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Is it worth appealing a repeat traffic violation? in Criminal and Misdemeanor Law ·
Megan Kelly8 said:Hey everyone. About two years ago, I rolled through a yellow light right as it turned red. The cop decided to make it a whole thing for no real reason and slapped me with $667 a fine and a three-month license suspension. I appealed it, and the judge actually sided with me.

Fast forward to a few days ago—I messed up again. This time, I blew straight through a deep red light. Totally my fault. The penalty was $667 a massive fine and a six-month suspension.

Does anyone have experience with appealing a repeat offense? Does an appeal even make sense at this stage, or am I just wasting my time? Is there any realistic shot at keeping my license? Honestly, being off the road for six months feels worse than doing actual jail time.

Of course you have the right to appeal—since your first offense was dismissed, it shouldn't be on your permanent record.😁
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
feralmoose32 said:So, one of my friend's little ones is in first grade, and they already have their first required reading assignment—plus a test on it!
It’s all just a blur right now...

Meanwhile, with my other friend, they don't even assign reading books in the first grade at all.

So, yeah... 😬

Personally, I’ve been reading Hedgehog the Hedgehog and Ugly Duckling to my little guy, and we’ve actually moved on to Harry Potter. We’re already halfway through the first book in just a week—it really shows how much of an impact parents can have on what their kids are reading.

I mean, it isn't exactly normal for them to be churning through a different book every single week like those high-pressure private academies do... though, granted, that usually happens in the higher grades.

That is absolutely true👍.

For me, the absolute worst part is listening to certain parents sit there in front of their kids and complain about how "pointless" required reading is, or asking why they even have to do it... and then they act completely shocked when the kids grow up hating books and just parroting their parents' cynicism.🤦.

I am a genuine reader—I adore books (honestly, some small local libraries could probably be shamed by the sheer volume of my personal collection)—and one of my kids loves to read everything in sight, while the other tends to stick to a very narrow range of interests. But they both finish their assigned reading because we’ve instilled the idea that it’s just like any other subject in a textbook: it’s something that simply needs to be mastered. They might not devour every single book with gusto, but they get the job done.
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
Jason Hall35 said:It’s about time they ditched Pinocchio; kids absolutely loathe reading him (just like they do with Alice in Wonderland). But look, stuff like hero Pavlov’s streets or Heidi? Those stay classics and people actually want to pick them up.
Honestly, I'm feeling pretty bummed out 😢
And this guy—God, he clearly doesn't even know what a stick or a pair of pants are. What a pathetic loser. Like, why would anyone ever bother building a vocabulary or learning about things outside their own tiny little bubble? Seriously... talk about a nasty attitude.
At this rate, our kids are just gonna turn into a bunch of uncultured, clueless idiots with zero depth.

For crying out loud, The Buttercup Dance Dress is hands down the most beautiful, soul-stirring children's story ever written... give me a break...
I really hope teachers and professors keep picking the heavy hitters from literature for their students. Let's not end up spiritually bankrupt.

And yet, you see, my own kids are obsessed with Pinocchio, while they claim Heidi is just plain boring. Honestly, I find Heidi tedious myself: every single morning it’s the exact same repetitive loop stretched over two pages—the hair brushing, the braiding, stepping outside to stare at the clouds, then staring at the mountains🤣)

For me, though, Gricki is one of those books that just didn't click😬 and American folk tales🙂 (well, provided you stumble upon an edition that includes translations of old, regional dialect; without that, it’s an absolute slog for today's generation—even for someone like me, despite having vivacious grandparents who spoke pure, old-school rural English filled with archaic terms)
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
Susan James said:I get those judgmental looks from other parents whenever I don't know exactly when an assignment is due.
I'm sure some of them think I'm just being lazy, but honestly, the specific deadline doesn't matter much to me.
Personally, I think teachers should just create Facebook events for all the reading assignments so everyone stays on the same page.🧐

😉
The deadline matters—it's the only way to know when the window for reading and discussing the material actually closes.

My daughter's teacher didn't give a damn about specific dates during her first two years of elementary school. Back then, they handled assignments by just reading them in class and chatting about them—you know how those types of teachers are: all "let's just wander through *The Great Gatsby* or *Charlotte's Web* and see where we land." But now that she's in 3rd grade, everything has changed; there’s a hard deadline, and they tackle the books in three distinct ways: a test, a session in the school library with the librarian, and an in-class discussion plus a written summary in their notebooks following the teacher's exact instructions.😬
What's the point of required reading? in Students & Teens ·
driftingheron70 said:Is a first grader actually expected to grasp what they’re reading and answer comprehension questions about a story?

I mean, look at the reading list for first grade: things like >, >, or even >...

Is it even normal for a parent to read these books *to* their kid, basically putting on a little theatrical performance while explaining everything? Of course, the kid remembers all the juicy details because of that, but then when they try to read on their own, they struggle to remember anything because they're just decoding the words mechanically without actually processing them.

And I'm not just talking about my own daughter here—I'm looking at two-thirds or more of the kids in her class where the parents are doing all the heavy lifting by reading the stories aloud. The whole point of these assignments is for the kid to nail those worksheet questions, right? But you can't do that if you don't actually retain the plot. They aren't using these books as a way to practice reading skills; they're just treating them as a way to get the answers. They could practice actual reading anytime with any book, but they aren't using this as a tool for reading comprehension.

Sometimes I catch myself wondering if I'm just old-fashioned or stuck in my ways for thinking this should be the kid's responsibility. Am I just making things harder for my child by insisting she does the work herself? Honestly, I feel like this way of "reading" is totally backwards, but it's so incredibly common—it's what everyone else is doing—that it makes me wonder if I'm the one who's losing my mind.

I couldn't agree with you more—I operate the exact same way. The assignment was given to the child; therefore, it is the child's job and obligation. I'll step in if they hit a wall, but the idea of me personally reading the entire book to my son or daughter and then answering the questions for them (writing out quotes or whatever else is required) never even crosses my mind.

BUT—the majority of today's "modern" parents (and I hate that term, even though they use it themselves to sound enlightened) seem to think assigned reading is just a tedious chore for kids that isn't strictly necessary. So, they end up reading it themselves or writing the reports just to take the load off their children 🙂 or they just print out some condensed version from the internet and stick to watching movies or cartoons if a film adaptation exists.

What really grates on my nerves, though, is seeing people write their book reports the very night before they're due to be discussed or reviewed in class. I've noticed other parents look at me like I'm some kind of idiot when I mention that my child finished their reading and wrote their report over the weekend—well before the deadline or the classroom discussion.
First Communion gift ideas? in Students & Teens ·
frozenrider15 said:This isn't exactly the right thread for this, but it’s about First Communion.

What on earth should I put under the dress for a little girl attending her First Communion? She'll be wearing the official one provided by the church, so she won't be the only one in that specific outfit.

Since we're looking at mid-May, it could be sweltering. Add a packed church to the mix, and you have a recipe for disaster—my little one tends to overheat easily and really struggles with the heat. I'm completely stumped on what to layer underneath. Should she wear something? Or just nothing at all? 😁

How does everyone usually handle this? We aren't heading straight to a fancy restaurant afterward; we're going home, so she can easily change out of the formal gear once we get there. I honestly can't picture her wearing anything under that gown other than maybe a basic undershirt or a light tee.

We had our First Communion ceremony last year in May; the weather was pleasant, but not scorching—though April and May in the States can be incredibly deceptive. <My little guy wore a button-down shirt and pants under his outfit. You won't really know what to layer underneath until a few days before when you finally see a reliable forecast.>> 😉.
Grading Freshmen in Students & Teens ·
Susan James said:Looking at what first graders actually do in art class, you don't really need "talent" yet.
What they actually need are fine motor skills—which are the foundation for writing (and what gets tested during kindergarten enrollment)—along with things like focus, following directions, and staying on task.

In my opinion, everything in those early elementary grades should be graded descriptively.
The thing is, even though teachers are supposed to include a brief comment alongside a grade, most don't bother.
So, we're left with these letter grades that people then use to draw all sorts of random conclusions.
It’s not the "C" itself that's the problem; it's how everyone interprets it.🙂

On a side note, I actually think it's healthy for kids in the lower grades to occasionally get a D or a C. Since those grades don't really serve any purpose other than for parents to brag on Facebook or for kids to collect As like they're Pokémon cards, it's a good chance for them to learn how to deal with failure. They can learn from not studying, not doing their homework, or struggling with a task. It helps them build work habits through their own mistakes now, rather than later when every single grade becomes high-stakes for high school admissions.

God, this whole "posting for Facebook" obsession is pure insanity.🤣🤣🤣—I mean, seriously: "Bravo, a 4.0 GPA!" followed by a photo of the entire report card.🙂
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
jadetinker85 said:Are you saying the subject is too demanding? Personally, I think kids in the upper grades are just overloaded. Just look at the exam schedules—once finals hit, it feels like there's a test every three days. Even electives and social studies classes have become way more intense than they used to be.

If you ask me, it isn't overly difficult, but it is incredibly monotonous and tedious—though, naturally, that all depends on the instructor.😉
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
jadetinker85 said:My kid just got a B in religion class for his first grade report card. What exactly are they expecting from a six-year-old? Honestly, I might just pull him from the program after his First Communion and let them hand out Bs to whoever they want. Or maybe he just misunderstood the assignment...

Back in my day, we used to see Cs and Ds for religion class grades—so what?

It’s just another elective, plain and simple. Grades go from 1 to 5—or an F to an A here—and that doesn't mean you're guaranteed an A every single time, even if a kid shows up, sits there, doesn't participate, or has absolutely no clue what's going on in class.....

In our local school district, it's pure nonsense that religion class is scheduled right in the middle of the day for the younger kids—the ones who don't take it end up stuck in the library. But the real headache is that the library isn't open every morning, so those kids are forced to wander the hallways because we don't have any extra classrooms to put them in. My kids actually have straight As in religion class, but let's be real—they earn them because we have a fantastic teacher. BUT, if this same subject were scheduled as the very first or very last period of the day, I would pull them out immediately—they'd just be teaching useless trivia that half the class wouldn't grasp anyway.

Personally, I thought religion class was a wonderful subject, even though I didn't grow up in one of those families that heads to church every single Sunday (it was usually just my grandparents, and even then, only occasionally). We learned through play—everything from basic prayers to the core concepts of the Old and New Testaments—but it all felt organic and lovely through engaging storytelling. We were constantly making crafts for the school, the church, or the local monastery. We even made cards for kids in nursing homes and shelters etc....
Student-teacher dynamics vs. parent-teacher dynamics in Students & Teens ·
nimblelynx7 said:My colleague posted this on Facebook today. Seems relevant here:

Parent at a parent-teacher conference:

Parent: Is he behaving during class?
Teacher: Yes.
Parent: Any aggression toward other kids or staff?
Teacher: No.
Parent: Stealing anything from classmates?
Teacher: No.
Parent: So, he's a good kid...?
Teacher: He is, but...
Parent: But what?
Teacher: He's failing math, physics, geography, and barely passing biology.
Parent: What's that got to do with me?
Teacher: Well, your child is...
Parent: Look, my job is to make sure my kid stays calm, isn't violent, and doesn't steal. It looks like they learned that.
So, it’s not my problem—it's yours.
Now you expect me to step in and do your job by teaching him math, physics, geography, and biology?

👍

They'll always learn how to behave in class. 😬

There are exceptions, of course, but plenty of teachers and professors just aren't up for the task.
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
Jerry Anderson87 said:From what I’ve gathered through my own experience, taking religious education classes in school isn't actually a requirement for receiving the sacraments... All those stories about priests or teachers making it a condition? That's mostly just noise for people following the herd. It seems like they just don't want to take a moment to look into the facts themselves...

Those aren't prices—those are just isolated incidents happening in specific teeth.😉 It isn’t exactly a shocker—though it certainly is frustrating—that parents often find themselves completely powerless to intervene, even when they try to take their grievances straight to Capitol Hill.🙂.
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
Richard Perez3 said:At the end of the day, all that makes a religion actually "real" is how many people show up.
Otherwise, you’re just looking at some random cult.
That’s why the headcount matters so much. Whether you’re a die-hard believer, someone just going through the motions, an atheist pretending to care, or just some guy who couldn't care less about faith—it doesn't matter. As long as you're part of the crowd, you count.

👍
Well put.🤣
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
I haven't seen a single word from HepiHipo yet—though I suppose I shouldn't be surprised by the silence. It’s become quite the pattern lately, hasn't it? Everyone enters these discussions with such grand intentions, only to vanish the moment things get even slightly complicated. One can almost hear the collective sigh of disappointment echoing through the thread. Honestly, if we are going to have a serious conversation about this, we need people who actually show up and contribute something substantial rather than just lurking in the shadows. Typical. Sam Kim12 says:
I’ve already stated my position quite clearly—Mass is just as valid anywhere as it is here, and frankly, that is exactly how things ought to be.
And of course—it’s just too much to ask for parents to have any flexibility—they expect to be able to drop everything and head out the moment Mass is over. It's always the same story.

Look, I’m not even talking about that—it’s just that you seem to have this habit of cherry-picking exactly what fits your narrative and ignoring everything else.

There are far, far more parents of that particular stripe than there are priests like the two we’ve been discussing—it's an overwhelming reality.
Make no mistake—this isn't some secondhand account or a collection of someone else's anecdotes—it is my own firsthand experience.

I have been involved in the sacramental preparation process for kids in my parish for over a decade now—dealing with hundreds of parents, and I mean literally hundreds—and it is the same exhausting cycle every single year. They drop their children off for religious education as if they’re just checking a box on a grocery list, with absolutely zero interest in the spiritual journey itself. There is this complete lack of engagement; parents don't seem to grasp that preparing for a sacrament isn't merely about enrolling in a class and showing up on a specific date to satisfy a requirement. It is the same tiresome litany of grievances every year—the endless, relentless "why." Why does it have to be in the morning? Why do they actually need to step foot inside the church? Why is there extra religious instruction? Why are they being pushed to attend morning Mass? Why is regular attendance mandatory? Why are they being encouraged to go to confession? It’s just a constant, maddening barrage of "why, why, why..." from people who treat faith like an inconvenient chore rather than a meaningful life milestone.

I’ve had about twenty parents per age group reach out to me lately—it’s becoming a bit of a pattern, really—claiming they have this "tradition" of visiting grandparents, or perhaps they’re tied up with soccer practice or some other game, using those as excuses for missing a specific Mass.
And you know what’s actually great about them? They never complain. You can always find a solution—everything gets ironed out with the teacher and the local priest—and there’s just zero drama.
In this country, we don’t obsess over counting attendance stamps—even though we have them—nor do we interrogate children about where they were if they missed a service. We don't force them into the exact same Mass every single week just because they’re "short" on their requirements. Honestly, kids actually enjoy filling up those little booklets; they can show up to any Mass they want—whether it’s a weekday service, an evening vigil, or some other special occasion—to fill in the gaps. We have a genuinely fantastic system that works perfectly fine. And yet—and this is the part that exhausts me—you will always find the same small circle of parents standing outside the church every week. They spend forty-five minutes straight droning on about how the schedule is an "attack," how tired the kids are, how difficult it all is, and how utterly pointless, exhausting, and boring the whole thing is.
And here is the even more absurd part of the whole ordeal—they do this right in front of the church during the service. Meanwhile, their kid is stuck inside, expected to sit perfectly still and remain dead silent while the parents are outside, lounging around, taking a stroll, smoking, chatting, and having a good laugh.
It’s common sense—it goes without saying—that kids should be out there actually living their lives, too. 🤦

Honestly, what is driving people to act this way? Who exactly is pushing these kids into this—who is actually forcing them down this path?
Vi. 🤷
Why on earth does some priest feel entitled to dictate the entire schedule of Sunday just because it suits his own personal whims? Why should the rest of us be forced to bend our lives around his specific preferences—simply because he finds it inconvenient otherwise?

Oh, absolutely—there are some truly terrible priests, chaplains, and youth ministers out there. No doubt about it.
Look, their lack of accountability for the absolute mess they’re making doesn't somehow absolve the parents—no, it certainly doesn't—of their own responsibility when they choose to enroll their kid in religion class.

Honestly, if everyone who keeps whining about this would just stop making it a thing and simply *not* enroll their kids in religion classes, life would be infinitely easier—for everyone involved. First off, it would save the kids the headache, then it would take the pressure off the parents, and finally, it would make my life a hell of a lot simpler too. I’d much rather deal with a group of ten kids during prep than try to manage thirty. It's common sense, really.

Honestly, I can’t seem to find anything worth my time lately—nothing I read actually resonates with me.😉 I’m speaking from my own lived experience here—not just repeating some tired old clichés or parroting what the local clergy tells us we ought to believe.😉 It’s becoming painfully obvious to me—and I say this with zero exaggeration—that we are dealing with a self-inflicted crisis. We aren't actually struggling because of the issues the parents are bringing to the table; rather, we are drowning in new, unnecessary complications born solely from the sheer, unadulterated incompetence of the clergy. It’s the stupidity of the priests that is creating the friction here—not the actual concerns of the families involved.

Around here, nobody ever raised an eyebrow about kids being required to attend Sunday Mass or those Saturday religious education sessions held in the parish halls. If you were prepping for something like St. Peter, you were fully aware that extra instruction sessions were part of the deal—dedicated time specifically for sacrament preparation—and honestly, the Catechists ran the show so well that the kids actually loved it.

I don't attend Sunday Mass, and I’m certainly not making a federal case out of it—my kids go on their own accord, without me breathing down their necks or rolling my eyes at them😉.

Who’s forcing me? —absolutely nobody
Who’s forcing my children? —nobody at all
Why do you keep hitting me with such mindless questions? Did I ever state that I don't want my kids attending Mass? NO
Did I say my kids have no interest in going? NO

My critique was aimed squarely at the clerical dictatorial streak—the way some priests insist that only *their* specific Mass counts and refuse to recognize services in other parishes. That kind of ego-driven absurdity—where a priest starts believing he actually *is* God—is precisely what drives the next generation away from faith entirely.
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
James Alvarez2 said:That's where the issue lies, and even my local pastor doesn't get it (he doesn't demand stamps, but the problem shows up differently)—you shouldn't force kids, you should attract them. You gotta inspire them, not blackmail them.

Looking at the teachers I work with at the church—they aren't much different, really 😬

Attending mass should probably be a requirement for a sacrament. Not necessarily a specific mass at a specific church, but going to mass is preparation for a sacrament just like religious ed classes are.

Just like kids have to show up to practice to play the game, or you have to go to language school classes to get your certificate, mass should be a requirement here.

But then you hit the same wall with parents as you do with priests. We want the sacrament, but we don't want to show up to the services 🍿

Shiny! 👏

Look, if they understood what was in bold, they might actually get it.😉

Yes, attending Mass is a requirement—BUT it doesn't have to be at one specific service or one specific building and parents get rightfully frustrated by that rigid mindset😉...people head out on road trips or visit family in other cities during the weekend, and I fail to see why it's an issue to attend Mass in a place like Ogulin—why would that service be any less valid?
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
Sarah Hall53 said:Yeah, my cousin dealt with a total piece of work for a priest (typo: I first wrote priest, but honestly, that description fits this guy perfectly 😂), and she actually had to bring in a doctor's note if she missed Sunday Mass because she was sick. Because of his ridiculous rules, her family couldn't even attend a funeral Mass for her own cousin—meaning her mom had to miss her own nephew's service just because you were required to show up at your specific parish. And not just any service, either; it had to be the exact one he designated, not the one two towns over, or even the afternoon or evening ones.
To make matters worse, he was working hand-in-hand with the religious ed teacher, who would give a failing grade for commitment in the yearbook if you missed three Masses.
(Btw, the girl didn't just drop religion class at the last minute, she's not even Catholic anymore—she switched to Adventists, Evangelicals, or something like that...)

Ugh... honestly, some priests really do let themselves go way too far.🙂And honestly—if you want to find the absolute worst of them—look no further than those small-town bubbles. It’s always the smaller communities where the narrow-mindedness really takes root.
There used to be this rigid little tradition around here—this insistence that you had to show up strictly for the early morning Mass—but they finally folded on that requirement. Honestly, it was an inevitable surrender to the rebellion of the youth (though if we’re being honest, let's call it what it really was: a revolt by the parents).🤣The biology was just different—it’s a fact. You had these kids who wouldn't be caught dead at an early morning Mass, completely dodging the sunrise services like the plague, yet they’d show up in droves for the midday or evening ones—no questions asked.🤣Everything is handled—smoothly, efficiently, and without a single loose end. 😬
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
Susan James said:If you want to take a second language, you have options—you can do a block period or switch things around; you could even enroll in a private language academy where you don't have to deal with the stress of GPA grades. Plus, you can often pick your own instructor or switch if you don't vibe with them, or even drop out mid-year if needed, which you definitely can't do with a standard elective.
Religion class is mandatory within the school curriculum. If you want those sacraments, you pretty much have to attend.

It sounds absurd, but that’s just how it works.
I know some kids who don't take a second language because it's scheduled during the afternoon shift and clashes with their music lessons or soccer practice. Instead, they just study it at home or at a specialized tutoring center where they can pick their own hours. Yet, those same kids still attend religion class because it's tucked into the standard morning schedule and they have to be at school anyway. If it were held in the afternoon, they wouldn't bother.

And honestly, I find this part so interesting: you can't just opt out of religion class at the start of the year if you realize they scheduled it for first period or if a few friends aren't in it. But the moment you get the schedule and see that German is the third period during the afternoon shift—right when your kid has soccer—you can just file a request and it actually gets approved.☕

Yes—those are certainly some of the more fascinating quirks within our education system.🙂
It’s absolutely maddening—honestly, it’s a complete bureaucratic circus. Every single year, you’re forced to jump through hoops just to re-register for your second language elective, like they’ve somehow forgotten who you are over the summer break. It’s an exhausting, repetitive loop of paperwork that serves no purpose other than to waste everyone's time. But then—and this is where the real absurdity kicks in—you look at how they handle religion classes. You sign up once, and suddenly it’s hardcoded into your schedule forever. It becomes this automatic, permanent fixture in your curriculum for every subsequent grade. There’s no easy way out; if you decide you aren't interested anymore, you have to go through the whole ordeal of formally requesting a withdrawal at the end of the school year. It’s a total lack of logic—one thing requires constant, annoying upkeep, while the other is practically impossible to shake off without a fight. It’s enough to make anyone lose their mind.🍿

Sarah Hall53 said:If you can swing the extra cost for a language school, go for it. 🤷 But let’s be real—not everyone has that kind of breathing room in their budget.
Regarding dropping classes once the schedule drops, there's actually a logic to it. If your German class or Computer Science elective clashes with football or band practice, that’s a totally valid reason to switch things up. But saying, "Oh, Theology is my first period, so I'd rather sleep in"—no, that just doesn't fly. You aren't getting an out for German or Comp Sci just because it's your last period and you want to get home earlier, or because you found out over Labor Day weekend that two of your buddies dropped out.
(By the way, personally, if there's a conflict with music or sports, I try to be a little more flexible 😉 — I mean, kids shouldn't be penalized just because the system is a mess.)

It all boils down to one inescapable reality—the Catholic lobby has successfully embedded itself into the political machine, and their influence is nothing short of overwhelming. For us mere mortals just trying to navigate daily life, there isn't much we can do about it—it’s a frustratingly rigged game, unfortunately.

I went head-to-head with the religious education teacher back when my kid was in second grade—she actually had the audacity to tell me she couldn't just "remove" a student from the class. So, I did my homework—did some digging into the district policies—and discovered that there is a perfectly valid option for opting out: non-graded status. Essentially, the child doesn't attend the sessions, completes the rest of the school year normally, and simply receives no grade for that specific subject. Once I laid out the facts, the teacher cooled her heels regarding her little power trip—and frankly, the entire class breathed a massive sigh of relief.
I am certainly not an opponent of religious studies in general—there are plenty of beautiful, profound things one can learn from them—but the actual methodology employed by certain believers is nothing short of appalling.

We actually dealt with a situation where they were handing out seals after every Mass—it was part of some rigid ritualistic nonsense preceding St. Price and charisma. You see, so many kids would head out of town to other parts of the US on the weekends, making it impossible for them to attend Mass at our home parish, yet the priest—stubborn as ever—refused to accept any confirmation from a different local church. It triggered a full-blown revolt. We’re talking organized petitions, heated confrontations, and even trips to Capitol Hill to demand a meeting—all of which eventually forced them to scrap the whole seal business and, more broadly, stop making Mass attendance a strict prerequisite for receiving the sacraments😁.
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
Chris Edwards4 said:Well, you might be looking at it wrong; in my district, religious studies is either the very first thing in the morning or the last thing before dismissal, and most kids just go along with it. Still, some parents find something to gripe about—whether it's the textbooks or the fact that religious studies is even offered at school. I heard one mom say she didn't want her kid singled out from the group—like, if everyone else is going, her kid should go too. Honestly, it's hard to wrap my head around the logic regarding these classes... there's always some reason why certain kids are "forced" to attend, even when parents claim they don't agree with any of it. Meanwhile, nobody bats an eye if half the kids go to soccer practice and the others sign up for different extracurriculars 🤔🤔

You're lucky if your religious studies is first or last period.
Seriously, what is the point of having religious education in a public school at all? Why can't it be held at a church, a parish hall, or a monastery? And why on earth would it be scheduled in the middle of the school day instead of being the first or last thing on the schedule?

Personally, I'd much rather see an elective like sports than religious studies. It isn't a problem for me to drive the kids to after-school activities in the evening since I'm home then—but I draw the line at my kids having to switch to a different bus route or shift their entire schedule just for a 45-minute class that ends up wasting two hours of their day.

Michael Lee75 said:Take my situation, for example, where they’ve got foreign language set up as a double block during the fifth and sixth periods, yet they insist on sticking religion class right in the thick of the daily grind. I suppose they think religion requires more mental heavy lifting than learning a new language, so that's why 🙄

It's the same here; either foreign language is in the afternoon shift or it isn't.😉
James Alvarez2 said:Yeah, sure, why don't you just obsess over stuff you know nothing about and clearly don't give a damn about anyway 🤣

🤣 Obviously.
Religion classes in school - Megathread in Students & Teens ·
silentraven6 said:If you can't see the distinction, I honestly don't know how much clearer I can make it for you.

The point isn't whether someone else is doing a task for you or not; it's about not planning that specific day around chores. You should set that day aside for God's word, your family, and your spirituality.

The world is set up in a way where people have to work on Sunday just to survive—that's just how things are organized—and believers are constantly being reminded that working then doesn't make them sinners.

I am completely with you regarding the sermons. That's exactly why I don't go to church anymore and why I don't identify as Catholic. I nurture my faith in a way that feels right to me, and I have no desire to belong to a community that views attending service as a chore, a mere custom, or just some mindless tradition.

On the other hand, if you aren't going to support the principles of that community, why do you still claim to be part of it? And why do those principles bother you so much?

I just don't get it.

Why enroll your kids in religious education if you aren't doing anything to stop such nonsense? Why call yourselves Catholics if the commandment about not working on Sunday bothers you so much? For heaven's sake, why practice anything just because of pure cultural habit?

Yes, a believer needs to know how to read the Bible. My semi-literate grandfather knew it inside and out; back in the sixties, he actually walked out of a church after calling out a priest for his sermon, both critically and practically.
And now, I have people telling me that in a world where almost everyone is literate and can access information in seconds, I just have to go along with certain cultural traditions and circuses.

That has nothing to do with faith or spirituality. Religious education is a whole different story. But interestingly enough, the most complaints I hear come from the parents whose kids are actually enrolled.

Are you guys out of your minds?

We’re all on the same page here—no doubt about it.😉.
I don't exactly consider myself a Catholic—and that’s solely because, in my view, faith isn't something you can measure by how often you show up at Mass. Honestly, seeing the crowd of people who make it an obligation to sit in those pews every single Sunday just makes me feel a bit nauseated. To me, true prayer isn't a scheduled performance; I find myself praying when I actually feel the need—most often when I'm standing over my brother's grave.

I didn't sign the kids up for religious education classes—they insisted on doing it themselves, and frankly, if they had asked me, I would have been the first one to say no. But neither my husband nor I wanted to be the ones standing in the way of their own little desires. Besides, the kids don't exactly complain about going to Mass—it’s the extra classes that feel like a chore. They just end up sitting through unnecessary, tedious lessons that they'll eventually learn and forget anyway—though, I suppose there's always the occasional old man showing up with cookies to make it slightly more tolerable. 😬)
It isn’t the faith itself—nor is it the core theology that bears the blame—but rather the people tasked with presenting it. I am talking about the clergy, the religious educators, and even those responsible for drafting the textbooks. They are the ones who distort the message.

Maybe I’m misreading the room, but from where I’m sitting—and I’ve been watching this play out in my local school district for a while now—it seems like everyone is losing their minds over the scheduling of religious studies. It’s an elective, plain and simple. Yet, for some reason, it constantly gets jammed right into the middle of the school day. Meanwhile, look at how they handle a second foreign language—also an elective, mind you—which usually gets tucked away in the first period or shoved to the very end of the day, or even moved to a different shift entirely once the kids hit high school. At least in my district, there's some semblance of logic applied to the languages, but the religious education classes seem to be treated like a mandatory centerpiece of the schedule.😉
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silentraven6 said:That’s not what it means.

In its most basic sense, it means you aren't out digging holes in the yard, doing a massive deep clean, running three loads of laundry, drilling through walls, managing contractors, fixing things around the house... instead, you go to Mass and dedicate time to your family.

The Church has always been against working on Sunday.

It's also something well-known to practical believers. People like that don't make a huge deal out of it, and honestly, during sermons, priests often mention that it isn't a sin to miss Mass if you have to work to survive; rather, you should find a moment of silence to pray when you can. There are decent priests out there, believe it or not.

If someone thinks that doesn't sit right with them, then they don't need to be a practical believer. For those who *are* practical believers, if an opportunity arises where they end up violating the Lord's Day, they confess it and seek absolution.

That is the dogma. I don't get why people act like it's some huge, shocking revelation.

Fine, then what’s the distinction between not going to work and just starting the washing machine? — the machine washes while you earn your bread.☕

As for there being normal priests—yes, they exist, but unfortunately, they are becoming increasingly rare.

BTW: all you really need to do is read the Bible, because most sermons from the vast majority of priests barely even touch upon the Bible.

I just love it when my priest stands there at the altar lecturing me about how materialistic everything is, how a true believer shouldn't care about worldly possessions, all while he's sipping from a gold chalice encrusted with rubies.🐔
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For instance, I found myself genuinely irritated by how Sunday was defined in a second-grade textbook:

Sunday—the day of Jesus’s resurrection. On this particular day, Christians don't bother with their usual grind; instead, they gather within their local churches to devote themselves to Mass and prayer.

So, let me get this straight—everyone who works on Sunday just to earn a paycheck and put food on the table for their family, simply because they work for an employer who treats Sunday like any other workday, isn't considered Christian?!🙂