Rachel Jones8 said:Self-isolation is just for anyone pulling in more than $4,250, those $1417 Now you're pivoting to isolation? That's different—that's sick leave, and the employer picks up the tab.
What’s the amount for people on minimum wage, for example?
I was actually spiraling about this the other day—if this applies to everyone $1417, wouldn't it actually make more sense for some people to just stay home in isolation rather than even bothering to show up to work?😁
wearytrucker22 said:It’s not like I’m going to have fiber optic internet forever. In ten days, I’ll just pay for an IgG test myself so I actually know where I stand. Right now, I don't have COVID; I just have a fever. Since my temperature hasn't stayed above 100.4°F for long and I don't have swollen lymph nodes, I haven't picked up a bacterial infection. My health status is my business, not the government's. I'm heading out to grab some warm bread—mask on, staying totally legal, straight to the bakery.
It’s people like you who are the reason we have these infection numbers and why the hospitals are completely overwhelmed.😠
And then you look at the news and it’s just more total garbage—nothing but clickbait and straight-up lies that completely miss what's actually happening on the ground.
If he isn't living right next to one of those drive-in testing sites, maybe he saw those insane videos of the absolute chaos and the massive lines at the clinics 🙂 where people are just standing around in the freezing cold totally ignoring all the safety rules, so now he’s paranoid that even if he doesn't catch COVID, he'll just pick up some nasty lung infection from standing out in the snow with a fever
so instead, he just decided to lock himself in his house for ten days on his own accord, without anyone even telling him to 🍿
I mean, isn't the definition kind of wonky? Like, sure, counting from when you first feel sick makes sense, but let's be real—between long weekends and everything being slammed, someone could be stuck waiting days just to get tested or even get their results back.
That’s where the whole "personal responsibility" thing kicks in, right? 😉
Because during a pandemic, once you start feeling those first symptoms—and look, it might not even be COVID, it could just be a nasty sinus infection or a standard head cold, who knows? —you're basically left hanging while you wait on testing or results, trying your best not to head out to Target, the local bakery, or just anywhere around people...
Andrew Booth29 said:Alright, I missed that point—but honestly, once you have kids in the picture, all those isolation rules go right out the window. You aren't just going to lock your own mother away. Personally? I’d much rather be at the office. There’s nobody there anyway, and the building is huge and fully climate-controlled—meaning the air is constantly being cycled through. But no, I have to stay home. I actually ordered a rapid test hoping it comes back positive. If it doesn't, I'll just get the antibody test done later. My oldest was practically crawling all over me while he was infectious before we even realized he had tested positive by pure chance. And he was definitely more clingy during this bout. 😬 which means he was crawling all over both me and Mom.
So, yeah—all that nonsense about self-isolating at home only really works if you don't have children. By the time you realize a kid is positive, you've already been exposed. And if you haven't been infected yet, you likely won't be because you're already immune. Besides, most families have kids. The only exception might be when visiting grandparents, though they've both already recovered from it.
Look, if your kid tests positive, you're officially stuck in isolation too—you aren't going anywhere.😉
The real headache starts when the kid is in isolation but hasn't shown any symptoms yet. If you live together, you can't just isolate yourself from your own child—that would be straight-up psychological abuse! Like, imagine a kid running up to give you a hug and you just shove them away👎 or lock them in a room, and the kid might have unfortunately caught COVID-19 from a close contact, so it's just a matter of days before they start feeling sick. At that point, you're making a conscious choice to take the risk of being near them. It's your kid, you love them, and there's no other way to handle it.
A lot of people just don't get it. They see a kid in isolation who might develop symptoms in a few days, but they act like they aren't a close contact to a potentially infectious person. Because they haven't been "officially" told they're a contact, they think it's totally fine to head out to the grocery store or the bakery...
Dude, you clearly aren't reading what's right in front of you: obviously you can't just isolate a kid😉 whether they've got the flu or some other nasty bug.
Back when we were dealing with those lockdown orders, if a parent was staying home to look after a sick kid, they had every right to be there—but common sense says if you're skipping work to nurse a little one, you shouldn't be out hitting up Target or wandering through malls either. It’s just being a responsible citizen, ya know? Now, the latest CDC guidelines are basically saying even siblings shouldn't be heading into school or daycare if their brother or sister is under quarantine, even though on paper, nobody has officially flagged them as "close contacts" yet.
Megan Thomas5 said:Wait, how exactly do you isolate "inside" a house? Like, what happens when they need to use the bathroom or grab a snack???
Are you actually kidding me right now🤔 Seriously, does it really not occur to you how it works?
Long story short: you stay holed up in your room with your laptop, your phone, some books... food and drinks get left on a chair outside your door, you chat, hang out, and coordinate everything virtually—over text, calls, whatever. When you have to hit the bathroom, you throw on a mask and clean up after yourself properly (or, if you're feeling like absolute garbage and don't have the strength to scrub the toilet even with a mask and gloves, then the people you live with handle it)😉
Obviously, to pull off ten days of this, you need to be a mentally toughmatureadult. You can't exactly expect a kid to isolate like that. Some people just decide they're gonna keep living their lives normally without bothering to quarantine from everyone else in the house,
but if we’re actually being responsible citizens, that kind of choice should only be made by people who actually have the option to go into full isolation (even if there isn't an official government mandate against them), instead of just hanging around in close contact with someone potentially infected. And since they say you're contagious even before the symptoms kick in, you end up becoming a walking risk too, while you're still out there acting like everything is totally fine.
Look, you’ve got confirmed antibodies, so you’re fine. Your family probably has them too if you do,
but I totally disagree with this logic—the idea that if you don't have antibodies, you won't get slapped with an isolation order, yet you'd still be out hitting the grocery store while some potentially infected person sitting at home isn't being isolated, basically meaning they'd be in super close contact with everyone every single day, just wandering through crowded shops, 🤷
Yeah, sure, "contacts of contacts" who are already isolating don't get official orders, but then again, the whole point of an isolation order for someone quarantined is that they must stay away from everyone else in the house (and honestly, unless they offer free hotel stays, which let's face it, they don't, how can anyone stay apart?) so the people leaving the house don't end up becoming spreaders themselves.
Actually, I think the system is totally broken here. Someone staying home to take care of a kid because they're in quarantine should also be hit with an isolation order (obviously not the ones who are exempt because of antibodies), because most moms—unless they're in some high-risk category—aren't just gonna isolate themselves from their own kids in a situation like that.
But even without these government mandates, where's the damn personal responsibility? Do we really all need a legal order forced down our throats just to act like decent, responsible human beings? 🤔
Look, I totally get why you made the call to not quarantine your kid—sometimes you just gotta take that risk if they caught something from some other student at school, but I’ve gotta ask... does everyone just stay holed up at home for those 10 days? Or are the people who aren't officially under isolation still out there hitting the office, heading to class, or grabbing stuff at Target?
Seriously, you gotta just go full hermit mode from everyone else in the house—like, if you have to hit the bathroom, throw on a mask and then scrub everything down with disinfectant right after because man, these symptoms can be super sneaky. If your kid caught this thing from that one student, it might not even show up for like six days! And the kicker? They say you’re already contagious before you even feel sick, which is why you don't want to pass it around to the rest of the family who actually *are* allowed to leave the house and go out . Apparently, the school district might let a parent stay home to look after the kid while they're on sick leave instead of going to work . So, honestly, if you can swing it, it's probably best if one parent just goes into isolation with the kid. That way, the little one doesn't end up feeling totally isolated or rejected or whatever .
Basically, "close contacts" means anyone you’ve been hanging out with or even just brushed up against within that 48-hour window right before those first nasty symptoms start kicking in (or, you know, if you don't feel sick at all but you take a test and it comes back positive for COVID-19).
Nicholas Davis4 said:Sorry, you were really just a springboard for my thoughts on the state of the country. In this context, "you" was just a figure of speech rather than a direct call-out to you personally.
Honestly, even just seeing 🙄 his username makes me think back to that absolute disaster of a life he had when they shut down his local Gold's Gym during the lockdown... man, he was practically begging for some illegal 🤦
Yeah🤣 my biggest fear is honestly just how much you're missing the point here. Like, if someone is supposed to be in self-isolation, the whole damn idea is that they need to be isolated from everyone else—including people living under the same roof, as much as possible and they shouldn't be stepping foot out of the house unless it’s an absolute emergency 🤦
plus, you're actually dropping a link that says the exact opposite of what you're so dead set on believing 🤦
Look at the first two points from that link you posted: Guidelines for people required to self-isolate:
1. Stay home. Only go out if it's absolutely necessary. Don't invite anyone over and don't have guests visit. 2. Avoid contact with other household members as much as possible. ...Stay in a separate room
mellowskipper said:I mean, he’s talking about when he’s actually feeling healthy while in isolation. Why on earth would anyone just stay shut in a single room? Besides, if I were running a fever, dealing with a cold, and just generally feeling miserable—which I usually am—I'd definitely be horizontal in bed. If you've got your shrimp or whatever and you're on crutches, you can still move around the apartment; there's really no reason to be confined to one room.
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mellowskipper said:I'm not sure what I'm failing to understand here? It seems fairly straightforward to me—sick people isolate, while healthy people undergo self-isolation, or quarantine, if you will. If symptoms actually show up, then they move into isolation. It's all laid out clearly on the official US Army websites. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/about/isolation-quarantine.html
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Sweet link, man! Here’s what I pulled from it:
Isolation basically means you’re stuck in quarantine and—well, that's it. You're just cooped up. He’s staying in his own private room.Look, it’s all about preventing the spread of some nasty virus in a room, alright? And honestly, the whole thing applies to self-isolation too—it's just that people usually toss around the word "isolation" when someone is actually sick, whereas they use "self-isolation" or "home quarantine" for healthy folks staying put. It's basically the same damn thing, just different labels depending on whether you're hacking up a lung or just playing it safe.
So, basically, if you've been around people who actually caught the virus, you're looking at being stuck in self-isolation or home quarantine. It’s that whole "stay in your bubble" deal where you gotta lay low because you might've been exposed. Just one of those things, I guess. I could totally catch something in the next two weeks, honestly. Just waiting for it to hit me.
Look, if you’re one of those people stuck under a mandatory quarantine order, you basically have to stay put. It's simple: you gotta limit your movement and just hang out at home for a bit. No wandering around, no hitting up the local Starbucks, nothing. Just stay inside! Stay inside, man. Just stay home. Seriously. Honestly, the more you try to just stay in your own lane and cut ties with everyone else in the house—and everyone else out there too—the better. Just keep that circle small, man. Seriously.
Look, if you're stuck in self-isolation but you aren't living solo, you seriously need to go above and beyond to stay away from everyone else in the house. Like, I'm talking maximum effort here. You gotta do everything in your power to limit contact with your family or whoever else is breathing the same air as you. Seriously, just stay out of the way as much as possible! Man, you seriously gotta get some space from the people you live with. Like, if at all possible, find yourself a separate room where you can just... exist. You know? Just breathe without someone breathing down your neck.
Look, here's the deal: if you catch COVID, you’re basically a walking biohazard from the second it hits you. Even when you feel totally fine—like, you're just dealing with some minor, annoying symptoms that don't even seem like a big deal yet—you're already spreading it. You can't just sit there thinking you're safe because you aren't feeling miserable yet. Nope. You're contagious right out of the gate. Man, you gotta watch out because this thing can actually start spreading like wildfire a day or two before you even feel sick. Like, you think you're totally fine, just chilling, and then bam—you're already passing it around. It's honestly such a pain.
mellowskipper said:I mean, he’s talking about when he’s actually feeling healthy while in isolation. Why on earth would anyone just stay shut in a single room? Besides, if I were running a fever, dealing with a cold, and just generally feeling miserable—which I usually am—I'd definitely be horizontal in bed. If you've got your shrimp or whatever and you're on crutches, you can still move around the apartment; there's really no reason to be confined to one room.
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Man, you seriously don't get what isolation even means or why we have to do it for this new virus🤔
especially since you can't be 100% certain you're healthy after being around someone who tested positive. That's the whole point of the quarantine! 🤷
Man, you guys are making this way too complicated 😵
Look, any normal, responsible family dealing with someone stuck in isolation because they were a close contact is gonna try their best to keep that person isolated right? They might be infected but haven't shown symptoms yet, or they could be positive without even feeling sick—they feel fine, but hey, without a test, you can't really know for sure. And let's be real, if the Social Security Administration tried to pay for testing every single person who was a close contact, they’d go bankrupt overnight.
So how do you actually do it? Like Keith Barrett2 was saying earlier, her husband just spends those days holed up in his room with his computer, phone, video calls, books, the TV, all that stuff. She just drops food off at the door, and when he has to hit the bathroom, she disinfects everything afterward.
Dammit, it isn't easy, but you just gotta grit your teeth and get through those 10 days.
melloworca6 said:Man, Sophie, I could go on about things you're being dramatic about right now, but I won't. Fine, maybe you don't get certain things, but at least don't talk trash when you're out of the loop. Besides, not everyone lives in NYC, so maybe stop posting from your little metropolitan bubble.
Yeah, this is a problem for dog owners. Meaning, if you lean into the issue, you start freaking out. But can we also say the system is totally screwed? Half of this was decided on a whim without any actual thought, and after six months, they still haven't organized a damn thing.
Personally, I actually think things have been pretty well-organized,
like, the Red Cross and those other groups were actually getting supplies out to people in high-risk groups, plus neighbors were stepping up to help anyone stuck in isolation or at risk—people were even offering up free Airbnbs for folks who couldn't stay isolated at home....
You could always find someone willing to walk your dog during those 10 days, too. 😉
Let's be honest, if you're looking for an excuse to break quarantine because of your dog or some trash pickup issue, just say that. Don't pretend that's the only way to handle it.
melloworca6 said:What does that even have to do with anything? I wouldn't go out if someone was standing in the hall, and honestly, I do the same thing now even when I'm perfectly healthy; I'll wait a minute or two outside my door before heading out.
Besides, people need to take their trash down to the basement and they have to use the stairs to get there. Are they supposed to just let garbage pile up in their apartment for two weeks if they're in isolation?
I don't know how things are lately, but from what I remember, back then friends, family, and stuff like that would step in to help people in isolation with groceries or taking out the trash. Maybe they've loosened up the rules now.
How do you even manage to avoid everyone? During the lockdown, I was trying so hard not to run into anyone in my building that it actually became a habit.🤣
So even now, I often wait to leave my place until I think the hallway is empty. And half the time, just as I'm heading down the stairs, someone will pop out of their door or walk into the building right at that exact second. 🤔
So, do you live on the ground floor? because if not, aren't you basically forced to trek through a shared hallway just to get out of the building? Like, you’d have to run into someone like your neighbor Sue and be stuck within like three feet of each other—I'm pretty sure those stairs aren't even wide enough to dodge someone if you're trying to avoid being exposed.