Posts by Joseph Taylor11

Rebecca Peterson94 said:Yeah, I thought you meant the County, my bad—totally misunderstood what you were saying there, sorry about that. Honestly, I don't think there's anything coming out of Town Hall.

Right. I'm hunting for an email address for the County Emergency Management—but all they have listed is the one for issuing permits.
In the meantime, I've sent an email over to the local news outlets.

Rebecca Peterson94 said:I mean, it’s probably the National Command Center calling the shots on this stuff, but hey, there's no harm in reaching out. Maybe if enough people start barking, they'll actually do something. 🙂

Maybe check with County Emergency Management?🤔

Because I can see that from your post, too:
c/p
Yesterday, the County Emergency Management recommended that the National Command Center merge San Diego, San Jose, and Santa Clarita into one single zone where people wouldn't need a permit to move around.

I reached out to the headquarters in this municipality—the one we all used to call home—and they got back to me pretty quickly. But honestly? They didn't offer a single concrete solution. It was just that classic runaround: "You really need to take this up with our local Town Hall."
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So, I just sent off another email to the Town Hall Civil Defense—the same one that used to feel like home to all of us.
I also included links to those cases I mentioned earlier, where certain County Emergency Management teams are basically merging different municipalities into one giant blob.

This time, I made sure to mention that—while I’m definitely hoping for a reply—it won't really matter if they choose to ignore me. They'll certainly get my "response" at the ballot box during the next election, though.
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James Reyes said:It’s posted on the official websites for every single municipality. I assume the mayors met up with someone from the Police Department, Civil Defense, and Central Command...
It makes sense, really. It's easy enough to shut down the Riviera (we have plenty of backroads to use) and they all fall under the same Police Department anyway. Plus, Beach City is basically the hub for everything; most of the other towns don't even have a bank.

Nothing is posted on our local sites.
Look, I live in the middle of nowhere. Literally.
We also fall under one police department, and no, it isn't located in my municipality.
It used to be just one municipality, but now it feels like they've split us into five different ones.
And the specific answer I got from my own local government was exactly what I wrote above. No exceptions.
There's no bank in our town either. Not even an ATM.

I sent an inquiry to stozercz@mup.hr
And all I got was this automated reply:

Civil Defense Headquarters

Dear Citizen,

We advise you to regularly monitor the official website of the Directorate of Civil Defense,

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as well as the regular press conferences held by the CZRH Command Center every day at 9:00 AM and 4:00 PM.

Additionally, please review the latest briefing from the Civil Defense Headquarters of the Republic of America for all necessary information regarding the new coronavirus.

Respectfully,

Civil Defense Headquarters of the Republic of America

Which doesn't actually answer a single thing I asked.

James Reyes said:As of today, the Riviera (comprising 6 municipalities) is being treated as one single zone under this measure. This means you can move freely between Beach City and City without any issues.

Where did that come from? Who actually makes these calls?
Because under these rules, you aren't allowed to drive into the main city in a neighboring municipality—even if it's only 1.2 miles away... yet somehow, you're fine to head to the municipal center, which is 3.7 miles away.

Who am I supposed to call about this? The Civil Defense Headquarters of the Republic of America?

I just got some news from the Town Hall.
Basically, you can only move around within your own municipality unless you have a permit.

Dana Robinson4 said:If my understanding serves me correctly, the local authorities here have decided to revive those old, sprawling municipal districts from the previous era, which means they’re essentially just moving the goalposts from one town to the next...

Can someone please explain this mess?
I tried calling my local Town Hall today—of course, nobody picked up the phone (the one they proudly listed right on their website).

I sent them an email with a few questions (one specifically about the stuff mentioned above: what does "from place to place," or rather, "from municipality to municipality" actually mean? My official residence is in one municipality—but that's twice as far away as the one I actually go to, which is where my doctor is, for that matter!!)

Now I’m left wondering if I’ll even get a response at all (even though their contact form claimed they'd reply in the absolute worst-case scenario).

Anyway, one thing is certain: they'll definitely be getting their answer from me. At the next election.

(I'm a bit annoyed I forgot to include that in my P.S....😁)
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Keith Cox6 said:What are the odds of something like that happening again? I mean, some people lose their roofs in ten seconds—God forbid anything worse happens than a leaky toilet. 🙂

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I was just giving you guys some pretty obvious examples.

But if we’re really going to talk about probability theory:
1. What were the odds that Washington, D.C. would get hit by its biggest earthquake in 140 years at the exact same time a global pandemic hits?
2. Or what were the odds that I'd end up in the hospital unexpectedly right when my toilet decided to stage a total walkout?

About the same as someone (or something) smashing my apartment window tomorrow or in five days.
(Actually, that one feels more likely since it's just a single event—some expert could probably explain why, but I'm definitely not a math whiz...)
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Either way, I won't actually see the bill for that damage for another month. In the meantime, there's going to be even more mess and much harder problems to deal with than just replacing a pane of glass.

Look, I really don't want to sound like I'm trivializing things—but there are some situations you just can't fix simply by making a decree. You just can't. Period.

Keith Cox6 said:What are the odds of something like that happening again? I mean, some people lose their roofs in ten seconds—God forbid anything worse happens than a leaky toilet. 🙂

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This is just an illustration.
Honestly, it doesn't even matter... I know where I stand on this.

Jose Scott3 said:Where'd you get that from? You can totally get away with it if you're all in the same spot or nearby, and as long as there's fewer than five of you... provided nobody's stuck in quarantine...

I hope you realize what a total load of crap you just spewed. That hospital connection is a joke... if things were actually serious, they'd know that "two confirmed cases" is basically nothing on paper. It means there are at least five times more people actually sick in that environment—maybe even ten times more if you count the ones showing zero symptoms. Unless your city is some medieval fortress that literally locked down every single gate the second the infection showed up... 🤦

But how far counts as "within" or "close"?
Is that actually written down anywhere?

Honestly—does the distance even matter? If a person goes alone and they'll be by themselves anyway...?

(Just thinking out loud here—given my own situation....)

Keith Cox6 said:Hey Joseph Taylor11, listen—I have a downtown apartment where an entire wall from the building next door basically collapsed onto it. I only went over there to shut off the water and gas, and honestly, I couldn't even leave a key for the neighbors because their places were trashed way worse than mine, so they probably had to evacuate anyway. I only got lucky because of a recent full renovation (even the roof was done) and a bit of pure luck. Also, I work in healthcare, so while I'm not legally restricted from moving around, I'm staying put specifically so I don't catch whatever is going around and end up unable to show up for work.
If something goes wrong with the utilities in your place, the building manager will likely give you a heads-up after they've already shut off the main valves before you even arrive. In that case, the damage should be minimal, so those weekly trips of yours seem totally unnecessary to me. This is about priorities; I get that we all think we're the center of the universe, but imagine how much chaos would happen if everyone like us—people just wanting to "check in"—started driving around. It would be total mayhem.
Hang in there, it'll all work out.

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Oh, I get what you're getting at... I know there's maybe a 1% chance of everything I listed actually happening... but there's this whole other string of "little things" that matter just as much to me...

Take this, for example: I once had an emergency where I ended up stuck in the hospital for ten days, leaving the apartment completely empty. While I was gone, I got hit with a massive bill $167 for water because a toilet was constantly running (usually my bill is only about $5, since I'm hardly ever home...)

But, uh... whatever. It's beside the point now. To me, this whole situation is insane, and I'm not backing down on it.

Jonathan Smith12 said:But honestly, let it happen! If the virus isn't spreading because of it, then I suppose that’s the whole point, right? ☕☕☕☕

Anyway, I realize I'm drifting quite far off the main topic here, but I truly feel that anyone with even a shred of common sense has already grasped the situation, and frankly, those who haven't probably never will.

But what exactly isn't it going to do?

It’s not like it’s skipping from Person A to Person C while bypassing Person B.
The catch is, Person A and B are in the same city, while C is somewhere else entirely.

NO shit, Sherlock.

Keith Cox6 said:It makes sense, really—we wait until the curve starts dropping. But right now? We've basically handed the virus a head start for exponential growth. If we hadn't been so reckless earlier, maybe we'd already be seeing things trend downward.
So, bottom line: the more we stay hunkered down at home and stop this spread in its tracks, the faster we get out of this whole—forgive my language—mess.

To my colleague over in the Midwest, I can only say this: just because they don't have cases on paper doesn't mean there aren't infections out there (as much as I wish that were true). And since the virus can hang around surfaces for—they're saying up to—11 days now, you don't even need to be near people anymore; you just have to be near where they've been.

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I hear you.
But what about someone like me who maintains a residence and an apartment in a different city? I live alone in that apartment, and I drive there by myself.
(And I'm not talking about going every single day—just once a week!!—say, to check if a pipe burst... or there's a gas leak... you get the idea)
Who and how am I EXACTLY putting anyone at risk?

Please spare me the whole "oh, you'll just pop in for milk and bread... or the pharmacy... or to see a neighbor..." routine.
No, I'm not stopping by a neighbor's house because I don't even know them (the people at my primary residence are the ones I actually socialize with)—and as for milk, bread, or the pharmacy, I'll head out when I actually need something, purely so I don't starve to death.

You can't JUST stop people from socializing simply by banning them from leaving their primary place of residence.

Period.

I hope that makes things a little clearer—and why I'm so annoyed by this decision.

Staying home isn't the issue for me. I'm home, I work from home; as far as I'm concerned, I could live for months without seeing another human being! I'd sign my name to that under oath.
But let me look after my own property (which nobody gave me for free, which I'm still paying a mortgage on, and which I can't just leave unattended for a month... or however long this lasts).

And yeah... NO, I don't have some neighbor I can just hand my keys to so they can check on everything. Even if I did, I wouldn't be crazy enough to give a neighbor my apartment keys indefinitely. Helloooooo!!!!!

Jonathan Smith12 said:Honestly, my grandmother is asking the exact same thing, wondering when we'll finally see the end of this.

You might as well just call up FEMA and ask them directly, because let's be real, they aren't exactly doing much anyway. 🍿

I sent an email to City Hall about the permits.
Do you really think they'll get back to me?
Trying to reach anyone at the County Command Center by phone is basically impossible.

I wasn't even asking when this whole thing ends; I was asking what the actual deadline is for this mandatory stay-at-home order.

Look... sorry, it’s not your fault, but my nerves are shot lately, and having to explain everything over and over again—not just here, but everywhere else too—is just wearing me down.☕

Jonathan Smith12 said:And what about our gentleman farmer? Is he supposed to drive out to a neighbor's place in the rural area to pick up organic fertilizer, or buy seedlings from a local nursery, or maybe even drop off some supplies to his relatives...

Oh, don't make things more complicated than they need to be; honestly, just stay home for a couple of weeks, read your books, eat, drink, enjoy yourself... whenever these ridiculous thoughts start spinning in your head, just remember that there are people on the front lines right now, risking their lives through their selfless work.

... which is definitely not going to happen just by moving around WITHIN your own city....

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nimbleharbor10 said:Exactly. What kind of threat does a man pose just by digging in his own dirt out in a rural area? It is sheer idiocy to prevent him from doing that.
My take is this: someone drafted this in an incredibly poor and imprecise manner. They are banning far too much, and the language is vague and lacks any legitimate justification. You should regulate gatherings, not basic movement.

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mellowseal1 said:So, if they’re actually trying to stop people from heading out to the coast or their vacation homes, I don't get it... because I'm looking out my window right now and cars are flying down the highway. It seems like you can zip anywhere within Washington, D.C., whether it's from Brooklyn over to Suburban Atlanta, or even from a Gladiator up to the Plains... but apparently, if you want to drive from a Rural area into work in a Rural area, you suddenly need a mountain of paperwork?!?

Doesn't that seem a little ridiculous? 🤔

A bit? 😉

If they’re going to restrict movement, they need to be crystal clear about it: why, how, and for how long.

Does anyone actually have an answer to any of those questions?

I'm still sitting here waiting to hear or read exactly how long this measure is supposed to last.

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Jonathan Smith12 said:I mean, you have people out there actually hunting down paperwork to try and claim some plot of land out in the rural area that doesn't even exist, when they could probably be doing something much more productive, like planting potatoes or whatever, or maybe just telling a landlord, "Look, my spouse and I are both working, so could we just get a verification for my aunt who’s coming over to help us watch the kids..."

Honestly, what kind of people are we dealing with? It’s a miracle the government hasn't completely lost its mind yet given this behavior.

And honestly, what's stopping him? If he's living alone and isn't bothering anyone, why not?
At least he'll have something to eat come fall.
Unlike the rest of us who don't own any land.
(Or at least don't have a patch of dirt suitable for growing potatoes).

Jonathan Smith12 said:The issue isn't that the CZ issues those certificates, but rather that they're handled by the local emergency management headquarters that every single town and municipality is required to maintain.🤔

So—is it the FEMA headquarters? Or is it something else entirely?

positivax said:But seriously though...🙄
Why can't they just strictly forbid anyone in isolation from going anywhere at all? ...
I don't get why these thousand people can't be restricted enough so they aren't just wandering around with their families, strolling about, driving across the country from city to city, or hanging out at pharmacies, grocery stores, and gas stations?

Why haven't they been put under a strict quarantine?

Well, they could, obviously...
Like giving them cell phones (or maybe wristbands) for tracking purposes? 🤷

They claim to be monitoring them—but this thing (the ban on leaving your residence) should be, like, easier?🤔

That was actually just a comment from a forum (suggesting it would be easier this way), though I honestly don't see how it makes any sense.