, a school, a post office, and a corner store. Truly invaluable!
That's where the savings are! Cutting the salaries of THOSE bureaucrats... (and I don't mean doctors, cops, or teachers...)

nimbleharbor10 said:USA Today is reporting on some serious inconsistencies being pointed out by members of Congress: "CONGRESSIONAL REPRESENTATIVES HIGHLIGHT ILLOGICALITY There is absolutely no sense in restricting movement in small towns with only 80 residents, while in a massive metro area like Washington, D.C. with 800,000 people, you can just move about normally "

Down in Miami, the police are picking up people just for walking around; some individuals are being reckless and excessive, which spreads the disease, but even so, these movement restrictions feel imprecise and far too restrictive. What else should we expect when you implement such extreme measures? People simply won't respect them.

Excerpt:

- To actually serve the public, the order restricting travel from one's residence should have been drafted better. They should define residential areas based on former county lines rather than current ones. This means places like Miami, Kaštela, and Solin—including Podstrana—should be treated as one single unit. Similarly, Brač should be its own entity, followed by Trogir, Marina, Okrug, and Seget, then the Makarska Riviera...

There's no logic in trapping folks in villages of 80 people while everyone in Washington, D.C. can zip around freely. I believe this decision needs to be fixed and adjusted to reflect how people actually live.

This is something the Government, if not Congress, should handle, not FEMA. We're talking about limiting a constitutional right to freedom of movement. While such a measure might be justified, it has to follow proper procedure, and the decision could have gone into effect immediately.

The bolded part: Someone basically wrote out, almost word-for-word, what I’ve been sending in my emails (to a few specific addresses...).

I'm glad if this helps clear up these ridiculous inconsistencies—but you don't have to come over and sing on my balcony about it... 😛☕