Posts by slydriver52

Ethan Smith3 said:Are you one of those people who thinks whey protein is some magic potion that instantly adds 10 pounds of muscle to your frame? 😕

The standard advice remains the same: eat 5-6 smaller meals throughout the day, hit the gym, and if you insist on using supplements, take your whey after your workout.
Beginners can successfully burn fat and build some muscle during their first few months, but it gets significantly harder after that. If you feel you're carrying extra weight, try walking for about 40 minutes to work in the morning instead of taking the bus or just going for a stroll. You could also try High-Intensity Interval Training—just Google it—which is proven to help with fat loss, though it will absolutely wear you out. 😉

All of this information is readily available online, including right here on this forum, if you actually bothered to use a search engine. Read, train, and track your progress, but don't get obsessed with the numbers if things don't change overnight. Just stay consistent and stick to your goal. Cheers. 🙂

Recommending High-Intensity Interval Training to someone who doesn't even understand what supplements are for is bad advice. That kind of training isn't for beginners.

Ryan Carter52 said:They say roughly 1.5 grams per kilo of body weight.
But there’s no magic number; it’s all subjective. Most health sites—think WebMD or similar—suggest about 50-60 grams a day is plenty for the average adult (say, someone 5'7" and 155 lbs).
The catch is you can't just slam those 60 grams in one sitting. You need to spread it out over 5 or 6 even meals to keep a steady stream of protein hitting your system. You can't just gorge in the morning and then run on empty the rest of the day.

Those numbers are for people who lead sedentary lives.
For athletes, the rules change entirely depending on the discipline.

rapidtrucker14 said:Six months ago, everyone was swearing by Optimum Nutrition Elite Whey, but now suddenly nobody’s recommending it anymore...

This "maybe" implies it's somehow unsafe just because it hits a lower price point than the competition. You can't judge the integrity of a product solely by its sticker price.

You’re acting like this skepticism just popped up out of nowhere six months ago. This isn't news; people have been questioning this specific Whey for years...........................

The regulations regarding dietary supplements in the United Kingdom aren't quite the same as they are across the rest of the European Union.😉
As I understand it, brands like Jack3d are sold legally over there. Honestly, I’d love to get my hands on the actual label of that Impact Whey just to see if the math actually adds up.
Besides, their websites list the ingredients as Whey concentrate, but they never explicitly state if it's WPC80. That leaves room for doubt—it could easily be produced using outdated methods, resulting in a protein content closer to a measly 60%.
When you look at the plastic tub packaging, however, it’s clearly labeled as containing WPC80.

rapidtrucker14 said:Yeah, right. Like I’m going to drive all the way out to rural Nebraska just to pick up some whey protein.. 🙄 As if fuel were free and plentiful..

I’ve also had people tell me to steer clear of Optimum Nutrition, and honestly, I don't know anyone who actually swears by it.. so for now, I'm sticking with MusclePharm...

That was sarcasm......
You specifically said you buy whatever is cheapest..................................

rapidtrucker14 said:I shouldn't have to dig through the entire thread from the beginning... the topic is protein, and I already laid out my take on it.🙂

Fine by me.
Then just head over to Toledo and grab some Scitec Nutrition; you can pick it up cheaper than Impact Whey there.

James Rogers53 said:http://www.ebay.com/fitness-equipment-listing-example

That works out to $37/lb.

It’s not 250, it’s 275, so if you grab 5 lbs, you’re looking at $10 per pound. And honestly, whether it tastes good or not is irrelevant to me—one of the best things about unflavored stuff is that there aren't any extra sweeteners involved!

Be my guest and keep drinking those branded blends. Just a heads-up: if you buy 100% pure isolate from an importer, a 2.5 lb bag at GNC costs $113.

So, if you want to stop worrying about the quality of the isolate percentage, just get this and the dilemma disappears.

I have much better things to do than argue on a forum, but it's clear you don't really understand how this business works. You still haven't pointed out where the label on that Impact Whey shows the actual composition; if pure isolate is actually that expensive, then you should be able to see exactly what kind of low-grade product they're peddling.
We discuss flavor because flavored versions carry a premium, while unflavored stuff is a niche market. If you prefer unflavored, fine—that’s your preference, not a universal truth for everyone using protein. This discussion is strictly about 2.5 lb packs, not bulk sizes, which is exactly what Gemma realized, yet you keep pivoting back to something completely unrelated to my point.
If you're buying a 2.5 lb pack, the unflavored price is $100, whereas flavored goes for 340. Bulk sizing is a different beast entirely; anyone who understands retail knows larger quantities mean lower unit costs. For example, you can find a 10 lb tub of Ultimate Nutrition whey in flavored at a local wholesaler for $198, while a 10 lb bag of Impact Whey flavored might go for 620 in Washington, D.C. Bulk is more cost-effective and favors companies like GNC, but most people don't need massive tubs. Most consumers are smart enough to realize they won't be slamming protein shakes all day long, so buying 10 lbs at once feels like a waste when you're trying to avoid letting it sit around for months. Furthermore, you still haven't shown me anyone selling 2.5 lb bags of Impact Whey at the price you're claiming. From what I can see, this seller only stocks the 10 lb bags.

rapidtrucker14 said:As a casual gym-goer, I only use whey protein as a post-workout meal...

So I just grab the cheapest stuff on the shelf. It’s my logic that I won't see any better gains by dropping a fortune on some premium, top-shelf whey.

For crying out loud, go back and actually read the thread from the start before posting nonsense like this.

Gemma already laid out almost everything you need to know, but apparently, some people here struggle with basic reading comprehension.

Jamie Rivera70 said:I haven't combed through everything here, so I'll just keep this brief.

Myprotein Impact Whey unflavored, 5 kg bag $167.
The flavored 5 kg version $200.

Some guy from an American fitness forum is selling it.

As for the label, they claim:

Myprotein/30g
Energy 118.0cal
Energy 497.0kJ
Protein (dry basis) 24.6g (82%)
Protein (as-is) 23.6g (78.6%)
Fat 2.1g (7%)
Carbohydrates 1.8g (6%)

You're jumping into the fray without actually following the discussion from the start.
We're talking about a 5 kg tub, not 2.5 kg, and it’s the unflavored kind. What's the price on the flavored one? And more importantly, is that info printed directly on the bag, or are you just reading their website? As far as I know, they didn't used to print the full nutritional breakdown on the packaging itself.

James Rogers53 said:Yeah, they do. It covers more than half the bag.

I don't know how to make that any clearer for you.

Regulations in the EU are significantly tighter than what we deal with here, and about 20 times stricter than in the USA, where brands like Optimum Nutrition are actually manufactured.

As for the cost, you’re just talking nonsense. Make up your mind: are you looking at retail prices or grey-market imports? Either way, the value proposition favors Myprotein.

If you're looking at imports, here’s the breakdown:

2.5 kg of Impact Whey - $83

2.28 kg of Optimum Nutrition - 330-$117

The difference is massive!

And since you want to talk about chest gains, keep in mind that Optimum Nutrition, Dymatize, and others using a blend of concentrate, isolate, and hydrolysate don't disclose the exact ratios (it's a trade secret 😂). They could easily toss in a single grain of isolate and market it as a "premium" product, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.

Please, do me a favor and drop a link to whoever is selling 2.5kg of Impact Whey for $83.
For your information—since you clearly aren't well-informed—Optimum Nutrition also has production in the EU because the brand owner also owns the BSN brand out of Ireland.
So, is the powder composition explicitly listed on the label? Fine, take a photo of the bag and post it on the forum for me. Can you handle that?
Sure, manufacturers can pull those stunts, but you can tell by the declaration. WPC80 averages around 75% protein content; if it's blended with isolate, that percentage climbs. You can also judge by solubility—you can tell if it's pure WPC80 or if there's a trace amount of isolate present. Besides, do you honestly think Myprotein doesn't produce an isolate version just like everyone else?
Even Allstar has worse solubility in water because it's strictly WPC80.

James Rogers53 said:Hold on a second. Why are you lying? Myprotein provides a full label just like any other product, plus they submit their stuff to independent labs for testing. Here in the States, the Dymatize and Muscletech whey prices sit around $153 in local shops. If you buy it in Canada, you’ll pay $110, while Myprotein runs about $73.

And as for that supposedly top-tier Dymatize with its "official certification"—independent studies show it performs almost as poorly as a mass gainer. We're talking roughly 60% protein per tub (and only 1% of that is isolate). Not to mention most of that protein is derived from soy. Here is your proof:

http://img40.imageshack.us/img40/608...7200812031.jpg

It looks like you're still in that phase where you think sipping on whey is going to turn you into a bodybuilder, especially if you're clinging to those "premium branded" names. I know it means nothing to you, but you are living in a fantasy land.

Don't get mad, but you clearly don't have a clue what you're talking about. You posted an analysis that's nine years old and was conducted in Italy, if I recall correctly, though I'll concede that Dymatize is a bit sketchy. Now, why don't you show me some actual analyses for Myprotein—not their own marketing fluff, but third-party tests paid for by regular people, much like this Dymatize one? And tell me, where on an Impact Whey bag does it list the powder composition? By law, every product has to disclose its ingredients, doesn't it?
Does the Impact Whey bag actually list it or not? In the US, you can find whey listed on classified ads, and you'll see $110 under those ads; the procurement method is identical to how you get your Impact Whey. Both are bought through online listings. Your comparison to retail stores is flawed because you aren't walking into a shop to buy this stuff here; you're buying it via online ads just like everyone else.
Here is the base price for Impact Whey, and then you have to factor in the $4.95 shipping fee. It has to be delivered to a home address, if I'm not mistaken, since they don't want to deal with the competition (like the Canadian postal service). Shipping is handled via FedEx, and as far as I know, Myprotein doesn't ship directly to the US. So, when you account for the transport to Canada—assuming you have a contact there and you're splitting the cost—the total comes out to about $100, provided you go with a neutral flavor. If you want something like chocolate, the total hits about $113.
The current average exchange rate for the pound is $3.00
. That's assuming you were buying directly from their webstore, but you're buying through ads where the unflavored version is $100 and the flavored version is 340, which is cheaper than what you'll find on general classifieds. Essentially, it costs you the same as ordering directly, with the minor inconvenience of needing a connection in Canada.

http://www.myprotein.com/uk/products...t-whey-protein

Regards!

James Rogers53 said:I get it, but you clearly don't.

If concentrate is cheaper than a "blend," just tell people the truth: they aren't gaining any extra muscle by paying more, so they might as well save their money.

The issue isn't about savings; it's the fact that Myprotein makes their margins by selling cheap raw materials at an inflated markup. I have zero intention of handing them my money. I’d much rather buy a blend of isolate and concentrate, which is what most major brands do these days anyway. Isolate is objectively superior—higher protein percentage, lower carbs and fats, and significantly less "filler" compared to concentrate.
Don't act like there isn't a massive price gap between isolate and concentrate; I'll gladly pay a premium for a manufacturer that actually invests in the quality of their product.
Look, if I can get a higher-quality product for nearly the same amount of cash, I'm choosing Optimum Nutrition, Twinlab, and the rest.
The price for Impact Whey is roughly $113 for a 2.5kg tub of flavored powder with no clear label breakdown.
Meanwhile, the Dymatize price and Muscletech price sit around $110 for 2.3kg of flavored powder that actually includes a full nutritional label on the packaging.

James Rogers53 said:I ask you a direct question, and you just pivot to whatever suits your argument. 😕

The price per pound for Impact Whey is $33.
The price per pound for Optimum Nutrition is $52.

We’re talking about black market prices here, and if we were looking at legitimate retail, the gap would be even wider.

Now, tell me: am I actually going to see a 5% boost in results if I switch from an Optimum Nutrition blend—where they don't even disclose the isolate percentage—to a pure concentrate from Myprotein (which provides full transparency, lab analyses, and ingredient sourcing right on their site via independent testing)?

Of course not. And even if there were a difference, the average gym rat wouldn't notice. The real difference is how much money stays in your pocket.

I am talking about cost-effectiveness, not muscle gains!
If you're picking up 5.5 lbs of Impact Whey for $83 (as you claimed), then Myprotein is the better deal. But if you're paying $340-$17 based on those ads, then paying that much for basic concentrate isn't exactly a steal.
Do you get it now?

James Rogers53 said:Fine, let’s get down to brass tacks then. What does it actually matter whether you're drinking a protein concentrate or an isolate if you're just a recreational lifter? Think of it like fuel for a car. If you're driving a standard sedan around town, you don't need high-octane racing fuel to get to the grocery store; regular unleaded works just fine. But if you're piloting a Formula 1 car, that cheap fuel is going to cause problems. For the average person hitting the gym a few times a week, protein concentrate is usually more than enough. It’s cost-effective and gets the job done. Isolate is essentially "refined" protein—it's been filtered more heavily to strip out almost all the fats and lactose. This makes it faster-absorbing and easier on the stomach if you have issues with dairy. If you aren't training like an Olympic athlete or dealing with a sensitive gut, you're often just paying a premium for extra processing. You're paying for purity when you really just need protein. Unless you're constantly bloating or trying to shave every single calorie off your macros, the difference is negligible. Pick what fits your budget and your digestion, and stop overthinking it.

Is a five-minute difference in absorption really worth debating? That’s the question.
Paying an 80-100% markup for something like that isn't just bad math—it's pure snobbery. It’s completely unnecessary.

I think you’ve got your wires crossed.
Let’s be clear: we aren't talking about a pure isolate here. This is a blend.
Why on earth would I pay extra for some flavored concentrate from Myprotein? $113 Why pay extra for 2.5 kg sitting in a flimsy bag when you can get a high-quality blend of concentrate and isolate from a reputable brand for the exact same price? You'd be getting a slightly smaller amount—just under 2.5 kg—but it comes in a sturdy plastic tub complete with a scoop. It’s basic math: why settle for less value and worse packaging?
In that scenario, Myprotein is overpriced. You have to account for the fact that the global market price for concentrate versus isolate isn't a level playing field. Isolate is significantly more expensive at the raw material stage, which naturally drives up the final price tag depending on whether you're buying a pure isolate or just a blend.
As far as I know, Impact Whey comes in packaging that lacks any actual labeling. If you want to see the ingredients, you're forced to check their website.

They’re bold, sure, but they have every right to be. Like she pointed out, they’re playing in a massive market of 300 million people. They care about the former Yugoslav territories, obviously, but they aren't going to go under just because someone loses a couple of bucks.
For them, this is peanuts, and I’m with the people above on this one.
You should’ve played it smarter and grabbed the second package if the math made sense at the time.
The reality is that dealing with us here in America causes them the most logistical headaches regarding orders, but that isn't personal—it's strictly a matter of border issues and federal regulations.

Ryan Carter52 said:What about this one?

They claim it's 100% whey isolate, but how much weight can you actually give that label?

On paper, the ingredients look fine, but the price makes me extremely skeptical. If that were truly high-quality powder like the label claims, 4kg of isolate wouldn't be selling for $250 instead of $500. I once picked up some Scitec whey—just standard concentrate—and it was a disaster. The taste was sickeningly sweet and it clumped like crazy when trying to mix it.
My advice? Steer clear of that brand entirely.
Stick to the heavy hitters: Optimum Nutrition, Twinlab Whey Fusion, Ultimate Nutrition Prostar, Olimp Whey 100%, Dymatize ISO100, EAS, Cytosport, Muscletech Hardcore, Gaspari Myofusion, BSN Syntha-6, or Champion Nutrition.
Those are the reliable brands we have access to here in the States.

The fault lies with their system—specifically this new webshop they rolled out.
They’ve always had this arrogant streak because they know they dominate the market in Austria, and they probably have some of the lowest prices in the entire UN. But let’s be real: doing business with Americans is vital to them, even if they won't admit it. I know this for a fact because I track their inventory constantly; you can actually see them pivoting. Lately, they’ve been losing significant market share due to that same arrogance and hiking their prices, so now they're forced to slash them back down. We're talking about a massive international market where they move serious cash. It smells like a classic offshore operation with an address in England, likely designed to dodge taxes while leaving product declarations out of the equation. I’m no forensic accountant, so I can’t dive into the gritty details, but there’s definitely a catch behind those "too good to be true" prices. Now they’ve finally returned to their old pricing, and word on the street is that even the CEO is a total jerk (that’s just hearsay, though).

James Rogers53 said:WTF?
😕

Are you actually reading this with your eyes, or are you trying to learn Morse code by staring at the power button? Because that’s the only thing on your screen that seems to be working.

It looks like a lot of you have latched onto Impact Whey because the price point is decent, but most people don't actually understand why it's so cheap.
In today's market, it's rare to find a manufacturer offering pure concentrate. Take Allstars, for example—I've tried it, and based on how poorly it dissolves, it's obvious there's zero isolate in there. It's the exact same story with Myprotein's Impact Whey.

James Rogers53 said:Does anyone have a contact number for the guy selling Myprotein products?

I used to order from him regularly, but I never actually saved his number because he just had an ad posted on Craigslist. Now, the listing is gone and I can't track him down.🙂

The reason Myprotein Impact Whey is cheaper is simple: it’s a straight concentrate. It's a basic formula, nothing more.

Do me some favors and grab a calculator. If you add 8.5% to 41.47, you'll find exactly what the total price looks like including tax.
I was under the impression you hadn't ordered supplements from bodybuilding.com yet. Next time, try placing an order for something around $35 or $40 just to see if you get lucky enough to dodge customs fees and sales tax. Besides, that $40 includes shipping, which definitely isn't cheap for whatever gear you picked up, but even then, ordering from them still makes sense.