Give me the names of the professors at KIF who told you that beginners should be doing interval training. Do you actually have any idea what beginners do when they walk into a local weightlifting club? Do you honestly think they’re jumping straight into heavy cleans and snatches? Don't play games with me... This is serious business, and you ought to start treating it that way. I wish you luck, truly, because with an approach like yours, you aren't going to get very far. I'm done wasting my breath...
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Look, you don't have the right to run experiments on people under risky conditions. Clients pay you to guide them safely toward their goals, not to turn them into lab rats. You aren't a scientist, and you certainly aren't a medical doctor. These studies actually prove that more research is needed in this field. Believe me, no licensed trainer who actually values their reputation—and more importantly, their clients' safety—is going to take these kinds of risks. I’m not saying an overweight individual is definitely going to drop dead if they perform high-intensity training, but the risk profile increases. If something goes sideways, the liability falls squarely on you because you ignored the fundamental laws of physical conditioning. You can't just skim a few isolated scientific papers and start treating your clients like test subjects based on those results. To conduct actual testing, you need the proper credentials and facilities, which means partnering with a major university kinesiology department that has the specialized equipment and expertise. Even elite organizations like the LA Galaxy rely on those institutions. Even their coaches, who have massive amounts of experience, wouldn't dream of winging it like this. Look, there are always a few greedy individuals in the mix who’ll do just about anything to get ahead. Eventually, they end up getting dragged through the mud in the headlines, but that’s a whole different conversation. My advice? Stick to proven, reliable training methods first. Once you've built that foundation and the conditions are right, there’s absolutely no reason not to throw some intervals into the mix.
Bravo. It’s incredibly "brilliant" to subject a 360lb individual to high-intensity interval training and expect their heart rate to skyrocket like that. Are you aware that someone at that weight likely struggles with hypertension? Did this person even undergo a medical screening before you started, and more importantly, did you actually bother to review their results? It’s also pure negligence to throw beginners into this kind of method when they lack basic cardiovascular conditioning. You can't just shock a heart that isn't used to physical exertion without a proper conditioning phase first. An obese client needs to focus on weight loss through low-intensity movement, whereas a healthy beginner of average weight simply needs a standard adaptation period. I sincerely hope you’ve completed a legitimate certification program and actually hold a license; if you keep operating this way, you're going to find yourself facing lawsuits from clients and scrutiny from regulatory boards. 😉
You dodge my questions, yet you expect me to provide answers? Since you’re constantly harping on about stress, you should realize that this specific training method is incredibly taxing, especially for beginners. Of course beginners will see results; they’ll see progress from almost any form of physical activity. As I’ve stated before, interval training is primarily designed to boost physical conditioning, not to melt away body fat. High-intensity intervals are meant for advanced trainees—for the pros. What you’re practicing isn't even true interval training, so stop disparaging classic aerobic training; it’s a staple used by countless elite athletes. I fear you are taking everything you read far too literally. As far as science goes, the exact way the body utilizes energy hasn't been fully mapped out; we don't know precisely when or in what ratio specific energy systems become dominant. You can't just claim that during low-intensity, long-duration aerobic exercise, the body relies solely on one specific system. You are underselling long-distance runners, for whom classic aerobic training is a fundamental component used alongside other methods. For a beginner, the priority is mastering technique—whether that's running mechanics, swimming strokes, or cycling form. Once you master the technique, the risk of injury drops. When you join a local track club or a swim team, what is the first thing you learn? That's right, you likely jump straight into intervals. :-) We could sit here debating this until tomorrow, but it’s a waste of time. On a different note, you probably have clients whose only goal is aesthetics or dropping pounds because they want fast results, and you aren't to blame for their mindset. I simply wonder what happens to those people once they hit their target and their motivation inevitably evaporates.
"Richard Cook2", does a gym owner actually know they’re putting beginners and overweight clients through these kinds of methods? What happens if someone gets dizzy and, God forbid, passes out? An EMT rolls up and asks who put this person under such strain? Putting a 360lb individual through interval training isn't exactly a stroke of genius—unless what you're calling "interval training" isn't actually interval training at all. Besides, you clearly missed my point. To perform interval training properly, you need a foundation; the body requires a base to prepare for higher-intensity stress. It seems to me you're obsessed with short-term results, which is fundamentally flawed. The real question is: where will that person be in 5 or 10 years? Will they still be training, or will they be sidelined? I am also a proponent of interval training, but absolutely not for beginners. You build fitness progressively: start with short bouts, move to longer low-intensity aerobic sessions, and only then occasionally integrate interval training while strictly adhering to specific parameters tailored to the individual. Individualized approach is everything. When we talk about interval training, we are talking about a serious method for raising the anaerobic threshold and lactate tolerance, thereby increasing overall physical conditioning. Recovery after a session like that must be a minimum of 48 hours!
jadedrifter2 said:And then you drop a third "educational" article on us, too.
You're right. I should have walked away a long time ago; you’re just too stubborn to grasp the very things that would actually benefit you. I have much more productive ways to spend my time than engaging in these debates...
Of course you don't get it when you take everything you read at face value. ATP is a molecule where, essentially, adenosine triphosphate is broken down into adenosine diphosphate plus phosphate to generate energy. We have a general idea of how different systems release energy, but we don't have exact, granular data for every single moment. It isn't as black and white as you think. ATP, carbohydrates, and fats don't just "hand over" energy directly. The body undergoes specific metabolic processes to produce energy, so claiming that ATP, carbs, or fats provide energy is technically nonsense. That’s the crude reality.
Here is a decent article that provides some actual information; give it a read so you can learn something. Once you finally grasp how the body utilizes energy, it should become obvious that you don't need glucose during a standard weightlifting session, let alone right before it. Even if you're doing high-intensity training with short breaks—like supersets used by advanced lifters—you don't need glucose because those sessions aren't long enough (roughly 40 minutes). For longer sessions like powerlifting, glucose isn't necessary because you're performing sets of five reps max, so there's no significant glycogen depletion. In a classic bodybuilding-style workout where sets last about 20-25 seconds at roughly 70% of your 1RM, with rests longer than 30 seconds over a 1 to 1.5-hour period, glycogen consumption isn't even a major factor. And I won't write an entire essay here, but I'll just point out that spiking your blood sugar with glucose mid-workout is also a bad move because it can actually trigger fatigue.
Since you’re clearly spending all your time scouring the internet just to come here and lecture me, let me set the record straight: you’ve completely misinterpreted how energy systems work. ATP doesn't just dump energy into your system on command, and there isn't some magical stopwatch that marks exactly when one system switches to another. It’s not a black-and-white binary process. Besides, if you had any grasp of physiology, you’d realize that during a standard set of heavy lifting at the gym, glycogen depletion isn't even the main story. It all comes down to volume and intensity.............. I've had enough of this................
Sam Roberts said:I don't know who's delusional, but whey is just Syrup. If people want to write one thing and mean another, that’s their problem. Most forum debates are just nonsense, myself included. 😁
I get sucked back in too, even though I've told myself a hundred times to stop wasting my breath on these forums. Yet, here I am again. My colleagues in the industry tell me it’s a waste of time—and they're right. There is zero point in trying to educate people who are dead set on believing bodybuilding myths. This is the last word from me on this topic!🙂
Sam Roberts said:The guy is just trying to say that Syrup MEANS whey—meaning whey protein is the protein extracted from the syrup. He didn't mean you drink straight liquid byproduct; he meant the proteins derived from it. Most of you claim to drink whey when you’re actually consuming the proteins found within the whey.
Google Translate is a perfectly fine tool if you aren't trying to write a PhD thesis.
Take a look at the thread. He was responding to someone who kept trying to "correct" a third party who suggested using syrup as a post-workout option by claiming it isn't whey protein. In America, we know the difference between the raw ingredient and the processed supplement, even if a translator treats them as identical. It’s pure nonsense, plain and simple.🙂
We’re talking about whey protein here, not a literal translation of the word... One guy claims you need to drink whey after a workout 😲, while the other is just explaining what whey actually is. It’s a play on words. Using Google Translate clearly isn't the best way to handle this.🙂
jadedrifter2 Look, please stop embarrassing yourself with these so-called "tips" and go pick up a textbook. That’s my one piece of sincere advice. This debate is pointless without actual arguments, and playing semantic games with terminology isn't an argument either. I don't claim to be an expert, but I do know the basics. You need to understand how the body actually burns energy. You should know that energy is divided into three distinct systems—something you clearly don't grasp. That is fundamental knowledge anyone needs just to design their own training program. Furthermore, Syrup isn't some magic whey. You completely misinterpreted that point, yet here you are mocking everyone else.🤦 Apparently, we shouldn't listen to doctors, nutritionists, or strength coaches because they just don't get it. You guys on this forum obviously know better than the professionals.🙂
Even if we set that aside for a moment, doctors tend to fall back on the standard "better safe than sorry" approach—regardless of whether they actually understand the specific topic or (more often than not) have no clue at all. It’s a way to avoid being wrong, even if it means giving useless advice.
-Steve
It is a broad term, sure, but I’m certain they grasp the mechanics of the adrenal glands better than both of us combined. If I wasn't precise enough, he can always go consult an endocrinologist...
briskjackal5 said:A professional would just recommend a standard whey protein isolate.
Furthermore, if he spends all his energy obsessing over every little triviality to the point where he’s hunting for "experts," he’ll never actually get anything done.
-Steve
Maybe he will, maybe he won't, but I know for a fact he doesn't need it unless he's competing in elite athletics. It might just be easier for him, the way it is for me. The question is specifically about the composition of the protein, so he might actually get better advice that way. And when I say "professional," I don't just mean a nutritionist—I mean a doctor, because we're talking about health here. That's exactly why you don't ask these kinds of questions on internet forums.
Joseph Stewart38 said:So, that’s where I stand. I drink it for the same reason I do most things—I heard from more seasoned lifters that this is just how it's done. But honestly? I have my doubts. I'm not entirely convinced that slamming this much sugar is actually good for you. Between the impact on blood glucose levels and what it does to your overall health, I can't help but wonder if we're just trading one problem for another.
I actually went down a rabbit hole studying mass gainer ingredients to see what they’re really packing into these things. What I found was interesting: even though the carbohydrate count is massive in most formulas, the actual sugar content is surprisingly low. It made me wonder exactly what kind of carb sources they’re using if it isn't sugar—and more importantly, if there is a better way for me to swap out glucose in my own shakes.
Look, I already told you—if you're trying to dodge monosaccharides, then chocolate milk is completely off the table. But honestly, you don't even need a post-workout shake. If you're worried about timing, just make your first meal after training a solid, whole-food meal instead. There are plenty of pro bodybuilders out there who never touch a protein supplement; they just stick to a heavy, nutrient-dense meal immediately following their session all year round. I already told you: go talk to a professional. It’s the only sensible way to handle this.
briskjackal5 said:I don't care about titles; I only care about what actually works in practice.
I fail to see any reason why my digestive system—which handles all sorts of protein, fat, and carb combinations just fine—wouldn't handle 100g of sugar after a workout, considering it manages a slice of cheesecake without breaking a sweat.
In my opinion, you're overcomplicating things that are actually quite simple.
Fine.
-Steve
Fair enough. I don't follow a perfect diet myself, but if someone prioritizes their health, I certainly wouldn't advise them to eat what I eat. I care about the advice I give. Food serves a specific function, and let's be real: unless you're on gear, you aren't moving heavy weight without eating a decent burger. It isn't as black and white as people think.
Look, it isn't harmful, and there's no need to go hunting for some "superior" alternative.
-Steve
Are you a doctor or a nutritionist? Because unless you are, you can't claim with certainty that it's safe. I take it myself, but I have my doubts about whether it actually messes with your thyroid or your health in general.
Joseph Stewart38 said:jadedrifter2 finally caught my drift. What’s the move for post-workout nutrition alongside whey? Should I stick with glucose, or are there superior carbs to toss into the shake? If there are, what am I looking at? You guys get that I’m not about to whip up a full sit-down meal—like grilling chicken and boiling rice—the second I step out of the gym...
Nobody told you to go baking pizzas in the middle of the weight room. The point is to prep a solid meal back at your place once you're done. That first real meal after training is non-negotiable................
I’m also sticking to a mix of whey and glucose right after my workouts simply because it’s the path of least resistance. That said, I have my doubts about how healthy that actually is. Is this stuff truly good for you long-term? And more importantly, what are some effective alternatives to glucose?
jadedrifter2 said:For heaven's sake, go read up on pre-workout shakes before you start spouting nonsense like this... Do some basic reading on the Krebs cycle. For the stomach to break down food from a meal, it needs over six hours. That’s why you can't eat for at least eight hours before a colonoscopy, and why you fast for 24 hours before any surgery—that’s the window required for the stomach to process food, the intestines to absorb it, and the large intestine to clear it out. If we're talking heavy meals like red meat or high-fat foods, it takes even longer.
That's why you see tennis players sipping energy drinks during long matches... it isn't because they need it to cause a glucose spike or disorder; you would have to ingest massive amounts for that to happen. Your premise doesn't hold water.
You completely missed the mark. The guy asked what he should drink after his workout, and you started lecturing him on what he should eat for an entire dinner.🤦
White bread, white flour, white rice—you shouldn't be eating those at all. Stick to whole grain versions. Where are you getting these dietary "tips" from anyway?
You clearly take everything too literally.🤦 I'm not suggesting the stomach empties instantly; I'm saying you shouldn't dump glucose into it if you haven't eaten in, say, three hours, otherwise your blood sugar could crash mid-workout—something I've experienced firsthand. Sure, you can consume monosaccharides during training, but it makes zero sense for the standard gym routine most casual lifters follow. Do you actually understand how the body utilizes energy for exertion? How can you use elite athletes like tennis players as an example when their sport bears no comparison to what we're discussing here? Do you even know the actual composition of those sports drinks? They are primarily glucose, followed by fructose, sucrose, maltodextrin, and critical electrolytes. Do you know why tennis players eat bananas during intense matches played in high heat? I mentioned a meal plan because a solid post-workout meal is vital, not just some shake....... Personally, I have issues if I drop 80g of glucose into my system at once; it just doesn't sit right with me. Please, don't try to lecture me on "pre-workout shakes." I work in the supplement industry, and it's obvious you don't have a clue what they actually contain. It's a reality check: nutritionists working with world-class athletes globally recommend standard starches like rice and bread to their clients. Recommending toasted bread is advice from a biotechnology professional who works with top-tier athletes. We aren't talking about cheap white bread; the toasting is done specifically to lower the glycemic index, and freezing it beforehand can help reduce it further. This is for people who can't stand rye bread. My advice to you: stop reading bodybuilding blogs and pick up some actual scientific literature. Maybe then you'll grasp what I'm saying, or perhaps you'll realize you've been misinterpreting the science in your own reading.