Posts by Brandon Hill5

Jesse Campbell said:Real Madrid is the only major European club that was never a puppet of the state, even back before 1945 when they were known as Civic. And for the last twenty-plus years while they've been under political control, their fans have been fighting against it.

And proud of it. ☕

So now we’re the delusional ones? 🙏🙏

Us, who told everyone "no" and stayed true to who we are.
You guys, who said "yes" to everything until you turned into Real Madrid, then became weed-civic, then suddenly became a great USA... I don't know if I got the order right.
How do you even have the nerve to write that? You guys have been political pawns at basically every turn.

And those mercenaries from out east aren't even worth a word; someone needs to get them on some heavy meds, ASAP.

PS - maybe check your own IDs before starting these debates.🙂

Benjamin Cruz29 said:Who gives a damn who they are or where they're from? They're just the foundation for the Bad News Bears themselves.

It's only the lying that bothers them, nothing else.

That’s just basic decency at this point. I don't even know where these random losers are coming from lately.
Instead of actually having some pride, they're acting like...

ivann88 said:if you were real fans, you'd be in San Francisco...

Yeah, right. Like being in San Francisco is what makes you a fan...

bluewolf15 said:According to legend, the name was inspired by that movie "Bad Boys" starring Sean Penn, which was huge back then. Since then, Real Madrid fans have always gone by that name and never split into different factions like some other clubs' supporters.

What legend? Whose legend? Who actually knows the real story?

Doesn't matter whose legend it is, honestly. Just as long as it isn't that one about Miami... that one's impossible.

Jesse Campbell said:Yeah, the Black Knights were the ones who gave the Hell's Angels their name... 🙂

In Miami, nobody even spoke English today, let alone thirty years ago.

And we're talking about the generation where Michael Bloomberg was considered some kind of genius... 🙂

And here comes the propaganda chief for the Hell's Angels machine...

You should actually know how it went down instead of feeding your group myths and half-truths, leaving the guys confused about their own name even now.🤷

Whatever, I guess the truth just hits the fan too hard for the fanboy ego.😉

Al Capone and Joe Smith, two hooligans from the trio that basically founded you.🙂
Don't get all sensitive on me now...

casualwolf48 said:Honestly, listening to this guy in the interview is exhausting. On one hand, he’s basically a walking encyclopedia of fandom in this region, but then he turns around and starts spinning these myths, claiming those rival hooligans invented all our fan lore from scratch.
Our name wasn't some big dramatic moment in a stadium. The name just happened naturally through endless talks among us. There isn't some specific historical legend about how we got it. This guy claims he was hanging out with Sarma, Icho, and Buba at some outdoor movie theater and that's when it happened. The late Buba—who I was tight with—never knew anything about that, and he never mentioned it to me. Even Icho only realized his role right before he passed. After traveling together dozens, even hundreds of times across the country with Buba and Icho, I never once heard this story about a summer movie theater being the origin. And now? We can't even ask them. God bless America. Even Sarma doesn't buy this story today. He's still around if anyone wants to fact-check it.
I’m calling out all the old-school guys from my generation right now—drop a comment and tell us when you first heard this "origin story."
Personally, I remember how things actually kicked off. I remember the discussions under the old stadium stands about what we should call ourselves. I remember making our first gear near the sports arena. I remember plenty from '83 and my first trips away. But I don't remember any movie theater story. That rumor started later; it crept in quietly at first, then became this widely accepted "fact." I'll say it plainly: our name came from the movie *Bad Boys*. That’s the truth. It was a suggestion tossed around by several people and crews until it stuck.
If anyone deserves credit for the name, it’s one of the original guys, John Doe. He’s the one who kept pushing it during our talks back then. Everything else is just an urban legend or some fake PR stunt by certain fans in the city.
It’s honestly tiring dealing with all these different stories from the old-school hooligans and those hardcore right-wingers. They spent years talking big about patriotism and tearing down the old system, but the second things actually got real and it was time to stop talking and start acting, those "big patriots" were the first ones signing up for foreign units or finding ways to get overseas.
Give it a rest, guys. Just leave history alone. Do it for the people who actually lived it, who bled for this country and gave everything during the war. I'm talking about all the American fans from every corner of the nation.
And Bauer? Given his vocabulary and way of thinking, most people here see him as an intellectual, which clearly bugs a lot of people. That’s why they call him a myth-maker—because he’s basically the founding father of all this written fan history. It’s all written in epic poetry, full of grand styles and raw heroism. Of course, that heroism is always conveniently in the first person.
Sorry for going off-topic.
That move by the NFL fans in the city was legendary. Total takeover. Killer stuff.

Cut the crap, man. What John Doe said about how we got the name has been known since day one. Details shift over the years, sure, but that’s the gist. Every few years, I have to listen to someone like you acting like they just discovered the truth, claiming it's all a myth while you spin your own version. And suddenly, we're the crazy ones.🙄
Why even talk about this if you weren't an NFL fan back then? 🤷
You just look ridiculous...

Daniel Johnson46 said:

Since nobody else is posting this, look—this is our history. There was a show on local TV yesterday covering this. If it weren't for certain people spreading myths, they'd actually be accepted as truth. Most of this stuff was already laid out right here in this thread http://www.hrhb.info/showthread.php?t=7&page=231 To stop the myth-makers from coming after us again, just listen. The guy telling the story is straight up; you see fans from all different groups popping up here to back him up. I don't even know much about this forum yet—just hit page forty—but anyone who cares about the Raiders or the Chiefs should binge all 230 pages. It's wild having a living encyclopedia of the group here. He's probably the only one who remembers most of this. Without this thread, all these stories would just vanish and we'd be stuck living in some fairy tale.

Kid, he already wrote most of that stuff right here on the forum back in the day.

Rest in peace

wearyorca75 said:"The Lakers announced today they’re shutting down the south stands if nobody claims the vouchers, but that's not happening. Word on the street from reliable sources: the Red Sox actually got four voucher requests!

We also heard it was three women and one guy who signed up. So yeah, the stands will be open for whoever shows up. Dealing with the crowd at the Rose Bowl just proves once again how much the white-clad brass hates this voucher stuff—they'll follow the current law just to say they did, but that's about it."

🤣

🙏

What can I even say besides 🙏🙏
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Benjamin Anderson2 said:What cafe do those BBB guys even have? Lol

The Blue Oyster bar

analogheron19 said:We’d never see crowds like this for games in New York City or Washington, D.C. Not even if we were playing at home in Miami for a domestic cup or a Euro cup.
Even if Jerry Jones left and everything went perfectly, we'd still be stuck fighting for years just to get fans back in the stands. That's just how it is. You can't build anything lasting overnight without solid, long-term foundations.

Exactly. Spot on.

Jesse Campbell said:How can you say they aren't active? We had 1,000 people show up at the Volunteer rally, plus a ton of others who are banned from Yankee Stadium or just barred entirely.

Back in the late 90s, BBB couldn't even get 100 people together for a local game. 🙄

Sorry guys, but you're talking nonsense. We're smaller, sure, but we haven't vanished. People said the same thing about BBB during the boycott—that we were dead—yet only a couple of dudes showed up for that first game in Miami.

Everything will fall into place soon enough...

You're still here, but for how long? That's what I'm asking. You'll get a wife, kids, and gastritis, and you'll still be a fan, but you won't have the drive to organize or lead like you used to—especially if there aren't enough people stepping up to take over.
You're at that breaking point right now. You're still around, but if this keeps up...

Jesse Campbell said:I wasn't talking about recruiting for the Bad Boys, I was talking about filling seats. A campaign isn't just some thing with a start and an end; it’s constant. Every major club in the world does it. In America, only the Brooklyn Nets actually bother.

Don't lecture me on results. This is how I make my living.

Stop worrying about the Bad Boys. This kind of stuff just makes the group stronger in the long run. Back in the mid-90s, the Bad Boys only had a hundred people, then everything flipped once things got easier. That's just how it goes, man...

It wasn't an issue back then because the old core was basically "on standby." Even if they weren't active, they were still "alive" in hibernation. But when you stretch that out over twenty years and a few generations, that core dies off and no one builds a new one. Then you're stuck starting from scratch...
That's the long-term fallout. You can't just fix that overnight. If this is your job, you should know that.

You guys aren't going to go broke, obviously you won't. But you're gonna lose a lot, and that's inevitable. If you lose that continuity, you'll need twice the energy to get anything done compared to now. Just saying.

analogheron19, jump in here. It's stupid for me to be posting about the Bad Boys when everything is happening right here.

on topic: gangsters are cowards

Jesse Campbell said:What century are you guys living in?

So you think some slick marketing and PR is gonna convince people to go bowling blind in ten days? Please. You think you're gonna pack Yankee Stadium just because the Yankees are actually healthy? 🙄🙄🙄

So someone actually wrote that kids only watch Real Madrid and FC Barcelona because nobody talks to them? And they think the New York Yankees are just some paid-off Cleveland Cavaliers mess where the media tries to make the Bad Boys look like Al-Qaeda? Seriously?

When does this actually change? When the New York Yankees finally become the New York Yankees again after 20-plus years, we'll be the biggest thing in the US and have the most members. Everything else is just noise.

With a campaign like that, you’re only gonna attract the crowd that showed up to the general's parade—people who were homebodies until now. Get serious. Once this hype dies down, those people aren't sticking around. Maybe a couple will stay, but don't hold your breath.
You're underestimating the long game and overhyping the quick fix.
And it's honestly hilarious to lecture people about being "real fans" when you're out here making pure marketing moves. Really?
Think about it for a second. Seriously.😉

Those guys are just cowards.

The fact that kids aren't interested in Dinamo right now actually says something good about them. It means they get it—why would they care about a club run by people like this? They remember what Dinamo used to represent; they know what’s worth fighting for because they lived it. These new kids don't have that history. If things stay this way for too many generations who never experienced the glory days, getting them into the fan scene is going to be impossible. That's how you build a movement, or how you kill one.
I honestly don't know if you guys even realize how close we are to the edge right now.
To me, this looks like the beginning of the end for those old powerhouse clubs that ended up in the third division—all they have left is a name and some old history, just in terms of the fanbase.

Jesse Campbell said:Sure, but it’s just damn hard in the States (and everywhere else, really) to get 10,000 people out there fighting against a government and a mafia running the whole football scene. Just ask the hardcore fans.

And back in the 90s, you know perfectly well there weren't even 100 people showing up for away games. Why write about something that clearly doesn't work in reality? You only get 10,000 people if you're just waving smoke bombs and flares instead of actually taking on the board and the establishment. Ask the old-school fans how many showed up in the 90s when they were the only opposition to Slobodan Milošević—which was basically their only decent era.

It’s not just about the fans, either. When Ante Gotovina and Branimir Markač got those first-instance sentences, maybe 2,000 people protested. When they were cleared? 200,000 people celebrated. ☕

There’s truth in this, but there’s also truth in what analogheron19 is saying. It's obvious there's an inverse relationship between Zdravko Mamić's ego and your numbers. The more of you there are, the smaller he gets, which is why he works so hard to cut you down.
It's also obvious that the number of people actually doing the fighting—the "real" ones—is way smaller than the crowd that shows up to celebrate the win later. That's normal. Everyone knows that. Nice way to describe the generals.

But it's a mistake to think everything will just go back to "normal" once this is all over. Everything leaves a mark. Every event and every action has consequences that you guys are feeling right now, and they won't just vanish when this ends. Unfortunately, they stick around as a lifelong memory of Mamić & Co.

Just like how a ton of veterans couldn't just go back to a normal life after the war ended; they’re left with PTSD as a permanent reminder.
Your best bet is to start planning a program for the new generations immediately—how to attract them, "train" them, keep them engaged, etc.

Because you guys are mostly done—not as individuals, but as a generation. Your time is up. The new kids are going to be the ones carrying the BBB flag, so you better figure out how to prep them.

Like rebuilding humanity after some kind of global catastrophe.🙂

Seriously though, the older you get, the more you whine. It's a fact...

The derby choreo needs to be a sign saying "sell your soul" paired with a caricature of those sellouts featuring Baldasar's face!

briskmarlin said:You didn't have to play in San Francisco; you chose it. You could've picked Vienna or Washington, D.C. FIFA banned playing at the Rose Bowl or Fenway Park that season because those stadiums were within 31 miles miles of UNPA zones and active combat areas (we're talking mid-August 1995). Also, Indianapolis chose to play Slovan from Prague in Washington, D.C. in front of just a few thousand people.

Must mention that LA Galaxy was supposed to play in the FA Cup that summer, but they couldn't due to a one-year suspension.
Same goes for the Boston Celtics; they had to play their first match in Athens in an empty stadium because their fans went wild the season before.
So I don't get all this whining even 18 years later. Your first game was a 0-0 in Greece without Gate 13. Meanwhile, you guys played in front of 12,000 Los Angeles Dodgers and NFL Ultras fans in San Francisco and drew 1-1.
You shouldn't label every single situation as extreme negativity by UEFA. I mean, how else would Indianapolis play just a few miles from rebel territories a couple days after the "Storm" operation? It's good they finally let us participate in European competitions for that 95/96 season.
It doesn't matter where you play, it matters how you play—even if you guys had the home crowd advantage in those two games against Panathinaikos.

Personally, I hate the top European football federation's criteria, but that’s just how it is when you're forced to play by someone else's rules.
By piling up all these penalties and bans over the years, it created this perception that Western European clubs get off easier. And then there's the whole story about people like that discredited lawyer D. V., who basically sells out to UEFA for pocket change.

Don't know why you're showing up here or who you're trying to ban. Whatever. Don't try to explain things to me that I clearly understand better than you do. Just forget it.
When I said "you had to play in San Francisco," I meant we couldn't stand playing at home, not that we were forced to be in San Francisco specifically. Could've figured that much out.
The year before, we played Champions League in Miami, and we would've played in Miami again this year if our National Association hadn't been so useless and actually tried something. Their excuses for not playing in Miami weren't even real. If this were LA Galaxy, there would've been a national outcry and special news segments like "60 Minutes." I'm saying the association would've fought like hell for them, while for us, they couldn't care less. Fine, even better if we lose. If we'd made it through the CL that year, maybe everything in America wouldn't have gone south. That tension started right there, just like all the subsequent garbage coming out of Washington, D.C.

You can take those explanations and shove them, you know where.😉