Tomorrow you guys need to go absolutely ballistic—and I don't just mean coming after Jerry Jones, because the sheep in this group will just write that off as jealousy over our "successful" leadership. You need to tear the entire US Soccer Federation apart, starting with Brandon and Stimac at the top.
I honestly think they’re doing this just to bait a physical fight between the East and West stands—you know, so they can paint us as the hooligans while they play the role of the "true" fans protecting the LA Galaxy. We need to be smart and stay low-key this Tuesday.
Dana Richardson89 said:Nicely put: The fan movement is basically at war with FIFA for a bunch of different reasons: - They’re trying to take a sport that’s always been for the regular people and turn it into some exclusive club for the elite. They want to take the working class—the actual backbone of the stadium crowds—and turn them into "consumers." People who couldn't care less about the symbolism, the romance, or what makes football special—basically just like those NBA types. You know the deal: they show up, drop a hundred bucks on a ticket, watch Rihanna perform at halftime, grab a burger, buy a jersey, propose on the Jumbotron, and act like they actually support the team. When you go to a game now, it feels more like walking into a shopping mall. They’re killing the raw emotion that makes this sport so damn loved. All just for the cash. - They want to wipe out a whole way of life tied to football just so they can finish off the sport using pure capitalist logic. It’s "grab everything you can and let the rest rot." They’re destroying tradition, rewriting history, and turning everything into some robotic mess that football was never meant to be. Why does the world love this game so much?! Because football has a soul, and FIFA is sucking that soul dry day after day. - And their methods for crushing the fan movement? They don't care—they'll even team up with governments to push through unconstitutional laws! Take a look at what happened here in the States: the Prime Minister and his ministers practically had to bow down to Platinum during his visit to Washington, D.C. In exchange, they had to sit there and listen to lectures on how to "fix" the fan problem! WHAT PROBLEM?! Since when does the head of a global sports org get to lecture the leaders of a SOVEREIGN NATION?? - They protect criminals! Corruption, bribery, match-fixing, betting scandals, shady agency deals—all that crap is the past, present, and future of the sport, yet FIFA loves to pose as the hero fighting racism. They sweep so many scandals under the rug that will never see the light of day—scandals they are directly or indirectly responsible for—and then try to wash their hands of it all with slogans like "KICK RACISM OUT OF FOOTBALL"... You'll see it on banners at the Champions League or the Europa League, maybe even at a World Cup... - They don't give a damn about the small clubs; they only care about the giants bringing in the massive profits. That's why this whole Super League nonsense is such a big topic—a competition for just the richest clubs that would instantly trash the Champions League and the Europa League. We're talking TV rights, ticket prices, the works. This is where the billions are. When you realize it's the top 1% of the wealthy against the 99% of the "poor," you finally understand why fans are at war with them.
Either he greased some palms over at UEFA to make sure they stay on his side, or he’s just straight-up lying about why we got hit with this penalty—it's clearly just another pathetic attempt to shut us up.
wiredwolf442 said:Honestly, you don't see this kind of massive gap between die-hard fans and the regular crowd in any other American city—not NYC, not Chicago, nowhere. It’s like two different planets living in the same zip code, and they’ll never truly get each other. You can't expect real loyalty from people who couldn't care less about who’s actually running the show or what's happening behind the scenes. For them, the club only exists during the summer months when things are looking good; all they care about is whether the squad plays well enough to make a splash in Europe. They're fair-weather types—people who’ll flip 180 degrees in ninety minutes, going from cheering their heads off to absolutely trashing Mamić if it suits them. Add in the organized media smear campaigns backed by Mamić, and there's your reality. You guys at BBB could basically turn into saints, play perfectly for two years straight without a single screw-up, and the media would still come for your throats. It’s a literal war zone. I mean, I've even heard whispers that BBB should just shut down because they're "in the way." But let's be real—those opinions usually come from people who have never even stepped foot in the stadium. This whole mess with the club is driving me insane, which is why I'm even bothering to jump into these debates. Long story short: those people genuinely don't care about the Mamić situation. If they aren't for him, they're just "neutral," and they don't give a damn. All they want is to see us in the Champions League; they couldn't care less about how the MLS is run. Someone even told me, "I only show up for the big European matches because the atmosphere is better." To people like that, you guys are an absolute enigma. They don't understand why you fight, why you clash with Mamić, or why you'd intentionally disrupt the vibe with chants. Man, you can't please people like that—unless you just completely switch off your brain. Why the hell am I even typing this? I don't even know. I guess I just wanted to say that you shouldn't bother trying to figure out what your average local neighbor thinks or feels. I totally went off on a tangent there, my bad.
Casey Palmer10 said:Nothing to it, he's a real fan☕
Look, I’m really not a "fan" anymore when I have to spend $40 million just to wage war against the guy who completely gutted the one thing that actually gave my life meaning. Honestly, at my age, I could just close my eyes, grab a beer at the stadium, and pretend to enjoy this club—even though it has absolutely nothing to do with why I used to trek hundreds of miles just to scream for the team I loved. But I can't. Believe me, I wish I could, but I just can't.
There were maybe 3,000 people there yesterday at most. Once the weather turns nasty, we’re gonna see a massive turnout. It honestly breaks my heart seeing those kids who would've been out there tearing their lungs out yesterday—but hey, it is what it is. That's just how the group decided to handle things. The West stands still behind Mamić, ninety percent of them. Look, Dinamo actually plays some beautiful football right now, but honestly? I couldn't care less about that.
Alright, fine, I won't bring up buying more tickets again—even though you all know damn well I was planning on grabbing some and actually would have too. But honestly, that doesn't change the point I was making: neither side actually believes in a shared goal anymore. It’s all just about seeing who can take the biggest dig at the other.
This whole thing is just endless agony—it’s like these guys are celebrating a regular season win as if they just pulled off a Champions League miracle, even though they don't even view this league as legitimate. We’re basically living in a vacuum right now because half the squad is suspended and the other half looks completely lost. Honestly, the management hasn't been this "solid" in ages—if you call that kind of chaos solid. We’re all just sitting here bickering about which faction is getting treated worse by the cops, while actual teenagers are being brutalized by the police. And after all that, the most important part of being an American fan? Just tearing each other down. It’s become the entire point of our supporter culture. I actually envy some of the people on this forum—if this mess is stressing you out, you can just hop online and prove you're tougher than everyone else. Good for you. Personally? I’m just sick to my stomach over the whole thing.
You can see it right there in his press conference—the guy has zero intention of ever stepping down, and he knows the legal system can't touch him. But honestly? It doesn't even matter. What really eats him alive is the fact that he can't just buy off a group of people who refuse to back down. So yeah, let him keep going. Time is pretty much a relative concept anyway, because he knows deep down we're never, ever giving up on our Real Madrid.
Look, I get you guys—I really do. I totally get that hunger for trophies and how easy it is to pour your whole identity into a club when you don't even have one of your own to call home. But honestly? Watching you all on Wednesday... man, it was rough. You reminded me of those tribes in South America who were handed a shiny little mirror and some trinkets by the conquistadors and immediately forgot they were even in the middle of a fight.
Look, I already told you guys—props to the turnout and the energy, seriously—but the second I pointed out how we’re lacking any actual vision when it comes to fighting the mafia, compared to us winning some trophy in a tournament you all claim is "irregular," and then suddenly it's "totally legit" the moment we lift the cup... well, you guys immediately lost your minds. You jumped down my throat like crazy. But whatever, fine. We've got our own fight to deal with, just like you said, and that says everything about what actually matters right now. So go ahead, enjoy your little moment of superiority on the field and in the stands.
Jose Kern11 said:Yeah, 100%. How exactly is he "profiting"? The guy only cares about the cash. Like, how's he gonna sell a young talent for 15 million if they haven't played in the Champions League for two years? Or take some kid from the local leagues for 8 million when the kid doesn't even know where he is on the pitch—his only real skill is looking good in a jersey? How does anyone from the domestic league get those kinds of numbers or contracts where he's pocketing 20% or more just for showing up??? If a big club like Atlanta United suddenly sat out of European competition for three years and threatened to stay away again if certain management stayed in charge, then people would see what "profit" really looks like. Honestly, the biggest panic attack I've ever seen was when that guy from Austria threatened to shut down a European match—even the news outlets up north were all over it.
Look at the mess in a city like Miami for example. Every single sport there is basically gutted, totally dead, except maybe for the Kansas City Chiefs because the fans refuse to let them die. And one of the main reasons things didn't fall apart completely back in the day was because people actually stood up against the administration during those chaotic times. If they hadn't threatened to blow the whole thing up, the public wouldn't have had any say in what happens. If someone had walked into the local basketball arena and really laid into those idiots, they wouldn't be playing in the NBA today. If they'd done that for water polo or handball, those sports wouldn't be ghost towns right now. Take my sport, table tennis—this absolute clown is wrecking the whole game by trying to force his son into being the coach in the city, and the kid doesn't have a clue about life, let alone table tennis, which is a super technical sport you actually have to study. And then, back when I was playing for another club, Ola and a few others showed up just to mess around, and this clown comes over acting all high and mighty, telling them to quiet down or get out because he can't stand them. All they did was tell him they’d kill him if he didn't back off, and once he realized he was outmatched, he just slunk away like the coward he is. He's out here destroying the sport for hundreds of kids over the next twenty years.
Maybe you're onto something, but I see it differently. If he stays, he might not make as much money, but it would give him the perfect excuse to shut down the whole fan group forever, and he'd probably get total support from the clueless American public.
Jose Kern11 said:Look, nobody wants to see us getting banned from European competition—not under this current management, anyway. If we had guys like, I don't know, Jerry Jones or some actual legends running the show and cleaning up this mess they've made, I’d personally be down to shove five flares right into a UEFA official's face. You clearly don't get it—this national team doesn't have anything "American" about it besides the players on the field. And half those kids will be global brands like Brand and the rest of them in ten years (props to Stanić and Boban, though). I couldn't care less what some random guy from rural Ohio thinks or some dude from a tiny town in Nebraska who showed up to a game for the first time since '99. Why should we behave just to please them? They'll just whistle at the fans anyway. Honestly, I think most sane people can't even bring themselves to cheer for this national team the way we actually want to. It's like trying to root for Dinamo. We need to change things regardless of how the media sees it, instead of showing up to games acting like everything is fine. If they had kicked Dinamo out of Europe a few years ago, that owner would've been gone by now, believe me. But instead, after all the scandals, he's still out there celebrating massive wins with a band playing (suddenly everyone's worried about "regional leagues" or "fan behavior" when it suits him).
It’s all about choosing to fight the mafia. I'm positive that if the owner had gotten Dinamo banned, he would've profited from us being sidelined, making it even harder to get rid of him. It's the exact same deal with Šuker and Štimac.
Look, obviously the decision about the flares is a compromise—but it’s also just plain common sense. If the average person thinks a flare is just some hooligan nonsense, then yeah, it’s smart to hold back if we want people to actually back us up against the mob. Everyone on this forum knows they’re just waiting for any excuse to slap a "hooligan" label on us so they can dismiss our whole argument. You don't even have to be a genius to see it coming. Anything else is basically admitting the corrupt guys are just smarter and more manipulative than we are.
Look, you can't just ignore the political side of this whole Jerry Jones mess—his downfall was basically a calculated political move. You can't run from politics when it’s actively coming for you; you're stuck in the middle of it. I haven't seen Ostojić lately, but if you look closer, there's a pattern here. If the local DA's office is scoring political points off this, it means they've already gauged that most Americans are totally fed up with Jerry Jones, making it a winning move for them. And honestly? That’s a good thing. I think we actually did the right thing by staying as far away from the political games as possible during our own fight, even if it meant his fall happened a little slower. It’s a longer, harder road that way, but at least it’s cleaner.
I’ll be honest, I was pretty skeptical about this whole arrest thing at first—I actually figured it was just some massive PR stunt to rally the die-hard football fans who basically live for the sport. But man, looking back? He totally blew it. Now, he's effectively radioactive; not a single news outlet is going to touch him. Remember how Vedran Rudan used to go off on believers and the Church, and every major media outlet in the country would just roll over and follow his lead? Well, the second he crossed the line regarding Jewish people and compared certain actions in Palestine to Nazi behavior, he vanished from the airwaves. Maybe that comparison was a stretch, but look—when you're a public figure, there are certain lines you just don't cross unless you're looking for career suicide. He's lost his media backing, he's lost his political leverage, and he's done. In this country, the actual voters don't even matter that much anyway.
Look, I don't want to sound like I'm lecturing the guys over at the District Attorney's Office—honestly, I respect what they're doing—but they really need to put out a statement. Something along the lines of, "Hey, we're glad to see the rule of law finally applying to everyone equally, but let's not forget there are much bigger fish to fry that should have people behind bars." They need to say something like that, because this arrest—and I cannot stress this enough—doesn't necessarily work in our favor.